Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-25 Thread Ian Lynch
On 24 April 2011 21:36, Robert Derman wrote: > Jon Hamkins wrote: > >> On 04/22/2011 05:33 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: >> >>> Hi *, >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Jon Hamkins >>> wrote: >>> On 04/06/2011 04:54 AM, toki wrote: There are roughly one billion words in the

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-24 Thread Robert Derman
Jon Hamkins wrote: On 04/24/2011 01:36 PM, Robert Derman wrote: I have said this a number of times, and that at least the English version is sadly deficient in compound words, at least the one in OOo 3.11 which I am still using because I am reluctant to give up the personal dictionary to which

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-24 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 04/24/2011 01:36 PM, Robert Derman wrote: I have said this a number of times, and that at least the English version is sadly deficient in compound words, at least the one in OOo 3.11 which I am still using because I am reluctant to give up the personal dictionary to which I have added perhaps

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-24 Thread Robert Derman
Jon Hamkins wrote: On 04/22/2011 05:33 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi *, On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Jon Hamkins wrote: On 04/06/2011 04:54 AM, toki wrote: There are roughly one billion words in the English language. You could have a LibO spell checker that contains each of those wo

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-23 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 04/22/2011 05:33 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi *, On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Jon Hamkins wrote: On 04/06/2011 04:54 AM, toki wrote: There are roughly one billion words in the English language. You could have a LibO spell checker that contains each of those words. Actually, ther

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2011-04-23 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22/04/2011 03:40, Jon Hamkins wrote: >> There are roughly one billion words in the English language. You could > Actually, there are only about one million English words in English, and You are right. That billion words is the size of the corpus t

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2011-04-22 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Jon Hamkins wrote: > On 04/06/2011 04:54 AM, toki wrote: > >> There are roughly one billion words in the English language. You could >> have a LibO spell checker that contains each of those words. > > Actually, there are only about one million English words

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-21 Thread Jon Hamkins
t: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:16:58 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences,Please make your action today against it. Hello Laszlo, Le Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:42:10 +0200 (CEST), Kürti László a écrit : Hi All, Sorry for this off topic but this is serious

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-21 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 04/06/2011 04:54 AM, toki wrote: There are roughly one billion words in the English language. You could have a LibO spell checker that contains each of those words. Actually, there are only about one million English words in English, and that's including the 500,000 or so scientific words.

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2011-04-08 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
hind this case > >> than we have a chance. > >> > >> Yes we must act an intelligent way but first of all we must act. > >> > >> Laszlo > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Charles-H. Schulz" > >

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-07 Thread Kürti László
Yes we must act an intelligent way but first of all we must act. >> >> Laszlo >> >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Charles-H. Schulz" >> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org >> Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:16:58 AM >> Subject:

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2011-04-07 Thread James Wilde
we?, you? (TDF) have the will and members stand behind this case >> than we have a chance. >> >> Yes we must act an intelligent way but first of all we must act. >> >> Laszlo >> >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Charles-H. Schulz&quo

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2011-04-06 Thread Mark Preston
Steve, Indeed it is good to talk - that's why we're here. And I'm glad you did because now I am much clearer on what you mean (and to some extent sympathise). Like your own users, I have written format filters that use Microsoft Office Word documents and, probably like your own developers, put a

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2011-04-06 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/04/2011 21:23, Robert Derman wrote: > My prime example, the word list in the spell checker is PATHETIC!!! It is fairly easy to toss out the built in spell checker, and replace it with something that is more suitable for your organization's usa

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2011-04-06 Thread Laurence Jeloudev
MO? What about iWork? How Come our document formats don't work with them. Sent from my iPhone On 06/04/2011, at 9:23 PM, toki wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 05/04/2011 14:56, Mike Hall wrote: >> long documents, I personally came across only 2 instances of genuin

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2011-04-06 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/04/2011 14:56, Mike Hall wrote: > long documents, I personally came across only 2 instances of genuine MSO bugs. I guess it is a feature that when I used MSO 2010 with Win7, the mean time till seeing the BSOD was under 100 seconds. I guess it is

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2011-04-05 Thread Steve Edmonds
that kind from the thousands of end users I was to some degree >>>>> responsible for internationally. >>>>> >>>>> In my professional opinion and with the maximum regret, I do not >>>>> believe that OOo/LibO has a product offering of ad

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Steve Edmonds
On 2011-04-06 07:19, Ercole Carpanetto wrote: > On 5 April 2011 21:08, Steve Edmonds wrote: > >> All. >> I tend to agree with Mike on many aspects. >> We use 12 instances of LO in our business and I support more privately. >> I inter-react with an educational institution and others predominan

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2011-04-05 Thread Robert Derman
Mike Hall wrote: Charles, I think an appreciation of this point is absolutely crucial to a successful product, which is why I bang on about it. And I'm only faithfully recording my own experience. Unfortunately there is a difference in quality, which implicitly you seem to recognise. Yes, it

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2011-04-05 Thread Mark Preston
idered though painful >>>> conclusion that the majority of IT managers in those economies would >>>> correctly judge MSO to be the better option. As I said, I wish it >>>> were different, but it is not. We can lobby and protest as much as we >>>> like, but in my o

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2011-04-05 Thread Ercole Carpanetto
On 5 April 2011 21:08, Steve Edmonds wrote: > All. > I tend to agree with Mike on many aspects. > We use 12 instances of LO in our business and I support more privately. > I inter-react with an educational institution and others predominantly MO, > our business is mainly LO. > > For a corporation

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2011-04-05 Thread Ercole Carpanetto
On 5 April 2011 20:17, M. Fioretti wrote: > On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 18:12:34 PM +0100, Mike Hall > (mike.h...@onepoyle.net) wrote: > >> The main cost is not the licence, for which in any case large >> organisations generally pay very little per desktop. It's user >> support that is costly, ie overall

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2011-04-05 Thread Steve Edmonds
From: "Mike Hall" To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:21:03 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences,Please make your action today against it. On 05/04/2011 12:11, Kürti László wrote: Even with docx, xlsx format co

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2011-04-05 Thread Ian Lynch
se, but please let yourself off the hook of MS FUDs. >> :) >> >> Laszlo >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mike Hall" >> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org >> Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:21:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [tdf-d

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 18:12:34 PM +0100, Mike Hall (mike.h...@onepoyle.net) wrote: > The main cost is not the licence, for which in any case large > organisations generally pay very little per desktop. It's user > support that is costly, ie overall cost of ownership. Mike, I have a question about

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2011-04-05 Thread Mike Hall
e let yourself off the hook of MS FUDs. :) Laszlo - Original Message - From: "Mike Hall" To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:21:03 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today aga

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
you opened it in a different PC. > > > > Pls don't get me wrong, but MS office works just as OO.o or LibO. > > And this is not the case, but please let yourself off the hook of > > MS FUDs. :) > > > > Laszlo > > > > > > - Original

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2011-04-05 Thread Mike Hall
ease let yourself off the hook of MS FUDs. :) Laszlo - Original Message - From: "Mike Hall" To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:21:03 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action tod

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2011-04-05 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
e have a chance. > > Yes we must act an intelligent way but first of all we must act. > > Laszlo > > - Original Message - > From: "Charles-H. Schulz" > To: discuss@documentfoundation.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:16:58 AM > Subject: Re: [tdf-

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2011-04-05 Thread Kürti László
, but please let yourself off the hook of MS FUDs. :) Laszlo - Original Message - From: "Mike Hall" To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:21:03 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your actio

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2011-04-05 Thread Mike Hall
On 05/04/2011 12:11, Kürti László wrote: Even with docx, xlsx format could be read and written by OO.o or LibO (or at least a workaround can be find). Laslo, Don't get me wrong, I entirely agree with all your sentiments. Unfortunately, in practice the description of the situation I gave will

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2011-04-05 Thread Kürti László
e than we > have a chance. > > Yes we must act an intelligent way but first of all we must act. > > Laszlo > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Charles-H. Schulz" > To: discuss@documentfoundation.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:16:58 AM > Subjec

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2011-04-05 Thread Mike Hall
e - From: "Charles-H. Schulz" To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:16:58 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it. Hello Laszlo, Le Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:42:10 +0200 (CEST), Kürt

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Kürti László
se than we have a chance. Yes we must act an intelligent way but first of all we must act. Laszlo - Original Message - From: "Charles-H. Schulz" To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:16:58 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter ta

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2011-04-05 Thread Ian Lynch
"The commission is committed to getting value for money and negotiates on behalf of all the E.U. institutions, agencies and other bodies - 42 in all. Representing such a large number allows us to drive costs down and we will drive a hard bargain." How hard a bargain can they drive when the vendor

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:53:47 +0200, pierre choffardet a écrit : > Le 05/04/2011 09:42, Kürti László a écrit : > > Hi All, > > > > Sorry for this off topic but this is serious > > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9215419/EC_enters_talks_with_Microsoft_for_new_licenses?taxonomyName=IT+i

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2011-04-05 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Laszlo, Le Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:42:10 +0200 (CEST), Kürti László a écrit : > Hi All, > > Sorry for this off topic but this is serious > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9215419/EC_enters_talks_with_Microsoft_for_new_licenses?taxonomyName=IT+in+Government&taxonomyId=13 > > If t

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread pierre choffardet
Le 05/04/2011 09:42, Kürti László a écrit : Hi All, Sorry for this off topic but this is serious http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9215419/EC_enters_talks_with_Microsoft_for_new_licenses?taxonomyName=IT+in+Government&taxonomyId=13 If this come true than we (LibreOffice an other FLOSS

[tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Kürti László
Hi All, Sorry for this off topic but this is serious http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9215419/EC_enters_talks_with_Microsoft_for_new_licenses?taxonomyName=IT+in+Government&taxonomyId=13 If this come true than we (LibreOffice an other FLOSS products) will be down and out, buried by du