Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-28 Thread Bill Hicks via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, 28 August 2016 at 07:43:47 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: You've had a couple of worthwhile posts, you're welcome to stay and continue in that vein. Posts with unprofessional behavior, politics, etc., will be simply deleted. D deserved someone better than a person like Andrei, but it

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-28 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/28/2016 3:39 AM, Dicebot wrote: There have never been a single professional or at least constructively fashioned post from that account and tolerating that harms D public image. I have learned not to argue about this but I am very unhappy that you not only allow but encourage both off-topic

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-28 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 27 August 2016 at 20:54:02 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/27/2016 9:04 AM, Dicebot wrote: Please never reply to that person unless you are his other account. Not in an announce threads at least. If the post is reasonably professional, it's ok to. Abusive posts just get deleted.

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-28 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/27/2016 11:58 PM, Bill Hicks wrote: white men There are plenty of other forums for politics. Not this one. You've had a couple of worthwhile posts, you're welcome to stay and continue in that vein. Posts with unprofessional behavior, politics, etc., will be simply deleted.

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-28 Thread Bill Hicks via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 27 August 2016 at 20:47:16 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/27/2016 8:19 AM, Bill Hicks wrote: I believe Andrei's point was that Rust had focused on one problem to the relative exclusion of others, not that memory safety was unimportant. Rust, to its credit, has changed the percept

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-27 Thread Bill Hicks via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 27 August 2016 at 15:34:04 UTC, Anonymouse wrote: On Saturday, 27 August 2016 at 15:19:40 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote: On Saturday, 27 August 2016 at 05:57:25 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: We've never mocked Rust's safety features, although I have posted that they are too complex for D and

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-27 Thread Bill Hicks via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 27 August 2016 at 16:04:34 UTC, Dicebot wrote: On Saturday, 27 August 2016 at 15:34:04 UTC, Anonymouse wrote: ... Please never reply to that person unless you are his other account. Not in an announce threads at least. I ran a quick linguistic analysis and it shows that there i

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-27 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/27/2016 9:04 AM, Dicebot wrote: Please never reply to that person unless you are his other account. Not in an announce threads at least. If the post is reasonably professional, it's ok to. Abusive posts just get deleted.

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-27 Thread Meta via Digitalmars-d-announce
Best to add him to your killfile instead of responding.

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-27 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/27/2016 8:19 AM, Bill Hicks wrote: I believe Andrei's point was that Rust had focused on one problem to the relative exclusion of others, not that memory safety was unimportant. Rust, to its credit, has changed the perception of the importance of memory safety. I bet in a few years we'

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-27 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 27 August 2016 at 15:34:04 UTC, Anonymouse wrote: ... Please never reply to that person unless you are his other account. Not in an announce threads at least.

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-27 Thread Anonymouse via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 27 August 2016 at 15:19:40 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote: On Saturday, 27 August 2016 at 05:57:25 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: We've never mocked Rust's safety features, although I have posted that they are too complex for D and desire a simpler system. "A disharmonic personality. Readi

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-27 Thread Bill Hicks via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 27 August 2016 at 05:57:25 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: We've never mocked Rust's safety features, although I have posted that they are too complex for D and desire a simpler system. "A disharmonic personality. Reading any amount of Rust code evokes the joke 'friends don't let f

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-27 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 27 August 2016 at 06:37:58 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 8/21/16, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: This week I had a tele-meeting with Andrei and Walter regarding the fate of DIP1000 (https://github.com/dlang/DIPs/blob/master/DIPs/DIP1000.md) Trivia question: why is it

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-26 Thread Andrej Mitrovic via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/21/16, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > This week I had a tele-meeting with Andrei and Walter regarding > the fate > of DIP1000 > (https://github.com/dlang/DIPs/blob/master/DIPs/DIP1000.md) Trivia question: why is it named DIP 1000? We've had less than 100 DIPs before https://gith

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-26 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/26/2016 9:53 PM, Bill Hicks wrote: On Wednesday, 24 August 2016 at 15:30:34 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: we want memory safe code w/o the GC. -Martin Rust has had that since day one. Funny how not too long ago D core was mocking Rust, We've never mocked Rust's safety features, although I

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-26 Thread Bill Hicks via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 24 August 2016 at 15:30:34 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: we want memory safe code w/o the GC. -Martin Rust has had that since day one. Funny how not too long ago D core was mocking Rust, but now they're trying to be more like it. I bet in a few years we'll see hygienic macro syst

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-24 Thread Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Tuesday, 23 August 2016 at 18:37:46 UTC, Dicebot wrote: By its design definition DIP process is for approving communitty proposals by Walter/Andrei thus there is no point in pretending they can't ignore the feedback. Only reason it is even processed in the same queue is so that developers ca

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-23 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 08/22/2016 09:44 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: > It would be nice to have the whole picture now, before implementing > DIP1000. Then it's possible to review them together, making sure the end > goal is actual possible to achieve. Now we just have to trust Andrei and > Walter that all features will c

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-23 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 08/22/2016 12:46 AM, John Colvin wrote: > On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 20:01:27 UTC, Dicebot wrote: >> - scope is @safe only > > Why? I might have @system code that could still benefit from scope. Because it can't provide expected guarantees within feature set allowed by @system - it is too pe

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-22 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Monday, 22 August 2016 at 06:44:11 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: It would be nice to have the whole picture now, before implementing DIP1000. It can be reviewed after the spec is inferred from implementation. But yes, it can be unclear how the implementation can affect the review process. Do

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-21 Thread Robert burner Schadek via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Monday, 22 August 2016 at 06:44:11 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: It would be nice to have the whole picture now, before implementing DIP1000. Then it's possible to review them together, making sure the end goal is actual possible to achieve. Now we just have to trust Andrei and Walter that all

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-21 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 2016-08-21 22:01, Dicebot wrote: This week I had a tele-meeting with Andrei and Walter regarding the fate of DIP1000 (https://github.com/dlang/DIPs/blob/master/DIPs/DIP1000.md) and intented way to move forward with it. This is a short summary of the meeting. Approval of DIP1000 --

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-21 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/21/2016 7:01 PM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: Well, if you typically try and restrict your @system code to small parts of your program and use @trusted to turn them into @safe, then the vast majority of your program will be @safe. As I understand it, that's at least how

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-21 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 21:52:59 John Colvin via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 21:46:56 UTC, John Colvin wrote: > > On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 20:01:27 UTC, Dicebot wrote: > >> - scope is @safe only > > > > Why? I might have @system code that could still benefit

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-21 Thread John Colvin via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 21:46:56 UTC, John Colvin wrote: On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 20:01:27 UTC, Dicebot wrote: - scope is @safe only Why? I might have @system code that could still benefit from scope. I guess it would be too restrictive, but I'm just a bit frustrated at having to

Re: On the future of DIP1000

2016-08-21 Thread John Colvin via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 20:01:27 UTC, Dicebot wrote: - scope is @safe only Why? I might have @system code that could still benefit from scope.