On Friday, 8 July 2016 at 18:04:16 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
"Oops, can't let checkedint happen but I can't criticize
without proposing an alternative so forget RCStr and let me
work on that"
...
On 07/08/2016 05:17 AM, Robert burner Schadek wrote:
People would have a go to place
looking
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:55:51 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Folks,
One of the main obstacles I see to the adoption of a language is
its ecosystem. Perhaps the vision should include a structure of
frameworks we would like to see being de
On 2016-07-10 19:09, Robert burner Schadek wrote:
Yes if anybody had access to the trello and would want to use yet
another tool. I think that is unrealistic.
Trello is already used: https://trello.com/dlang
--
/Jacob Carlborg
On Friday, 8 July 2016 at 18:04:16 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
It seems to me six months is a sweet spot. Large companies such
as Google and Facebook also use a six-months horizon because
it's long enough to avoid micromanagement hysteria and short
enough to be verifiable and accountable. Y
On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 19:17:31 +, Eugene wrote:
> On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:55:51 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
>
> is it possible to make a modular D language(and a compiler), so one just
> could release new features of the language with
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:55:51 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
is it possible to make a modular D language(and a compiler), so
one just could release new features of the language without
releasing a new version of a compiler(ldc, etc.), and
On 2016-07-08 20:46:21 +, Walter Bright said:
On 7/8/2016 6:51 AM, Robert M. Münch wrote:
1. Fixing (all) bugs before doing new things: If I look as a CTO, CIO or CEO on
...
I have yet to find any engineering product in any field that doesn't
have open issues. A more practical question i
On 2016-07-08 18:07:39 +, Andrei Alexandrescu said:
On 07/08/2016 09:51 AM, Robert M. Münch wrote:
1. Fixing (all) bugs before doing new things: If I look as a CTO, CIO or
CEO on D I the first thing I ask is: "Are they doing a lot of new stuff?
And if, is this thing / last releasae that bul
On 09/07/2016 5:08 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 07/08/2016 12:00 AM, rikki cattermole wrote:
On 08/07/2016 7:55 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
We really need opRef* implemented in dmd.
What is that? -- Andrei
As in your solution to ref c
On 7/8/16 6:36 PM, Carl Vogel wrote:
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:56:29 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 07/07/2016 03:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Please provide feedback. We'll make a couple more passes before this
is complete. Thanks!
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:56:29 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
On 07/07/2016 03:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Please provide feedback. We'll make a couple more passes before
this is complete. Thanks! -- Andrei
This list is full of goo
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:55:51 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Promote video tutorials? :)
On 7/8/2016 7:01 AM, Eugene wrote:
please add some features from Rust: primitive type aliases, like i8, u8, u32,
and so on
http://dlang.org/phobos/core_stdc_stdint.html
On 07/07/2016 10:33 PM, Brad Roberts via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On 7/7/16 12:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
>> https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
>
> In the release management section, I'd like to see some priority placed
> on regressions. There
On 7/8/2016 6:51 AM, Robert M. Münch wrote:
1. Fixing (all) bugs before doing new things: If I look as a CTO, CIO or CEO on
D I the first thing I ask is: "Are they doing a lot of new stuff? And if, is
this thing / last releasae that bullet proof stable that there are not annoying
open issued?" An
On 07/07/2016 03:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
I have integrated
https://wiki.dlang.org/Walter_Andrei_Action_List#Walter_and_Andrei.27s_Action_List
within https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2.
Andrei
On 07/08/2016 01:04 PM, Jack Stouffer wrote:
On Friday, 8 July 2016 at 16:55:54 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I think the most important concrete step is to find more reviewers,
which is already in the document. As to how to do that, I'm not sure.
-- Andrei
To be blunt, the vision (and goals
On 07/08/2016 12:04 PM, Andrew Godfrey wrote:
1) A link to that action list, placing it in context relative to this
doc, and encouraging people to add their ideas like "rust aliases" there
instead of here. (Or maybe you have a better place for this, like a
forum where such requests are discussed
On 07/08/2016 09:51 AM, Robert M. Münch wrote:
1. Fixing (all) bugs before doing new things: If I look as a CTO, CIO or
CEO on D I the first thing I ask is: "Are they doing a lot of new stuff?
And if, is this thing / last releasae that bullet proof stable that
there are not annoying open issued?"
On 07/08/2016 10:01 AM, Eugene wrote:
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:55:51 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
please add some features from Rust: primitive type aliases, like i8, u8,
u32, and so on
No need. -- Andrei
On 07/08/2016 05:17 AM, Robert burner Schadek wrote:
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 20:44:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 7/7/16 3:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
In the next pass I will integrate Walter_Andrei_Action_List
I'm quite underw
On 07/08/2016 12:00 AM, rikki cattermole wrote:
On 08/07/2016 7:55 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
We really need opRef* implemented in dmd.
What is that? -- Andrei
On 07/08/2016 02:54 AM, Johannes Pfau wrote:
Am Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:55:51 -0400
schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu :
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Safety and Memory Management
Btw: You said #15951 (Inefficiencies in struct initialization) is a
blocker for RCStr. I've started some
On 07/07/2016 06:06 PM, qznc wrote:
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:56:29 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 07/07/2016 03:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Please provide feedback. We'll make a couple more passes before this
is complete. Thanks!
On 07/07/2016 05:48 PM, Seb wrote:
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:56:29 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 07/07/2016 03:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Please provide feedback. We'll make a couple more passes before this
is complete. Thanks! -
On Friday, 8 July 2016 at 16:55:54 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I think the most important concrete step is to find more
reviewers, which is already in the document. As to how to do
that, I'm not sure. -- Andrei
To be blunt, the vision (and goals in general) are kind of
useless without a p
On 07/07/2016 04:39 PM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:55:51PM -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Under "raising participation", are there any concrete steps that can be
taken to
On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 09:17:14AM +, Robert burner Schadek via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
[...]
> I'm not the much in the DMD process, but what about making the
> frontend a library and being able to select the backend at the time of
> compilation, as shortly mentioned at DConf. I bet ther
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:55:51 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
I see that this thread has sparked a lot of "ideas for the
future". That's a great outcome but many of them don't belong in
this vision document, and in fact some probably deser
On Friday, 8 July 2016 at 14:01:14 UTC, Eugene wrote:
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:55:51 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
please add some features from Rust: primitive type aliases,
like i8, u8, u32, and so on
Not hard:
module stdrust;
alias
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:55:51 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
please add some features from Rust: primitive type aliases, like
i8, u8, u32, and so on
On 2016-07-07 19:55:51 +, Andrei Alexandrescu said:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
A more "business / managment" view:
If we want to achieve hihger adoption rate of D, which IMO should be
the first priority as it's an enabler for a lot of the other things
posted, the no
On Friday, 8 July 2016 at 09:17:14 UTC, Robert burner Schadek
wrote:
You create a VD roughly twice a year. You have to compare it
with the last VD and see what was done. That is a lot of
overhead IMO.
Why not create "THE VISION DOCUMENT" and update it when needed.
I like to think about it a
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 20:44:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
On 7/7/16 3:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
In the next pass I will integrate Walter_Andrei_Action_List
I'm quite underwhelmed by the Vision Document (VD). I think that
is b
Am Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:55:51 -0400
schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu :
> https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
> Safety and Memory Management
Btw: You said #15951 (Inefficiencies in struct initialization) is a
blocker for RCStr. I've started some basic optimizations in GDC, but we
can't merg
On 08/07/2016 7:55 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
We really need opRef* implemented in dmd.
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:56:29 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
On 07/07/2016 03:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Please provide feedback. We'll make a couple more passes before
this is complete. Thanks! -- Andrei
Wrt "Improve organizatio
On 7/7/2016 1:16 PM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
Recently Walter has been fixing a series of compiler bugs related to
@safe, which is a very promising development, but we're not quite there
yet:
https://issues.dlang.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=safe&list_id=209407&resolutio
On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:56:29 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
On 07/07/2016 03:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Please provide feedback. We'll make a couple more passes before
this is complete. Thanks! -- Andrei
I agree that you should
On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:55:51PM -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Under "raising participation", are there any concrete steps that can be
taken to realize this goal? Given that last quarter we failed to achieve
the tar
On 7/7/16 3:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
In the next pass I will integrate
https://wiki.dlang.org/Walter_Andrei_Action_List#Walter_and_Andrei.27s_Action_List
within the vision document. We're already stretched thin
organizationally, and nee
On 7/7/16 4:33 PM, Brad Roberts via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On 7/7/16 12:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
In the release management section, I'd like to see some priority placed
on regressions. There was a time t
On 7/7/16 4:16 PM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:55:51PM -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Under "safety and memory management", what about adding "plug existing
known loopholes
On 7/7/16 12:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
In the release management section, I'd like to see some priority placed on regressions. There was a
time that releases were held until those where addressed. It was only a
On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:55:51PM -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Under "safety and memory management", what about adding "plug existing
known loopholes in @safe"?
Recently Walter has been fixing a series of compiler
On 07/07/2016 03:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Please provide feedback. We'll make a couple more passes before this is
complete. Thanks! -- Andrei
https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
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