Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 17:13:23 + krzaq via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: Negligence to do so is, to me, either extreme laziness or lack of respect to the reader. neither, in fact. i believe that those rules are useless and senseless now, so it's more like a one man crusade. i know that virtually nobody will join me in my fight, but it's not enough to stop me. ;-) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 06:00:31 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: i believe that those rules are useless and senseless now, so it's more like a one man crusade. It's not a one man's crusade, it affects legibility and creates dissonance within the text. It also appears unprofessional and uneducated. I gave up on reading the article and started skimming after the small introductory paragraph got it wrong 7 times.
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 07:55:37 UTC, safety0ff wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 06:00:31 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: i believe that those rules are useless and senseless now, so it's more like a one man crusade. It's not a one man's crusade, it affects legibility and creates dissonance within the text. It also appears unprofessional and uneducated. I gave up on reading the article and started skimming after the small introductory paragraph got it wrong 7 times. Stop being such a grammar nazi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovi7uQbtKas
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 07:55:36 + safety0ff via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: It also appears unprofessional and uneducated. so i am. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 07:59:16 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 07:55:37 UTC, safety0ff wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 06:00:31 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: i believe that those rules are useless and senseless now, so it's more like a one man crusade. It's not a one man's crusade, it affects legibility and creates dissonance within the text. It also appears unprofessional and uneducated. I gave up on reading the article and started skimming after the small introductory paragraph got it wrong 7 times. Stop being such a grammar nazi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovi7uQbtKas Nitpick: this is about orthography, not grammar ;-)
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 07:55:37 UTC, safety0ff wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 06:00:31 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: i believe that those rules are useless and senseless now, so it's more like a one man crusade. It's not a one man's crusade, it affects legibility and creates dissonance within the text. It also appears unprofessional and uneducated. I gave up on reading the article and started skimming after the small introductory paragraph got it wrong 7 times. ƃuıןןǝds-uɐɔıɹǝɯɐ-puɐ-ɥsıʇıɹq\spɹoʍ\ɯoɔ˙sǝıɹɐuoıʇɔıppɹoɟxo˙ʍʍʍ\\:dʇʇɥ :[Ɩ] uoıʇɐnʇɔund ou puɐ ʎןuo ǝsɐɔ-ɹǝʍoן uı uo ʍou ɯoɹɟ ƃuıɥʇʎɹǝʌǝ ƃuıʇıɹʍ ʇɹɐʇs ʇɥƃıɯ ı ˙ǝןdɯıs 'ǝʇıɹʍ ı ƃuıɥʇʎuɐ pɐǝɹ ʇ,uop 'ʇı ǝʞıן ʇ,uop noʎ ɟI ˙uoısıɔǝp snoıɔuoɔ ɐ ɟo ǝsnɐɔǝq op ı ʎɐʍ ǝɥʇ ǝʇıɹʍ I ˙ɹoɥʇnɐ pǝɥsıןqnd ɐ 'ןןɐ ɹǝʇɟɐ 'ɯɐ ı 'ǝɔuɐɹouƃı ɟo ʇno op ı ʎɐʍ ǝɥʇ ǝʇıɹʍ ʇ,uop I [Ɩ] ¡ƃuoɹʍ ʎןǝʇǝןdɯoɔ ʇןǝds ƃuıǝq spɹoʍ ɟo ʇunoɯɐ snoɯɹouǝ uɐ ɥʇıʍ sʇɔǝןɐıp ɥsıןƃuƎ ןןɐ ɟo ʇsɹoʍ ǝʇnןosqɐ ǝɥʇ sı ɥsıןƃuƎ uɐɔıɹǝɯ∀ ¡sɔıuoqƎ ǝʇoɹʍ puɐ ǝʞods oɥʍ ǝuoǝɯos ʇɔǝɹɹoɔ noʎ ǝǝs oʇ ǝʌoן pןnoʍ I ˙puıɥǝq ʇɟǝן ƃuıǝq ǝɹɐ sɯoıpı ןɐuoıʇıpɐɹʇ ʎuɐɯ ʇǝuɹǝʇuı ǝɥʇ ɟo ʇuǝʌpɐ ǝɥʇ ɥʇıM ˙suoıʇɐıɹɐʌ ʇuǝɹǝɟɟıp ǝʌɐɥ ɯopƃuı⋊ pǝʇıu∩ ǝɥʇ dn ǝʞɐɯ ʇɐɥʇ sǝıɹʇunoɔ ɹnoɟ ǝɥʇ uǝʌƎ ˙sʇsıxǝ ʇı ǝɹǝɥʍ ǝɹǝɥʍʎɹǝʌǝ ǝƃɐnƃuɐן ƃuıƃuɐɥɔ 'ƃuıʍoɹƃ ɐ sı ɥsıןƃuƎ puɐ 'ʇı ɟo uoısɹǝʌ ǝןʇʇıן uʍo ɹıǝɥʇ ǝʌɐɥ pןɹoʍ ǝɥʇ ɟo sʇɹɐd ʎuɐɯ ǝsnɐɔǝq sı ɥsıןƃuƎ ɹoɟ ǝǝʇʇıɯɯoɔ spɹɐpuɐʇs ou sı ǝɹǝɥʇ uosɐǝɹ ǝɥ⊥ ˙ǝƃɐnƃuɐן uʍo ɹıǝɥʇ ǝʇıɹʍ ɹo ʞɐǝds pןnoɥs ʎǝɥʇ ʍoɥ uo ǝןdoǝd ɥsıןƃuƎ ʇɔǝɹɹoɔ oʇ ƃuıʎɹʇ sʎɐʍןɐ ǝɹɐ ǝןdoǝd ɥsıןƃuƎ-uou ʇɐɥʇ snoıɹɐןıɥ ʇı puıɟ sʎɐʍןɐ I ˙ǝuo pǝʇɐɔnpǝun ǝɥʇ ǝɹɐ noʎ ʇɐɥʇ ɟo ǝsnɐɔǝq ʇı puɐʇsɹǝpun ʇ,uɐɔ noʎ ɟI ¡ʇxǝʇ ǝןoɥʍ ǝɥʇ uı s,ı ǝsɐɔ-ɹǝʍoן uǝ⊥ ˙*uǝʇ* sɐɥ ǝןɔıʇɹɐ ǝɹıʇuǝ ǝɥʇ 'uǝʌǝs ʇou 's,ı ǝsɐɔ-ɹǝʍoן *ǝʌıɟ* sɐɥ ɥdɐɹƃɐɹɐd ʎɹoʇɔnpoɹʇuı ǝɥ⊥
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 07:59:16 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: Stop being such a grammar nazi. I didn't bring it up because I felt like being pedantic, I brought it up as a suggestion to make it more pleasant to read. Since you've already been labelled as a pedant, perhaps you should learn the difference between pedantry and Nazism. On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 09:38:29 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: ˙ǝuo pǝʇɐɔnpǝun ǝɥʇ ǝɹɐ noʎ ʇɐɥʇ ɟo ǝsnɐɔǝq ʇı puɐʇsɹǝpun ʇ,uɐɔ noʎ ɟI ¡ʇxǝʇ ǝןoɥʍ ǝɥʇ uı s,ı ǝsɐɔ-ɹǝʍoן uǝ⊥ ˙*uǝʇ* sɐɥ ǝןɔıʇɹɐ ǝɹıʇuǝ ǝɥʇ 'uǝʌǝs ʇou 's,ı ǝsɐɔ-ɹǝʍoן *ǝʌıɟ* sɐɥ ɥdɐɹƃɐɹɐd ʎɹoʇɔnpoɹʇuı ǝɥ⊥ Firstly: I’ve been using D for a number of years and i 1 am constantly surprised by the hidden treasure i 2 find in the standard library. I guess the reason for my surprise is that i’ve 3 never exhaustively read the entire library documentation, i 4 only skim it for what’s needed at any given time. I’ve promised myself i 5 will read it thoroughly one day but until then i’ll 6 enjoy these little discoveries. This article highlights a few of these hidden treasures which i 7 Secondly, as I've already stated, it's not a matter of it being incomprehensible. ˙ǝןdɯıs 'ǝʇıɹʍ ı ƃuıɥʇʎuɐ pɐǝɹ ʇ,uop 'ʇı ǝʞıן ʇ,uop noʎ ɟI In that case, don't complain when the opinions you've written are dismissed. uoıʇɐnʇɔund ou puɐ ʎןuo ǝsɐɔ-ɹǝʍoן uı uo ʍou ɯoɹɟ ƃuıɥʇʎɹǝʌǝ ƃuıʇıɹʍ ʇɹɐʇs ʇɥƃıɯ ı The second coming of e e cummings!
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 06:00:31 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 17:13:23 + krzaq via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: Negligence to do so is, to me, either extreme laziness or lack of respect to the reader. neither, in fact. i believe that those rules are useless and senseless now, so it's more like a one man crusade. i know that virtually nobody will join me in my fight, but it's not enough to stop me. ;-) i will join you in your fight. i do not use upper case letters when writing both in english and turkish. i find these rules utterly useless as well.
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On 8/30/2014 5:38 AM, Gary Willoughby wrote: ˙ǝƃɐnƃuɐן uʍo ɹıǝɥʇ ǝʇıɹʍ ɹo ʞɐǝds pןnoɥs ʎǝɥʇ ʍoɥ uo ǝןdoǝd ɥsıןƃuƎ ʇɔǝɹɹoɔ oʇ ƃuıʎɹʇ sʎɐʍןɐ ǝɹɐ ǝןdoǝd ɥsıןƃuƎ-uou ʇɐɥʇ snoıɹɐןıɥ ʇı puıɟ sʎɐʍןɐ I I'm a native English speaker. Uncapitalized I makes a writer come across like a common leet-speak obsessed immature script kiddy. I know you're not one though, which makes it all the more puzzling. Defend it all you want, argue that it doesn't matter...but it still makes yourself look bad. And for what worthwhile benefit? (I think native speakers tend to gloss such things over because they've already seen it so much they've become accustomed to tuning out anyone writing in such styles.) It's not my intent to be insulting here, but the level of insistence on deliberately using and defending such a trivial, and self-defeating, rebelling is just...really??
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 10:44:18 + safety0ff via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 07:59:16 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: Stop being such a grammar nazi. I didn't bring it up because I felt like being pedantic, I brought it up as a suggestion to make it more pleasant to read. Since you've already been labelled as a pedant, perhaps you should learn the difference between pedantry and Nazism. Can we please stop arguing this (and that goes for both sides of this). This discussion is not in the least bit productive. There is no question that failing to capitalize the letter i when it's used as a pronoun is bad English, and there's no way that anyone fluent enough in English to write an article like this is not going to know that. So, clearly, he's doing it on purpose. I agree that bad grammar - especially when it's so blatant like this - detracts from what's being written, and pointing out that it was a problem was fine, but continuing to argue about it serves no purpose. Clearly, he knows that what he's doing is bad grammar, but he's doing it anyway for whatever his personal reasons are. Arguing about it like this isn't helping. It's just increasing the level of contention around here. - Jonathan M Davis
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On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 10:49:33 UTC, Mengu wrote: i will join you in your fight. i do not use upper case letters when writing both in english and turkish. i find these rules utterly useless as well. the funny thing is that there are movements that fight for a revision of written english since it has been frozen for such a long time that the pronunciation is completely out of sync with how it is written, which is a fairly arcane mishmash. the lack of willingness to reform english creates a lot of unnecessary educational problems all over the world. meaning, people have to memorize pronunciation rather than deduce it from the spelling. i find that rather wasteful... (you know you've won a debate when people start to focus on your grammar ;-)
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 11:27:13 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 10:44:18 + safety0ff via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 07:59:16 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: There is no question that failing to capitalize the letter i when it's used as a pronoun is bad English, and there's no way that anyone fluent Actually, IIRC (not native English speaker here), it was once told me that the symbol for I (first person) is a different one, something like a half of circle, but in print we use I for convenience, as it is pronounced the same and it is the most similar too. But, that teacher of mine, in handwriting, always depicted the I like a kind of ].
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 11:19:55 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On 8/30/2014 5:38 AM, Gary Willoughby wrote: ˙ǝƃɐnƃuɐן uʍo ɹıǝɥʇ ǝʇıɹʍ ɹo ʞɐǝds pןnoɥs ʎǝɥʇ ʍoɥ uo ǝןdoǝd ɥsıןƃuƎ ʇɔǝɹɹoɔ oʇ ƃuıʎɹʇ sʎɐʍןɐ ǝɹɐ ǝןdoǝd ɥsıןƃuƎ-uou ʇɐɥʇ snoıɹɐןıɥ ʇı puıɟ sʎɐʍןɐ I I'm a native English speaker. Uncapitalized I makes a writer come across like a common leet-speak obsessed immature script kiddy. I know you're not one though, which makes it all the more puzzling. Defend it all you want, argue that it doesn't matter...but it still makes yourself look bad. And for what worthwhile benefit? (I think native speakers tend to gloss such things over because they've already seen it so much they've become accustomed to tuning out anyone writing in such styles.) It's not my intent to be insulting here, but the level of insistence on deliberately using and defending such a trivial, and self-defeating, rebelling is just...really?? While we're on the subject of capitalization styles we find distracting, I find the German Practice of capitalizing every Noun in a Sentence extremely distracting. I remember reading an older version of Gulliver's Travels that was written in this style, and it was quite annoying.
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
Just a correction: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 10:44:20 UTC, safety0ff wrote: Since you've already been labelled as a pedant, perhaps you should learn the difference between pedantry and Nazism. I meant: Since you've already labelled *me* Anyways.
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 02:11:01 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:18:42 + safety0ff via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: What do you have against capitalizing 'I' ? don't even noticed that until your post. but maybe that is 'cause i'm not using capitals at all... ;-) It annoyed me as well. If you're writing in a language, try to appear literate. I could live with misspelt superfragilisticexpialidocious or even a your/you're mixed by a native speaker, but this rule is very simple and has no exceptions. In fact, you could just do sed -r s/(^|[^[:alnum:]])i($|[^[:alnum:]])/\1I\2/g to have it fixed. How difficult is that?
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 14:17:55 UTC, krzaq wrote: On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 02:11:01 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:18:42 + safety0ff via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: What do you have against capitalizing 'I' ? don't even noticed that until your post. but maybe that is 'cause i'm not using capitals at all... ;-) It annoyed me as well. If you're writing in a language, try to appear literate. I could live with misspelt superfragilisticexpialidocious or even a your/you're mixed by a native speaker, but this rule is very simple and has no exceptions. In fact, you could just do sed -r s/(^|[^[:alnum:]])i($|[^[:alnum:]])/\1I\2/g to have it fixed. How difficult is that? I have been inadvertently too harsh. The lack of capitalized I is very annoying, but at the same time, I read the whole post and would like to thank the author for it.
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:17:53 + krzaq via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: If you're writing in a language, try to appear literate. but what if i can't, for example? i can read (and understand without dictionary, and with jokes too) books of Pratchett, Carrol, Adams, even Tolkien with his ye olde English, but i absolutely can't build correct English sentence by myself. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 16:13:33 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:17:53 + krzaq via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: If you're writing in a language, try to appear literate. but what if i can't, for example? i can read (and understand without dictionary, and with jokes too) books of Pratchett, Carrol, Adams, even Tolkien with his ye olde English, but i absolutely can't build correct English sentence by myself. The fact that you obviously can (sans capital Is, it seems) aside, I'd say it's a good reason to give yourself a pause before writing something for a wider public. The rules that say start every sentence with a capital letter or every I meaning thyself shall be capitalized are really simple to follow and you learn them very early when learning the language. Negligence to do so is, to me, either extreme laziness or lack of respect to the reader. This isn't twitter or a text message, after all, you had to have put some serious thought into writing such a post. Why not put a minute more to make it presentable? That being said, I'm sorry for my poor choice of words, I did not mean them to be as aggressive as they are.
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
It's my blog and i'll do as *i* please.
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After posting this yesterday i've so far had 9,900+ people visit this article (with 96.90% being new visitors). Good exposure for D i think. :)
Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
I've written a new blog post highlighting hidden treasure found in the D standard library. I love finding this stuff so i've shared my latest discoveries hoping to ignite some curiosity out there. I've put it on reddit so vote up! :) http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2etyz1/hidden_treasure_in_the_d_standard_library/
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
Direct link: http://nomad.so/2014/08/hidden-treasure-in-the-d-standard-library/
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Thursday, 28 August 2014 at 16:06:11 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: Direct link: http://nomad.so/2014/08/hidden-treasure-in-the-d-standard-library/ What do you have against capitalizing 'I' ? It's annoying / distracting to read text filled with uncapitalised 'I's.
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:18:42 + safety0ff via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: What do you have against capitalizing 'I' ? don't even noticed that until your post. but maybe that is 'cause i'm not using capitals at all... ;-) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.
On Thursday, 28 August 2014 at 20:41:21 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 8/28/14, 9:06 AM, Gary Willoughby wrote: Direct link: http://nomad.so/2014/08/hidden-treasure-in-the-d-standard-library/ Post is on hackernews' front page as well. Congratulations! -- Andrei Cool! :)
