[OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for Speakers at the Open Source GIS Track for the 2014 CLSA Conference in Reno, Nevada

[Landon Blake]

The committee that organizes the Annual California Land Surveyors
Association (CLSA) Conference is interested in having a half day or full
day event on open source GIS at the 2014 Conference. They've asked me to
put together some information about our event schedule and the speakers.

I've put up a preliminary event schedule based on a full day event with two
tracks here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/CLSA_2014_Conference_OSGeo_Open_Source_GIS_Track

I've left several open slots. Here are some sample topics that could be
plugged into those open slots:

- Python scripting with QGIS.
- The business case for GIS.
- Linear referencing in GIS.
- Introduction to QGIS.
- GIS database concepts with PostGIS.
- Remote sensing with ballons or low cost drones.

Other topics might also be acceptable. I'd like to keep the GIS concepts
and GIS software parts of the event very simple and easy for beginners.
This will have greater appeal for most land surveyors.

The last part of the event on GIS programming can be geared towards more
experienced GIS users.

Let me know if you'd be willing to come out to Reno in the spring to give a
talk. I'll get the conference registration waived. (I've got three speakers
from our local chapter, but I could use a couple more.)

Thanks.

Landon
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Nominate Eli Adam for Carter Member

[Landon Blake]

I just want to add that Eli has been critical to getting the last couple
volumes of the Journal published. I definitely support his nomination as a
charter member.
Landon


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM, David Percy  wrote:

> I would like to nominate Eli Adam as Charter Member (can I do that,
> the rules don't say I can't!)
>
> Eli is active on the OSGeo Journal, and several other committees at
> OSGeo. He was also instrumental in establishing the Portland, Oregon
> open source GIS group as an official chapter of OSGeo. He has worked
> on a statewide campaign to get government standardized on GeoMoose for
> parcel data (he may have contributed code, too). As a government
> employee, he brings a very useful perspective.
>
> I'm sure Eli does a whole lot of other great stuff, he has so much
> energy and is so helpful!
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Percy
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Sample Contract for Open Source Software Services

[Landon Blake]

I hope to launch a start-up offering services based on some open source
geospatial software in the next couple of months. I would like to know if
anyone from the OSGeo community would be willing to share a sample contract
for open source software services with me.

I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sample Contract for Open Source Software Services

[Landon Blake]

Thanks for the comments Frank. I'm familiar with scope of services, but
I'll probably want a simple contract as well. I can work something up from
scratch, but I thought I would see what other people were using.

Landon


On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

> Landon,
>
> As a consultant, I never actually proposed a contract.  When it was up
> to me, I'd just write up a statement of work. Sometimes I had to sign
> contracts created by the clients of course.
>
> For the most part open source geospatial isn't different than any
> other business.  The one item I was always careful about was making
> clear what software products were remaining under an open source
> license vs. becoming the property of the client.
>
> Best regards,
> Frank
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Landon Blake
>  wrote:
> > I hope to launch a start-up offering services based on some open source
> > geospatial software in the next couple of months. I would like to know if
> > anyone from the OSGeo community would be willing to share a sample
> contract
> > for open source software services with me.
> >
> > I'd appreciate any help.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Landon
> >
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Help From the Quebec Chapter

[Landon Blake]

I'm currently trying to wrap up the 2012 Annual Report before 2014 gets
here. :]

Could someone from the Quebec Chapter ping me about their annual report
item? I checked their wiki page for contact information...but it is in
French.

Thanks.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sample Contract for Open Source Software Services

[Landon Blake]

Thanks for those suggestions Brent.
On Sep 27, 2013 3:32 PM, "Brent Wood"  wrote:

> Check out companies already offering support contracts for FOSS tools,
> EnterpriseDB, 2nd Quadrant, Oracle (for MySQL), OpenGeo (Boundless), etc...
> I think most of them have contracts (or at least a Terms of Service
> document) available online.
>
> At the last FOSS4G in Nottingham, most vendor stands were companies
> offering commercial support for FOSS applications. Seemingly a growth
> industry - hopefully some funding goes back to the core development team,
> or at least the product...
>
> Brent Wood
>
>   --
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> *To:* OSGeo Discussions 
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 28, 2013 9:43 AM
> *Subject:* [OSGeo-Discuss] Sample Contract for Open Source Software
> Services
>
> I hope to launch a start-up offering services based on some open source
> geospatial software in the next couple of months. I would like to know if
> anyone from the OSGeo community would be willing to share a sample contract
> for open source software services with me.
>
> I'd appreciate any help.
>
> Thanks.
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source GNSS Receiver

[Landon Blake]

This is so cool...I just had to share it:
http://gnss-sdr.org/

To bad it is written in C++. :]

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Board candidate vision: Landon Blake

[Landon Blake]

I wanted to share some comments on what I’d like to accomplish as an OSGeo
Board Member. I have a bad habit of over committing, so I’m going to
modestly limit my list of goals to the following:

1)  Work to help private companies and businesses that support the
OSGeo software stack and other open source geospatial software. This
includes increasing awareness about the software support services made
available by these companies to customers and clients. It also includes
making it easier for these private companies to support OSGeo activities
and to receive recognition for this support.

2)  Work to further support OSGeo Labs. This includes identifying
current hold-ups in our incubation and project approval process. I want to
make it as easy as practical for projects to enter and graduate from
incubation.

3)  Provide better coordination and organization of our open source
Java geospatial community. Currently GeoTools is the only Java geospatial
project in our software stack. I’d like to see greater cooperation among
the Java advocates of OSGeo. This might include joint development of some
standard libraries and packaging standards for the different platforms. I
also think there is a tremendous opportunity to develop open source
geospatial applications and libraries for Android.

4)  Organization house-keeping. This includes checking in with each
committee to determine if it is functioning and if it has the resources it
needs. Defunct committees will need a reboot. Committees that lack
sufficient volunteer support or resources should be hibernated.

However the election turns out, I hope to continue my work on the Journal
and with OSGeo Labs.


Thanks.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board candidate vision: Landon Blake

[Landon Blake]

Dirk:

You are correct. I overlooked those projects. Kinda embarrassing since I
helped Geoserver through incubation. Thanks for the correction. I still
think there is room for more cooperation among Java geo developers.

Landon


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Dirk Frigne 
wrote:

>  Landon,
> I don't understand your third point.
> IMHO following OSGeo projects are Java projects (if I don't miss any):
> - deegree
> - geomajas
> - geoserver
> - geotools
>
> D.
>
>
> On 26-08-14 17:45, Landon Blake wrote:
>
>  I wanted to share some comments on what I’d like to accomplish as an
> OSGeo Board Member. I have a bad habit of over committing, so I’m going to
> modestly limit my list of goals to the following:
>
> 1)  Work to help private companies and businesses that support the
> OSGeo software stack and other open source geospatial software. This
> includes increasing awareness about the software support services made
> available by these companies to customers and clients. It also includes
> making it easier for these private companies to support OSGeo activities
> and to receive recognition for this support.
>
> 2)  Work to further support OSGeo Labs. This includes identifying
> current hold-ups in our incubation and project approval process. I want to
> make it as easy as practical for projects to enter and graduate from
> incubation.
>
> 3)  Provide better coordination and organization of our open source
> Java geospatial community. Currently GeoTools is the only Java geospatial
> project in our software stack. I’d like to see greater cooperation among
> the Java advocates of OSGeo. This might include joint development of some
> standard libraries and packaging standards for the different platforms. I
> also think there is a tremendous opportunity to develop open source
> geospatial applications and libraries for Android.
>
> 4)  Organization house-keeping. This includes checking in with each
> committee to determine if it is functioning and if it has the resources it
> needs. Defunct committees will need a reboot. Committees that lack
> sufficient volunteer support or resources should be hibernated.
>
> However the election turns out, I hope to continue my work on the Journal
> and with OSGeo Labs.
>
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>  Landon
>
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Code for ArcGIS and Sketchup

[Landon Blake]

OSGeo Guys and Gals:

I've got some open source code I hope to release for some recent work of
mine. The first batch of code is python code for ArcGIS script tools that
can assist with the generation of map books. These tools replace and
enhance some of the functionality in the ArcGIS Data Production Extension.
(Yes...I'm writing open source Python code for ArcGIS. Doesn't make me a
criminal.) I will probably start work on an open source replacement for the
extinct Survey Extension next year.

These second batch of code is a set of plug-ins for precise 3D
drafting/modeling in Trimble SketchUp. This includes tools that allow you
to draw faces (planes) and edges using coordinates, directions, and
distances. I've also inlcuded a set of 4 or 5 new sketchy styles I built
for SketchUp using Inkscape. You can view this stuff online already here:
https://code.google.com/p/surveyos-sketchup-toolkit/

I suspect I'll be slowly improving both toolkits over the next few months
as part of my day job. Please let me know if you have similar code (for
ArcGIS or Sketchup) that you'd be interested in packaging and maintaining
as part of a joint project. I'd like to get my stuff into OSGeo Incubation
Labs once we figure out what is happening there.

Have a good weekend!

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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Journal - Call for Contributions

[Landon Blake]

We are getting ready to (finally) publish the annual report for 2012. I'm
going to experiment with a slimmer journal published bi-monthly or
quarterly instead of once a year.

We'll start this experiment with a Fall 2014 Issue of the Journal.

I invite Chapters, Software Projects, and Committees to submit reports just
like they normally do for the Annual Report. This round of submittals can
cover activities from January 2013 to September 2014.

I'll also need a volunteer for an interview. Please don't be shy.

If you want to contribute a topical article or tutorial for this issue,
that would also help. I'd like to get submissions by October 31. I'll plan
on publishing by the middle of November.

You can send your articles directly to me (sunburned.surve...@gmail.com) or
to the Newsletter mailing list. All we need is your word processing
document and any photos or graphics. We will take care of the rest.

I really appreciate the help and support.

Thanks!

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Journal] OSGeo Journal - Call for Contributions

[Landon Blake]

Thanks for the reminder Barend.

Landon

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:55 AM,  wrote:

>  Hi Landon,
>
>  Just a reminder that the Academic Track committee of FOSS4G2014 is at
> the moment doing a final review round to determine where each Academic
> Track paper is to be published (if anywhere). Some of those might come up
> for the OSGEO Journal, as of yet we do not know if there's enough to fill a
> special issue or maybe we just have a few in a regular issue.  We hope to
> have the selection and final editing before Christmas, so that 'production'
> could start in 2015.
>
>  Yours,
> Barend Köbben
>
>
>  --
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> @barendkobben
>
>
>
>   On 22-10-2014 23:47, "Landon Blake" 
> wrote:
>
>   We are getting ready to (finally) publish the annual report for 2012.
> I'm going to experiment with a slimmer journal published bi-monthly or
> quarterly instead of once a year.
>
>  We'll start this experiment with a Fall 2014 Issue of the Journal.
>
>  I invite Chapters, Software Projects, and Committees to submit reports
> just like they normally do for the Annual Report. This round of submittals
> can cover activities from January 2013 to September 2014.
>
>  I'll also need a volunteer for an interview. Please don't be shy.
>
>  If you want to contribute a topical article or tutorial for this issue,
> that would also help. I'd like to get submissions by October 31. I'll plan
> on publishing by the middle of November.
>
>  You can send your articles directly to me (sunburned.surve...@gmail.com)
> or to the Newsletter mailing list. All we need is your word processing
> document and any photos or graphics. We will take care of the rest.
>
>  I really appreciate the help and support.
>
>  Thanks!
>
>  Landon
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Incubator] New incubation procedure

[Landon Blake]

I agree we should revisit our incubation process and see how our former
"OSGeo Labs" fits in to the overall incubation process. I'm willing to
help. What is our next step?

Landon

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Cameron Shorter  wrote:

>  Hi Jachym,
> I think this is a good idea.
>
> Also to include in this discussion is streamlining our existing incubation
> docs. In particular, retire "General Principles of Incubation" [1], update
> our Project Graduation Checklist [2], and update our Incubator Application
> Questionnaire [3]. The links below include proposals for how these docs
> could be updated.
>
> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/General_Principles_of_Incubation
> [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Project_Graduation_Checklist
> [3] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubator_Application_Questionnaire
>
>
> On 16/02/2015 10:44 pm, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>  I would like to dig a bit more into the topic "more fine incubation"
> procedure and former "OSGeo Labs" (now it has no name is slowly forgotten
> in past, but you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs)
>
>  I would like to start talk about it a bit (I suggest incubator mailing
> list), prepared wiki page (with confusing name):
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/5-star-rating
>
>  Scope: to re-new OSGeo Labs, make the incubation process easier for all
> of us, with more little steps (except for one big). Projects could flow
> between the steps "up" and "down", related to their current living phase.
>
>  I hope, this would help to the community to get oriented, would allow
> more projects to join in. Work for incubation committee and mentors could
> be even less (some projects will remain in beta). It's also related to the
> "certification" topic (even not people, but software).
>
>  Jachym
>
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] November/December 2016 Newsletter

[Landon Blake]

I've got some time off from my day job this week and I'd like to do some
work on a November/December 2015 Issue of the OSGeo Newsletter.

I'd like to invite chapters, committees, and software projects to send me
news and articles on there recent activities. I really appreciate any
contributions.

You can send content to me directly by e-mail (sunburned.surve...@gmail.com)
or to the OSGeo Newsletter Mailing List.

Thanks!

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] November/December 2016 Newsletter

[Landon Blake]

I haven't heard from any of our committees or chapters. I don't need
several pages of content...just a paragraph or two would be great. Please
let me know what your chapter or committee have been up to!

Thanks for your help.

Landon (sunburned.surve...@gmail.com)

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Landon Blake  wrote:

> I've got some time off from my day job this week and I'd like to do some
> work on a November/December 2015 Issue of the OSGeo Newsletter.
>
> I'd like to invite chapters, committees, and software projects to send me
> news and articles on there recent activities. I really appreciate any
> contributions.
>
> You can send content to me directly by e-mail (
> sunburned.surve...@gmail.com) or to the OSGeo Newsletter Mailing List.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Landon
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Journal] November/December 2016 Newsletter

[Landon Blake]

You could write about anything in 2015.

Landon

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Yves Jacolin  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> What is the period covered? 2015 ?
>
> I will write something monday evening.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Y.
>
> Le samedi 14 novembre 2015, 08:35:10 Landon Blake a écrit :
> > I haven't heard from any of our committees or chapters. I don't need
> > several pages of content...just a paragraph or two would be great. Please
> > let me know what your chapter or committee have been up to!
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Landon (sunburned.surve...@gmail.com)
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Landon Blake <
> sunburned.surve...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I've got some time off from my day job this week and I'd like to do
> some
> > > work on a November/December 2015 Issue of the OSGeo Newsletter.
> > >
> > > I'd like to invite chapters, committees, and software projects to send
> me
> > > news and articles on there recent activities. I really appreciate any
> > > contributions.
> > >
> > > You can send content to me directly by e-mail (
> > > sunburned.surve...@gmail.com) or to the OSGeo Newsletter Mailing List.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Landon
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] November/December 2016 Newsletter

[Landon Blake]

That would be great Anita! Could you write the summary and send it over to
me?

Thanks!

Landon

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Anita Graser  wrote:

> Hi Landon,
>
> If it fits the newsletter, I think it would be great to report from the
> latest QGIS developer meeting
>
> http://blog.qgis.org/2015/11/15/a-word-of-thanks-to-the-hosts-of-the-14th-qgis-hackfest-in-gran-canaria/
>
> Let me know if I should compile a short summary.
>
> Best wishes,
> Anita
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Landon Blake <
> sunburned.surve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I haven't heard from any of our committees or chapters. I don't need
>> several pages of content...just a paragraph or two would be great. Please
>> let me know what your chapter or committee have been up to!
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Landon (sunburned.surve...@gmail.com)
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Landon Blake <
>> sunburned.surve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got some time off from my day job this week and I'd like to do some
>>> work on a November/December 2015 Issue of the OSGeo Newsletter.
>>>
>>> I'd like to invite chapters, committees, and software projects to send
>>> me news and articles on there recent activities. I really appreciate any
>>> contributions.
>>>
>>> You can send content to me directly by e-mail (
>>> sunburned.surve...@gmail.com) or to the OSGeo Newsletter Mailing List.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Landon
>>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Journal] OSGEO journal

[Landon Blake]

Christian wrote: "First, the Journal has failed to build enough academic
merit, that researchers seriously consider to submit their work to the
Journal.
Second, the articles about community activities need to be published and
circulated within short time spans after that activity/event, thus a longer
editing and publication process as inevitable for a peer-reviewed Journal
is not suitable. Thus, these posts are ending up on blogs and also on the
wiki. And I actually think, that this is the better forum for this kind of
content, including lots of photos, web links and also videos, etc."

Great observation. Seems like the journal suffers from trying to be two (2)
things at once: an academic journal and a newsletter for OSGeo. Perhaps the
journal would do better if we separated these two (2) functions.

Landon

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Helena Mitasova  wrote:

> Christian
>
> - I am very much in support of your ideas. It may be useful to post this
> vision on the geo4all and osgeo discuss list. I am sure there will be
> volunteers willing to help out or at least encourage contributions and
> reviews. This would also help to coordinate with other publishing ideas
> such as the one proposed by Charlie focusing on peer reviewed educational
> material (which would be interesting niche that nobody has done so far - we
> could have one of the issues focused on that topic).
>
> Helena
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Christian Willmes  > wrote:
>
>> Dear Dimitris,
>>
>> its great to hear, that you are also interested in working on the OSGeo
>> Journal.
>>
>> Regarding your proposal and ideas, I see the OSGeo Journal more as an
>> academic journal, just look at the history of published issues [1]. Five
>> academic tracks proceedings, I did not counted the single academic papers,
>> but it will amount to 30-40 papers I think.
>> I am in favour to also have community reports, if they are provided (what
>> was not abundantly the case in the past either).
>>
>> But here is my analysis of and vision for the Journal.
>>
>> First, the Journal has failed to build enough academic merit, that
>> researchers seriously consider to submit their work to the Journal.
>> Second, the articles about community activities need to be published and
>> circulated within short time spans after that activity/event, thus a longer
>> editing and publication process as inevitable for a peer-reviewed Journal
>> is not suitable. Thus, these posts are ending up on blogs and also on the
>> wiki. And I actually think, that this is the better forum for this kind of
>> content, including lots of photos, web links and also videos, etc..
>>
>> So, I would suggest to keep the journal more in an academic direction,
>> and try to build merit, so that researchers start to reconsider submitting
>> to the OSGeo journal. One big point in this is, that the Journal should be
>> the default publication for FOSS4G academic track contributions. Of course,
>> attracting academics with the possibility of publications in a higher
>> ranking journal like Transactions in GIS in the past, for some few best
>> submissions each year should be also the case in the future as a major
>> attractor for academics. This practice would also yield more submissions to
>> be published in the OSGeo Journal.
>>
>> I think the OSGeo Journal can and should take a niche, that is not really
>> occupied in the Journal landscape yet. That is, articles presenting OSGeo
>> Projects, including software architecture, licensing model, road maps,
>> overview of dev community, etc. and of course case studies that focus on
>> the application of OSGeo projects in education, in public sector, for
>> development work, in industry etc.. These papers do not have to meet the
>> highest academic standards, they primarily have the function to highlight
>> OSGeo projects and to provide citable works on these OSGeo Projects. The
>> submission of papers should be generally open to everyone, no prerequisites
>> (like acad. degrees or something) whatsoever.
>>
>> Of course, a section on reposts from events etc. can and should also be
>> maintained. I would suggest that we have at first one Issue per year
>> (additionally to the FOSS4G academic track) that is open from the beginning
>> of a year to the end, and adds submissions, as soon as they are reviewed
>> and edited to this issue. Its no problem if there are at first very few
>> papers in an issue, it is more important, that we start to publish again.
>> We should keep it as simple as possible, not overarching criteria, such as
>> themes etc.. The only important criteria should be, that it has something
>> to do with OSGeo. Quality and validity is checked and if needed improved
>> during the review process.
>>
>> So, I would like to volunteer for a Journal in that direction.
>> I am open to other directions, but prefer the above depicted agenda.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Christian
>>
>> [1] https://journal.osgeo.org/index.php/journal
>>
>> Am 21.11.2015

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Lidar News magazine false statements on (L)GPL (Was [OSGeo-Standards] REPORT: my OGC membership slot)

[Landon Blake]

Did we ever hear back from the guys at LIDAR Magazine about publishing a
response?

Landon

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Jo Cook  wrote:

> I think this is something that we at OSGeo should definitely respond to.
> Perhaps we could contact the magazine and explain that there were some
> factual errors in the article, and ask for a chance to respond?
>
> Jo
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Johan Van de Wauw <
> johan.vandew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Martin Isenburg
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > Another curious thing is that I (and the open source license LGPL) was
>> > attacked vehemently in a recent column called "Open Source Mania" by
>> Lewis
>> > Graham that was published in the LiDAR News magazine. Viewer discretion
>> > advised and parental guidance suggested ... you will not like this FUD
>> > attack:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.lidarmag.com/PDF/LiDARNewsMagazine_Graham-OpenSourceMania_Vol5No4.pdf
>> >
>>
>> I read the article and there are a lot of statements there which are
>> false.
>> " if you touch a piece of GPL code with the nine foot pole of
>> launching it with a Python script, that script must now be GPLed"
>> not true
>>
>> "Suppose you have developed some very, very clever algorithm on which
>> you and your university have applied for a patent. If you have coded
>> your algorithm and used any GPL whatsoever, you just GPLed your
>> patent. The patent rights effectively transfer to the Open Software
>> Foundation for free distribution."
>>
>> Completely untrue. The Open Software Foundation does not exist. You
>> don't transfer patent rights at all. A well known counter-example is
>> the algortihm for MP3, where the code (lame) was released under LGPL.
>>
>> I think as OSGeo we should reply to the statements, this is an attack
>> on our community. Perhaps we can ask someone from the Free Software
>> Foundation Europe to help write a response?
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Johan
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>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Lidar News magazine false statements on (L)GPL (Was [OSGeo-Standards] REPORT: my OGC membership slot)

[Landon Blake]

Thanks for the update Martin. Let me know if I can help.

Landon

On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 12:33 AM, Martin Isenburg  wrote:

> Hi Landon,
>
> We must be on the same clock. Just yesterday I inquired via LinkedIn with
> the managing editor, Roland Mangold (cc-ed).
>
> "Hello Roland, has the rebuttal to the "Open Source Mania" article been
> published in the meantime? Was hoping to see you at ELMF / Capturing
> Reality ... Regards, Martin"
>
> the response was
>
> "Hi Martin ...its being reviewed by Marc and Allen Cheves ...they are the
> owners of LiDAR Magazine ..."
>
> This could be bad news as usually these kind of publications are always
> looking for interesting content ... so letting a few magazines go by for
> this well edited article by Oliver seems odd.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Landon Blake <
> sunburned.surve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did we ever hear back from the guys at LIDAR Magazine about publishing a
>> response?
>>
>> Landon
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Jo Cook 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is something that we at OSGeo should definitely respond to.
>>> Perhaps we could contact the magazine and explain that there were some
>>> factual errors in the article, and ask for a chance to respond?
>>>
>>> Jo
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Johan Van de Wauw <
>>> johan.vandew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Martin Isenburg
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Another curious thing is that I (and the open source license LGPL) was
>>>> > attacked vehemently in a recent column called "Open Source Mania" by
>>>> Lewis
>>>> > Graham that was published in the LiDAR News magazine. Viewer
>>>> discretion
>>>> > advised and parental guidance suggested ... you will not like this FUD
>>>> > attack:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.lidarmag.com/PDF/LiDARNewsMagazine_Graham-OpenSourceMania_Vol5No4.pdf
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I read the article and there are a lot of statements there which are
>>>> false.
>>>> " if you touch a piece of GPL code with the nine foot pole of
>>>> launching it with a Python script, that script must now be GPLed"
>>>> not true
>>>>
>>>> "Suppose you have developed some very, very clever algorithm on which
>>>> you and your university have applied for a patent. If you have coded
>>>> your algorithm and used any GPL whatsoever, you just GPLed your
>>>> patent. The patent rights effectively transfer to the Open Software
>>>> Foundation for free distribution."
>>>>
>>>> Completely untrue. The Open Software Foundation does not exist. You
>>>> don't transfer patent rights at all. A well known counter-example is
>>>> the algortihm for MP3, where the code (lame) was released under LGPL.
>>>>
>>>> I think as OSGeo we should reply to the statements, this is an attack
>>>> on our community. Perhaps we can ask someone from the Free Software
>>>> Foundation Europe to help write a response?
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>> Johan
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Wiki Clean-Up

[Landon Blake]

I'm trying to clean-up some of the Incubation pages on the wiki. Any idea
how I delete a page? I've banged my head on this problem for 30 minutes and
can't find the answer.

Please let me know if you've got the answer.

Thanks!

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W maintenance activities

[Landon Blake]

I'm a MS Windows User at work. I'm not a C programmer, but I know enough to
compile some code. I can help with compiling and testing on Windows 64 Bit.

Landon

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Rashad Kanavath  wrote:

> Hello Anita,
>
> I think osgeo4w needs a better structuring of how packages can be added or
> updated based on different compilers and version.
>
> Currently, due to ABI incompatibility upgrades are stuck. For instance
> ossim.  This was discussed in
> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/ticket/473#comment:7
>
> IMHO, it should become a package management tool for Windows rather than a
> package installer.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Anita Graser  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> OSGeo4W is a great project which brings together software from lots of
>> our projects and many users rely on it.
>>
>> The volunteer team around OSGeo4W is not that big and I wonder how
>> sustainable this is in the long run. From what I know, there are quite a
>> lot of - mostly maintenance - issues on the todo list, which have been
>> sitting there for months.
>>
>> I'd like to encourage the OSGeo4W team to let us know how OSGeo can help
>> ensure that this important project for many users is run in a sustainable
>> manner.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Anita
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Awesome OSGeo Vision and Analysis from Marc Vloemans!

[Landon Blake]

Good work Marc. I will print this out and read it over in detail tonight.

Landon

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 12:37 AM, Jody Garnett 
wrote:

> Thanks for the interesting read Marc, you are inspiring as always. I
> argued with the wiki on your behalf to restore the bulleted lists /
> numbered lits you had typed in.
>
> I would love to consider the participating projects as "stakeholders" in
> your piece, and consider the role OSGeo plays as a software foundation.
> Both for projects (a place to belong, a legal party to own code, etc...)
> and for protecting users (holding projects to a standard of not just open
> source but inclusive/open governance etc...).
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On 15 April 2016 at 03:28, Cameron Shorter 
> wrote:
>
>> Mark has started an excellent SWOT analysis of OSGeo, laying a foundation
>> for a practical, implementable vision for OSGeo. I suggest everyone grad a
>> coffee and take the time to read and then comment:
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:Marketing_Committee
>>
>> Mark, thank you for the deep thought you have obviously put into this.
>> I'm excited to hear feedback from others, and ideas on how to refine your
>> ideas and put them into practice.
>>
>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>
>> On 15/04/2016 2:04 am, Marc VLOEMANS wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thanks for the invite and effort preparing it. I will certainly try to
>> fill it out to my best of abilities. But I feel it lacks an objective frame
>> work to sift, group, choose, prioritise and execute the results of the
>> questionnaire.
>> The present leap from vision/mission to objectives is often a bit too big
>> for me (I miss a storyline); explicit transparent strategy formulation
>> should make the questionaire easier :-).
>>
>> Unfortunately there are too many implicit assumptions when it comes to
>> our intended strategy. We already do many things (events, projects,
>> products, partnering, other initiatives) for many stakeholders. But which
>> add more value to these than others (having a volunteer does not make
>> something worthwhile doing)? What do stakeholders expect from OSGeo (did we
>> ever ask)? Which initiatives are more instrumental to fullfil our mission
>> than others (not necessarily the number of mentions in the
>> questionaire...)? Which initoatives deserve more attention than others (eg
>> those fullfilling more objectives at the same time)? If none of us is
>> interested in executing a certain activity/task, it does not mean that this
>> activity is not crucial to our existence.
>>
>> I have done some quick thinking and writing on how general strategic
>> principles would apply to OSGeo, where the Board's objectives fit in and
>> what possible avenues we have to meet them. So I share this with the list
>> via this link: 
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:Marketing_Committee
>> For those who take the time to read, hopefully my thought process can
>> help with filling in the questionaire and deciding what we are going to do
>> and monitoring the results!
>>
>> (For those who do not know me; I have a multi-decade track record in
>> strategy, business development and marketing with most types of
>> organzations. Good software has an architecture, good strategy does too ;-)
>>
>> Please, do not consider this as a critique or an alternative to
>> vision/mission/objectives and related questionaire, but rather as a means
>> to fill essential gaps. Ones to fill in order to optimise our added value
>> as an organisation.
>>
>> Happy reading.
>> Cheers, Marc Vloemans
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Marc Vloemans
>>
>> Mobile +31(0)651 844262
>> LinkedIn: http://nl.linkedin.com/in/marcvloemans
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/marcvloemans
>> http://www.slideshare.net/marcvloemans
>>
>>
>> 2016-04-12 18:41 GMT+02:00 Massimiliano Cannata <
>> massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch>:
>>
>>> Dear OSGeo Community member,
>>> during the Face to Face board meeting held in February in Eide (Holland)
>>> a new 2026 OSGeo strategy has been formulated. We are now in a phase of
>>> community engagement to define the tactics to be implemented in the 2016 so
>>> that we can advance toward our goals.
>>>
>>> For this reason, the board kindly ask you to participate in the survey
>>> by filling (as many time as your ideas are) the form at this url:
>>> http://goo.gl/forms/HTGTlKv7SB [1]
>>>
>>> Details on the process and on the strategy are available at
>>> http://www.slideshare.net/cannata/osgeo-2026-strategy [2] and are
>>> described in the preamble of the survey.
>>>
>>>
>>> In the name of the Board of Directors,
>>> Thanks and Best regards,
>>> Maxi
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://goo.gl/forms/HTGTlKv7SB
>>>
>>> [2]  http://www.slideshare.net/cannata/osgeo-2026-strategy
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>>>
>>> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>>>
>>>
>>> Istituto scienze della Terra
>>>
>>> Dipartimento ambien

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Incubator] Should OSGeo accept "benevolent dictator" projects into OSGeo?

[Landon Blake]

Evan wrote: "Actually reading http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Governance it
seems the sentence
that cause trouble is "Should such consent exceptionally not be reached then
Peter Baumann has a casting vote." Does that mean that in case there's a tie
in voting (which cannot happen with a 3 member PSC as currently), Peter
breaks
the tie ? If so, that seems acceptable to me (should probably be rephrased
in
a more neutral way to say to designate the chair of the PSC rather than a
named individual)."

Excellent comment and great solution.

Landon

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Even Rouault 
wrote:

> Le mercredi 04 mai 2016 18:34:27, Peter Baumann a écrit :
> > HI Cameron,
> >
> > first, as this word has been used too often now, the current model has
> > nothing at all to do with dictatorship. What is the suggested opposite,
> > BTW - "dictatorship of majorities"? ;-)
>
> Actually reading http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Governance it seems the
> sentence
> that cause trouble is "Should such consent exceptionally not be reached
> then
> Peter Baumann has a casting vote." Does that mean that in case there's a
> tie
> in voting (which cannot happen with a 3 member PSC as currently), Peter
> breaks
> the tie ? If so, that seems acceptable to me (should probably be rephrased
> in
> a more neutral way to say to designate the chair of the PSC rather than a
> named individual).
>
> I actually see that Johan Van de Wauw asked the same question but this
> hasn't
> been answered clearly.
>
> Perhaps http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Governance could gain in clarity by
> defining precise voting rules (which majority, delays, etc...) As an
> example of
> simple rules (not necessarily to follow them, but to show the plain
> language
> used): https://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/wiki/rfc1_pmc /
> http://mapserver.org/development/rfc/ms-rfc-1.html /
> http://docs.geoserver.org/latest/en/developer/policies/psc.html ).
>
> >
> > If it would at least be called a "technocracy", that I could accept:
> > rasdaman has always been driven by purely scientific elaboration _and_
> > consensus orientation and respect. Genius rules, regardless where it
> comes
> > from - this is at the heart of our scientific progress.
> >
> > It is the fundamental freedom of science that is at stake here.
> >
> > I guess that OSGeo needs to decide whether it can accept a model based on
> > scientific ethics ...or not.
> >
> > best,
> > Peter
> >
> > On 05/04/2016 02:01 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> > > Hi Peter,
> > > Are you open to considering relinquishing rasdaman's current
> "benevolent
> > > dictator" governance model?
> > >
> > > Many (most?) OSGeo projects that I'm aware of are managed similarly to
> > > your description below.
> > > There is usually a sage or two amongst the community, typically someone
> > > who founded the project. The sage(s)  have more experience with the
> > > project, and their opinion holds greater weight amongst the community.
> > > This informal relationship continues even with a formal Project
> Steering
> > > Committee.
> > >
> > > As you would understand, building a successful Open Source community
> > > involves a significant amount of mutual respect, and mutual recognition
> > > of team members. Community members typically show respect by giving
> > > extra weight to the opinion of founders, and founders often show
> respect
> > > and trust of their community by sharing project governance.
> > >
> > > If you are a good open source leader, and it appears you must be, there
> > > is little risk you will loose your current influence on the project.
> Its
> > > also unlikely there will be an unresolvable difference between yourself
> > > and the community. But if there is, and the project forks, whether you
> > > are head of the official PSC or the new rouge PSC will have little
> > > impact on the final result.
> > >
> > > So please do consider adopting a shared PSC governance model.
> > >
> > > If you do wish to go ahead with a "benevolent dictator" model, I agree
> > > with Andrea's that we should put the question to OSGeo Charter members
> > > to vote, as it would be a new direction for OSGeo.
> > >
> > > Warm regards, Cameron
> > >
> > > On 3/05/2016 5:46 pm, Peter Baumann wrote:
> > >> interesting discussion, with valuable thoughts!
> > >>
> > >> True, micro management is not the case in rasdaman - on the contrary,
> we
> > >> are most happy about helping hands, and are constantly thinking about
> > >> opportunities for process improvements. Personally, I am so much
> > >> overloaded that I enjoy handing over tasks, and yes: with appropriate
> > >> responsibility; in practice that means that we openly discuss pros and
> > >> cons with myself being "primus inter pares" (first among equals). I
> > >> have not received any complaint over the years that anybody would not
> > >> get heard appropriately. Regularly I just need to lean back
> > >> (metaphorically) and await the outcome of the discussion of the
> > >> experienced developers,

[OSGeo-Discuss] Geometry Display for Dot Net WPF Program

[Landon Blake]

Hey guys. I may need to create a little utility program to display
geospatial geometry in a Dot Net WPF program. I've checked out DotSpatial,
SharpMap, and MapWindow, but they all seem to have map display components
made for Windows Forms and not WPF, or they are no longer maintained.

Before I write my own WPF map control, is there another open source option
for WPF I should know about?

If I need to roll my own, I'll try to make sure the code ends up as an
OSGeo Incubation Labs project.

Thanks!

Landon

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Resignation

[Landon Blake]

I feel its time I officially resigned as Chater Member, Editor of the OSGeo
Journal and Board Rep for the California Chapter. I haven't been very
successful at these jobs over the past couple of years, and changes in my
wife's health and my job situation mean I have less time to invest in
OSGeo. The organization is also much larger and more broadly supported than
it was when I started. I feel like I need to get out of the way so others
can act in my abscence.

I think I will continue to help out with the Incubation Committee, in the
hope that focusing my modest resources may actually result in some good. We
will see how that goes.

That means we will need volunteers to step up to fill both positions. I'm
not disappearing, so I will be around to help the new volunteers learn the
ropes if needed.

I'm sorry this has taken me so long. If I  had done it sooner, perhaps we;d
already have other robust leadership in place.

It is good to see how global this organization has become.

Please reach out to me by private e-mail if you have any questions so we
don't flood everyone's inbox: sunburned.surve...@gmail.com

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Call for Volunteers for Geodata Committee

[Landon Blake]

Jeff:

I would also be wiling to help out with a reboot of the committee. After
your done collecting volunteers, let me know how you want to move forward.

Landon

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Suchith Anand <
suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Thank you Jeff for this call . Many thanks to everyone who contributed to
> Geodata over the years.
>
> Please do not dissolve this committee. Let us work to reactivate this
> committee with more interested colleagues . I would like to volunteer
> to work for OSGeo Geodata Committee  for linking ideas with the education
> aspects of Geodata. Just this month Charlie Schweik has given call in
> GeoForAll to identify 2-4 collaboration projects by at where at least
> 2-labs are collaborating on open access educational content they want to
> develop over 2018 and I think  working on a project on GeoData aspects will
> be a great opportunity to link the education community ideas for this. So I
> will follow up this using geodata as an example and try to get colleagues
> in various GeoForAll labs working on this to come together . I am sure
> working together we can make this happen.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
>
> [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/geoforall/2017-November/004311.html
>
>
>
> 
> From: Discuss  on behalf of Jeff McKenna
> 
> Sent: 25 November 2017 1:11 PM
> To: osgeo
> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Call for Volunteers for Geodata Committee
>
>
> Dear OSGeo community,
>
> We are all aware of how important Open data is for our community, and
> for the mission of OSGeo.  Most of you are aware that the OSGeo
> foundation has a committee dedicated to this, called the Geodata
> Committee; however the reality is that this committee is quiescent/not
> active/at rest, as its mailing list has not really been used since a
> message was posted in May of 2015 (which no one answered actually).
>
> The Geodata Committee is still listed as a working committee on the
> OSGeo website, and points to a page[1] that contains the mailing list
> and the wiki.  The mailing list has 387 members, and the archives go all
> the way back to March of 2006.  Back in those days, the committee would
> meet regularly on IRC and it was very vibrant (thanks to Jo, Arnulf, and
> the many early visionaries pushing forward and sharing).
>
> More recently, there was a "reboot" push for this committee around 2012,
> and also another one in October of last year.  Of course there were
> likely many other attempts, but those are the ones that come to mind.
>
> We believe that open data is even more critical to the mission of OSGeo
> today, and a strong relationship with the various data communities is
> important for the health of the ecosystem.  We also look to the massive
> success of GeoForAll for sharing the passion for education and Open as a
> great example of what we can all do together.
>
> Would you be willing to help revive the OSGeo Geodata Committee?  It
> would be great to hear more thoughts and ideas on this.  It does not
> seem right to dissolve the committee; in fact we want the opposite to
> occur.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Maria, Codrina, Vasile, Jeff on behalf of the OSGeo Board of Directors
>
> [1] http://www.osgeo.org/content/projects/geodata.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Journal] Ideas/inputs needed for creating a High impact OSGeo Journal

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No offense was taken Christian. It is good to see some renewed interest in
the journal. I hope things germinate and move forward. :]

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>
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>
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>>
>> Though, the Landon Black (OSGeo Journal Chair at this time) recently
>> stepped down.
>>
>>
>> See: https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/newsletter/2017-October/
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>>
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Location Intelligence conference opportunities

[Landon Blake]

Tyler,

What type of topics are you looking for? 

Landon

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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Location Intelligence conference opportunities

Is anyone interested in presenting a paper/presentation or workshop  
at the Location Intelligence conference in April?

http://www.locationintelligence.net/conference/

Please contact me and the OSGeo Visibility Committee will help  
arrange it.  We have some ideas already, but want to open it up to  
the whole community for ideas.

We need to know as soon as possible if you are interested.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Location Intelligence conference opportunities

[Landon Blake]

Thanks for the details Tyler.

I haven't had the privilege of working on very many OSGeo projects, so I
don't think this would be a good fit for me personally. I'm sure there
are other speakers on this list with this type of background.

But I'm not very far from San Francisco, so let me know if you come up
short.

Landon

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On 16-Jan-07, at 10:54 AM, Landon Blake wrote:

> Tyler,
>
> What type of topics are you looking for?

Hi Landon,

Open source geospatial talks - preferably case studies or overview of  
certain tools/technology/solutions.  First priority will go to talks  
related to OSGeo projects, but really can be open to the broader  
community as well if time/space permits.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Training Providers

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Frank,

I have set up a little side business to offer GIS training and
consulting services based around open source software, especially
OpenJUMP. I haven't really pushed it because I've been busy with some
other responsibilities, but I hope to market it more in the future.

Here is the link:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I offer training for OpenJUMP specifically, and for GIS in general.

Let me know if this is the type of thing you are looking for, and I will
add it to your wiki.

Landon

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Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:35 AM
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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Training Providers

Folks,

A question came up today in the #osgeo IRC channel about what sort of
paid training options are available around open source geospatial
technologies.  I have a vague sense that a few services companies in the
field provide this sort of thing, but I don't really know any details.

In order to get a "sense" of what is available I'd like to collect an
informal directory of some of the training options available.  I'm
thinking
primarily of the canned professional course of the half day to five day
kind you might get from professional training companies, or from
software
vendors, but focused on open source geospatial technologies.

I've setup a wiki page for this purpose, and I'd appreciate it if folks
who know of such courses to add them there.  For now this is informal,
so
feel free to add an entry "on behalf of" another organization as long as
there is some sort of web link you can provide.  If we eventually try to
formalize this and put it on the public web site we will have to make
more specific arrangements with the providers.

Wiki page at:

   http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Open_Source_Training_Providers

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Training Providers

[Landon Blake]

Frank,

I messed up the link in the previous e-mail. Sorry about that. The
correct link is:

www.redefinedhorizons.com

Landon


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Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:59 AM
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Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Training Providers

Frank,

I have set up a little side business to offer GIS training and
consulting services based around open source software, especially
OpenJUMP. I haven't really pushed it because I've been busy with some
other responsibilities, but I hope to market it more in the future.

Here is the link:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I offer training for OpenJUMP specifically, and for GIS in general.

Let me know if this is the type of thing you are looking for, and I will
add it to your wiki.

Landon

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Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:35 AM
To: OSGeo
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Training Providers

Folks,

A question came up today in the #osgeo IRC channel about what sort of
paid training options are available around open source geospatial
technologies.  I have a vague sense that a few services companies in the
field provide this sort of thing, but I don't really know any details.

In order to get a "sense" of what is available I'd like to collect an
informal directory of some of the training options available.  I'm
thinking
primarily of the canned professional course of the half day to five day
kind you might get from professional training companies, or from
software
vendors, but focused on open source geospatial technologies.

I've setup a wiki page for this purpose, and I'd appreciate it if folks
who know of such courses to add them there.  For now this is informal,
so
feel free to add an entry "on behalf of" another organization as long as
there is some sort of web link you can provide.  If we eventually try to
formalize this and put it on the public web site we will have to make
more specific arrangements with the providers.

Wiki page at:

   http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Open_Source_Training_Providers

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSCON 2007 - Call for OSGeo speakers...

[Landon Blake]

Aaron,

I might be able to swing a Friday the 27th in Portland, though I don't
think that I'll be able to attend the whole conference. I could possibly
serve as a panel speaker if you needed one, depending on the topic, and
would be willing to do a couple of hours at the booth as well.

Landon



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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSCON 2007 - Call for OSGeo speakers...

I will be organizing the OSGeo presence at OSCON this year (and guess
what,
I am already behind schedule!).  I was planning on submitting a proposal
for
a 90 minute session (hopefully for 3-4 speakers) on behalf of OSGeo as
well
as hosting a BOF again this year.  We had great interaction with the
community last year and the audience was very receptive to our cause.  I
would love to get an idea of who plans to attend and who would be
willing to
talk.  I plan on presenting and would love to get 2-3 more people,
hopefully
willing to give talks on specific projects or integration efforts.  

Please let me know ASAP as I will put in the proposal later today and
any
other names and email addresses I can mark down as speakers would be
great.
We are tentatively lined up to have a booth again this year (very
similar to
last year's event) so I will be looking to get people signed on for
"booth
duty" as well.  More to come after we get confirmation of a speaking
slot at
the end of the month.

A

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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSCON 2007

Be Heard at OSCON 2007 -- Submit Your Proposal to Lead Sessions and
Tutorials by February 5!

The O'Reilly Open Source Convention
July 23-27, 2007
Portland, Oregon
http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2007/


More than 2500 open source developers, gurus, experts and users will
gather, eager to network, learn, and share the latest knowledge on open
source software. We think of this group as "the best of the best," and 
we invite you to contribute to the more than 400 sessions and 40 
tutorials designed to build inspiration and know-how. Submit your 
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Share your favorite techniques, your proven successes, and newly 
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Databases, Desktop Applications, Web Applications (client-side and 
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be a good speaker, please pass this email on.

Whether as a speaker or as an attendee, you'll want to participate in 
this meeting of the best minds in the business, which will also include 
the O'Reilly Radar Executive Briefing. Be sure to save the dates -- July
23-27. Registration will open in early April.

We hope to see you in Portland in July!

The OSCON Team

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Google Summer of Code

[Landon Blake]

I'd be willing to help out with some of the administrative tasks if the
OSGeo decided to take this on.

The Sunburned Surveyor

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Frank Warmerdam wrote:

> Howard Butler is already doing some legwork to identify projects, and
> students around GDAL but it hadn't occured to me to utilize OSGeo as
the
> mentoring organization.  If the different projects come up with a
number
> of projects a students is it likely to be disadvantagous to have them
all
> come from one organizations (OSGeo) as opposed to spread out as
several
> different organizations submitting requests?

You will need a sponsoring organization regardless, and if your 
organization is not accepted, the whole procedure becomes moot. Most 
"unknown" sponsors got the minimum three students last time. OSGeo, as 
an umbrella, nonprofit, multi-project, organization would probably get 
quite a few more. My feeling is that on balance the community would be 
better served using OSGeo as an umbrella rather than trying to go 
individually.  What is important is that a large number of top quality 
students do work in the community.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Google Summer of Code

[Landon Blake]

H. I would have to chew on that for a little bit. 

Can you give me an idea of how much work would be involved?

I want to give a tentative yes, but I'm a little scared of over
committing myself.

Landon

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Yes, but would be be willing to help out with *all* the administrative 
tasks :) that is, to be the official Administrator.

P

Landon Blake wrote:
> I'd be willing to help out with some of the administrative tasks if
the
> OSGeo decided to take this on.
> 
> The Sunburned Surveyor
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Ramsey
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Google Summer of Code
> 
> Frank Warmerdam wrote:
> 
>> Howard Butler is already doing some legwork to identify projects, and
>> students around GDAL but it hadn't occured to me to utilize OSGeo as
> the
>> mentoring organization.  If the different projects come up with a
> number
>> of projects a students is it likely to be disadvantagous to have them
> all
>> come from one organizations (OSGeo) as opposed to spread out as
> several
>> different organizations submitting requests?
> 
> You will need a sponsoring organization regardless, and if your 
> organization is not accepted, the whole procedure becomes moot. Most 
> "unknown" sponsors got the minimum three students last time. OSGeo, as

> an umbrella, nonprofit, multi-project, organization would probably get

> quite a few more. My feeling is that on balance the community would be

> better served using OSGeo as an umbrella rather than trying to go 
> individually.  What is important is that a large number of top quality

> students do work in the community.
> 


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Google Summer of Code

[Landon Blake]

O.K. Paul.

I'll need to think about that for a couple of days.

Landon

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Landon Blake wrote:
> Can you give me an idea of how much work would be involved?

Not that much work, but somewhat continuous attention. You need to be 
available when you are needed.  Main chunks of work are:

- At the start, get together the initial submission to be an
organization.
- Get together good project ideas, weed out the bad ones, make sure that

every idea has a committed mentor available, should it be proposed and 
accepted.
- Get together a mentor pool who will evaluate submissions.
- Answer questions from students during the student proposal phase.
- Whip mentors to do their evaluations.
- Once students are selected, ensure that people are happy and 
communicating on a regular basis.
- Whip mentors to do their midterm and final evaluations.

There are some good suggestions on screening project ideas and students 
from the Mentor Summit from last year.

http://www.red-bean.com/ospowiki/MentorSummit-2006



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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Geotools-devel] Google Summer of Code

[Landon Blake]

This person would be Frank or I. I think if there were going to be
projects from the GeoTools or JUMP/OpenJUMP communities I would handle
it. Unless of course, Frank objected.

Landon (A.K.A. - The Sunburned Surveyor)

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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Geotools-devel] Google Summer of Code

Good timing - we were talking about this very topic in todays GeoTools
meeting. And arriving at a similar spot - that OSGeo would be the best
organization for the task.

What we initial need however is someone on the "admin" side to get the
OSGeo effort underway; perhaps provide a template for "ideas" and help
play match maker when the students come to call.

Is this person you?

Jody
PS. Ideas for any of these email lists are not a problem; from last
years experience I would recommend spending effort on making sure the
ideas are communicated well.
PS. CCing a bunch of lists does not work (everyone get's bounce messages
as they hit "reply-to-all", and you need to tag in the OSGeo discussion
list.

> As part of my efforts to be more active on the "open source geospatial

> community" I have agreed to help Frank Wammerdam with the Google 
> Summer of Code coordination at the OSGeo. (Thanks to Paul Ramsey for 
> some encouragement in this regard.)
>  
> I'd really like to see some GeoTools and JUMP/OpenJUMP projects make 
> it in to the Summer of Code umbrella at the OSGeo. I am willing to 
> prepare a Summer of Code proposal for a DXF reader/writer that we can 
> contribute to GeoTools and use in JUMP/OpenJUMP and UDig. I am also 
> willing to prepare a proposal to add some improvements and new 
> features to JTS. I would also mentor both projects.
>  
> However, I don't know any students enrolled in programming courses 
> that would be interested in this. I know some of my fellow 
> JUMP/OpenJUMP developers and the GeoTools developers would be in a 
> better position in this regard. If I prepare one or two of the 
> proposals I mentioned will we be able to find interested students to 
> participate?
>  
> Thanks for your help with this.
>  
> The Sunburned Surveyor
>

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Geotools-devel] Google Summer of Code

[Landon Blake]

Roger that Frank. That is the capacity I was volunteering to fill for
GeoTools and OpenJUMP.

Landon

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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Geotools-devel] Google Summer of Code

Landon Blake wrote:
> This person would be Frank or I. I think if there were going to be
> projects from the GeoTools or JUMP/OpenJUMP communities I would handle
> it. Unless of course, Frank objected.
> 
> Landon (A.K.A. - The Sunburned Surveyor)

Landon,

We need the projects to step up and prepare project proposals - and if
you
can help that effort with regard to GeoTools and associated projects
that
is great.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Google Summer of Code

[Landon Blake]

Perhaps we can devote a portion of the OSGeo Wiki that Frank set up for
Soc for projects that will participate under the OSGeo umbrella. If we
need to have our mentoring application submitted to Google within the
next 2 weeks I'd like to see this list completed by Friday of this week
so Frank and I will have some time to review and edit the application.

Landon

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Landon Blake wrote:
> As part of my efforts to be more active on the "open source
> geospatial community" I have agreed to help Frank Wammerdam with the
> Google Summer of Code coordination at the OSGeo. (Thanks to Paul
> Ramsey for some encouragement in this regard.)
> 
> I'd really like to see some GeoTools and JUMP/OpenJUMP projects make
> it in to the Summer of Code umbrella at the OSGeo. I am willing to
> prepare a Summer of Code proposal for a DXF reader/writer that we can
> contribute to GeoTools and use in JUMP/OpenJUMP and UDig. I am also
> willing to prepare a proposal to add some improvements and new
> features to JTS. I would also mentor both projects.
> 
> However, I don't know any students enrolled in programming courses
> that would be interested in this. I know some of my fellow
> JUMP/OpenJUMP developers and the GeoTools developers would be in a
> better position in this regard. If I prepare one or two of the
> proposals I mentioned will we be able to find interested students to
> participate?

At the moment we all need to figure out who will be under which umbrella

-- I would like to see OSGeo open a large umbrella and take in any open 
source geospatial projects, rather than just those which are bona fide 
OSGeo members.

Finding students won't be a problem.

The deadline for mentoring organization applications is in 2 weeks, 
looking like this:

http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60303&topic=10727

So a list needs to be put together of which groups (GeoTools, JUMP, 
Mapserver, GRASS, etc) are under OSGeo, who the potential mentors are 
for each, and a whole whack of project ideas.  Based on discussion at 
the GSoc mentor summit last year, Google would not take kindly to groups

trying to apply under more than one umbrella organization.

Cheers,
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Geotools-devel] Google Summer of Code

[Landon Blake]

Perhaps someone more experienced than I can shed some definitive light
on this, but the link sent earlier that outlined the requirements for
the mentoring application said: 

"Does your organization have an application template you would like to
see students use? If so, please provide it now."

Would this apply to Steve's question? (Perhaps we don't need to have
fully baked proposals, but a template for proposals to follow.)

Landon
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Is there a proposal template available someplace? I mean, how fully
baked would ideas
have to be at this point in time?

Steve

>>> Frank Warmerdam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2/26/2007 5:37:11 PM >>>
Landon Blake wrote:
> This person would be Frank or I. I think if there were going to be
> projects from the GeoTools or JUMP/OpenJUMP communities I would
handle
> it. Unless of course, Frank objected.
> 
> Landon (A.K.A. - The Sunburned Surveyor)

Landon,

We need the projects to step up and prepare project proposals - and if
you
can help that effort with regard to GeoTools and associated projects
that
is great.

Best regards,
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Call for volunteers - Newsletter production team

[Landon Blake]

Tyler,

We had talked earlier about having me write some short articles on
topology and spatial relationships. I noticed the newsletter will also
have a spot for some programming tutorials. If you would like I can
couple my articles on spatial relationships with some tutorials on the
use of JTS, the open source Java Geometry Library. This would allow me
to cover the "concept" in one part of the article, and to cover the
"application" in another part.

I might also be able to review some of the other programming tutorials.
I'm not an expert in languages like C++, but I'm familiar with basic
programming concepts and can check the articles for basic readability.

I don't know much about LaTex, but I have used Scribus. If we ever
decide to move the newsletter to Scribus I could help with the layout
and graphical production.

Landon

P.S. - The GRASS Newsletter looked pretty extensive. Might it be better
to start of with something slightly smaller? Maybe we could shoot for
something with a news section and just 4 or 5 articles. I'd hate to se
us get overwhelmed from the start.

This is just a suggestion. :]

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Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:49 AM
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Cc: Martin Wegmann
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Call for volunteers - Newsletter production
team

Hi all,
As you may be aware, last year the GRASS News production team offered  
to transition their great production into a brand new OSGeo  
Newsletter.  Although branded as OSGeo, all open source projects are  
welcome to be part of it.

For those of you who are unfamiliar with the last volume done under  
the GRASS name, have a look at this:
http://osgeo.org/files/news/GRASS_OSGeo_News_vol4.pdf (5.3MB).  As  
you can see it is much more than just some news clippings!

Well, now is the time to get a new team together to help make a great  
production.  You are invited to be part of that team!  Want some  
exercise for your writing skills?  Would you like to get some more  
exposure for your project?  Want to learn the ins and outs of some  
publication software?  Or do you just want to help spread the word  
about some projects or case studies that you love?

There are several positions available for any volunteer who would  
help to coordinate collecting articles, writing content, reviewing  
content, helping with layout or graphics, and more.  Want to sign up  
just for one volume or to test the waters first?  That is fine too.

Please see the Newsletter wiki page for a list of open positions and  
categories for content that need editors:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Newsletter

If you have any ideas, reservations, comments, questions or concerns  
please just let me or Martin (cc'd) know!  As we will all work as a  
team, please do not be shy about your interests, even if you are  
going to need some help getting started.

After the team is gathered and production deadlines are finalised,  
then we will make a more general call for contributors.  If you  
already have something that you would like to contribute, you are  
welcome to sign up now on the page:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Newsletter_Volume_1

Hope you will join us in putting this together!

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Call for volunteers - Newsletter production team

[Landon Blake]

Tyler,

I have added my reviewer information and listed myself as the
"temporary" editor for the programming tutorials to the wiki page for
the OSGeo newsletter:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Newsletter#Reviewers

Most of my experience is with higher-level languages, so I'll step aside
as editor when we get a more capable programmer to volunteer. :] 

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[OSGeo-Discuss] A little help with the Google SoC Application

[Landon Blake]

Frank filled in most of the answers for our Mentoring application here:

 

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/2007_Google_SoC_Application

 

However, it looks like he and I could use some suggestions for question
#14, "What is your plan for dealing with disappearing students?".

 

Thanks,

 

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[OSGeo-Discuss] 2007 Google Summer of Code (Student Project Ideas List)

[Landon Blake]

I am going to try and help Frank get our ideas list for Google's 2007
Summer of Code wrapped up by the end of the week. I know that the
participating projects have already done a lot of this work here:

 

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code

 

However, I was hoping I could request some assistance from the
participating projects so that I can get a finalized list put together.
I'd like to ask if each of the participating projects could e-mail me a
text file with the following information for each student project idea:

 

[1] The name of the Student Project Idea.

[2] The mentor that will be assigned to the project if it is accepted by
Google. I think we want something definite here. Not "possible mentor"
or "suggested mentor". I think the projects need to get this nailed
down.

[3] A brief, one or two paragraph, description of the Student Project
Idea. It is important to remember that the students reviewing these idea
lists may not be GIS or programming experts, or experts on your
particular software, so be careful about your use of technical terms and
jargon. Please also do not send a link to another web page that contains
the description of the student project idea. I'd like to have this
information self-contained in the text file.  You can include links to
technical specifications or other information that applies to the
Student Project Idea and that the student may find helpful in
considering the project.

[4] The contact information for a person the student can talk to for
more information about a Student Project Idea.

 

One of the reasons we'd like to do this is to encourage participating
projects to really look at their own Student Project Ideas list so they
can tie up any loose ends. We really appreciate each of the
participating projects taking the time to do this.

 

I will review each submitted lists to check for things like spelling and
grammar errors, broken hyperlinks, and for things that just don't make
sense. I'll try to approach this review from the perspective of a
student, and will direct the questions about the Student Project Idea
description to the appropriate participating project. We prefer to have
a short list of well-thought out Student Project Ideas with few errors,
rather than a long list of confusing or unclear Student Project Ideas
with lots of mistakes and errors.

 

Thanks,

 

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Requesting an article review...

[Landon Blake]

I am working on an article that will introduce readers to the topic of
spatial relationships for the first issue of the OSGeo Newsletter. I was
hoping I might find someone that would be willing to do a brief review
of the article before I submitted it. The article will be short,
probably only 2 or 3 typed pages, and the review won't take long.

 

If you are interested in helping me out with this you can just send me a
quick e-mail. I am going to try to have the article complete by the end
of the week.

 

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] 2007 Google Summer of Code (Student Project IdeasList)

[Landon Blake]

Perhaps I am out of the loop on this one. I did exchange e-mails with
Frank this morning, and he said that I could move forward. I will
contact him again to clarify, perhaps I misunderstood his instructions.

What you said about matching a mentor based on student location makes
some sense.

I apologize to all on the list if I am nagging about something that has
already been taken care of.

Landon

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jody Garnett
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:03 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] 2007 Google Summer of Code (Student Project
IdeasList)

I think you are a bit late to be asking this one; we rounded up ideas 
last week ... and the request was for possible mentor.

Matching up student with mentor is as much a game of timezone, common 
spoken language as it is knowledge. For projects such as GeoTools, uDig,

GeoServer the contact information is the same (seek yee the developers 
list) ...

Let's try this again, on #osgeo
Jody

Landon Blake wrote:
>
> I am going to try and help Frank get our ideas list for Google's 2007 
> Summer of Code wrapped up by the end of the week. I know that the 
> participating projects have already done a lot of this work here:
>
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code
>
> However, I was hoping I could request some assistance from the 
> participating projects so that I can get a finalized list put 
> together. I'd like to ask if each of the participating projects could 
> e-mail me a text file with the following information for each student 
> project idea:
>
> [1] The name of the Student Project Idea.
>
> [2] The mentor that will be assigned to the project if it is accepted 
> by Google. I think we want something definite here. Not "possible 
> mentor" or "suggested mentor". I think the projects need to get this 
> nailed down.
>
> [3] A brief, one or two paragraph, description of the Student Project 
> Idea. It is important to remember that the students reviewing these 
> idea lists may not be GIS or programming experts, or experts on your 
> particular software, so be careful about your use of technical terms 
> and jargon. Please also do not send a link to another web page that 
> contains the description of the student project idea. I'd like to have

> this information self-contained in the text file. You can include 
> links to technical specifications or other information that applies to

> the Student Project Idea and that the student may find helpful in 
> considering the project.
>
> [4] The contact information for a person the student can talk to for 
> more information about a Student Project Idea.
>
> One of the reasons we'd like to do this is to encourage participating 
> projects to really look at their own Student Project Ideas list so 
> they can tie up any loose ends. We really appreciate each of the 
> participating projects taking the time to do this.
>
> I will review each submitted lists to check for things like spelling 
> and grammar errors, broken hyperlinks, and for things that just don't 
> make sense. I'll try to approach this review from the perspective of a

> student, and will direct the questions about the Student Project Idea 
> description to the appropriate participating project. We prefer to 
> have a short list of well-thought out Student Project Ideas with few 
> errors, rather than a long list of confusing or unclear Student 
> Project Ideas with lots of mistakes and errors.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Landon (A.K.A. - The Sunburned Surveyor)
>
>
>
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] 2007 Google Summer of Code (StudentProject IdeasList)

[Landon Blake]

Thanks for that clarification Jody. As you can see, I don't have a great
understanding about how GeoTools works. I was mainly trying to help
Frank complete the next step in the process. Now that I have a better
understanding of the purpose for the ideas list I will get back in touch
with Frank to see what I can do next.

Thanks for you patient assistance.

Landon

P.S. - I think I have successfully installed Chatzilla and logged onto
the geotools IRC channel. What time is the meeting supposed to start?



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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] 2007 Google Summer of Code (StudentProject
IdeasList)

For clarification  .. the ideas pages are kind of useless IMHO. They are

not the point ...

They are mostly there to inspire students; and give an impression of 
what kinds of topics each project likes to play with. The great part 
about SoC last year
was the students ideas (after all we are interested in "new blood" here,

rather then pet projects the community has not had time to build itself 
yet).

Having a list of potential mentors for students is the goal; if a 
potential mentor wants to put there name down next to an idea they may 
attract a discussion. Indeed when we evaluated student proposals we 
tended to score lower students that just copied and pasted ideas from 
our own list (students that picked the ideas and took them out on the 
town tended to do better).

Cheers,
Jody
> Perhaps I am out of the loop on this one. I did exchange e-mails with
> Frank this morning, and he said that I could move forward. I will
> contact him again to clarify, perhaps I misunderstood his
instructions.
>
> What you said about matching a mentor based on student location makes
> some sense.
>
> I apologize to all on the list if I am nagging about something that
has
> already been taken care of.
>
> Landon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jody Garnett
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:03 PM
> To: OSGeo Discussions
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] 2007 Google Summer of Code (Student
Project
> IdeasList)
>
> I think you are a bit late to be asking this one; we rounded up ideas 
> last week ... and the request was for possible mentor.
>
> Matching up student with mentor is as much a game of timezone, common 
> spoken language as it is knowledge. For projects such as GeoTools,
uDig,
>
> GeoServer the contact information is the same (seek yee the developers

> list) ...
>
> Let's try this again, on #osgeo
> Jody
>
> Landon Blake wrote:
>   
>> I am going to try and help Frank get our ideas list for Google's 2007

>> Summer of Code wrapped up by the end of the week. I know that the 
>> participating projects have already done a lot of this work here:
>>
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code
>>
>> However, I was hoping I could request some assistance from the 
>> participating projects so that I can get a finalized list put 
>> together. I'd like to ask if each of the participating projects could

>> e-mail me a text file with the following information for each student

>> project idea:
>>
>> [1] The name of the Student Project Idea.
>>
>> [2] The mentor that will be assigned to the project if it is accepted

>> by Google. I think we want something definite here. Not "possible 
>> mentor" or "suggested mentor". I think the projects need to get this 
>> nailed down.
>>
>> [3] A brief, one or two paragraph, description of the Student Project

>> Idea. It is important to remember that the students reviewing these 
>> idea lists may not be GIS or programming experts, or experts on your 
>> particular software, so be careful about your use of technical terms 
>> and jargon. Please also do not send a link to another web page that 
>> contains the description of the student project idea. I'd like to
have
>> 
>
>   
>> this information self-contained in the text file. You can include 
>> links to technical specifications or other information that applies
to
>> 
>
>   
>> the Student Project Idea and that the student may find helpful in 
>> considering the project.
>>
>> [4] The contact information for a person the student can talk to for 
>> more information about a Student Project Idea.
>>
>> One of the reasons we'd like to do this is to encourage participating

>> projects to really look at their own Student Project Ideas list so 
>> they can tie up any loose ends. We really appreciate each of the

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Promoting freely available geodata

[Landon Blake]

Tim,

Might the OSGeo be able to partner with this organization on some level?
http://www.opendataconsortium.org/

I think there goals are the same on this topic, at least in the area we
have been discussing. I can provide a contact I have made with the group
previously if desired.

Landon

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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Promoting freely available geodata

On of the aims of OSGeo is the promotion of open geodata.  From
conversations I've had with various people over time it appears one of
the difficulties data providers may have with this is licensing.
There's no obvious candidate license for open geodata.  Do we need
something like OSI approved licenses for geodata?  Are there any
existing OSI licenses that suit?  If so, we should be pointing to them.
Do we need input from those with a legal clue?  Should we be talking to
OSI about this?

Just thought I'd raise the issue and see what others think.

Tim Bowden

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Libre Graphics Meeting - Montreal, May 4-6

[Landon Blake]

FYI,

OpenJUMP can import ESRI Shapefiles and has some limited ability to
export SVG. I believe some of our users are using this feature and
Inkscape to produce maps. 

I hope to revisit OpenJUMP's SVG export abilities in the next year.

Landon

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On 4/6/07, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was talking to some folks involved with the Libre Graphics Meeting
> (below) and I think it'd be interesting to try to find some synergies
> between our geospatial visualisation needs and their applications:
> Blender, GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, Scribus.  We all know map production
> is near and dear to our hearts and similar concepts are to theirs
> too.  It'd be great if someone could go and do a presentation about
> our perspective on graphics with geo on the brain.

A long time ago, another life, another place, I used a product called
Mapublisher made by a Canadian company called Avenza. A plugin for
Adobe Illustrator, t allowed me to import shapefiles into Illustrator
and create nice looking posters/graphics, basically bypass the
limitations of Arcview or of cutting and pasting bitmaps. Slick idea,
it was.

I believe Deneba's Canvas (or whatever the company is called now) does
that as well. Having the ability to import shapefiles into Inkscape (a
really fun product) would be very nice.

.
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RE: [Geodata] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Promoting freely available geodata

[Landon Blake]

Thanks for that Link Michael.

It will be useful.

Landon

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Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:38 AM
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Subject: RE: [Geodata] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Promoting freely available geodata

More from the Canadian perspective -  the GeoConnections program policy group 
has produced a "Best Practices Guide" for licensing of geospatial data which 
might help to inform the debate:
http://www.geoconnections.org/publications/Best_practices_guide/Guide_to_Best_Practices_v12_finale_e.pdf

It provides a good overview of the background issues and proposes 3 types of 
licences to standardize on: unrestricted-use with licence acknowledgement 
(click-through), an "end-user" licence and a distributor licence.  

Michael Adair
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> Subject: Re: [Geodata] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Promoting freely 
> available geodata
> 
> Jason Birch wrote:
> > I'm sure that most of you have seen this, but these two free data 
> > resources (provincial and federal Canadian governements) are both 
> > employing a form of copyleft:
> 
> > Kamloops (Canadian municipality) takes an interesting approach.
> 
> Given the interest, maybe the 'OSGeo people' who are already 
> involved could organize a BOF session, and also do some 
> presentations. If there are 'local' resources such as 
> Canadian municipal/provincial/federal managers(or perhaps 
> even better, people from their legal departments) who could 
> attend, then perhaps they could also participate in the 
> BOF/presentations. Also, maybe there are lawyers who are 
> local(e.g. Victoria or BC) any who have some interest or 
> expertise who could attend - even if their perspective is 
> based on Canadian law, it might still help illuminate the discussions.
> 
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Fwd: [Imendio Announce] GNOME Mobile And EmbeddedInitiative Announced]

[Landon Blake]

I didn't see a mailing list for this on GNOME. Is it at another site?

Landon

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I'd imagine this would be of interest to those working on mobile 
Geospatial applications. You might want to join their email lists and 
introduce them to OSGeo.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Commercial Support for the OSGeo Stack

[Landon Blake]

Cameron,

Are you encouraging individual developers and companies to offer
commercial support for the OSGeo stack? Are you encouraging the OSGeo to
offer these services or to have some role in providing them?

I think you are correct when you state that the availability of
commercial services that support the OSGeo stack would increase their
adoption.

I'm a little unclear about what role the OSGeo would play in this. Would
it certify or recommend service providers? I think we should be careful
about involving the OSGeo to deeply in any venture that would involve
the exchange of money. Money seems to bring out the worst in people. :]

Landon (A.K.A. - The Sunburned Surveyor)

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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:28 PM
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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Commercial Support for the OSGeo Stack

I've just written the following blog about providing support for the 
OSGeo Stack. Comments welcomed.

http://terrapagestech.blogspot.com/2007/04/commercial-support-for-open-s
ource.html

Overview
In this article I argue that commercial support for Open Source 
Geospatial Software will increase its use and I propose how we as a 
community should structure ourselves to provide the support.
Background
Open Source Geospatial Software is maturing is breaking into broader 
industry adoption. We have:

   1. Robust, stable high performance software components,
   2. Strong Standards compliance and integration between components,
   3. The OSGeo Foundation , an umbrella organization
  providing cross project and community links and standards for
  organization and quality.

However, there are still things we can do to increase adoption of our 
products from enterprise customers:

   1. Make installation of the Open Source Geospatial Stack easier.
  Users often need to install a number of different software
  packages and their dependencies, all from different sources, in
  order to deploy a Geospatial solution.
   2. Improve our documentation.
   3. Offer dependable and timely support. This is what I shall be
  focusing on in this article.

Why pay for support?

OSGeo projects have a community of people providing extensive support 
via email lists and IRC for free! And while developers may accept 
payment for their advice, many have also stated their intent to continue

providing feel support. So why pay?
Lets study a typical user's experience. The user installs ~ 3 packages, 
configures and sometimes extends some components. The user runs into 
glitches and requests help. Each support request involves ~ 5 emails, 
often with up to a one day turnaround. Some responses would be to point 
the user to another email list. Sometimes the user's question requires a

lot of debugging and volunteers don't answer or take their time 
answering. The user is delayed, or forced to fend on their own. The 
user's key problems are:

   1. Schedule Slip due to long support cycles.
   2. Schedule Risk due to unpredictability of response times.
   3. Budget Risk due to unknown support and customization costs.

Why offer support?
Support contracts are relatively small, have high response requirements 
which impact internal schedules, and there is a high risk that customers

will overwhelm any fixed price contract. Why offer this service?

   1. It is a good lead generator for larger consulting work. A company
  that offers support is likely to understand the products they
support.
   2. The OSGeo community as a whole will benefit from the increased
  number of financial users which are attracted to using our
products.

Support Products
Below is a list of proposed products we should offer to match the 
support requirements:
Development Contracts
Hire a developer to add functionality or customize an existing product. 
This could be fixed price or hired per hour.
There are already a number of people doing this. Value could be added by

offering a head hunter service which finds quality developers for users.
Single Product, Second Tier Support
Offer second tier support for a fixed number of hours with guaranteed 
response times for one product. Support will generally be provided by 
email or IRC and offered internationally, so response times will usually

be one working day. This will typically be provided by respected 
developers of the product.
Local, Multiple Product, First Tier Support
Offer local, first tier phone support for multiple products as an annual

fixed price service. This will generally be provided by local companies 
who have general knowledge of these products and can answer 80% of 
queries. These companies would engage Second Tier Support contracts to 
answer difficult questions.
"We offer local support with international backing."
References
OSGeo . The Open Source Geospatial Foundation is an 
umbrella organization for the key Open Source Geospatial pr

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Liability protection project - call forparticipants

[Landon Blake]

Some time ago I had registered the SurveyOS Project with the Software
Freedom Conservancy. (http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org/overview/)
The services they offered my project included legal protection and
pursuit of license and trademark violations.

I think this is very similar to what Bruce Perens and Frank are speaking
of.

I have found that the staff at the Free Software Conservancy fails to
respond to most of my e-mails, which is very frustrating. It was really
an idea and an organization that I wanted to support and work with.

I think it would be great if the OSGeo could participate in a similar
organization.

Landon (A.K.A. The Sunburned Surveyor)

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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Liability protection project - call
forparticipants

Allan Doyle wrote:
> Thanks for bringing this to our attention, it's a topic that has
renewed 
> relevance.
> 
>  From the sound of it, OSGeo itself has too many eggs in its basket to

> risk having them broken by providing a shield. 

Allan,

Well, this is a concern at least.  I still think OSGeo *might* be
the appropriate organization to serve as a liability shield for
developers on OSGeo projects.  But as a director I am also quite
nervous about taking on liability for the organization, and I can't
help but think about what would happen to various OSGeo efforts if
the foundation was sucked under in a big legal battle.

The reason I suspect OSGeo may be the right organization is that it
already has established a reporting structure and rules around what
constitutes appropriate contribution to foundation projects.  By that
measure I think we are already "directing" in the sense that Bruce
mentions.

 > But that ought not stop
> geo-foss developers from either joining up with Bruce's idea or from 
> setting up a geo-clone of that idea.
 >
> Ideally, the legal issues would only have to be worked out once, and 
> everyone who wanted could join the "shield". There's nothing
inherently 
> different about geo in this case, is there?

I do not believe there is anything special about geo.

For now I'm mainly watching with interest - especially I'm looking
forward
to seeing what some real lawyers at the Software Freedom Law Center have
to
say about the topic.  I doubt that we should be doing much in the
meantime
other than expressing interest to Bruce if we think this is an important
thing to do.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Journal Now Available

[Landon Blake]

Dan,

This is a very interesting idea. I am curious about how would we decide the 
qualifications of the article reviewers, or on those submitting, "scientific" 
articles to the OSGeo Journal.

I'm loathe to impose the restrictions of university education on participation 
in the OSGeo Journal at any level. I believe there a lot of individuals 
involved in geospatial technology at an every day, hands on, and "dirty" level. 
I believe the availability of open source code in the geospatial arena is part 
of what makes this possible. I think a lot of people become involved in open 
source GIS as only a minor part of what they do. I don't want to isolate those 
types of individuals.

As an example, I have no university degree, but I consider myself an active 
participant in open source geospatial technology. This is despite the fact that 
it plays only a minor role in my day job.

I think of our goals with the journal is to appeal to a broad audience. My only 
concern with this idea is that the OSGeo Journal would become a publication 
that was exclusive to those from Academia. There is a lot of great work being 
done in the trenches. 

As long as we are flexible about who we allow to contribute and review articles 
I would support this idea.

Landon (A.K.A. The Sunburned Surveyor)

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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Journal Now Available

This may be a good time to mention a thread that Tyler and I discussed
a month ago with respect to the OSGeo Journal.

I suggested that we explore the option of having 2-4 peer reviewed
science type journal articles in future editions in addition to the
project updates and other types of articles, and I volunteered to help
coordinate the peer-review process. I'd be interested to know what
others think of this.  Would anyone else find it useful to have a
FOSS4G oriented  peer-reviewed journal article outlet? Anyone else to
volunteer for a peer review process? (Tyler are you still interested
in this idea?) - Dan

On 5/16/07, Paulo Marcondes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2007/5/16, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > On 15-May-07, at 1:06 PM, Helton Uchoa wrote:
> >
> > > Is there any information about permission for publish in another
> > > language?
> >
> > Good question.  Before I tackle the republishing rights question, I'd
> > like to know if there are any others out there who are hoping to
> > translate some/all of the Journal?
>
> I think I can work together with Helton in the Portuguese translation.
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Journal Now Available

[Landon Blake]

This sounds good to me Dan. I'd also be willing to help out with this effort at 
the Journal, at least a little. :] So you can put me down on your list.

Landon

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Hey Landon and others, thanks for the good discussion points. I guess
this topic should probably move to the newsletter discussion list, but
I wanted to mention here that I totally agree that this shouldn't be
just an academic issue. Rather it could be a great way for lots of
kinds of FOSS4G research and development work that needs a publication
outlet - from anyone regardless of affiliation. I told Tyler a few
weeks ago that I'd put together a draft summary of the idea including
scope, approach, etc. So I'll take a shot at this and notify the
newsletter list when its up on the wiki somewhere. Thanks all. - Dan

On 5/16/07, Landon Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dan,
>
> This is a very interesting idea. I am curious about how would we decide the
> qualifications of the article reviewers, or on those submitting,
> "scientific" articles to the OSGeo Journal.
>
> I'm loathe to impose the restrictions of university education on
> participation in the OSGeo Journal at any level. I believe there a lot of
> individuals involved in geospatial technology at an every day, hands on, and
> "dirty" level. I believe the availability of open source code in the
> geospatial arena is part of what makes this possible. I think a lot of
> people become involved in open source GIS as only a minor part of what they
> do. I don't want to isolate those types of individuals.
>
> As an example, I have no university degree, but I consider myself an active
> participant in open source geospatial technology. This is despite the fact
> that it plays only a minor role in my day job.
>
> I think of our goals with the journal is to appeal to a broad audience. My
> only concern with this idea is that the OSGeo Journal would become a
> publication that was exclusive to those from Academia. There is a lot of
> great work being done in the trenches.
>
> As long as we are flexible about who we allow to contribute and review
> articles I would support this idea.
>
> Landon (A.K.A. The Sunburned Surveyor)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Ames
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:13 AM
> To: OSGeo Discussions
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Journal Now Available
>
> This may be a good time to mention a thread that Tyler and I discussed
> a month ago with respect to the OSGeo Journal.
>
> I suggested that we explore the option of having 2-4 peer reviewed
> science type journal articles in future editions in addition to the
> project updates and other types of articles, and I volunteered to help
> coordinate the peer-review process. I'd be interested to know what
> others think of this.  Would anyone else find it useful to have a
> FOSS4G oriented  peer-reviewed journal article outlet? Anyone else to
> volunteer for a peer review process? (Tyler are you still interested
> in this idea?) - Dan
>
> On 5/16/07, Paulo Marcondes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 2007/5/16, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > On 15-May-07, at 1:06 PM, Helton Uchoa wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is there any information about permission for publish in another
> > > > language?
> > >
> > > Good question.  Before I tackle the republishing rights question, I'd
> > > like to know if there are any others out there who are hoping to
> > > translate some/all of the Journal?
> >
> > I think I can work together with Helton in the Portuguese translation.
> > --
> > Paulo Marcondes = PU1/PU2PIX
> > -22.915 -42.224 = GG86jc
> > Debian GNU/Linux = http://rj.debianbrasil.org = http://www.debian.org
> > http://www.kombato.org - Seja seu próprio guarda-costas
> >
>
>
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> Idaho State University
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] material of support for geodesic studies

[Landon Blake]

Ronny,

 

We need you to be a little more specific. These types of e-mails don't produce 
results very often. Most of us are too busy to try and do your work for you. (I 
was feeling generous today.) :]

 

Are you conducting a study for a business? Are you a student working on a 
project? What specific types of questions are you trying to answer? Do you have 
questions about open source GIS, or just GIS in general? 

 

Landon

 



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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] material of support for geodesic studies

 

Hi,
I am looking for material of support for geodesic studies and would like knows 
of this group on you emend, softwares and sites

Thank

  



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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Windows verse Linux

[Landon Blake]

Gary,

I haven't done a lot with "web GIS" so take what I am about to say with
several grains of salt. :]

If you aren't using PostgreSQL right now, but will be after the move to
Linux, I think this is a definite improvement. PostgreSQL is the most
advanced open source database that I have found, and nothing in the open
source world beats PostGIS for "spatially enabling" a database.

I looked into this some months ago. I didn't find any other open source
database, not even MySQL, that allowed for customization and tweaking
like PostgreSQL did.

Besides, the folks at Refractions Research, who maintain PostGIS, are
quite helpful.

Also, if you will be starting out with PostgreSQL and Linux some of my
old notes might be helpful:

http://bluwiki.com/go/PostgreSQL_Tips_From_The_Sunburned_Surveyor

Landon

P.S. - You can use PostgreSQL and PostGIS on MS Windows of course, but
it would be an advantage of moving to Linux. 

PostGIS is really an extension to PostgreSQL, not a "front end". 
If you are looking for a graphical front end to PostGIS that you can use
as an administrator, check out pgAdminIII.

http://www.pgadmin.org/


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Hi everyone

I need advice from the experts

I am running Windows Server 2003 with Apache and Mapserver.
I currently have 9 sites running Mapserver 

The Center wants to move to Linux from SGI

I want to run

Mapserver with dbox (Steve, dbox run on Linux?)
Mapserver as WMS feed to MapBuilder.

On the database side is it 
1. PostGIS or PostgreSQL 
2. PostGIS and PostgreSQL (think I have to run PostGIS as front to
PostgreSQL).

Question: 
What do I gain by going to Linux?
What do I gain by staying in a Windows Environment?

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Windows verse Linux

[Landon Blake]

> What do I gain by going to Linux?
To mention a few items, stability, security, actual server-oriented OS,
flexibility, easy scalability, open and flexible license, independence
(free as in freedom), knowledge

> What do I gain by staying in a Windows Environment?
Maybe a nice and easy to use GUI

That was a good summary! I don't think you can say it better.

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Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Windows verse Linux

On 6/19/07, Gary Watry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> I need advice from the experts
>
> I am running Windows Server 2003 with Apache and Mapserver.
> I currently have 9 sites running Mapserver
>
> The Center wants to move to Linux from SGI
>
> I want to run
>
> Mapserver with dbox (Steve, dbox run on Linux?)
> Mapserver as WMS feed to MapBuilder.
>
> On the database side is it
> 1. PostGIS or PostgreSQL
> 2. PostGIS and PostgreSQL (think I have to run PostGIS as front to
> PostgreSQL).
PostGIS is a PostgreSQL extension, is not a front and is not an engine
itself.
You will have PostgreSQL databases which you can turn into GIS
databases by PostGIS extension.

>
> Question:
> What do I gain by going to Linux?
To mention a few items, stability, security, actual server-oriented
OS, flexibility, easy scalability, open and flexible license,
independence (free as in freedom), knowledge

> What do I gain by staying in a Windows Environment?
Maybe a nice and easy to use GUI

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] making a living with OS geo software

[Landon Blake]

Pierre,

 

I think there are basically two or three approaches you can take. 

 

[1] Go "specialized" and focus on one or two related open source GIS
applications. Then focus on offering training and support for those
products.

 

[2] Take a more "jack of all trades" approach, and offer more general
consulting services for organizations exploring open source geospatial
solutions.

 

[3] Focus not on a specific piece of software, but on a particular
application of GIS. For example, become an expert in parcel management
with GIS, or fleet tracking with GIS, or precision agriculture with GIS,
or...

 

I personally think you'll be more successful with the first or third
approach. Gain expertise in a particular niche and your reputation for
expertise will bring you business.

 

I'd like to do the same thing that you have discussed at some point in
the future, at least on a part time basis. If you would like you can
contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I can discuss some of the
ideas I had for starting a similar type of enterprise.

 

Landon

 

P.S. - If you don't know any programming start learning now. You are
going to need it.

 



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Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:47 AM
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] making a living with OS geo software

 

Hi,

I just lost my job. I've learned some geospatial stuff. Mapserver,
mapscript, Chameleon, postgis and recently OpenLayers at a university. I
was wondering, since I'd like to go freelance, what's working
(professionally wise) and in what direction I should orient myself as to
make a little cash - enough to make a living without having to cope with
the laborious collateral stuff usually associated with a regular job


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Software Standards - The Ugly Truth

[Landon Blake]

I'm sending this to GeoWanking and OSGeo discuss, so I apologize in
advance if your inbox gets hit with it twice. :]

 

I've written a blog post on the OpenJUMP blog about some of the
problems with software standards.

I imagine this post will make some people upset, but I think it raises
some valid points. I don't think that everyone involved in open source
GIS will agree with me, but I think I identify some problems with the
love of standards that our of particular interest to our community.
(In a way that isn't of interest to those that develop closed-source
GIS programs.)

At any rate, the post is a long one, so if you do read it give
yourself 5 or 10 minutes. Before you flame me remember that I'm just a
surveyor that has seen too much sun, and that my opinion doesn't count
for a whole lot in the big scheme of things. :]

You can read the post here:

http://openjump.blogspot.com/

The Sunburned Surveyor

 

 

 



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[OSGeo-Discuss] Follow Up To "Standards - An Ugly Truth"

[Landon Blake]

I can see that I hit a chord with my post about software standards, and
that if nothing else,I generated some good discussion. I hope the end
result of this discussion will be positive. At best we will find
consensus on some issues and will be able to work on improving things.
At worst I hope we will have a better understanding of the different
perspectives on software standards.

 

I'm afraid that I won't be able to individually respond to all of the
e-mails that I got with comments on my post. There where at least 20 of
them, and several were sent to me off the list as well. I will try to
read through the messages and respond to the some of the points that
were made on my blog. I agreed with many of these points and disagreed
with a few. I also changed my opinion on a couple of the issues after
reading several of the comments, which I think is a great.

 

I'm almost afraid to blog anymore on these topics, after realizing how
narrow my own perspective can be.

 

Thank you to all for taking the time to read the post and for taking the
time to make well-though responses. I appreciate being a member of these
communities.

 

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO & OGC spec development

[Landon Blake]

One of my biggest problems with the OGC is the lack of a practical membership 
avenue for open source projects and/or programmers. I think it would be great 
if the OSGeo or some of its participating projects could serve as a vehicle 
that would allow for more participation by the open source community in OGC 
standard development.

 

The Sunburned Surveyor

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeroen Ticheler
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:12 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO & OGC spec development

 

Hi all,

Last week I attended the Open Geospatial Consortium Technical Committee 
(OGC-TC) meeting in Paris. 

 

For those not to familiar with this meeting, it consists of a series of Working 
Group (WG) meetings that mostly run around the development of specifications 
(or standards if you wish) dealing with geo-informatics. The most prominent 
specifications coming from OGC are Web Map Service (WMS), Web Feature Service 
(WFS) and Geographic Markup Language (GML). There's a whole list of other specs 
available or under development. OSGEO projects work with a substantial number 
of them. See http://www.opengeospatial org for more details.

 

With this email I would like to touch upon two issues that I think are relevant 
to OSGEO. I hope bringing this up can trigger some discussion on how OSGEO 
would best benefit from the OGC spec development process:

 

1- Discussions related to Google's KML and Web Map Context

2- Discussions related to a Tiled Web Map Service specifications

 

There was discussion on the possibility that KML becomes an OGC specification 
and, more importantly, that it could be used to replace the wining Web Map 
Context (WMC) specification. A number of OSGEO projects use the Styled Layer 
Descriptors (SLD (symbology)) specification and the WMC. There's a great deal 
of overlap between these and KML. It is likely in the interest of these 
projects to share their experience with OGC and see some of that reflected in 
future OGC specs.

 

There was also discussion about a new Tiled WMS specification. Such spec can 
have different forms, and could be conceived as a new spec or as an extension 
(or application profile) of a Web Map Service. Two approaches were presented 
and two other approaches were mentioned, among which the approach taken within 
the OSGEO community.

 

Observing these discussions, my impression is that OSGEO has an important role 
to play in the further development of these OGC specs. We can obviously take 
the easy route and let OGC go its way. We could than come up with in-house, 
open specifications that will compete with OGC specs still under development. 
The development of the specs is likely to be quicker than going through OGC. 
However, I feel that with limited effort by the community we can have a very 
positive influence on the OGC spec development. We can make sure experiences in 
OSGEO are reflected in the OGC specs. The WMS-T is an obvious example of this. 
It was kind of frustrating to not see that experience properly represented at 
the WMS-WG. 

 

OSGEO is very young still, so frustration is not an expression of 
dissatisfaction in this case :-) rather, I think it might be time to establish 
a way to formally represent OSGEO in OGC. This could be through those OSGEO 
members that already hold a TC level membership to OGC (the logical first step 
I would think) and later possibly through a direct OSGEO TC Membership to OGC. 
Also, we could consider a focal point in OSGEO where specification development 
is discussed and coordinated. This may have the form of a Committee for 
instance. I'm hesitant to propose new Committees, but if there's enough 
interest to have a central coordination point dealing with standards and specs, 
it may make sense :-)

 

Greetings from Rome,

Jeroen

 

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO & OGC spec development

[Landon Blake]

It appears that some of my concerns about problems with OGC membership
remain in place. I'm disappointed to learn that non-members are no
longer allowed to join in the discussion.

The individual membership option also presents challenges for some open
source developers like myself, who have a day job that doesn't pay for
their involvement in an open source project, or for any type of
programming. I know $400.00 doesn't sound like a lot, but you probably
haven't tried asking my wife to write that check either. :]

Raj wrote: " You can qualify if no one else (such as a full-time
employer) has legal rights to all your work."

I imagine this could also present some problems for some of our OSGeo
members.

In the end, I think the OSGeo membership system is far superior to the
one at the OGC. It is based on participation and qualifications, not on
money. It is one of the main reasons I try to be involved at some level
in this organization, and not at any level in the other one. :]

Perhaps the OSGeo could approach the OGC about some form of alternative
membership system for open source projects. I hate to see the open
source community excluded from the standards development process. I
really think everyone could benefit if our voices were included.

Then again, this may not bother other people like it bothers me. So I'll
stop my complaining now. :]

The Sunburned Surveyor

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Raj Singh
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:28 PM
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But there is now officially an individual membership category. Info  
isn't up on the web site yet, but I think its $400/year. You can  
qualify if no one else (such as a full-time employer) has legal  
rights to all your work.



On Jul 17, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Paul Ramsey wrote:

> That's not an option any more, only members and prospective members  
> may attend TC henceforth.
>
> Ian Turton wrote:
>
>> You could also just attend the meetings as a non-member as Paul  
>> Ramsey
>> does sometimes, or just ask some of us who do go to meetings to make
>> your points for you.
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO & OGC spec development

[Landon Blake]

What if we kept the standards discussion on this general mailing list, but set 
up a little page on the wiki where we could keep some more permanent notes.

The Sunburned Surveyor

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P Kishor
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:18 AM
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Lorenzo,

Might I ask, what will a separate list accomplish that posting on just
the main OSGeo list won't? Standards are a sufficiently important
subject that all should be concerned with it, and definitely
knowledgeable about.

Managing all these separate lists is becoming a pain in the derrière
for me. I would rather see and participate in the standards discussion
right here on the OSGeo discussion list.

On 7/19/07, Lorenzo Becchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree on [EMAIL PROTECTED] (this list will be spammed even before
> starting... )
>
> should we proceed creating the list?
> does anyone disagree?
>
> ciao
> Lorenzo
>
>
>
>
> Frank Warmerdam wrote:
> > Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
> >> I'd not go so far as to create a list yet -- I'm not sure we know what
> >> we're all looking for at this point.
> >>
> >> For example: do we really want "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", or perhaps more 
> >> generally
> >> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"?  To my mind, these are two related-but-different,
> >> and equally-interesting, ideas to explore...
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > I think it should be a "standards" list, not an OGC list, even though
> > for practical purposes it will be mostly OGC standards.
> >
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Software Standards - A Start

[Landon Blake]

There were a few recent threads about software standards. Some of these
threads dealt specifically with the role of OSGeo in software standards
development and the OGC. I didn't what this conversation to die out,
because I think it is very important to the survival of open source
software, and a topic that is important to me personally.

 

I know we may not be ready for a mailing list on this topic just yet,
but I did throw up a page on the OSGeo wiki. You can find it here:

 

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Software_Standards#Suggested_Standards

 

I put together a rough outline or skeleton for some discussion and/or
information on software standards. Please feel free to flesh out some of
this skeleton, and to express your opinion on the listed topics. I have
also posted a link to a little "rough sketching" I did a couple of
months ago on a open file format that I could use to replace ESRI
Shapefiles in OpenJUMP. I'm not an expert programmer, or that good with
binary data, but I thought I would throw a link to my "sketches" on the
page so others could comment. Go ahead and tear it apart! :] If nothing
else, it may stimulate some discussion. You'll find the link to my
"sketches" under the "Suggested Standards" heading.

 

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hello

[Landon Blake]

Welcome to the list Andrew. I look forward to hearing what you have to
contribute to our discussions.

 

Landon

 



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Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:12 PM
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hello

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I am new to the list and I'd just like to take a moment to say hello to
everyone.

 

I work on the Engineering team at Ingres corporation from a home office
in Ottawa, Canada.

 

I'll try and jump into the discussions where I can participate. I'm sure
I'll inevitably be lurking a lot of the time.

 

I'm looking forward to the discussions and hopefully meeting you in the
future.

 

Thank you,

Andrew

 

 



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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Landon Blake]

I wanted to add my agreement with a couple of the statements made on
this topic.

First of all, I agree with Gary, I don't think the benefit of releasing
the tallies outweighs the harmful side effects.

Secondly, I think it would be a great idea to release a map showing the
location of the board members that voted.

Thirdly, I know that I voted for the members that I was the most
familiar with. Perhaps an interesting approach at the next election
would be to have the nominees answer a set of questions selected from
the charter members. We could post each nominee's answer to the
questions on the wiki.

For example, we might ask the nominee what the GIS free software
community's greatest challenge is, and what role they think the OSGeo
should have in overcoming this challenge.

The Sunburned Surveyor

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Sherman
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:50 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
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What purpose is served by displaying the results in this way? I see
absolutely no benefit, other than to create an ad-hoc popularity  
contest to see who beat out whom.

What lessons can be learned from having the tally known? How can it  
benefit
OSGeo in future elections? Will it deter people from running in the  
future?

The votes were not posted publicly, we know who won, leave it at that.

If the final tally by person is made public, will we next ask to see  
how each charter member voted?

This is beyond openness.

-gary

(Yes I was a candidate, yes I was not elected, no this has nothing to  
do with my position on this issue)


On Aug 9, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

> P Kishor wrote:
>> In the spirit of openness, it would be worthwhile seeing where the
>> charter members thought it best to cast their votes. While
>> embarrassment is a possible consequence, I believe if I were running
>> for a Board member, and if I lost, I would still like to see the
>> votes... I am not interested in seeing who voted for who... I am more
>> interested in seeing the voting pattern as a reflection of the  
>> pattern
>> of interest, awareness, and even a need for doing more.
>
> Puneet (and Tamas, Bart, ...)
>
> I don't have a strong opinion on this.  If someone would like to take
> this issue formally to the board I would encourage you to write up a
> position in the wiki and add it as a topic for the next board meeting
> agenda at:
>
>   http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Twenty_Eighth_Board_Meeting
>
> If so, I'd ask that you be available to speak on behalf of the issue
> for the next board meeting.  Alternatively, the topic could be  
> discussed
> at the AGM at FOSS4G (planned for late on the Monday I believe).  I
> can't seem to find a wiki page about the AGM, though I think one  
> exists.
>
> Of course, discussing here is fine too, but ultimately for action it
> is helpful for someone to "carry the ball".  I'm not going to be that
> person given a lack of enthusiasm about the idea.
>
> Best regards,
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Landon Blake]

Tyler wrote: " I have thought about this too and agree.  We could even
open this up to receive ideas from the membership at large, then boil it
down to a reasonable set.

I had hoped there would be more discussion/debate about the candidates
before the voting started - there was barely any - but having a selected
set of required questions would help to serve the same purpose next
time."

I would be more than willing to help with this process before our next
election.

Landon

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On 10-Aug-07, at 7:26 AM, Landon Blake wrote:

> I wanted to add my agreement with a couple of the statements made on
> this topic.
>
> First of all, I agree with Gary, I don't think the benefit of  
> releasing
> the tallies outweighs the harmful side effects.

I'm just catching up on this thread, I didn't realise it was such a  
hot topic.  I'm all for debate about how to improve our processes,  
but I don't like the idea of changing a process after the fact.

I also agreed with the idea of not releasing a full ordered list with  
vote tallies.  I didn't even provide the top 5 in order of rank,  
instead did it in alphabetical order.  Otherwise, all you would get  
is a relative ordering of people versus other people.  Did someone  
vote more for one person because of their geographical location?  Or  
because there were better known or better qualified?  Or because they  
thought they had the best chance of winning?  Or did they like  
everyone but chose them randomly?

You could infer a reason for the order, but it would be pure  
speculation without knowing from every voter what they were  
thinking.  So, in the end, I believe that the number of votes is  
meaningless except to appease curiosity.  If we eventually move to an  
online system for managing elections then I'm sure the topic will  
come up again, as will the questions of giving multiple votes to one  
nominee or for voting for yourself.  All good issue worthy of debate,  
in my opinion.

> Perhaps an interesting approach at the next election
> would be to have the nominees answer a set of questions selected from
> the charter members. We could post each nominee's answer to the
> questions on the wiki.

I have thought about this too and agree.  We could even open this up  
to receive ideas from the membership at large, then boil it down to a  
reasonable set.

I had hoped there would be more discussion/debate about the  
candidates before the voting started - there was barely any - but  
having a selected set of required questions would help to serve the  
same purpose next time.

Sincerely,
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Geographic Diversity

[Landon Blake]

There have been a lot of good comments on this topic. I see another
potential problem with trying to fill board member seats from different
geographic regions. We may have a lot of qualified candidates running
from a very active region, and only one candidate running from another
region. 

If we have to select a candidate from each region we may end up forcing
qualified members out of the running and forcing less qualified
candidates in. 

Not only that, but how do we decide if a nominee adequately represents a
region? Does he have to live there? What if the region contains his
"homeland" but he is now working and living in another country? What if
this out-of-town assignment is only temporary? What if I'm living in one
country but working on a lot of projects dealing with another specific
region? Could I then run for the board seat from that region?

I think this could open up a can of worms.

I'd much rather see some questions posed to board nominees that address
the promotion of open source GIS software in a "global" manner. For
example, you might ask the nominees what they are doing to support
internationalization of software, translation of user interfaces, and
support for global or "foreign" unit and coordinate systems.

The Sunburned Surveyor

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One of the benefits of the open source model is it breaks down the  
artificial geographic barriers among it's participants. Open Source  
is about quality of contributions from wherever they may come around  
the world.

As much as we all would like to see maximum geographic representation  
in OSGeo and the board -- I think that trying to re-institute  
artificial geographic barriers flies in the face of what has made  
open source successful in the first place.

Dave



On 13-Aug-07, at 2:06 PM, P Kishor wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I would love hear from others about what they think of geography-based
> Board seats. Please weigh in.
>
> PS: If anyone is CDG tomorrow morning at 8.20a local time, page me,
> but make sure to wear your OSGeo swag so I can recognize you... I'll
> be there for two hours waiting for my flight to DEL.
>
> On 8/11/07, P Kishor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 8/10/07, Steve Lime <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Hi all: Perhaps this has been discussed before, but... Given the  
>>> apparent desire to maintain geographic diversity amongst OSgeo  
>>> leadership perhaps in the future we might consider regionally  
>>> based board seats.
>>
>> This is absolutely the most wonderful, workable, and simplest idea to
>> this problem.
>>
>> When I was casting my vote, I had little to go on. One vote went to
>> someone who I have met personally, if only briefly (that person won
>> the election). One vote went to someone from a geographic area other
>> than Europe/NA (that person did not win). The other votes were based
>> on my recollection of their contribution to the mailing lists,
>> software, activism, and somewhat on the nomination write-ups. It is
>> hard to compare someone who writes code (I don't as much... at least,
>> not basic code) to someone who evangelizes (I do a lot of that... I
>> just spent the entire morning yesterday giving a presentation on open
>> geospatial at the World Bank... it was received with a lot of
>> enthusiasm and interest).
>>
>> Having regionally allocated board seats would cut down on some of  
>> this
>> comparison problem, and it would also ensure representation from
>> around the world, from regions that are different levels in diffusion
>> and adoption, and hence, need different kinds of work and  
>> involvement.
>>
>> Thanks Steve, for suggesting this... I wholeheartedly second this.
>>
>>
>>> That is, you have representatives from:
>>>
>>> North America, Europe, Africa, Asia, South/Central America and  
>>> Oceania
>>>
>>> If the bulk of activity is in North America and Europe then given  
>>> them two seats. Then you have nominations within a region and so  
>>> on... Every other year different geographic regions would be up  
>>> for re-election. As a voting member you'd vote for candidates in  
>>> each region.
>>>
>>> If organizational affiliation diversity is more important  
>>> (government vs. higher education vs. private sector vs. hobbyist)  
>>> than geographic diversity then the same idea would apply. We do  
>>> that here in Minnesota for our state GIS/LIS consortium board.  
>>> That board also has an at-large seat open to anyone.
>>>
>>> Just a thought...
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> ___
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Puneet Kishor http://punkish.eidesis.org/
>> Nelson Inst. for Env. Studies, UW-Madison http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/
>> 

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [OSGeo_discuss] Re: FOSS GIS in India

[Landon Blake]

I wanted to comment on some things that Tyler said:

 

Tyler wrote: "However, professionals who build their skills on top of
open source tools have complete freedom, motivation and encouragement in
their careers without licensing constraints."

 

There is an important "freedom" that comes with open source software in
an educational or training environment. That is the freedom for the
student to look into the guts of the program to see how a GIS program
accomplished a specific task. For example, if I want to know how
OpenJUMP paints a line segment representing a road on my computer
monitor I can look into the code and find out. If I am interested in
developing an algorithm to solve a particular problem in geospatial
analysis I can look at other open source code that tackles the same, or
similar problems. I believe open source software is one of the most
provides one of the most powerful tools to teach GIS. There is no better
test of a student's understanding of a geospatial principle than the
test that requires them to write functioning source code that works on
that principle. I really believe GIS as a profession would be better of
if all who practiced it did a little closet programming. :]

 

Tyler wrote: "We know that all too often proposals or contracts require
specific software - often without any rationale except comfort by the
client.  Instead, is it not in our collective best interests to
encourage professionals to use the best tool they know to do the job?"

 

We are fighting the beast called "corporate monopoly" in this case. But
I think we have indirectly identified an important way to fight this
monopoly. Promote the use of open source GIS software in our educational
institutions. People use what they learn, and they learn what they are
taught in school. As an example of this, a certain unnamed surveying
equipment vendor supplied my small community college with as many seats
of their software package as we wanted. What was the end result? All of
my graduating class left comfortable with that vendors way of doing
things, right or wrong, good or bad. When we eventually make it into
responsible positions, guess what we do? We buy that same software.
Those free licenses given to the community college was the best money
that vendor ever spent.

 

Maybe we need to do something similar with community colleges, trade
schools, and universities that teach GIS classes. Perhaps we can set up
an online course materials sponsored and maintained by the OSGeo that
these institutions could use.

 

Landon

 

 



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On 11-Aug-07, at 9:08 PM, RAVI KUMAR wrote:

Emphasis is to be on GIS tools and principles, and not on GIS
brand labels.

 

This is the important part for me, allow me to take it a step further.
One of my interests is to see professionals develop their skills for
geospatial analysis, mapping, etc.  This does not require any particular
brand of software.  However, professionals who build their skills on top
of open source tools have complete freedom, motivation and encouragement
in their careers without licensing constraints.  As long as the concepts
are well taught, they can likely learn (or re-train) to cover any
particular instance of geospatial applications in any workplace.

 

In the bigger picture this is a conflict between corporate "standards"
and recognising professional choice or capabilities.  We know that all
too often proposals or contracts require specific software - often
without any rationale except comfort by the client.  Instead, is it not
in our collective best interests to encourage professionals to use the
best tool they know to do the job?  This takes faith in professional
skill sets instead of faith in a particular software package.

 

Whether the package is open source or proprietary is important from a
licensing or philosophical standpoint, but when I look at people who are
training to work in the field I'd much rather see them develop/learn
tools that they can use for the rest of their careers.  Unfortunately we
aren't required to bring our tools with us to our jobs to prove our
skills - instead we're given tools within the confines of the workplace
and expected to know how to use them.  That seems reasonable but is very
limiting.  

 

Fellow staff that I have worked with in the past have appreciated the
option of finding the best tool for the job instead of being forced to
use one that they might never have access to again in the future.

 

Hope this makes some sense.  

 

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Program For Public Review Of Patents

[Landon Blake]

The United States Patent Office has put together a program that allows
for some public input in patent review. You can find the website here:

 

http://www.peertopatent.org/

 

Here is an article about the program on Linux.com:

 

http://www.linux.com/feature/118349

 

I think this might be a good opportunity for the OSGeo to get involved
in reviewing patents for geospatial applications. Would there be any
interest in this?

 

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Peer Review Of Patents

[Landon Blake]

I have registered with the Peer-To-Patent site:

 

http://www.peertopatent.org/

 

This process was very simple, and will now allow me to comment on the
patent applications that are posted to the site for review. I took a
quick look trough the current list of patents under review and didn't
see anything decidedly geospatial. There were, however, three (3) or
four (4) database related patents.

 

I think this new program really presents a fabulous opportunity for open
source advocates to make a difference in the out-of-control patent
process. It gives us a chance to put our time and effort where our mouth
is. I can't think of a better organization than OSGeo to champion this
cause in the geospatial arena. I'm putting myself up as a point man on
this issue. I'll make an effort to review the patent applications on the
Peer-To-Patent site on a regular basis, and report on any patent
applications that touch on the geospatial realm.

 

I must admit that I'm probably not the most technically qualified person
for this job, as others have a lot more programming experience than me.
I'm a closet programmer, and not what I would call a "mainstream" or
typical GIS user either. I'd really appreciate help with this effort.

 

If this list will be disturbed by my reports on patent applications
perhaps a separate mailing list would be appropriate.

 

Landon (A.K.A. - The Sunburned Surveyor)

 

 



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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Software standards discussions => new list

[Landon Blake]

MPG,

I'm interested and have subscribed to the list. Thank you for setting
this up.

Landon 

P.S. - Here is the link to the subscription page:

http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/standards


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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Software standards discussions => new list

A few weeks ago there was a flurry of discussion about standards-related
stuff, up to and including things like how OSGeo members might work with
OGC.  Since this is an area I know a bit about, and since I've talked to
some OGC folks about it recently, I'd like to see if I
can help us to try and see if we can reach some consensus as to what
OSGeo's goals, interests, and opportunites are.

A mailing list is now up: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  If this sounds
like a subject you're interested in, please subscribe and say hi.

Ideally, as a first step I'd like to see us get a handle the OGC
question.  In what ways do you feel you are restricted from working with
OGC today?  In what ways do you think OGC could benefit from OSGeo
members and projects?  Feel free to jump in and post your ideas /
thoughts / issues, and I'll try to get a wiki page going to eventually
stake out a summary of the collective hivemind.

If there's enough interest, we might get a BOF-like thing in Victoria to
have some live discussion too.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] C# / .NET projects?

[Landon Blake]

Mpg,

I believe that there is a DotNET wrapper for the JTS library:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/nts

Landon

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OSGeo gets a lot of mileage out of C++ and Java, but I suddenly have an
interest in cutting edge .NET technologies.  [you in the back there,
stop laughing...]

So, I'm looking for open source geo projects that are .NET-friendly,
ideally C# and WPF libraries.  If you have any suggestions, please reply
to me, this list, or this wiki page:
  http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/DotNetProjects

Thanks.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

[Landon Blake]

I am involved in another organization that illustrates why I participate
in the OSGeo. I thought sharing that might add something to the "return
on equity" conversation.

On a regular basis I meet with 20 to 30 other surveyors that are members
of the local California Land Surveyors Association Chapter. We hold the
meetings to meet one another and to discuss items of concern to our
profession. I don't know that we necessarily get any "tangible return on
equity" from our involvement, but it is important to all of us.

I look at the OSGeo in a similar manner. I'm not "GIS Certified" or a
part of an organization like URISA. In a way the OSGeo serves as my
professional organization for GIS. It gives me the opportunity to learn
from and share with other GIS professionals with whom I have some common
interests and values.

I think we need to remember OSGeo is as much about the people as it is
about the software.

On a related note, I have heard that organizations like the OSGeo slowly
die if their members don't have an agenda of "action items" to work on.
I guess this is related to the "united by a common enemy" principle. I'm
not saying that we need a common enemy, but I think that having definite
problems or challenges that we address as an organization will make us
healthier. Here are some examples of the problems or challenges I am
talking about:

[1] Affordable and reasonable access to publicly funded geospatial data.
[2] Privacy concerns with geospatial data.
[3] Affordable and reasonable access to geospatial education focused on
open source software and technical principles, not on button pushing.
[4] Promotion of open source GIS as a tool that can be used to better
the lives of the people in our society.

Promotion and support of open source software is an important part of
what we do at the OSGeo. But if you really want to make OSGeo an
organization that matters to the general public you have to see it as an
organization that promotes the use of open source GIS to solve the
bigger challenges listed above. My "return on equity" from the OSGeo is
the opportunity to do some of those things. I don't want to just write
great open source software, I want to do great things with the software
I write. I think the OSGeo can provide me the opportunity to do that.

Landon

P.S. - Thanks to Howard for the excellent post.

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Thanks for the insight;

Right now the pitch is: "We are taking part in OSGeo in order to meet 
with the rest of the community"

I am not looking for much return out of OSGeo until the projects I am 
involved in finish incubation (am I alone in this?). So far I feel bad 
that we are taking up tones of time, occasional legal council 
etc...after incubation involvement should become more positive 
(marketing etc...)
Jody

Howard Butler wrote:
> Open source software works because people acting in their own self 
> interest have the auxiliary benefit of helping everyone in the 
> project.  Report your pet bug, file a patch, add a new feature -- all 
> of these things immediately help you, but ultimately help the 
> project.  This activity also imparts tangential benefits that are very

> hard to quantify but can be clearly important like personal 
> visibility, credibility, and status.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

[Landon Blake]

Frank wrote: " I'm not worried so much about OSGeo as an organization
that matters to the general public.  I'd be pleased to see it matter to
developers and users of open source geospatial software (and helping to
grow that pool)."

Perhaps it is best to start with modest goals and the goal you describe
above is a modest AND logical.

I just think that open source GIS software opens up the door for GIS to
be used in a lot of other places that are now prevented from doing so
because of price. For example, I volunteer with a non-profit
organization that assists the United States Forest Service with care of
the Mokelumne Wilderness. That type of group could never afford a
big-brand GIS program. But I am going to try to use OpenJUMP to support
their efforts. The same applies to developing countries, which has been
discussed on this list previously.

That is were the real beauty of the open source "gem" shines. Putting a
tool into the hands of people so that they can accomplish a greater
good. Open source software development is all about circumventing the
unbalanced desire for profit and the secrecy that results to accomplish
a greater good. It seems like a natural fit to me.

But I'm getting totally sidetracked. I apologize for that. My original
point was that I'm involved in OSGeo as much for the people as I am for
the benefits to my open source software project. The people are part of
my "return on equity".

Landon (A.K.A. - The Sunburned Surveyor)


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Landon Blake wrote:
> Promotion and support of open source software is an important part of
> what we do at the OSGeo. But if you really want to make OSGeo an
> organization that matters to the general public you have to see it as
an
> organization that promotes the use of open source GIS to solve the
> bigger challenges listed above. My "return on equity" from the OSGeo
is
> the opportunity to do some of those things. I don't want to just write
> great open source software, I want to do great things with the
software
> I write. I think the OSGeo can provide me the opportunity to do that.

Landon,

I think this is an interesting point.  A part of why I write open source
software is that I want my software to be used, and in particular I want
my software to enable things of social value that might not otherwise
have happened.

If there are people willing to help make it happen, I'd like to see
OSGeo
support socially relavent organizations in use of open source software.

I'm not so such I worry about OSGeo an organization that matters to the
general public.  I'd be pleased to see it matter to developers and users
of open source geospatial software (and helping to grow that pool).

Best regards,
-- 
---+
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I set the clouds in motion - turn up   | Frank Warmerdam,
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Steps To Creating A Simple Vector Based GIS (Using FOSS...Of Course)

[Landon Blake]

I was wondering if there was a good tutorial or article about creating a
simple vector-based GIS using FOSS? I don't want something too software
specific. I'm really looking for something that covers the basic
principles.

 

I'm starting a new vector-based GIS for a volunteer group and I was
hoping to find some "vendor-neutral" material in this area. I've been
using the "Designing Geodatabases: Case Studies in GIS Data Modeling
Book" by ESRI when I decided it would be nice to have a tutorial for
people who decide to design their first GIS outside of ESRI's world.

 

I made an outline for such a document or tutorial which you can find
here:

 

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=df5nfmf8_30rvgj7j

 

I thought that I would try to review other material on the subject, if
there was any, before I write the article.

 

I appreciate any references or suggestions.

 

Landon (A.K.A. - The Sunburned Surveyor)

 

P.S. - I'm going to shoot this off to the Geowanking list as well.

 

 

 



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[OSGeo-Discuss] Links For Scribus, Inkscape, and Sample OpenJUMP Maps

[Landon Blake]

I should have included these links in my earlier post.

 

http://www.inkscape.org/

http://www.scribus.net/

http://openjump.org/wiki/show/Printing+in+high-resolution

http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:How_to_draw_a_map

 

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is there an Open Source software applicationthatwill draw a graticule on a map?

[Landon Blake]

I've given this issue a lot of thought. It seems to me that
"cartographic" map production really involves two (2) separate
functions:

[1] The ability to draw graphics and annotations.
[2] The ability to layout graphical elements on a page or sheet.

I think it is easy to underestimate the complexity of these two (2)
functions. A GIS program will be a lot simpler and easier to maintain if
it doesn't tackle these two (2) functions at all, but instead focuses on
the management of spatial data. Really the display of this spatial data
on a computer screen is just part of the user interface that helps the
user manage the data.

I think it is a lot smarter to leave the drawing to the drawing programs
and the page layout to the page layout programs.

For example, there is some limited support for printing and page layout
in OpenJUMP via plug-ins, but it isn't anything terribly sophisticated.

I think the best solution for the open source geospatial community is to
export spatial data from our programs in an open format for graphics
like SVG, and then enhance those graphics in an open source drawing
program like Inkscape and layout map sheets in an open source desktop
publishing application like Scribus.

Imagine what we could accomplish as a community if we all used Inkscape
and Scribus for cartographic map production instead of designing our own
map production functionality. Imagine what could be accomplished if we
took that time we would invest in implementing the drawing and page
layout functionality that already existed in some high-quality
applications and invested it instead in the other functions of our
applications, or even better, in the drawing and page layout
applications that we would use as replacements.

I've contacted the Inkscape development team to ask about contributing.
I have plans on helping out with the lib2geom library that will be
integrated into Inkscape, although it means I need to learn C++, which
gives me a serious headache. I haven't had time to get involved like I
would want, but it is still an eventual goal of mine.

I really encourage the open source geospatial community to take close
look at Scribus and Inkscape as options for cartographic map production.
OpenJUMP can export SVG, and some of our users have made beautiful maps
with the two programs. I really don't think there is much you couldn't
do in the realm of 2D maps with the two programs. There is even the
potential here to share standard map sheet templates for Scribus and SVG
graphics for things like north arrows and scale bars for Inkscape. 

Landon Blake (The Sunburned Surveyor)

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applicationthatwill draw a graticule on a map?

Puneet,

  I'm hoping that (someday?) high quality cartography WILL
be point-and-click.  The three apps I looked at come pretty
close:
uDig- sophisticated, complicated GUI; focus on GIS
not cartography
QGIS- simple GUI, a print composer, but features
(e.g. a real graticule) missing
gvSIG   - look and feel of ArcView 3.x (the good and the
bad), but no graticule


  I think Paul Ramsey said it best in the Directions Mag
interview
(http://www.directionsmag.com/article.php?article_id=2517&tr
v=1):

"The first project to produce a stable and complete ArcView
3 replacement will gobble up a huge user share, and become
the default application for building the "high end" analysis
and cartography functionality."

Brent Fraser
GeoAnalytic Inc.
Calgary, Alberta

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> On 9/6/07, Brent Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ,,
> > Yikes!  Is National-Topographic-Series quality
cartography
> > dead?  Am I destined to print only pastel polygon
"diagrams"
> > on letter size paper if I adopt Open Source?  ;)
>
> Write an emai to Markus Neteler and ask him for samples of
stuff he
> has produced with Grass, a real GIS. The quality will blow
you away.
> Granted, I have not seen that stuff on a large piece of
paper, but
> even on the screen, it looks gorgeous. It is probably not
easy to
> produce that kind of stuff, but good quality stuff never
is point and
> click.
>
> (MapServer is not a GIS... it says so on the box it comes
in).
> >

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is there an Open Sourcesoftwareapplicationthatwill draw a graticule on a map?

[Landon Blake]

Brent,

I want to add just a couple of more things:

You wrote: "Traditionally (on paper topographic maps) the graticule
labels have been shown outside the mapped area and most GIS applications
can't handle this unless they implement some kind of page layout
functionality."

This is true in most cases, but does not have to be so. For example, I
could easily write a plug-in for OpenJUMP that creates and exports the
necessary SVG or PNG for graticule and graticule labels for a specified
page size. Then you could just import this into Inkscape or Scribus.

You wrote: "And forget about the generic page layout
programs placing a graticule as they have no world coordinate system
functionality (without a plugin)."

Roger that. You'll need to export the graticule information as a
separate graphic as I described above.

Brent wrote: "So perhaps your solution is the answer: create open source
mappping plugins for the page layout projects you've listed (and stop
expecting GIS programs to layout and print a map).  I'll have to look
into that..."

That is exactly what I am talking about. Maybe this topic deserves a
little mailing list and a small wiki site. A place to explore and
discuss using open source graphics design tools to produce maps in
collaboration with open source mapping tools.

But then again, maybe it doesn't. :]

Landon (A.K.A. - The Sunburned Surveyor)

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Sourcesoftwareapplicationthatwill draw a graticule on a map?

Landon,

  It's an interesting problem.  From my perspective, a map
without a graticule, scale bar, and projection statement
(with parameter values!) is just a diagram (kind of like a
tiff without geotiff tags or shapefile without a .prj file).
It can be useful, but don't try to integrate any spatial
data or measure any coordinates.

A graticule straddles the spatial (GIS/drawing programs)
and graphic (page layout) domains.  Traditionally (on paper
topographic maps) the graticule labels have been shown
outside the mapped area and most GIS applications can't
handle this unless they implement some kind of page layout
functionality.   And forget about the generic page layout
programs placing a graticule as they have no world
coordinate system functionality (without a plugin).

So perhaps your solution is the answer: create open
source mappping plugins for the page layout projects you've
listed (and stop expecting GIS programs to layout and print
a map).  I'll have to look into that...

And for you MapServer implementers, a homework
assignment: create margins on your map with inline polygons
to blank out the map data and emphasize your GRID labels
(see attached map, er I mean diagram).

Thanks!
Brent Fraser
GeoAnalytic Inc.
Calgary, Alberta


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From: "Landon Blake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "OSGeo Discussions" 
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is there an Open Source
softwareapplicationthatwill draw a graticule on a map?


I've given this issue a lot of thought. It seems to me that
"cartographic" map production really involves two (2)
separate
functions:

[1] The ability to draw graphics and annotations.
[2] The ability to layout graphical elements on a page or
sheet.

I think it is easy to underestimate the complexity of these
two (2)
functions. A GIS program will be a lot simpler and easier to
maintain if
it doesn't tackle these two (2) functions at all, but
instead focuses on
the management of spatial data. Really the display of this
spatial data
on a computer screen is just part of the user interface that
helps the
user manage the data.

I think it is a lot smarter to leave the drawing to the
drawing programs
and the page layout to the page layout programs.

For example, there is some limited support for printing and
page layout
in OpenJUMP via plug-ins, but it isn't anything terribly
sophisticated.

I think the best solution for the open source geospatial
community is to
export spatial data from our programs in an open format for
graphics
like SVG, and then enhance those graphics in an open source
drawing
program like Inkscape and layout map sheets in an open
source desktop
publishing application like Scribus.

Imagine what we could accomplish as a community if we all
used Inkscape
and Scribus for cartographic map production instead of
designing our own
map production functionality. Imagine what could be
accomplished if we
took that time we would invest in implementing the drawing
and page
layout functionality that already existed in some
high-quality
applications and invested it instead in the other functions
of our
applications, or even better, in the drawing and page lay

[OSGeo-Discuss] Possible Purchase Of Magellan Mobile Mapper Pro Units

[Landon Blake]

Mr. Skeen,

 

I work for a land surveying and civil engineering company in the
California Central Valley. We are currently considering the purchase of
two (2) to three (3) mobile GIS/GPS units. We had first considered the
Juno ST/TerraSync units from Trimble, but were a little dismayed at the
price of the required office software.

 

I was tasked with considering other options. I've had a look at the
Moble Mapper Pro
(http://pro.magellangps.com/assets/datasheets/MobileMapper_EN_l.pdf)
units from Magellan Professional, and it seems like one of these units
with the Mobile Mapper Office software would be a comparable package at
a much lower price.

 

I was wondering if it would be possible to arrange a demonstration of a
Mobile Mapper Pro unit in the next few weeks, perhaps on a previously
planned trip to the Central Valley? I was also wondering if it would be
possible to obtain an evaluation copy of the Mobile Mapper Office
software.

 

Thank you for considering my inquiry.

 

Landon Blake - Project Surveyor (LSIT)

KSN Inc. - Civil Engineers and Land Surveyors

711 N. Pershing Avenue

Stockton, California 95203

Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268

Work Cell Phone: (209) 992-0658

 

 



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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Possible Purchase Of Magellan Mobile Mapper ProUnits

[Landon Blake]

Sorry about this list. I hit the wrong address on the "To" button in
Microsoft Outlook.

 

Landon

 



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Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Possible Purchase Of Magellan Mobile Mapper
ProUnits

 

Mr. Skeen,

 

I work for a land surveying and civil engineering company in the
California Central Valley. We are currently considering the purchase of
two (2) to three (3) mobile GIS/GPS units. We had first considered the
Juno ST/TerraSync units from Trimble, but were a little dismayed at the
price of the required office software.

 

I was tasked with considering other options. I've had a look at the
Moble Mapper Pro
(http://pro.magellangps.com/assets/datasheets/MobileMapper_EN_l.pdf)
units from Magellan Professional, and it seems like one of these units
with the Mobile Mapper Office software would be a comparable package at
a much lower price.

 

I was wondering if it would be possible to arrange a demonstration of a
Mobile Mapper Pro unit in the next few weeks, perhaps on a previously
planned trip to the Central Valley? I was also wondering if it would be
possible to obtain an evaluation copy of the Mobile Mapper Office
software.

 

Thank you for considering my inquiry.

 

Landon Blake - Project Surveyor (LSIT)

KSN Inc. - Civil Engineers and Land Surveyors

711 N. Pershing Avenue

Stockton, California 95203

Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268

Work Cell Phone: (209) 992-0658

 

 



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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Are there any thoughts on how organisations canwork with OSGeo projects?

[Landon Blake]

Bruce,

I will add some of my own thoughts to those offered by Frank Wammerdam's. 
Please note that I agree with all of Frank's responses, which were excellent.

Bruce wrote: "What I have seen of OS projects over the last seven years or so 
is that they are typically run by a group of committed individuals who have a 
desire for a particular type of product. Focus is often on delivering a quality 
product that is released 'when it is ready' rather than to a marketing 
department's timeframe."

I think this is an accurate analysis. Regular releases occur more frequently in 
proprietary software because you need an incentive for purchases of "upgrades". 
In open source software this pressure is absent. This can be a two-edged sword. 
On one side of the blade there is little incentive to "rush" buggy or 
incomplete code to the customer to satisfy a marketing schedule. One the other 
side of the sword open source projects can go a long way between "official" or 
public releases. We've been talking about this a little bit on the OpenJUMP 
mailing list. We are trying to hammer out a system of benchmarks that can be 
used to determine when an official release needs to be made.

I'm not sure how much of an impact this issue would have on the situation being 
discussed. If there is some type of benchmark release system in place, and the 
contributing organizations want to see a release moved up, they can help reach 
the benchmarks. If this system doesn't work the organization can always 
maintain there own build. This is what some programmers do with OpenJUMP.

Bruce wrote: "While there is often an end goal and a set of requirements for a 
release of a product, it is sometimes difficult to find people interested in 
spending their own time on the less exciting aspects of a project."

This would include things like minor bug fixes, documentation, user interface 
consistency, code testing... I think every open source project struggles with 
this. I can think of two solutions. Pay your own programmers to tackle the 
tasks or pay other programmers to do it for you. Often you will find you don't 
have to complete an entire task, just get the framework started and manage it. 

For example, an open source program might lack a good user manual. If you 
organization starts writing one, and sets up a system in which others can 
contribute content or make editorial suggestions, it may have a snowball 
effect. Most players in an open source project are very reluctant to duplicate 
efforts by starting their own pet project. In summary, it might be hard to get 
someone to write an entire user manual. It would be a lot easier to have them 
contribute a chapter if the framework is set up. This is just one example.

Bruce wrote: "- Project based funding is typically focused on a deliverable. 
The deliverable may well be an enhancement to an OSGeo project. How can a 
development team get that enhancement accepted into an OSGeo Project's code 
base in a timely manner? Can they be confident that the enhancement would not 
be removed at a later iteration of the OSGeo Project?"

Here are some suggestions in this regard:

- Avoid giving the impression that you are out to hijack control of the project.
- Communicate, communicate, communicate...
- Maintain, maintain, maintain...
- Consider hiring a programmer already involved in the project to act as your 
liaison or ambassador.
- Make it clear your enhancement or improvement is being donated to the 
community, that you are interested in maintaining it, and that you are really 
making an effort to serve the needs of the community while you meet you own 
needs or the needs of you client.

We could really do a better job of supporting third parties interested in 
contributing to open source software. I once considered writing a short article 
with suggestions on how to do this, but decided not to do so after concerns 
about "scaring" potential contributors away from open source projects.

Let me know if I can help with more suggestions.

Landon


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:58 PM
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Are there any thoughts on how organisations canwork 
with OSGeo projects?


 


I have been involved  in a number of discussions over the last year or so where 
people representing organisations have expressed an interest in extending Open 
Source spatial products and projects but are unsure or sceptical as to how it 
could be done. 

I'm interested in other people's thoughts on this. 


Overview: 

Typically in Government and other larger organisations, funding is Project 
based with a clear definition of business requirements, end deliverables and 
time frame. 

What I have seen of OS projects over the last seven years or so is that they 
are typically run by a group of committed individuals who have a desire for 

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects

[Landon Blake]

I like the idea of an OSGeo Labs wiki page.

I really don't think a company or organization wanting to "open source"
a geospatial program would really need a lot of "infrastructure" from
the OSGeo. A hosting site like SourceForge provides all of the
infrastructure a project needs to get up and running. They have support
for a project website, wiki, mailing lists and CVS or SVN source code
repositories. Why would OSGeo put a lot of time and effort into
providing similar infrastructure when it is already available?

It seems a better use of resources at the OSGeo would be in providing
advice and assistance for tasks like choosing an appropriate license,
tips on managing a source code repository, and managing a new user
and/or developer community. It seems these areas would be more "unknown"
to a typical company or organization than something like setting up a
mailing list.

Landon

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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects

On 10/2/07, Julien-Samuel Lacroix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree with you that the front page recommandations should remain for
> incubated or in-incubation projects, but does a "OSGeo Labs" page
could
> be an option for project wanting to join OSGeo? A page with a list of
> project that are not part of the OSGeo yet and are not hosted by
OSGeo,
> but are known by OSGeo as "friends". Or at least a "How to join" page
> for new projects could help a lot.

Julien,

Could you launch an "OSGeo Labs" page in the wiki?  If it
shapes up well, we can look at linking it from somewhere
reasonably prominent.

Best regards,
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects

[Landon Blake]

I would be willing to give some help on setting up an "OSGeo Labs
Project" with SourceForge services if there was interest. Maybe we could
put my e-mail with a note to that says as much on the wiki page.

Just a thought.

Landon

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Lacroix
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects

Hi,

I'll try to get something done. We could then start from there and add 
information to it. I hesitant to add a "provide hosting" part for now. 
I'm thinking of simply pointing to Sourceforge (or others) for now since

we didn't get a consensus on that part. I'm also thinking that it will 
be easier to start small without providing anything, but a way to get 
advertised and grow the service later if it's a success.

Best regards,
Julien

Cameron Shorter wrote:
> I'm +1 for OSGeo Labs. It would be a good holding place for projects 
> waiting to go into incubation and for new projects to meet and 
> collaborate with each other.
> 
> The key elements of OSGeo Labs are:
> 1. Labs draws minimal overhead from the OSGeo community. Ie, provide 
> hosting, but not mentoring.
> 2. There is an entrance criteria list for OSGeo Labs which ensures
that 
> the project has a goal of becoming an incubation OSGeo project and 
> therefore should be Open Source, Geospatial, etc.
> 3. The decision for accepting a project into Labs should be delegated
to 
> a committee (which should be one person but could be more). Aim is to 
> keep the management overhead low.
> 4. OSGeo Board reserves the right to remove projects from Labs if the 
> project dies or is not following OSGeo values.
> 
> I suggest that OSGeo Incubation Committee hold a meeting to vote on
this.
> Do we have a volunteer to draft the first version of "Entrance
Criteria 
> and Guidelines for OSGeo Labs"? You should be able to draw a lot from 
> the Incubation process.
> 
> Julien-Samuel Lacroix wrote:
> 
>> Frank Warmerdam wrote:
>>
>>> Julien,
>>>
>>> Could you launch an "OSGeo Labs" page in the wiki?  If it
>>> shapes up well, we can look at linking it from somewhere
>>> reasonably prominent.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the backup. My comment was more to get an idea of what 
>> people  think about it and I think most people agree.
>>
>> I'll try to get something up along with guidelines to make sure we 
>> keep a little bit of control on what we advertise.
>>
>> Julien
>>
> 
> 

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[OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter

[Landon Blake]

Has there ever been any discussion of forming a California chapter of
the OSGeo? I would think with all the geo guys in the Bay Area that this
would have been done already.

 

I would be interested in helping out with this, although I don't know if
I want to "run and administer" things on my own. Are there any other
interested OSGeo members in California?

 

I was thinking we could form a chapter with one or two clear and simple
goals. This would help our group to be focused and have something to
actually "work together" on. I'm pretty flexible to what the goals might
be, although I have a particular interest in a couple of areas. :]

 

Any thoughts?

 

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter

[Landon Blake]

Thanks for the feedback Allan. Physical meetings can be tough with my
schedule, but David isn't too far from Stockton. :]

If we decide to get something going, I could put up a simple website and
mailing list. Still, I don't know if two people is enough to get things
moving.

While we are talking about goals, are there any pressing regional or
local GIS and/or open source needs that you can think of?

Landon

-Original Message-
From: Allan Hollander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:21 PM
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Cc: Landon Blake
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter

At FOSS4G I was chatting a bit with Tyler Mitchell about the possibility
of 
starting a California chapter, so that makes at least two of us. I think

there are several other folks here at UC Davis who would be interested
as 
well. I am quite open to what the goals of such a group would be, though
I 
would like to see it foster regional get-togethers.

Any other Californians here on this list?

-- Allan Hollander
Davis, California


On Thursday 11 October 2007 13:00, Landon Blake wrote:
> Has there ever been any discussion of forming a California chapter of
> the OSGeo? I would think with all the geo guys in the Bay Area that
this
> would have been done already.
>
>
>
> I would be interested in helping out with this, although I don't know
if
> I want to "run and administer" things on my own. Are there any other
> interested OSGeo members in California?
>
>
>
> I was thinking we could form a chapter with one or two clear and
simple
> goals. This would help our group to be focused and have something to
> actually "work together" on. I'm pretty flexible to what the goals
might
> be, although I have a particular interest in a couple of areas. :]
>
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> Landon Blake (A.K.A. - The Sunburned Surveyor)
>
>
>
>
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter - A Beginning

[Landon Blake]

I want to thank Allan, Brad, and Chris for their responses to my post
about starting a California Chapter.

Allan had an excellent suggestion about representing the OSGeo at the
CALGIS 2008 Conference in Modesto. I think this would be a great short
term goal for our chapter. Modesto is right down Highway 99 from
Stockton, so if this idea has support from other OSGeo members I can
plan on representing the OSGeo there in some fashion. Would any other
members of our fledgling chapter be able to help with that?

I think it would be prudent to request a mailing list for
"almost-a-chapter" from Tyler.

I think we then need to accomplish the following tasks to get our
chapter off of the ground:

[1] Determine what needs to be done to meet the requirements for an
OSGeo chapter. I imagine we might have to elect some chapter
representatives and come up with some type of charter.

[2] Decide on one or two well defined goals for 2008. Perhaps these will
be software-related, perhaps they won't be. I'll send a subsequent post
on this topic.

I can do some research on the requirements at a booth for the CALGIS
2008 Conference in Modesto. Can Allan, Chris or Brad work on determining
the requirements to become an OSGeo chapter? (Or, I can trade tasks with
someone.)

Landon

-Original Message-
From: Brad Douglas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:20 PM
To: Landon Blake
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter

> Has there ever been any discussion of forming a California chapter of
> the OSGeo? I would think with all the geo guys in the Bay Area that
> this would have been done already.

I queried about it early in OSGeo history, but never received interest.

> I would be interested in helping out with this, although I don't know
> if I want to "run and administer" things on my own. Are there any
> other interested OSGeo members in California?

I also had similar concerns.

> I was thinking we could form a chapter with one or two clear and
> simple goals. This would help our group to be focused and have
> something to actually "work together" on. I'm pretty flexible to what
> the goals might be, although I have a particular interest in a couple
> of areas. :]

What did you have in mind?  I'm a GRASS developer and reside in the
South-east Bay (Fremont).  It would be nice to work on something with
someone who didn't drink the ESRI Koolaid for a change...


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Ideas For 2008 California Chapter Goals

[Landon Blake]

I have put up some ideas for project goals the almost-a-chapter
California Chapter of the OSGeo might pursue in 2008. I'm very flexible
on which of these goals we might pursue, though I think it would be good
to select only one or two from the list.

 

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/California

 

Feel free to add other ideas. Perhaps we could have tentative chapter
members settle on the one or two goals by the end of the month? Then we
could put together a simple plan for reaching the goals and delegate
tasks to willing chapter members.

 

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter - A Beginning

[Landon Blake]

Dan,

The website for the conference is here:

http://www.calgis.org/

I'll get a hold of the management to see what the costs/requirements are
for setting up a booth.

Landon

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From: Dan Putler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:23 AM
To: Landon Blake
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter - A Beginning

Hi Landon,

It turns out that for complicated dual career reasons, I'm in NorCal
about half of the time and Vancouver the other half (I guess making me
eligible to be both in the California and British Columbia Chapters).
I'm interested in helping out if I can. The CALGIS event seems
particularly interesting (I grew up in Modesto, and much of my family is
still there). What are the details on this event, and how can I
(potentially) help?

Dan

On Mon, 2007-15-10 at 09:37 -0700, Landon Blake wrote:
> I want to thank Allan, Brad, and Chris for their responses to my post
> about starting a California Chapter.
> 
> Allan had an excellent suggestion about representing the OSGeo at the
> CALGIS 2008 Conference in Modesto. I think this would be a great short
> term goal for our chapter. Modesto is right down Highway 99 from
> Stockton, so if this idea has support from other OSGeo members I can
> plan on representing the OSGeo there in some fashion. Would any other
> members of our fledgling chapter be able to help with that?
> 
> I think it would be prudent to request a mailing list for
> "almost-a-chapter" from Tyler.
> 
> I think we then need to accomplish the following tasks to get our
> chapter off of the ground:
> 
> [1] Determine what needs to be done to meet the requirements for an
> OSGeo chapter. I imagine we might have to elect some chapter
> representatives and come up with some type of charter.
> 
> [2] Decide on one or two well defined goals for 2008. Perhaps these
will
> be software-related, perhaps they won't be. I'll send a subsequent
post
> on this topic.
> 
> I can do some research on the requirements at a booth for the CALGIS
> 2008 Conference in Modesto. Can Allan, Chris or Brad work on
determining
> the requirements to become an OSGeo chapter? (Or, I can trade tasks
with
> someone.)
> 
> Landon
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Brad Douglas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:20 PM
> To: Landon Blake
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter
> 
> > Has there ever been any discussion of forming a California chapter
of
> > the OSGeo? I would think with all the geo guys in the Bay Area that
> > this would have been done already.
> 
> I queried about it early in OSGeo history, but never received
interest.
> 
> > I would be interested in helping out with this, although I don't
know
> > if I want to "run and administer" things on my own. Are there any
> > other interested OSGeo members in California?
> 
> I also had similar concerns.
> 
> > I was thinking we could form a chapter with one or two clear and
> > simple goals. This would help our group to be focused and have
> > something to actually "work together" on. I'm pretty flexible to
what
> > the goals might be, although I have a particular interest in a
couple
> > of areas. :]
> 
> What did you have in mind?  I'm a GRASS developer and reside in the
> South-east Bay (Fremont).  It would be nice to work on something with
> someone who didn't drink the ESRI Koolaid for a change...
> 
> 
-- 
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter - A Beginning

[Landon Blake]

I've contacted the administrative staff for the conference about
requirements and costs for a booth. I'll report to the list when I have
learned more.

Landon

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Hi Landon,

Sounds good. I registered for the conference since the price goes up $50
(from $125 to $175) tomorrow.

Dan

On Mon, 2007-15-10 at 10:32 -0700, Landon Blake wrote:
> Dan,
> 
> The website for the conference is here:
> 
> http://www.calgis.org/
> 
> I'll get a hold of the management to see what the costs/requirements
are
> for setting up a booth.
> 
> Landon
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Putler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:23 AM
> To: Landon Blake
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter - A Beginning
> 
> Hi Landon,
> 
> It turns out that for complicated dual career reasons, I'm in NorCal
> about half of the time and Vancouver the other half (I guess making me
> eligible to be both in the California and British Columbia Chapters).
> I'm interested in helping out if I can. The CALGIS event seems
> particularly interesting (I grew up in Modesto, and much of my family
is
> still there). What are the details on this event, and how can I
> (potentially) help?
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Mon, 2007-15-10 at 09:37 -0700, Landon Blake wrote:
> > I want to thank Allan, Brad, and Chris for their responses to my
post
> > about starting a California Chapter.
> > 
> > Allan had an excellent suggestion about representing the OSGeo at
the
> > CALGIS 2008 Conference in Modesto. I think this would be a great
short
> > term goal for our chapter. Modesto is right down Highway 99 from
> > Stockton, so if this idea has support from other OSGeo members I can
> > plan on representing the OSGeo there in some fashion. Would any
other
> > members of our fledgling chapter be able to help with that?
> > 
> > I think it would be prudent to request a mailing list for
> > "almost-a-chapter" from Tyler.
> > 
> > I think we then need to accomplish the following tasks to get our
> > chapter off of the ground:
> > 
> > [1] Determine what needs to be done to meet the requirements for an
> > OSGeo chapter. I imagine we might have to elect some chapter
> > representatives and come up with some type of charter.
> > 
> > [2] Decide on one or two well defined goals for 2008. Perhaps these
> will
> > be software-related, perhaps they won't be. I'll send a subsequent
> post
> > on this topic.
> > 
> > I can do some research on the requirements at a booth for the CALGIS
> > 2008 Conference in Modesto. Can Allan, Chris or Brad work on
> determining
> > the requirements to become an OSGeo chapter? (Or, I can trade tasks
> with
> > someone.)
> > 
> > Landon
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brad Douglas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:20 PM
> > To: Landon Blake
> > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter
> > 
> > > Has there ever been any discussion of forming a California chapter
> of
> > > the OSGeo? I would think with all the geo guys in the Bay Area
that
> > > this would have been done already.
> > 
> > I queried about it early in OSGeo history, but never received
> interest.
> > 
> > > I would be interested in helping out with this, although I don't
> know
> > > if I want to "run and administer" things on my own. Are there any
> > > other interested OSGeo members in California?
> > 
> > I also had similar concerns.
> > 
> > > I was thinking we could form a chapter with one or two clear and
> > > simple goals. This would help our group to be focused and have
> > > something to actually "work together" on. I'm pretty flexible to
> what
> > > the goals might be, although I have a particular interest in a
> couple
> > > of areas. :]
> > 
> > What did you have in mind?  I'm a GRASS developer and reside in the
> > South-east Bay (Fremont).  It would be nice to work on something
with
> > someone who didn't drink the ESRI Koolaid for a change...
> > 
> > 
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter - A Beginning

[Landon Blake]

Thanks for that information Chris. It looks like we've got a good start
on some of the requirements. I think the only thing we may be missing is
critical mass. :] We had two or three people on the mailing list speak
up, but I don't know if we have enough people to justify a chapter just
yet. (I suppose this also depends on the level of interest in
participation. I'm sure the time of other members is limited like mine.)

Perhaps I will work on a mission and some objectives, and we will see
what comes to pass...

Landon



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Unfortunately, I will not be able to go to CalGIS.

The requirements for a new chapter are available at http:// 
www.osgeo.org/content/chapters/guidelines.html:
--
In order to form a chapter, the following steps should be taken:

"OSGeo Chapter" should self-organize (for instance in the OSGeo wiki,  
via OSGeo mailing list, etc), seeking to determine if a critical mass  
of interest exists to justify a chapter.
"OSGeo Chapter" should prepare a mission and objectives indicating  
the scope of the planned chapter (geographic or linquistic extent for  
instance).
"OSGeo Chapter" should propose an official representative to liaise  
with the OSGeo Board. If accepted by the board, the representative  
will be an officer of OSGeo.
"OSGeo Chapter" should submit an official expression of interest to  
form a chapter to the OSGeo board, listing initial members, mission,  
representative, legal form (incorporated?) and other supporting  
information.
The OSGeo board shall then consider passing a motion forming the  
chapter, and designating the liason officer.

In considering the formation of new OSGeo chapters, the board will  
consider issues including:
Does the mandate (geographically or linguistically) conflict with  
other existing chapters or chapters-in-formation?
Does the chapter appear to have sufficient interest to justify  
official formation?
Does the chapter appear to be open to broad membership, and  
representative of the target geographic or linguistic community? (eg.  
if a chapter had the objective to cover all Spanish speakers, it  
would be inappropriate if the only interest demonstrated was from one  
country)


-- Chris Whitney



On Oct 15, 2007, at 2:55 PM, Landon Blake wrote:

> I've contacted the administrative staff for the conference about
> requirements and costs for a booth. I'll report to the list when I  
> have
> learned more.
>
> Landon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Putler
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:59 PM
> To: OSGeo Discussions
> Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter - A Beginning
>
> Hi Landon,
>
> Sounds good. I registered for the conference since the price goes  
> up $50
> (from $125 to $175) tomorrow.
>
> Dan
>
> On Mon, 2007-15-10 at 10:32 -0700, Landon Blake wrote:
>> Dan,
>>
>> The website for the conference is here:
>>
>> http://www.calgis.org/
>>
>> I'll get a hold of the management to see what the costs/requirements
> are
>> for setting up a booth.
>>
>> Landon
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dan Putler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:23 AM
>> To: Landon Blake
>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter - A Beginning
>>
>> Hi Landon,
>>
>> It turns out that for complicated dual career reasons, I'm in NorCal
>> about half of the time and Vancouver the other half (I guess  
>> making me
>> eligible to be both in the California and British Columbia Chapters).
>> I'm interested in helping out if I can. The CALGIS event seems
>> particularly interesting (I grew up in Modesto, and much of my family
> is
>> still there). What are the details on this event, and how can I
>> (potentially) help?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Mon, 2007-15-10 at 09:37 -0700, Landon Blake wrote:
>>> I want to thank Allan, Brad, and Chris for their responses to my
> post
>>> about starting a California Chapter.
>>>
>>> Allan had an excellent suggestion about representing the OSGeo at
> the
>>> CALGIS 2008 Conference in Modesto. I think this would be a great
> short
>>> term goal for our chapter. Modesto is right down Highway 99 from
>>> Stockton, so if this idea has support from other OSGeo members I can
>>> plan on representing the OSGeo there in some fashion. Would 

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter

[Landon Blake]

Bob,

 

It is great to hear from you. I think we are moving in the right
direction!

 

I'll try to get more on top of this next week.

 

Landon

 



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Hello List,

 

I'm interested in joining a California Chapter of OSGEO.  With me being
in Sacramento, it looks like the Central valley is well represented.

 

Btw, I added my name as well as a couple of links on the wiki.

 

Hope this gets off the ground!

 

Bob

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[OSGeo-Discuss] California Chapter Mailing List

[Landon Blake]

I put the web page for the mailing list for the California Chapter on
the wiki page:

 

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/California

 

Would it be possible to have Chris, Allan, Bob, and Alex subscribe to
the list and post an introduction? Once I see that all four (4) people
have subscribed, I can send "California Chapter Related" messages to
that list instead of this one.

 

I just don't want to loose anyone in the transfer to the new list.

 

Landon

 

P.S. - Perhaps in the introduction message you could tell us how you use
GIS, how you use FOSS GIS, and what you might like to see a California
Chapter accomplish.

 

 

 



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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] local chapters

[Landon Blake]

Dimitris,

Check out this link:

http://www.osgeo.org/content/chapters/guidelines.html

That should help.

Landon

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Dear all,

I briefly followed some discussions on how to create a local chapter of 
OSGEO. So my apologies for asking probably yet once more the same 
question but I would like to know:
- how can one start a local chapter?
- is there a link somewhere detailing the process?
- is there a process (I mean legally) that should be followed?

If somebody could answer that I would be grateful since we have a first 
open source GIS event in about a month time and I think it would be a 
great time to announce it.
I am interested in creating a Greek Local Chapter.
Additionally if there is any ready made material that presents the 
organization could somebody direct me to it so that I can try (but not 
necessarily succeed :)) to present the ongoing efforts.

Best regards to all,
and again my apologies for asking the same questions over again.


Dimitris Kotzinos



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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] packaging FOSS GIS for Ubuntu in education

[Landon Blake]

This would be a really good time for me to get updated Debian packages
for JTS and OpenJUMP complete.

I've been using Debian for a couple of years now, but I've never made a
package for the operating system. I have done some reading on it. It is
a little tricky for Java programs, especially one like OpenJUMP that
depends on a set folder structure.

But if we are putting together a CD of open source GIS packages for
Ubuntu then I need to get my act together and work through the technical
issues.

At any rate, I'd be interested in helping prepare debs for OpenJUMP and
JTS at a minimum, but I might be able to help with other FOSS GIS Java
packages as well. 

I downloaded the old OpenJUMP package today. I'll see what I can learn
from its structure this week.

Landon

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Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] packaging FOSS GIS for Ubuntu in education

Frank, I wondered how long it would take to chime in.

Frank and I have discussed this topic before and I promised him I'd 
write up my thoughts. This email thread has spurred me into action. My 
thoughts (most of which have been gleaned from my emails) are blogged
at:

http://techblog.terrapages.com/2007/10/path-to-ubiquitous-osgeo-software
html

Frank Warmerdam wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I'm not sure I have a lot to add to this thread, but it is a topic 
> close to
> my heart, so I will chime in.
>
> I think Venka's idea of a standalone CD set for OSGeo software
packages
> on Ubuntu is a great idea.  I especially appreciate the fact that it 
> builds
> on the existing great work of the DebianGIS team (ported to Ubuntu 
> from the
> Debian source packages as I understand).
>
> I am sensitive to the issue that OSGeo can't very practically pick one
> Linux distribution and ignore all the rest.  So I'm not sure that this
> effort will be the ultimate solution to OSGeo software for Linux, but
it
> is practical and achievable in the short to medium term.  Delivering a
> product CD based on Ubuntu builds on a popular distribution and is
> particularly sympatico with the conference given the south african
> origins of Ubuntu.
>
> It seems to me there are a few angles on which we can work this topic.
>
> 1) rough out a plan of the sort of stack of software we want to offer,
> potentially tied to the education material and use cases we are trying
> to support.
>
> 2) Review what is missing from this in DebianGIS and try to find 
> volunteers
> to help the DebianGIS project package the appropriate software.  There
is
> a fair amount of expertise needed for Debian packaging (IMHO), but a
few
> volunteers willing to invest 30-50 hours over the coming 6-7 months
could
> make quite a difference.  But we need to realize DebianGIS is a well
> established project with it's own culture and expectations and be 
> prepared
> to work within this.
>
> It might be helpful for OSGeo to maintain a Debian system (as a VM or
a
> whole blade) to provide a working and testing environment for folks
who
> don't run Debian at home/work.
>
> 3) Find out what is needed to bring UbuntuGIS up to the appropriate 
> packages.
> I don't know what people are involved in UbuntuGIS or how they 
> operate.  My
> understanding is that for major new Ubuntu releases the UbuntuGIS 
> packages
> are built from the DebianGIS source packages.
>
> 4) Putting this together on CD/DVD is where the rubber hits the road.
It
> would be great if Venka can lead this aspect, but I'm sure he would
> appreciate help.  There is no reason that a first draft of this can't
> be prepared based on existing packages.
>
> One cool things is that Debian, and regular network based Ubuntu uses 
> also
> all benefit from the upstream efforts.  I love this sort of leverage!
>
> -- 
>
> I'm not sure what OSGeo can do to facilitate this activity.  We
obviously
> can't direct volunteers, only encourage them.  We don't have funding
> targeted for such an effort.  However, if a modest amount of money
> could make a big difference I might be able to scare some up.
>
> I'm confident we can provide mailing lists, wiki space, server space,
> and bandwidth if these are helpful.
>
> I have cc:ed Frankie, the DebianGIS lead, in the hopes he could
comment
> on how we can help support the DebianGIS effort.
>
> Best regards,


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Proposal: Statement of OSGeo Legal Support

[Landon Blake]

Cameron,

I think this is an excellent idea, and a lawyer should definitely be
consulted. I wonder if the legal staff at the Software Freedom
Conservancy could assist.

Landon

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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:56 AM
To: OSGeo-Board
Cc: OSGeo Discussions; Adrian Custer
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Proposal: Statement of OSGeo Legal
Support

OSGeo Board, (CC to OSGeo Discuss),

During the founding of OSGeo, it was often noted that OSGeo projects
would benefit from OSGeo legal protection. Now, as Geotools wrestles
with graduation criteria and how to handle license assignment, the
nature and level of legal protection offered by OSGeo is unclear. Also 
unclear is the level of legal review available (as tested by Geotools 
crafting of a Copywrite Assignment document).
Consequently, geotools is having difficulty deciding whether it is wise
to assign copywrite to OSGeo.

I suspect a large part of the problem is that board members (like
myself) are not lawyers and don't have a clear understanding of the
options, the value of each of the options to OSGeo and the projects (how
much protection is given), and the cost both in time and financially.
Key questions to answer for each option are:
* What level of support is given to contributors and license reviewers
(individuals and companies)
* What level of support is given to OSGeo users?
* What level of support is given to projects? Will OSGeo fight a license
infringer on behalf of a project?
* What level of support is given to the OSGeo Foundation?

*Proposal*
That the board makes a clear statement on their website about nature and
level of support offered by OSGeo to OSGeo projects and Individuals.
This statement needs to be backed up with a budget item addressing
financial implications related to the statement.

Implementation:
I suggest the steps to achieve the above would be:
1. Board approves budget to have a lawyer, or volunteer with legal
review, to draw up a list of options and their financial implications. 
Adrian Custer's review provides an excellent basis for a lawyer to start

from. http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Geotools+Legal+Review
2. Board votes to select best option.
3. OSGeo financial sponsors are given opportunity to contribute to 
decision.
4. OSGeo budgets for decision
5. OSGeo records the legal stance publicly (on a webpage).

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Proposal: Statement of OSGeo Legal Support

[Landon Blake]

I have a contact at the Freedom Law Center. If no one here objects I
could send an e-mail inquiring about legal services or advice for the
OSGeo.

 

Landon

 



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IMO 


Good call Cameron. 


In this day and age it would pay to be proactive on these types of
issues. 


It's been a while since I last looked at this. 

>From memory, a number of large companies have pledged resources to help
defend FOSS. I'm not sure where this is at currently. 

I think that its with the Linux Foundation -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Linux_Foundation (formed in 2007 from
The Open Source Development Labs and the Free Standards Group). 

You may also want to look at the Software Freedom Law Centre founded by
Eben Moglen. I understand that they provide pro-bono legal services to
protect and advance Free and Open Source Software: 

http://www.softwarefreedom.org/technology/ 



Bruce 
  





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Good processes + no money is an acceptable strategy so long as we have 
consciously made this decision and everyone is aware of the strategy.

Allan Doyle wrote:
>
> On Oct 30, 2007, at 15:09 , Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
>
>> Way back on that cold day in Chicago, I'm not sure anyone ever really
>> thought about what it would mean when we said we'd "offer legal
>> protection".
>>
>> Does it imply/lead-to/entail some sort of indemnification?  Ouch,
that
>> would be pricey...  How does the Apache gang, et al, handle this?
>
> My recollection is that the Apache gang carefully keeps their coffers 
> empty and makes sure the code all legally belongs to the Apache 
> Foundation. Thus there's not enough of a pot of gold to win in a suit.
>
> However, I'm guessing that this strategy depends on a pretty 
> well-defined process to ensure there are no loopholes.
>
> Allan
>
>>
>>
>> -mpg
>>
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Landon Blake
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:56 AM
>>> To: OSGeo Discussions
>>> Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Proposal: Statement of
>>> OSGeo Legal Support
>>>
>>> Cameron,
>>>
>>> I think this is an excellent idea, and a lawyer should definitely be
>>> consulted. I wonder if the legal staff at the Software Freedom
>>> Conservancy could assist.
>>>
>>> Landon
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron
Shorter
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:56 AM
>>> To: OSGeo-Board
>>> Cc: OSGeo Discussions; Adrian Custer
>>> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Proposal: Statement of OSGeo Legal
>>> Support
>>>
>>> OSGeo Board, (CC to OSGeo Discuss),
>>>
>>> During the founding of OSGeo, it was often noted that OSGeo projects
>>> would benefit from OSGeo legal protection. Now, as Geotools wrestles
>>> with graduation criteria and how to handle license assignment, the
>>> nature and level of legal protection offered by OSGeo is
>>> unclear. Also
>>> unclear is the level of legal review available (as tested by
Geotools
>>> crafting of a Copywrite Assignment document).
>>> Consequently, geotools is having difficulty deciding whether
>>> it is wise
>>> to assign copywrite to OSGeo.
>>>
>>> I suspect a large part of the problem is that board members (like
>>> myself) are not lawyers and don't have a clear understanding of the
>>> options, the value of each of the options to OSGeo and the
>>> projects (how
>>> much protection is given), and the cost both in time and
financially.
>>> Key questions to answer for each option are:
>>> * What level of support is given to contributors and license
reviewers
>>> (individuals and companies)
>>> * What level of support is given to OSGeo users?
>>> * What level of support is given to projects? Will OSGeo
>>> fight a license
>>> infringer on behalf of a project?
>>> * What level of support is given to the OSGeo Foundation?
>>>
>>

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Proposal: Statement of OSGeo Legal Support

[Landon Blake]

O.K. Jody. I didn't realize others were already working on this.

I've already bored some people on this list with my thoughts on the
OSGeo scope. The main benefit that I get from the OSGeo is a place to
communicate with other professionals that are advocates of GIS. What I'd
like to see OSGeo do more of in the future:

- Ease the process of "open sourcing" a GIS program for commercial
companies or government entities. I'd especially like to see the
promotion of FOSS GIS in government. It seems to be a logical fit. I
think this will be difficult in the United States, because ESRI is
strongly entrenched in government, and money talks a big talk in our
political system. Still, I think we can fight this battle by creating
useful tools that fill gaps in the ESRI GIS production chain. I think we
can also fill it by targeting small government agencies that can't
afford pricier ESRI offerings. One advantage we have over ESRI software
is that the stuff sure is expensive. :] I think the OSGeo labs might be
a step in the correct direction.

- Creation of educational content that focuses on open source software.
People still with what they learn in school, and having educational
material structured around open source software would be one way to
introduce future mapping professionals to open source early on. It also
works great for cash-strapped educational programs. I think we are
already moving this direction with some effort on the Free GIS Book.

- Coordinate more cooperation between the different FOSS GIS players. I
know that this has been difficult on the Java side of things. It seems
like we get started on some efforts at collaboration, but they slowly
fizzle out. I'm not really sure how the OSGeo might be able to help, but
I'm open to ideas.

- More engagement with our largest sponsor, Autodesk. They are a huge
player in many ways, especially in the survey, engineering, and land
development arenas. What could the OSGeo do to foster a more active
relationship with them?

Landon

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Not quite yet Landon; Jo was kind enough to contact someone with a few 
questions already (I cannot remember which organization but their seems 
to be several). Adrian Custer was also in contact with some FSF types.

Until the board decides on the scope of its activities I do  not want to

trouble people further; suffice to say it looks like there are 
organizations around willing to help a non profit such as OSGeo out.

The real question is what scope do you want the Foundation to have?
Jody

Landon Blake wrote:
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> I have a contact at the Freedom Law Center. If no one here objects I 
> could send an e-mail inquiring about legal services or advice for the 
> OSGeo.
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> I think that its with the Linux Foundation - 
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Linux_Foundation (formed in 2007 
> from The Open Source Development Labs and the Free Standards Group).
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> You may also want to look at the Software Freedom Law Centre founded 
> by Eben Moglen. I understand that they provide pro-bono legal services

> to protect and advance Free and Open Source Software:
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> Good processes + no money is an acceptable strategy so long as we have
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Proposal: Statement of OSGeo Legal Support

[Landon Blake]

Arnulf wrote: " As long as we have more or less empty pockets and do not
aim at leveraging money as a major facilitator against anybody and we
continue to build our brand as being a straight group of spatial FOSS
addicts there is little reason to get at us from the legal side anyway.
What would you get? A bad reputation, little or no money at all and a
large bunch of really angry people. Hooray, lets go sue some
Foundations."

This is good point. However, I don't think we should forget the
possibility of legal action that doesn't seek money, but to simply "shut
down" an organization. Lawsuits can be very scary things, and I think we
can all bring to mind or FOSS project or two that was shut down because
of the mere threat of a lawsuit. Sometimes it only takes a nasty letter
from a lawyer to shut things down.

Arnulf wrote: " We should get a lawyer only when we need one as we
cannot anticipate in which context we will need her."

In my humble opinion it is always better to talk to a layer sooner
rather than latter, especially if we can do it for free. But Arnulf is
correct, we should have specific topics to discuss. Perhaps we need to
create a well defined scope for the OSGeo and then talk to a lawyer
about issues we need to be aware of based on that scope?

Landon

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Cameron Shorter wrote:
> Good processes + no money is an acceptable strategy so long as we have

> consciously made this decision and everyone is aware of the strategy.

Hello,
keeping budgets low already is a corporate strategy of OSGeo as far as I
am concerned. I am eager to extend this strategy to Legal Support. We
are not here to fight legal wars but to further Free and Open Source
Software. Whenever someone does want to pick on us we should have a
solid ground and we have this with the incubation guidelines as they
are. All that has to  happen then will then happen, not now. 

As long as we have more or less empty pockets and do not aim at
leveraging money as a major facilitator against anybody and we continue
to build our brand as being a straight group of spatial FOSS addicts
there is little reason to get at us from the legal side anyway. What
would you get? A bad reputation, little or no money at all and a large
bunch of really angry people. Hooray, lets go sue some Foundations. 

I disagree with Frank and find that Adrian Custer's proposed document
for the GeoTools Project is a good starting point. As everything in this
world it is not perfect and it will develop in future. Additionally I
think we do not even need this document if it gives anybody a headache. 

My personal opinion is that a lot of the discussion is beside the point
and we are oftentimes confusing copyright, ownership, originator's
rights, branding and what really makes up a project - the community
around it. We should get a lawyer only when we need one as we cannot
anticipate in which context we will need her. Please never ever be IANAL
again, I am tired of reading that phrase. 

Call me simplistic but I am still of the strong opinion that all we need
to do is get some GeoTools developers go through the project files,
change the Copyright to point at OSGeo and commit. My only concern was
that the developers might feel they lose control and OSGeo could go
berserk and sell the code Copyright to some big bad corporation. I think
it simply cannot. And even if it did it wouldn't make any difference as
anybody can always fork the last GNUed one and go for it. Can we get
over it, please and let GeoTools graduate?  

Best regards, 
Arnulf. 


> Allan Doyle wrote:
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>> On Oct 30, 2007, at 15:09 , Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
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>>> Way back on that cold day in Chicago, I'm not sure anyone ever
really
>>> thought about what it would mean when we said we'd "offer legal
>>> protection".
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>>> Does it imply/lead-to/entail some sort of indemnification?  Ouch,
that
>>> would be pricey...  How does the Apache gang, et al, handle this?
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>> My recollection is that the Apache gang carefully keeps their coffers

>> empty and makes sure the code all legally belongs to the Apache 
>> Foundation. Thus there's not enough of a pot of gold to win in a
suit.
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>> However, I'm guessing that this strategy depends on a pretty 
>> well-defined process to ensure there are no loopholes.
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>> Allan
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