It is also worth noting for deployment purposes in package management
systems, that it is important that all the build tools necessary have
to be in the distribution in order for something to be accepted into
the distribution.
So for example Make is acceptable, but Reggae (at least currently)
On Wed, 2017-06-21 at 14:48 +, jmh530 via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>
[…]
> This is what I was thinking: start with a simple project, show
> how you can build it with dub or with reggae, then show a
> slightly more complicated project that dub cannot handle well and
> show how you can use
On Wed, 2017-06-21 at 14:11 +, Atila Neves via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> […]
>
> I'm not the best at documentation. Funnily enough, I made an
> effort with reggae, which might just show how bad I am at this.
Hopefully the era of programmers boasting how crap they are at
documentation is over.
On Tue, 2017-06-20 at 15:06 -0400, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
> […]
>
> I'm convinced a big part of that is because DUB is ubiquitous and
> incredibly helpful in the D world for package management, but plays
> very
> poorly with any build system that isn't DUB's
On Wednesday, 21 June 2017 at 14:11:58 UTC, Atila Neves wrote:
I'm not the best at documentation. Funnily enough, I made an
effort with reggae, which might just show how bad I am at this.
Ha, well maybe ask one of the users then?
There's not much to compare/constrast - dub is a package
On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 at 19:38:14 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 at 19:06:05 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) wrote:
On 06/19/2017 04:06 AM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
Reggae is D's pitch in the CMake and Meson class of
meta-build tools.
Why aren't all the D
On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 at 21:26:02 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Monday, June 19, 2017 1:45:27 PM MDT meppl via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
On Monday, 19 June 2017 at 09:19:32 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
> On Friday, 16 June 2017 at 06:30:01 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
>> A direct question to Walter and
On Monday, June 19, 2017 1:45:27 PM MDT meppl via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Monday, 19 June 2017 at 09:19:32 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
> > On Friday, 16 June 2017 at 06:30:01 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> >> A direct question to Walter and Andrei really.
> >>
> >> If someone, let us say Russel Winder,
On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 at 19:06:05 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) wrote:
On 06/19/2017 04:06 AM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
Reggae is D's pitch in the CMake and Meson class of meta-build
tools.
Why aren't all the D compiler and tool developments using it?
I'm convinced a big
On 06/19/2017 04:06 AM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
Reggae is D's pitch in the CMake and Meson class of meta-build tools.
Why aren't all the D compiler and tool developments using it?
I'm convinced a big part of that is because DUB is ubiquitous and
incredibly helpful in the D
On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 at 09:08:32 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev
wrote:
On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 at 07:24:26 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
[...]
Yep; same as what was done with ddmd.
[...]
Sorry Russell, I thought I was replying to Atila :) But you are
of course welcome on IRC. The D channel is
On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 at 07:24:26 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
The usual approach is to leave the old system in place, put the
new system in place, and run in parallel. Then people can
remove their dependency on the old system over time. Then you
deprecate the old system, and then remove it.
On Mon, 2017-06-19 at 14:52 +, Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
>
[…]
> We will likely need to continue providing shim makefiles which
> invoke the replacement build system for the foreseeable future.
> The big problem here is that all make targets are essentially
> part of
On Monday, 19 June 2017 at 14:15:22 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Mon, 2017-06-19 at 13:44 +, Vladimir Panteleev via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
[…]
DMD is insufficient, and is not the hardest makefile to port.
Any serious proposal would need to cover all core repositories
- dmd, druntime,
On Mon, 2017-06-19 at 13:44 +, Atila Neves via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>
[…]
> I replicated the _entirety_ [1] of Phobos's posix.mak (that
> Makefile does a _lot_) with reggae and that never happened, so I
> guess the answer is "vanishingly small".
>
In the end as long as the D front end,
On 16/06/2017 7:30 AM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
A direct question to Walter and Andrei really.
If someone, let us say Russel Winder, create a CMake/Ninja and/or
Meson/Ninja build for DMD, is there any chance of it being allowed to
replace the Make system?
If the answer is no,
On Mon, 2017-06-19 at 13:44 +, Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> […]
>
> DMD is insufficient, and is not the hardest makefile to port. Any
> serious proposal would need to cover all core repositories - dmd,
> druntime, phobos, tools, and dlang.org. We would need to evaluate
>
On Monday, 19 June 2017 at 09:19:32 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
On Friday, 16 June 2017 at 06:30:01 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
A direct question to Walter and Andrei really.
If someone, let us say Russel Winder, create a CMake/Ninja
and/or Meson/Ninja build for DMD, is there any chance of it
On Monday, 19 June 2017 at 13:38:52 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Mon, 2017-06-19 at 09:53 +, Vladimir Panteleev via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
[…]
If you can present a replacement build infrastructure for D
which satisfies our needs and shows dramatic, measurable
improvements, I (and other
On Monday, 19 June 2017 at 13:38:52 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Mon, 2017-06-19 at 09:53 +, Vladimir Panteleev via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
[…]
If you can present a replacement build infrastructure for D
which satisfies our needs and shows dramatic, measurable
improvements, I (and other
On Mon, 2017-06-19 at 09:53 +, Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
>
> […]
> If you can present a replacement build infrastructure for D which
> satisfies our needs and shows dramatic, measurable improvements,
> I (and other contributors, I don't doubt) will help push it
>
On Sunday, 18 June 2017 at 01:20:21 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
On Saturday, 17 June 2017 at 21:49:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
[...]
Martin and Sebastian can correct me if I'm wrong, but unless I
am, Martin, Sebastian, and myself spend a scary amount of time
wrestling with makefiles. We
On Monday, 19 June 2017 at 08:06:54 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Sat, 2017-06-17 at 12:20 -0700, Walter Bright via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
[…]
It's highly unlikely it would be accepted:
So it is highly unlikely I am going to offer to do any work on
it then.
If you can present a replacement
On 2017-06-19 11:19, Dejan Lekic wrote:
Why replacing a rock-stable Make with build-system-X that most likely
adds another dependency.
Where did you get the rock-stable part from?
http://forum.dlang.org/post/euslavyxzcaclrpia...@forum.dlang.org
--
/Jacob Carlborg
On Friday, 16 June 2017 at 06:30:01 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
A direct question to Walter and Andrei really.
If someone, let us say Russel Winder, create a CMake/Ninja
and/or Meson/Ninja build for DMD, is there any chance of it
being allowed to replace the Make system?
If the answer is no,
On Sun, 2017-06-18 at 02:31 -0700, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> […]
>
> The biggest issue with understanding the makefiles is a near total
> lack of any
> helpful comments. I stepped up a bit with this:
Wrong diagnosis. The biggest issue with the makefiles is that they are
hand
On Sat, 2017-06-17 at 12:20 -0700, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
>
[…]
> It's highly unlikely it would be accepted:
So it is highly unlikely I am going to offer to do any work on it then.
I am extremely disappointed in the attitude displayed by your reply, it
shows a lack of interest
On Saturday, 17 June 2017 at 19:20:54 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/15/2017 11:30 PM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
A direct question to Walter and Andrei really.
If someone, let us say Russel Winder, create a CMake/Ninja
and/or
Meson/Ninja build for DMD, is there any chance of it
On 6/17/2017 6:20 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
On Saturday, 17 June 2017 at 21:49:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
It's not quite the same. I spend 99.99% of my time programming working with
code, not makefiles.
Martin and Sebastian can correct me if I'm wrong, but unless I am, Martin,
On Saturday, 17 June 2017 at 21:49:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
It's not quite the same. I spend 99.99% of my time programming
working with code, not makefiles.
Martin and Sebastian can correct me if I'm wrong, but unless I
am, Martin, Sebastian, and myself spend a scary amount of time
On Saturday, 17 June 2017 at 21:49:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/17/2017 1:25 PM, Joakim wrote:
A lot of this is simply saying Make is popular so we should
just stick with it: I hate that mindset. It is the same
mindset D has to combat with C or C++, and that was exhibited
when you spoke
On Saturday, 17 June 2017 at 21:49:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
It's not quite the same. I spend 99.99% of my time programming
working with code, not makefiles.
I'd say somewhere around 10% of the time I've spent on D pull
requests has been wasted because of the makefiles. It is a
barrier to
On 6/17/2017 1:25 PM, Joakim wrote:
A lot of this is simply saying Make is popular so we should just stick with it:
I hate that mindset. It is the same mindset D has to combat with C or C++, and
that was exhibited when you spoke against the SDL format for dub.
It's not quite the same. I
On Saturday, 17 June 2017 at 19:20:54 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/15/2017 11:30 PM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
A direct question to Walter and Andrei really.
If someone, let us say Russel Winder, create a CMake/Ninja
and/or
Meson/Ninja build for DMD, is there any chance of it
On 6/15/2017 11:30 PM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
A direct question to Walter and Andrei really.
If someone, let us say Russel Winder, create a CMake/Ninja and/or
Meson/Ninja build for DMD, is there any chance of it being allowed to
replace the Make system?
If the answer is no,
On Sat, 2017-06-17 at 00:07 +0200, Mike Wey via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On 06/16/2017 03:16 PM, Joakim wrote:
> > As for Meson, never dealt with it much, do you have an example for
> > D
> > code we can look at?
>
> The meson files for tilix might be a good example:
>
On Fri, 2017-06-16 at 19:20 +, Cym13 via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Friday, 16 June 2017 at 13:16:06 UTC, Joakim wrote:
> > One issue that came up is that whatever we replace Make with
> > would have to generate Makefiles as a fallback, back in the
> > previous thread about using Atila's
On 06/16/2017 03:16 PM, Joakim wrote:
As for Meson, never dealt with it much, do you have an example for D
code we can look at?
The meson files for tilix might be a good example:
https://github.com/gnunn1/tilix/tree/master/experimental/meson
--
Mike Wey
On Friday, 16 June 2017 at 13:16:06 UTC, Joakim wrote:
One issue that came up is that whatever we replace Make with
would have to generate Makefiles as a fallback, back in the
previous thread about using Atila's build system, Reggae.
I very much support this idea, Reggae is great. Also it
Also looks good https://github.com/jasonwhite/button
On Friday, 16 June 2017 at 06:30:01 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
A direct question to Walter and Andrei really.
While they would ultimately decide this, it's more likely that
something championed by the D contributors will get in.
If someone, let us say Russel Winder, create a CMake/Ninja
On Friday, 16 June 2017 at 07:00:10 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2017-06-16 08:30, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
A direct question to Walter and Andrei really.
If someone, let us say Russel Winder, create a CMake/Ninja
and/or
Meson/Ninja build for DMD, is there any chance of it
On Friday, 16 June 2017 at 07:00:10 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2017-06-16 08:30, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
A direct question to Walter and Andrei really.
If someone, let us say Russel Winder, create a CMake/Ninja
and/or
Meson/Ninja build for DMD, is there any chance of it
On Friday, 16 June 2017 at 07:00:10 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2017-06-16 08:30, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
A direct question to Walter and Andrei really.
If someone, let us say Russel Winder, create a CMake/Ninja
and/or
Meson/Ninja build for DMD, is there any chance of it
On 2017-06-16 08:30, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
A direct question to Walter and Andrei really.
If someone, let us say Russel Winder, create a CMake/Ninja and/or
Meson/Ninja build for DMD, is there any chance of it being allowed to
replace the Make system?
If the answer is no, then
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