Re: [slim] Alarm volume on synced players
erland;564058 Wrote: I'm guessing most people don't use alarm together with synchronized devices. If there is someone that uses this and reads this thread it would be interesting to get some information how it works and how they use them. I generally keep three or four players around the house synced. I live alone, so it doesn't matter that the other players play the alarm. In fact, since I generally leave the alarm running instead of turning it off, I prefer it. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80656 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Alarm volume on synced players
All synced players go off if one player has an alarm, all nowplaying pl get replaced with the alarm pl . Volume ? There is a sync option to sync volume controls too ? I never used that . Therefore I don't know what happens then. Proposed experiment sync volume and set an alarm and see what happens . I assume that players with locked volume does not deviate from 100% . Imho the current volume sync is a little primitive and not really useful. It should be a master volume and also an individual volume for each client type off control. Example it is a very rare occasion that 50% squeezebox volume on your boom and Touch produces exactly the desired spl in each location, so you really need to offset them sometimes -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80656 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] newest boom random strangeness- any ideas?
ah thanks for the ideas. this is actually the only boom i've bought that didn't require me to email logitech to wipe the previous owner's account! the ir interference is certainly a possibility. i've disabled it to see if this has any effect. nothing else in the room accidentally turns on though, and at the moment this boom is sitting on the floor in front of my classic, but we shall see. hope this is all the problem is otherwise i'll do a factory reset i suppose. it was on this morning, waiting for me... thanks! -- mauler mauler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46538 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88313 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Music-Playback now on ANDROID! SqueezePlayer released to the market ...
Does SqueezePlayer says 'connecting ...' on the main screen or 'no connection' when you set up the Bluetooth Tethering? I can have a look into it by the end of the week, but would need to send you a custom version if SqueezePlayer right now says 'no connection'. Please contact me via support(at)squeezeplayer.com so that I have your e-mail address. -- bluegaspode Did you know: *'SqueezePlayer' (www.squeezeplayer.com)* will stream all your music to your Android device. Take your music everywhere! Remote Control + Streaming to your iPad? *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87364 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Better quality BBC live Radio outside the UK
Outside the UK, the normal live radio streams are 32kbps AAC and 48kbps for WMA. The Radio 3 High Quality stream at 320kbps AAC stream has been known for a while but BBC seems to have also enabled all other live radio at 128kbps AAC for users outside UK (at least in Ireland). It is probably experimental and not guaranteed to last. Try the following: BBC Radio 1 - 128kbps http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r1_aaclca.pls - 128 Kbps BBC Radio 2 - 128kbps http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r2_aaclca.pls - 128 Kbps BBC Radio 3 - 320kbps http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r3_aaclca.pls - 320 Kbps BBC Radio 4 - 128kbps http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r4_aaclca.pls - 128 Kbps BBC Radio 4 LW - 128kbps http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r4lw_aaclca.pls - 128 Kbps BBC Radio 4 Extra - 128kbps http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r4x_aaclca.pls - 128 Kbps BBC 5 Live - 128kbps http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r5l_aaclca.pls - 128 Kbps BBC 5 Live Sports Extra - 128kbps http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r5lsp_aaclca.pls - 128 Kbps BBC 6 Music - 128kbps http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r6_aaclca.pls - 128 Kbps BBC 1Xtra - 128kbps http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r1x_aaclca.pls - 128 Kbps -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88320 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezeslave 1.1-253 lcdproc 0.5.4
Yes, I'm still maintaining squeezeslave. Thanks for the update. I'll investigate how better to handle the lcdproc changes for a future release. -- ralphy Ralphy *4*-Classics, *2*-Booms, *12*-Squeezeslaves 'Squeezeslave' (http://code.google.com/p/squeezeslave/) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donationsbusiness=LL5P6365KQEXNlc=CAitem_name=Squeezeslavecurrency_code=USDbn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88315 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
@gruntwolla: Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. Why not a Touch in every place one might otherwise have a Receiver? The price difference (about $150) is small compared to the overall cost when you include amp and speakers, and you get better quality and more functionality. And saying the Radio cannot be considered as part of a multi room audio system is just bonkers. While the Radio isn't high-end audio, it's fine for places where you may not want/need a full separates setup. More to the point, it shares the same music library with the rest of the SBs, can be sync'd, etc., which are the core characteristics of a multi room system. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
aubuti;636446 Wrote: @gruntwolla: Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. Why not a Touch in every place one might otherwise have a Receiver? The price difference (about $150) is small compared to the overall cost when you include amp and speakers, and you get better quality and more functionality. And saying the Radio cannot be considered as part of a multi room audio system is just bonkers. While the Radio isn't high-end audio, it's fine for places where you may not want/need a full separates setup. More to the point, it shares the same music library with the rest of the SBs, can be sync'd, etc., which are the core characteristics of a multi room system. +1 on both the touch and radio. I keep a radio in my wife's giant dressing room/walk in closet which is perfect for her in the morning listening to NPR while getting ready for work. It has a battery, so I can also drag it out to the front porch or back patio if I want outside music. Also use one at our weekend place in the very tiny galley kitchen where the sound from the main system is just not quite reaching the space clearly. And again, as a bonus, it has a battery and I can also drag it out to the deck for outside music. And as noted, I can sync with other players, access my own music, etc. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] newest boom random strangeness- any ideas?
mauler;636432 Wrote: it was on this morning, waiting for me... thanks! The Stephen King special edition Boom? -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88313 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] newest boom random strangeness- any ideas?
mauler;636432 Wrote: ah thanks for the ideas. this is actually the only boom i've bought that didn't require me to email logitech to wipe the previous owner's account! the ir interference is certainly a possibility. i've disabled it to see if this has any effect. nothing else in the room accidentally turns on though, and at the moment this boom is sitting on the floor in front of my classic, but we shall see. hope this is all the problem is otherwise i'll do a factory reset i suppose. it was on this morning, waiting for me... thanks! My radio is charging in the same room as my Touch so if use the ir remote I get unexpected results :) All sb acts on the same ir so yes the classic ir remote will work on boom and radio and Touch and the other way to , Touch remote works fine on classic etc -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88313 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
Touch is worth the extra price for also having a decent interface(s) for setup and diagnostics. Wifi is also better than the reciever. receiver is rather annoying in that it's only comunicating to you with 1 button and a colored led ;) try to make sense about that. Touch also supports more native formats will help the server greatly so you can have a much weaker server as transcoding is not needed that much . What server is needed if 8 recievers would tune in different AAC channels ? I do multiroom with boom in the bedroom and Classic with speakers in the kitchen, Classic in the kitchen may be exchanged for a Touch in the future and a radio in the bath or balcony . imho Touch is perfect for multiroom -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
I should say that while I think the current offerings are enough to equip a multi-room system, it would be good to see new developments, while working to improve the reliability of the current offerings in parallel. If we want to speculate about what would be a good next step, I agree with HectorHughMunro's suggestion earlier in this thread (and similar suggestions scattered around other threads) for an upgraded Touch. The upgraded version should have enough processing oomph to run TinySBS reliably with a wide range of USB drives. And a bigger screen. But I'm not holding my breath for either. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
And a new bigger radio to replace both boom and radio boom2, bm I'm unsure if any upgraded Touch could be big enough to run the server, this could be wasted resources to have so much cpu in each player, better a logitech branded base station who is an atom based server . Imho decent server performance is atom and better. But if Touch2 comes out woth more cpu to run a server, why not scrap Tiny SBS completely from the Touch and keep it and lover it's price 10% so that feature is not expected. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezeslave 1.1-253 lcdproc 0.5.4
thanks for your work! -- Bill0t Bill0t's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88315 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
I'm just thinking of how marketing would cope with a Touch Pro / Touch II / Touch Base Station. Now it really works. All USB-Drives + Large Libraries would hit the nail, but doesn't sound all too good. Guess they'd need to implement some new special features (hopefully that doesn't cost much in development, but can be printed in large letters on the package). - Access to Samba-File-Shares (to better compete with Sonos) ? - Touch Base Station ... missing audio outs (what a waste ...) ? - Upgraded Visuals/Screensavers ? -- bluegaspode Did you know: *'SqueezePlayer' (www.squeezeplayer.com)* will stream all your music to your Android device. Take your music everywhere! Remote Control + Streaming to your iPad? *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
bluegaspode;636471 Wrote: - Access to Samba-File-Shares (to better compete with Sonos) ? - Touch Base Station ... missing audio outs (what a waste ...) ? - Upgraded Visuals/Screensavers ? - Retina display - Can play Angry Birds - Slimmer :-) On a serious note, in addition to Bluegaspode's suggestions, I think it would be nice to see an adjustable stand. The angle works well in some situations, but not others. Even if the adjustment was as inelegant as having to loosen some screws, I think it would be worth doing. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 34,767 songs, 2,776 albums, 505 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MAC address cloning
At the OS level both pieces of hardware have their own mac address, it is only within the squeezeplayer that the problems occur. Shared mac address: 00:0e:8e:24:b8:84 Player 1 mac address (from ifconfig): 00:0E:8E:24:B8:84 Player 2 mac address (from ifconfig): 00:0E:8E:24:AC:74 That's why I'm posting, if it were as simple as setting the mac address used by the hardware I would be able to fix it! I'm currently on my third attempt to hand out the source so that I can grep through it and see what there is to see. I gave up handing out the whole lot after the problems I found with the squeezeos part of the repository - I'm now only handing out the player ... sadly that seems to stall fairly often too :s -- oomwat oomwat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88306 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What The **** Do I Need?
iTunes = iVirus. Let's move on. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Music-Playback now on ANDROID! SqueezePlayer released to the market ...
bluegaspode;636434 Wrote: Does SqueezePlayer says 'connecting ...' on the main screen or 'no connection' when you set up the Bluetooth Tethering? I can have a look into it by the end of the week, but would need to send you a custom version if SqueezePlayer right now says 'no connection'. Please contact me via support(at)squeezeplayer.com so that I have your e-mail address. Squeezeplayer does say No connection. I sent you my email address just now. I really appreciate the help! -- jakebake jakebake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47549 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87364 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What The **** Do I Need?
don't miss the point, i also hate itunes... but the wifi part of that eco-system is much better, its more robust and reliable, works easier, etc... say what you will about itunes, i'll agree with it most likely, but the airplay portion of what they do is very kickass, and its why you now see 3rd party hardware support it. i wonder if eventually someone will create a SBS/itunes server type hybrid...? some kind of open source server that supports airplay? if they did, it would really solve a lot of issues for most people on both sides of this. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
The old hardware most obviously in need of a next generation is the Boom, and since the Boom has been end-of-lifed, there's no conflict with existing products. (The Radio ain't even close to being a suitable replacement for the Boom.) Heck, Logitech could even re-use the identical rear housing from the Boom, and upgrade it with new guts and front panel/display. -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slacker Premium Radio
Bump! We need some votes on this if we ever want to see Slacker Premium features added to Squeezebox. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17281 -- MeSue SUE 1 Duet | 2 Booms | 1 Radio | 1 Touch (beta) | 1 SB2 HP MediaSmart EX470 | Squeezebox Server 7.5 | iPod Touch w/ iPeng Find me on 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue) | 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/suechastain) MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87771 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What The **** Do I Need?
MrSinatra;636498 Wrote:
i wonder if eventually someone will create a SBS/itunes server type
hybrid...? some kind of open source server that supports airplay? if
they did, it would really solve a lot of issues for most people on both
sides of this.
You mean like an Vortexbox Appliance (which already exists) ?
It currently run:
- A Squeezebox Server
- A UPnP server
- A DAAP server
- Also works like a player through its Vortexbox Player
- Contains web based tagging and automatic ripping software
- Everything pre-installed I believe, more or less you just have to
turn on the box, put the music on it and start playing.
And pretty soon unless they are afraid of legal actions from Apple, I
bet it will also run a ShairPort server which is the audio portion of
AirPort protocol. Since they already include a DAAP server it feels
like ShairPort should also be a possibility.
As mentioned elsewhere, including full support for AirPlay gets more
complicated unless you have enough margins to pay the license fees to
Apple.
Or is VortexBox uninteresting because it's released by a small company
and not a big organization like Logitech, Apple or Microsoft ?
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Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
TiredLegs;636502 Wrote: The old hardware most obviously in need of a next generation is the Boom, and since the Boom has been end-of-lifed, there's no conflict with existing products. (The Radio ain't even close to being a suitable replacement for the Boom.) Heck, Logitech could even re-use the identical rear housing from the Boom, and upgrade it with new guts and front panel/display. +1 Spot on. -- eganders eganders's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
I'd bet Slim/Logitech learned their lesson (the hard way) with the Duet and will likely never offer another player absent a screen. No screen, relying on another hardware device (Controller), with no web UI setup, is just another CSR nightmare in the making. ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
TiredLegs;636502 Wrote: The old hardware most obviously in need of a next generation is the Boom, and since the Boom has been end-of-lifed, there's no conflict with existing products. (The Radio ain't even close to being a suitable replacement for the Boom.) Heck, Logitech could even re-use the identical rear housing from the Boom, and upgrade it with new guts and front panel/display. Totally agree. The Boom is an incredible piece of equipment. If we ever do see a Boom2, I just hope it sounds as good as the original. -- ajkidle Squeezeboxen: 2x SBR, SB3, 2x Boom, Radio Controlled by: iPhone 4 running iPeng 1.3.2 Server: MSI Nettop 100 running VortexBox 1.9 ajkidle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
TiredLegs;636502 Wrote: The old hardware most obviously in need of a next generation is the Boom, and since the Boom has been end-of-lifed, there's no conflict with existing products. (The Radio ain't even close to being a suitable replacement for the Boom.) Heck, Logitech could even re-use the identical rear housing from the Boom, and upgrade it with new guts and front panel/display. +1 And fix the problem with the woofer mounting/surrounds(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82497) -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
have you guys seen the apple TV? for $99 you have a simple, easy to use piece of hardware that can stream audio and video digitally. your ipod and/or iphone can control it as soon as its plugged in, or use the tiny 3 button remote that comes with it. what does logitech have to compete with that? SBS? the revue? this is the problem. logitech solutions have basically one selling point: do you hate apple? then use us. yes, i like the HQ audio things, and of course SBS is better in many ways than itunes, but how many people care about that? for most people, (not me, but most others) itunes sounds and acts fine. how many also want some kind of video for their money? and we saw what a gigantic thud flop the revue was, and not surprising given the money involved. i think logitech needs to really reduce the cost of the hardware first of all. and secondly, the hardware ought to support DLNA, so you can use other stuff besides SBS, like WMP for example. its getting harder and harder to justify going the slim way. it is positioned, as far as i can tell, only for audiophiles who hate apple, and out of those, only those audiophiles for who other easier, cheaper solutions aren't good enough. did i mention video? obviously they have clue about this, as the coming transition to LMS is slated to finally, finally include DLNA in the server, as well as some (planned anyway) video support. but talk bout coming late to the party. imo, the current hardware is too expensive, too poorly thought out, and not capable of sustaining slim as things quickly evolve around them. for now, i am avoiding the apple universe, and other competing solutions to SBS have their own drawbacks and so on that don't yet overcome my investment in slim, but if someone came out with say, a $99 product that wasn't apple, that let me use whatever software i want to send audio or video to it, to play on my stereo or whatever, i'd dump slim in a second. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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aubuti;636512 Wrote: +1 And fix the problem with the woofer mounting/surrounds(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82497) 1 basically the woofer will eventually cut lose it's only a matter of time and hove loud you play. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bluegaspode;636471 Wrote:
I'm just thinking of how marketing would cope with a Touch Pro / Touch
II / Touch Base Station.
Now it really works. All USB-Drives + Large Libraries
would hit the nail, but doesn't sound all too good.
Guess they'd need to implement some new special features (hopefully
that doesn't cost much in development, but can be printed in large
letters on the package).
- Access to Samba-File-Shares (to better compete with Sonos) ?
- Touch Base Station ... missing audio outs (what a waste ...) ?
- Upgraded Visuals/Screensavers ?
Think VortexBox Appliance but cheaper:
- Automatic ripping and tagging
- Simple small display with small letters mainly used for
troubleshooting
- Built-in player
- Built-in Squeezebox Server
This will give people a choice so they could either choose:
1. Logitech Squeezebox Touch
- Central color display in the room that shows what's playing
- Reliable highend audio
- Use a computer of their choice or mysqueezebox.com as server
or
2. Logitech Media Server
- Silent and fast media server, both for video and audio streaming
- Built-in CDROM for automatic ripping and tagging
- Use external USB drive or external NAS for storage
- Built-in mid-end audio hardware with auto output for people who don't
care about audio quality but want a player in the room where they have
the server
This way people who want highend audio or a central display will go for
the Touch, people that primarily want a silent fast server will go for
the Logitech Media Server and people who want both will get both.
The CDROM could maybe just be a USB port which allows an USB CDROM to
be connected but with todays prices on CDROM's I suspect a built-in one
might be justified.
The tricky part is going to be how to handle the built-in server in the
Touch, it's going to make users upset if it's just dropped but Logitech
probably don't want to spend a lot of support/maintenance time to
maintain it.
(For those that wonders, LMS mentioned in the beta section of the forum
is just software, I just reused the name above since it would also work
for new hardware)
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MrSinatra;636513 Wrote:
have you guys seen the apple TV?
Yes but they have decided to not sell it in Sweden, at least not yet.
I could import it but it still loose a lot of its attractiveness
without support for Netflix and similar services which aren't available
in Sweden. Streaming from iTunes on a desktop is not something I plan to
do.
MrSinatra;636513 Wrote:
imo, the current hardware is too expensive, too poorly thought out, and
not capable of sustaining slim as things quickly evolve around them.
And AppleTV is too cheep. Well, I'm happy it's this cheep, but compared
to anything else it's really cheep for what it does. Apple can release
it this cheep because they can sell a lot of them, someone like
Logitech would have a hard time selling similar amount of devices so
they need to increase the prices a little bit.
However, I do agree with you partly, the Touch have too slow CPU and
too little memory to be a server and too fast CPU and too much memory
to just be a player, so if the CPU and/or memory results in a higher
price they definitely selected the wrong hardware configuration.
Personally I suspect it's a lot of other things than CPU/memory that
sets the price, for example the display, and I also suspect the
CPU/memory were restricted by the selected hardware platform at the
time so they maybe didn't have much choices. They do now, but not when
they started to develop the Touch.
MrSinatra;636513 Wrote:
for now, i am avoiding the apple universe, and other competing
solutions to SBS have their own drawbacks and so on that don't yet
overcome my investment in slim, but if someone came out with say, a $99
product that wasn't apple, that let me use whatever software i want to
send audio or video to it, to play on my stereo or whatever, i'd dump
slim in a second.
Apple is mass market, so if you want mid-range audio quality and
simplicity, that's where you should go.
If you want high-end audio and customization possibilities, you will
never get that from Apple because things like that doesn't sell on the
mass market it just increase the price and maintenance/support costs.
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Re: [slim] Slacker Premium Radio
MeSue;636503 Wrote: Bump! We need some votes on this if we ever want to see Slacker Premium features added to Squeezebox. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17281 Just voted. This would also be a big factor in determining whether I pay for Slacker Premium after my trial expires. -- gdpeck gdpeck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4686 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87771 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Better quality BBC live Radio outside the UK
bpa;636443 Wrote: Outside the UK, the normal live radio streams are 32kbps AAC and 48kbps for WMA. The Radio 3 High Quality stream at 320kbps AAC stream has been known for a while but BBC seems to have also enabled all other live radio at 128kbps AAC for users outside UK (at least in Ireland). Fine here in the Czech Republic too. Chris -- Chris Shorter Chris Shorter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88320 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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This is my biggest fear about the future of Squeezebox. The music services that I use today could easily become second tier players (or go out of business) 5 years from now. Unless Logitech aggressively adds support for newer online music services (Google, Amazon, Slacker premium, MOG, etc), my players could become obsolete for my use model. -- Mark Miksis Mark Miksis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=529 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87771 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;636517 Wrote: Yes but they have decided to not sell it in Sweden, at least not yet. I could import it but it still loose a lot of its attractiveness without support for Netflix and similar services which aren't available in Sweden. Streaming from iTunes on a desktop is not something I plan to do. just fyi, you don't have to. many NAS boxes, like readynas for example, come with a built in itunes server. whats great about that, is you can then use apple hardware, without actually needing a mac, or running itunes on a computer. erland;636517 Wrote: And AppleTV is too cheep. Well, I'm happy it's this cheep, but compared to anything else it's really cheep for what it does. Apple can release it this cheep because they can sell a lot of them, someone like Logitech would have a hard time selling similar amount of devices so they need to increase the prices a little bit. well, over here, we don't pity the losers. you compete or you get out. with the touch / revue being THREE TIMES the price of apple TV, (and airport express is even cheaper) logitech needs to up its game, BIG TIME. its not a small difference. erland;636517 Wrote: However, I do agree with you partly, the Touch have too slow CPU and too little memory to be a server and too fast CPU and too much memory to just be a player, so if the CPU and/or memory results in a higher price they definitely selected the wrong hardware configuration. Personally I suspect it's a lot of other things than CPU/memory that sets the price, for example the display, and I also suspect the CPU/memory were restricted by the selected hardware platform at the time so they maybe didn't have much choices. They do now, but not when they started to develop the Touch. i basically agree with you, but i said from the start that the touch was a dopey, flawed product. as you make clear, its too expensive to be just aplayer, and too under powered to be a true server, and i would add to that, that most people will have it attached to a stereo, and won't want or need to sit right next to it to control it, and likewise will be too far away from it for the screen to truly matter. the whole thing is just really poorly thought out imo. what should they have? two devices with no screens. one (more expensive) with server and one without. then let phone apps (or computer based SP) control them, set them up, and act as remotes. if that takes off and sales are good, then consider a third model which adds a screen. the devices should also support DLNA; DLNA shouldn't be on the server (7.6) only. erland;636517 Wrote: Apple is mass market, so if you want mid-range audio quality and simplicity, that's where you should go. If you want high-end audio and customization possibilities, you will never get that from Apple because things like that doesn't sell on the mass market it just increase the price and maintenance/support costs. i would argue that if someone was sending music digitally to their stereo via apple hardware/itunes, you would be hard pressed to actually hear the difference in a similar SBS digital setup. but i know there's a lot of religious audiophiles here, so i'll just say i think most people would fail a double blind test between the two. but i do agree that apples software is totally lacking and crap, and there are many good reasons i agree with, not to use it. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;636461 Wrote: I'm unsure if any upgraded Touch could be big enough to run the server, this could be wasted resources to have so much cpu in each player... The Touch can not do 192 kHz because of the CPU, the rest of the HW could do it, to support 192 kHz you probably would need twice the amount of CPU of the current Touch. 192 kHz is essential for bragging rights. From my experience, what is sucking CPU and memory is usually not the server functions, but the user interface. I've put a web server, PHP and a database on the first gen Gumstix, which is slower than the current Touch. On the other hand, if you want smoother VU meters and frequency analysers, you will want more CPU and memory. Same for smooth coverflow. Moore's law always work in your favor. Every 18 months, you get double the CPU and memory for the same price. What goes today in your cell phone will trickle to your Touch. Mnyb;636461 Wrote: better a logitech branded base station who is an atom based server. From what I can see, normal people don't buy infrastructure. Geeks have a long term plan and invest in infrastructure, because they see the value. Normal people want instant gratification of their emotional purchase. This is why everybody goes with a Cloud approach, it's far easier to sell infrastructure as a service. In other words, a device that does nothing by itself is to me a non starter, unless you bundle it as a useful package. bluegaspode;636471 Wrote: Guess they'd need to implement some new special features (hopefully that doesn't cost much in development, but can be printed in large letters on the package). 1) Bigger screen. Those tablet/PMP screens are reaching large volume, making them more affordable. 7in should be the new sweet spot. 2) 192 kHz support. It's bigger, it must be better. The only way to put it on the cover of Stereophile and TAS. 3) USB DAC support, two USB ports. Same as above. 4) Offer web server interface when running TinySB. Access it with any browser, any device, no app required (unless you care about usability). 5) Facebook integration (I would prefer Skype integration, but that would be too difficult) I believe all those are not difficult and would improve the appeal. But I also believe the Touch2 would not come soon, the Touch is not that old. Regards, Jean -- jean2 jean2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'm neither an audiophile nor an Apple-hater, but AppleTV is completely useless to me because it doesn't have analog audio outputs. Yes, it streams audio, but does everyone have amps with digital inputs these days? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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MrSinatra;636525 Wrote:
what should they have? two devices with no screens. one (more
expensive) with server and one without. then let phone apps (or
computer based SP) control them, set them up, and act as remotes. if
that takes off and sales are good, then consider a third model which
adds a screen.
Without the display the Touch would be completely useless to me. I
prioritize the display a lot higher than then built-in server, but I
realize I'm not the target user of Logitech neither is most of the
people on this forum.
MrSinatra;636525 Wrote:
the devices should also support DLNA; DLNA shouldn't be on the server
(7.6) only.
How would DNLA support on player side result in higher earnings for
Logitech ?
- It will cause more support issues from users with third party
servers
- It will cause more time in quality assurance to ensure their players
works towards third party servers
- It will result in decreased number of sold server hardware boxes (if
they decided to release server hardware)
I guess theoretically, it could result in more sold players if Logitech
creates a crappy server and there is someone else creating a better DLNA
server. Still, I've a hard time seeing how Logitech will benefit from
DLNA on player side. I still believe the main reason they do it on the
server side is to get support for Logitech Revue and possibly because
they have some big plans to create future simple DLNA players which
won't need SqueezeOS based firmware and due to this not support things
like mysqueezebox.com and multi room audio. A simple player with
simpler software would be more similar to other stuff Logitech
produces.
MrSinatra;636525 Wrote:
i would argue that if someone was sending music digitally to their
stereo via apple hardware/itunes, you would be hard pressed to actually
hear the difference in a similar SBS digital setup. but i know there's
a lot of religious audiophiles here, so i'll just say i think most
people would fail a double blind test between the two.
I completely agree, most people don't even hear difference between high
bitrate MP3 and FLAC, some people will object but they'd still fail a
MP3 vs FLAC blind test.
MrSinatra;636525 Wrote:
but i do agree that apples software is totally lacking and crap, and
there are many good reasons i agree with, not to use it.
Main problem for me with iTunes is that it isn't server based, it means
that I have to use a specific desktop computer to access my music
library. Still, I'm not their typical user, so you can't really blame
them. At least they will finally make wireless syncing with portable
devices possible in next release, so they are moving in the right
direction.
Apple does a lot of great things but iTunes isn't one of them, at least
not yet.
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i'd say its uninteresting (to the mass market) b/c it doesn't yet support airplay (or the audio part of it) and b/c the UI is not one UI for all. if it ever does, it becomes nteresting, and then the Q is the degree to which it does. i could be mistaken, but my impression is to do all those things it does currently, VB basically runs separate apps to do them. i think a single open source unified UI, that can run slim, apple, or dlna, (and tivo or whatever else etc), equally well is something of a holy grail. although, my belief is that really a developer would just need to replace itunes with their server and support airplay/dlna with such an open source project to be successful. one imagines such a project could do what itunes does, better. adding in slim support would be nice, but not needed (to be successful). -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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aubuti;636532 Wrote:
I'm neither an audiophile nor an Apple-hater, but AppleTV is completely
useless to me simply because it doesn't have analog audio outputs. Yes,
it streams audio, but does everyone have amps with digital inputs these
days?
I bet most of the users who would consider getting a AppleTV have an
amp with digital input or a TV with HDMI input.
The rest would either not need/afford a AppleTV or wouldn't buy it
because it's too limited/restricted.
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jean2;636530 Wrote: The Touch can not do 192 kHz because of the CPU, the rest of the HW could do it, to support 192 kHz you probably would need twice the amount of CPU of the current Touch. 192 kHz is essential for bragging rights. From my experience, what is sucking CPU and memory is usually not the server functions, but the user interface. I've put a web server, PHP and a database on the first gen Gumstix, which is slower than the current Touch. On the other hand, if you want smoother VU meters and frequency analysers, you will want more CPU and memory. Same for smooth coverflow. Moore's law always work in your favor. Every 18 months, you get double the CPU and memory for the same price. What goes today in your cell phone will trickle to your Touch. From what I can see, normal people don't buy infrastructure. Geeks have a long term plan and invest in infrastructure, because they see the value. Normal people want instant gratification of their emotional purchase. This is why everybody goes with a Cloud approach, it's far easier to sell infrastructure as a service. In other words, a device that does nothing by itself is to me a non starter, unless you bundle it as a useful package. 1) Bigger screen. Those tablet/PMP screens are reaching large volume, making them more affordable. 7in should be the new sweet spot. 2) 192 kHz support. It's bigger, it must be better. The only way to put it on the cover of Stereophile and TAS. 3) USB DAC support, two USB ports. Same as above. 4) Offer web server interface when running TinySB. Access it with any browser, any device, no app required (unless you care about usability). 5) Facebook integration (I would prefer Skype integration, but that would be too difficult) I believe all those are not difficult and would improve the appeal. But I also believe the Touch2 would not come soon, the Touch is not that old. Regards, Jean For some reason the SBS server is CPU intensive in some situations when doing dB operations, for example thats why Touch is limited to 100 song playlist and no web-UI because of performance, it has only 128mB of ram the server uses more on normal platforms ? The curent facebook app could be improved thats an understatement but it exist, you can only push ready made posts about what your are listening to and see wall, news and photos , not write an actual post. An improved Tiny SC server must run plugins, it basically has to be the full server, not crippled. That might fly with the help of moores law but it is usually abused by programmers to be lazy/fast so that even more inefficient methods of programming can be used to do the same thing as before. The Youtube plugin thats available should have some massmarket apeal. An up to date email checker that works on all devices and with gmail and stuff . Some people *shrug* probably wants msn or yahoo's chat thing ? Seamless integration with portable players and phones, it should just work to stream to yourself while out of home with your phone etc ? So you just plonk your phone in friends dock or airshare it or something. Basically run your own private cloud from the Touch to compete with google-music mp3Tunes and iCloud. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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MrSinatra;636535 Wrote:
i'd say its uninteresting (to the mass market) b/c it doesn't yet
support airplay (or the audio part of it) and b/c the UI is not one
UI for all. if it ever does, it becomes nteresting, and then the Q is
the degree to which it does.
I'd argue that the reason the mass market doesn't buy it is because:
1. They don't know it exists
2. They think it's too expensive
3. The applications it bundles is still too geeky for the mass market
AirPlay support would certainly help but to get AirPlay you can just
get a $99 AppleTV and you have what you like, as I've understood you
don't even have to have it connected to iTunes if you only want to use
AirPlay. AppleTV is cheap even if you only use it as a wireless iPad -
TV and iPad - Amplifier connector.
MrSinatra;636535 Wrote:
i could be mistaken, but my impression is to do all those things it
does currently, VB basically runs separate apps to do them.
It has a common home page from which you can launch the different
apps.
MrSinatra;636535 Wrote:
i think a single open source unified UI, that can run slim, apple, or
dlna, (and tivo or whatever else etc), equally well is something of a
holy grail.
My experience is that community based open source projects with a few
exceptions rarely result in unified simple UI's.
MrSinatra;636535 Wrote:
although, my belief is that really a developer would just need to
replace itunes with their server and support airplay/dlna with such an
open source project to be successful. one imagines such a project
could do what itunes does, better. adding in slim support would be
nice, but not needed (to be successful).
And how would this developer be economically successful ?
By also producing and selling hardware ?
Honestly, I don't think you will get what you want through the open
source community, it's too scattered and geeky to accomplish something
unified that's also simple to use and ready for mass market usage.
VortexBox is how close it's going to get, it already today solves the
complicated ripping, tagging and installation stuff, but I suspect it
will never get much further than that. It will focus more on supporting
new communication protocols than building a unified UI. However, I think
AirPlay (audio) might be a possibility, because that's just about
supporting an additional communication protocol. I doubt it will ever
support licensed AirPlay through Apple, if supported it will probably
used the hacked solution through ShairPort.
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aubuti;636532 Wrote: I'm neither an audiophile nor an Apple-hater, but AppleTV is completely useless to me simply because it doesn't have analog audio outputs. Yes, it streams audio, but does everyone have amps with digital inputs these days? Yes ! All audio is digital these days an analog interface does not make sense between 2 digital boxes, assuming a HT reciever or processor or HTIB , the archaic use of an old fashioned analog 2ch amp is not very common these days :) HDMI is what everything uses these days. 10 years ago it was sdif or TOS when dvd came, so old TV-boxes and sat boxes have toslink . The audiophiles will use an USB-dac or other high end solutions with spdiff or maybe hdmi. A future Touch2 should have spdiff toslink 2*USB and hdmi . For multiroom use the current Touch with analog RCA and spdiff + toslink . Or a new box with similar spec but cheaper hardware due to moores law, simply reinvent Touch sans TinySC with to get a lower price. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;636536 Wrote: I bet most of the users who would consider getting a AppleTV have an amp with digital input or a TV with HDMI input. Well the tv's HDMI input is useless for audio, except for audio through the tv speakers (barf!). I suppose a lot of the target market has A/V receivers with digital ins, but even so it still eliminates enough users to keep it from being a product for everyone. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;636540 Wrote: Yes ! All audio is digital these days an analog interface does not make sense between 2 digital boxes, assuming a HT reciever or processor or HTIB , the archaic use of an old fashioned analog 2ch amp is not very common these days :) HDMI is what everything uses these days. Hmm, then I suppose I'll have to take back the NAD integrated amp I got a couple years ago and tell them they forgot to include some of the inputs. ;-) A/V receivers and HTIB are understandably the norm now for home theater setups, but for audio systems too? Or are you telling me that everyone has a tv connected to their ste^H^H^H audio systems now? Maybe I need to get out more often -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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aubuti;636542 Wrote:
A/V receivers and HTIB are understandably the norm now for home theater
setups, but for audio systems too? Or are you telling me that everyone
has a tv connected to their ste^H^H^H audio systems now?
Everyone who consider to get an AppleTV does.
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aubuti;636542 Wrote: Hmm, then I suppose I'll have to take back the NAD integrated amp I got a couple years ago and tell them they forgot to include some of the inputs. ;-) A/V receivers and HTIB are understandably the norm now for home theater setups, but for audio systems too? Or are you telling me that everyone has a tv connected to their ste^H^H^H audio systems now? Maybe I need to get out more often Most of my friends, I'm sad to say, ONLY have their home theater tv setup with audio through this as an afterthought. To them a connected iPod is very high tech. I'm the odd ball with a complete stereo and separate home theater system not to mention multi r oom synched stuff. They like my system but have essentially no interest in anything similar. Even my friend with 15,000 CDs who does have a separate stereo doesn't get why he would want anything other than a decent cd player. And many of my friends have dumped their cd collection entirely and listen to pandora only thru a smartphone connected to a boom box. Again, I'm the odd man out. Maybe I need new friends. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I should count myself lucky then. Most of my friends have audio separates in the living room/lounge parts of the house, ie, the more public parts of the home. The tv is usually in a smaller rec room or media room, and may or may not be connected to a HT audio system. I have thought about replacing my old 2-channel setup that is currently connected to my hdtv with a 5.1 HT system, but my wife doesn't like the audio overload of surround, and I don't know where I'd put the 2-channel rig. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Streamin stations suported by
I want to listen to this station. http://www.957sportsradio.com/ It's stream is provided through http://www.streamtheworld.com/ Anyone have any experience, tips, for getting this stream to play on my players. Thanks, -- teeitup -- SqueezeCenter Version: 7.5.3 - r31792 - Debian - EN - utf8 Perl Version: 5.10.0 - i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi MySQL Version: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5 Total Players Recognized: 4 Squeezebox3: Firmware: 131 Duet: (2 receivers, 1 controller) Firmware: 67 Boom Firmware: 52 -- teeitup's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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aubuti;636546 Wrote: I should count myself lucky then. Most of my friends have audio separates in the living room/lounge parts of the house, ie, the more public parts of the home. The tv is usually in a smaller rec room or media room, and may or may not be connected to a HT audio system. I have thought about replacing my old 2-channel setup that is currently connected to my hdtv with a 5.1 HT system, but my wife doesn't like the audio overload of surround, and I don't know where I'd put the 2-channel rig. I should add that most of my friends have had to abandon enjoyment of their homes (for all practical purposes) because of the invasion of their teenage children and their friends. But that's an entirely new topic. ;-) -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I live by myself in small apartment I can not have 2 setups like one hifi and one HT . So I do hiend HT which is fun to with multichannel music and movies sounds very good . If you have house and familly thats desirable with 2 rigs one hifi and something small and trendy to the living room TV, but im my case that would have been 2 multichannel setups anyway... But not 2 meridian kits , then I have to rob banks.. With current trends in SQ in music , some movies actually sound better and more dramatic dynamic and involving than most music produced today :-/ -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I, and most of my friends with separate audio systems, also have teenage kids. That's part of the strategy of putting the tv (and the Wii / XBox / PS3) in another part of the house. I don't really want to stop the invasion, just redirect it a little bit. It's also another reason why my system connected to the tv doesn't have a subwoofer. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Loving my Garrard turntable which runs through a 30 yr old Pioneer Rcvr which powers a couple of little BW CM1s and my Touch ! -- dasmueller dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Music-Playback now on ANDROID! SqueezePlayer released to the market ...
Is there a way to set up squeezebox server to only require passwords from networks other than 192.168.1.x? I bought the app, but refunded it when I realized that my other 6 devices would all have to be redone with a password. -- jarome jarome's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1223 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87364 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone tried both Android and iPeng? Which do you prefer, why?
Yes I did get somewhat confused with the amount of phones available, knowing that the ipod touch operates pretty well and the sound quality is pretty good even though the initial outlay was a bit more, it worked out roughly, with a new contract and new phone the same, with, to me an unknown phone... Got the ipod touch, sorted flac player last night for the car holiday tomorrow and a line out plug for the the aux in in the car, and play with ipeng when I get back - liking the apple thing quite a bit so far I must say :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88293 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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jarome;636562 Wrote: Is there a way to set up squeezebox server to only require passwords from networks other than 192.168.1.x? I bought the app, but refunded it when I realized that my other 6 devices would all have to be redone with a password. If you enable security it's a global setting affecting all players of course. What's the problem with entering the password on all devices? Other than that the only solution not to require a password is with either - setting up a VPN (probably only easy when the router supports that) or - using a SSH tunnel because the password is then handled by the network/tunnel and the Squeezebox Server is not affected. -- bluegaspode Did you know: *'SqueezePlayer' (www.squeezeplayer.com)* will stream all your music to your Android device. Take your music everywhere! Remote Control + Streaming to your iPad? *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87364 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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aubuti;636551 Wrote: It's also another reason why my system connected to the tv doesn't have a subwoofL er. ;-) -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] newest boom random strangeness- any ideas?
still no joy. I performed a factory reset (+button whilst powering off etc) and 20 mins later it turned itself on again. when this happens and i launch ipeng, my other 3 players are grouped together but this boom is always on it's own. I've synced and unsynced and synced again but it won't play ball. is there anything else I can try? would it perhaps be a limitation of my network or something whereby it can't handle all my devices running at the same time? like too many IP addresses maybe? starting to drive me nuts -- mauler mauler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46538 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88313 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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aubuti;636532 Wrote: I'm neither an audiophile nor an Apple-hater, but AppleTV is completely useless to me simply because it doesn't have analog audio outputs. Yes, it streams audio, but does everyone have amps with digital inputs these days? i can't say about apple tv, as i have had little exposure to it. but airport express and other similar apple devices let you do analog or digital. however, my guess is the analog DAC sucks. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;636533 Wrote: Without the display the Touch would be completely useless to me. I prioritize the display a lot higher than then built-in server, but I realize I'm not the target user of Logitech neither is most of the people on this forum. it would still be a player, and while i can see limited cases where it fits as is, i think in trying to be all things to all people, it actually succeeds in being aggravating to most people. i will NEVER buy a touch. erland;636533 Wrote: How would DNLA support on player side result in higher earnings for Logitech ? its obvious! people want flexible solutions. if i could use ANYTHING other than SBS to power the hardware, i would! and so would many other people! i would love to use software i feel is better, more fun, more familiar, to play on the HQ slim hardware. thats my DREAM. if the players had this, i'd have like 3 or 4 more slim devices FOR SURE. and yes, i realize i'd not be able to sync without SBS, so i know that, but i could still fire up SBS but knowing that wouldn't stop me from getting more boxes. the hardware is where they make money, not developing the software! erland;636533 Wrote: - It will cause more support issues from users with third party servers - It will cause more time in quality assurance to ensure their players works towards third party servers - It will result in decreased number of sold server hardware boxes (if they decided to release server hardware) funny, LOTS of companies seem totally able to sell successful dlna players, are you saying logitech can't? the biggest drain on logitech is developing SBS imo. if they had more sales, they could get avg users into other apps to power the hardware, and still have more resources for developing the player and SBS. it could be win win. erland;636533 Wrote: I guess theoretically, it could result in more sold players if Logitech creates a crappy server and there is someone else creating a better DLNA server. Still, I've a hard time seeing how Logitech will benefit from DLNA on player side. I still believe the main reason they do it on the server side is to get support for Logitech Revue and possibly because they have some big plans to create future simple DLNA players which won't need SqueezeOS based firmware and due to this not support things like mysqueezebox.com and multi room audio. A simple player with simpler software would be more similar to other stuff Logitech produces. who knows what they have planned or why. i see little rhyme or reason in ANYTHING they do. but if someone wants to buy the hardware to use with a different piece of software, like WMP which is a DLNA server, then that only makes the potential marketplace for their hardware bigger! most people i show SBS to don't get it and think it sucks, and they are basically right. its complex, not fun, not flexible, and generally a pain in the ass. erland;636533 Wrote: I completely agree, most people don't even hear difference between high bitrate MP3 and FLAC, some people will object but they'd still fail a MP3 vs FLAC blind test. yep. :) erland;636533 Wrote: Main problem for me with iTunes is that it isn't server based, it means that I have to use a specific desktop computer to access my music library. Still, I'm not their typical user, so you can't really blame them. At least they will finally make wireless syncing with portable devices possible in next release, so they are moving in the right direction. Apple does a lot of great things but iTunes isn't one of them, at least not yet. i don't understand you here. itunes IS a server app. also, like i said, a lot of NAS boxes, even cheap ones, come with an itunes server built in. so in other words, you could run a NAS box, or cheapo headless system with itunes in a closet, and stream from your iphone to your apple tv via it, np. its the best thing about what they do, b/c where the music is played from, where its played to, is all very easy to control and very flexible not to mention intuitive. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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If you believe you'll get more flexibility out of DLNA you are wrong. DLNA is OK for video (where the controller is in the player and you are dealing with single files) but for audio it's a failed technology and will go away - and I say that as someone who's actually doing active DLNA related development right now! -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;636576 Wrote: If you believe you'll get more flexibility out of DLNA you are wrong. DLNA is OK for video (where the controller is in the player and you are dealing with single files) but for audio it's a failed technology and will go away - and I say that as someone who's actually doing active DLNA related development right now! thats not what i meant. i want DLNA to allow me the flexibility to not use SBS. ie. to power the slim hardware with other software solutions. so i wasn't wrong. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I didn't say you were wrong. I just wanted to say that if you are used to Squeezeboxes and then you would have to use some DLNA based SB, you would be disappointed. It's not just syncing, it's also the remote control capabilities. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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other servers that do DLNA can be remote controlled. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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MrSinatra;636583 Wrote: other servers that do DLNA can be remote controlled. No. Not a single one. Servers are never remote controlled via DLNA. Renderers are. That's the problem. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;636584 Wrote: No. Not a single one. Servers are never remote controlled via DLNA. Renderers are. That's the problem. A server in DLNA is just a data source, all the logic has to be in the renderer. i didn't say the server would be remote controlled by DLNA. i said other servers that do DLNA can be remote controlled. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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MrSinatra;636585 Wrote: i didn't say the server would be remote controlled by DLNA. i said other servers that do DLNA can be remote controlled. Sorry, but this is nonsense. No need for that kind of discussion. My server can do DLNA and I can control it remotely through SSH. Cool. What does that tell me? Nothing. The weather's fine here, too, not as cold as it was in SF. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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this is EXACTLY what SBS is doing. i guess you think thats nonsense? sbs 7.6 will do DLNA, and can be remote controlled by your app, theirs, or others. SBS is not the only server of which that paradigm will be true. i don't know why you're so intent with finding fault with what i said, but i have said nothing wrong, nothing nonsensical. i think you misconstrued my meaning at each step however. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
MrSinatra;636589 Wrote: this is EXACTLY what SBS is doing. i guess you think thats nonsense? sbs 7.6 will do DLNA, and 7.6 can be remote controlled by your app, theirs, or others. SBS is not the only server of which that paradigm will be true. Yes, but what's the point about that in this discussion? If you want to use SBS with your SBs, you don't need DLNA And if you use DLNA, with whatever streaming client, SBS or not, you will get lousy remote control capabilities for that client. In none of these cases you are remotely controlling the server, not even with SBS. With SBS the server is remotely controlling the client (renderer), with DLNA devices it's not. If you want to remotely control the server, for whatever reason that should be, you need to use SSH or something. i don't know why you're so intent with finding fault with what i said, but i have said nothing wrong, nothing nonsensical. i think you misconstrued my meaning at each step however. I'm not intent with finding fault with what you say, I just don't get the point. I could not misconstruct any meaning since I don't understand the meaning. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
my apologies if i am mistaken then, but i was under the impression that if you have a DLNA client, like say a PS3, you could send to it video or music files from say WMP, which is a DLNA server. meaning, that a user, via WMP directly, could control what went out over the DLNA client. so, are you saying that isn't the case? that only the DLNA client can control whats called to play? if so my fault entirely then for misunderstanding how it all works. i might be confusing what microsoft can do with its media center and xbox 360, which i know is different, but i thought roughly the same. i thought with twonky or foobar or whatever DLNA server, you could use the app/server to control what went out to the DLNA device. pleaase let me know if i have this all wrong. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
MrSinatra;636594 Wrote: my apologies if i am mistaken then, but i was under the impression that if you have a DLNA client, like say a PS3, you could send to it video or music files from say WMP, which is a DLNA server. meaning, that a user, via WMP directly, could control what went out over the DLNA client. No, you can't. That was my point. You can REQUEST such data from e.g. the PS3 (renderer) and you can have a 3rd device in the network (control point) that controls all this by talking to BOTH the renderer and the server but there are actually very few combinations in which this works really well. There are a lot of examples in which the renderer and control point are on the same machine, e.g. for AV receivers that use the TV screen to give visual feedback and these often kind of work, but are not what I would really call remote control. I don't see controlling something on a TV screen with an IR remote remote control for audio. It can be fine for TV, of course, since you need that TV screen to view that anyway. so, are you saying that isn't the case? that only the DLNA client can control whats called to play? Well, as mentioned above, it's even more complicated than that... There are also cases (Windows Media or however this is being called now, for example) where all three logical devices reside on the same machine and obviously that's what works best. Also, with Windows Media you can have the control point and the server on the same machine and this also works well since the control point now has permanent and direct access to the data and can create things like playlists and if you drive a remote streaming client with that combination (supported by some renderers but not the majority) you can get good remote control as long as you sit in front of your server... if so my fault entirely then for misunderstanding how it all works. i might be confusing what microsoft can do with its media center and xbox 360, which i know is different, but i thought roughly the same. i thought with twonky or foobar or whatever DLNA server, you could use the app/server to control what went out to the DLNA device. pleaase let me know if i have this all wrong. Twonky and MS both have renderers that run on the server. The Twonky one actually can even be remotely controlled but if it does so, it - funny enough - doesn't use DLNA anymore but something proprietary Twonky invented and which also some clients support... DLNA is a mess. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
ok, so tell me if i have this straight: if, in theory, you had a single piece of software that was both a DLNA server, and a DLNA control point, it could, in theory, be remote controlled by an app similar to ipeng, and control what is played over the DLNA renderer? is that possible in at least theory as laid out above? b/c if it is, thats what i'd want. let the slim hardware be the DLNA renderer, and let something else, that can be remote controlled by droid/iphone, etc, be the DLNA server and CP. that would, in theory, free you from SBS. this is what i thought was/could be possible and what i was advocating. obviously, it would benefit logitech b/c their hardware would be solutions for people who otherwise have DLNA servers/control points and don't want to use SBS. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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MrSinatra;636599 Wrote: if, in theory, you had a single piece of software that was both a DLNA server, and a DLNA control point, it could, in theory, be remote controlled by an app similar to ipeng, and control what is played over the DLNA renderer? If the renderer supports being remotely controlled by another control point (a lot of the cheap streaming devices only support their built-in control point): yes. b/c if it is, thats what i'd want. let the slim hardware be the DLNA renderer, and let something else, that can be remote controlled by droid/iphone, etc, be the DLNA server and CP. that would, in theory, free you from SBS. Yes. But be aware that in THAT scenario (control point and server being on the same machine) all of your music would have to be on that phone as well and would have to be streamed from there. That aside, you'll see some restrictions. The most nasty one is that the way DLNA works, the control point has to do ALL the control functionality, like SBS does. That means that your remote has to be permanently active since it's responsible for such trivial things as playing the next track once the currently playing track has finished. This means your remote has to be always on. There are some ways around this - there are DLNA extensions for playlists, for example - but I believe PS3 and XBox are pretty much the only devices out there which support that. this is what i thought was/could be possible and what i was advocating. obviously, it would benefit logitech b/c their hardware would be solutions for people who otherwise have DLNA servers/control points and don't want to use SBS. I don't think it would benefit Logitech because they would sell people a solution that sucks (as a user experience) and it never does you any good to do that. Which was my point. I believe Logitech will probably do it anyway... -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] newest boom random strangeness- any ideas?
mauler;636570 Wrote: still no joy. I performed a factory reset (+button whilst powering off etc) and 20 mins later it turned itself on again. when this happens and i launch ipeng, my other 3 players are grouped together but this boom is always on it's own. I've synced and unsynced and synced again but it won't play ball. is there anything else I can try? would it perhaps be a limitation of my network or something whereby it can't handle all my devices running at the same time? like too many IP addresses maybe? starting to drive me nuts Have you unsynched everything and tried it and then maybe sync it and one other SB player. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88313 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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MrSinatra;636594 Wrote:
my apologies if i am mistaken then, but i was under the impression that
if you have a DLNA client, like say a PS3, you could send to it video
or music files from say WMP, which is a DLNA server. meaning, that a
user, via WMP directly, could control what went out over the DLNA
client.
Remote control means to me that:
1. I have a DLNA player(renderer) (for example PS3)
2. I have a DLNA server (for example WMP on a computer)
3. I'm sitting somewhere with only my iPhone/Android device in my hand
and want to remotely control what's playing on the DLNA player streamed
from my DLNA server
Can I do this via DLNA ?
I know I can do it with a Remote Desktop app on the iPhone/Android
which shows the computer screen on my iPhone/Android device, but that's
not particularly user friendly and I'm not sure how that would be
preferred solution.
I know I can do it with SBS, Squeezebox'es and iPeng, but then I'm not
combining server and player from multiple companies like you want,
neither is SBS-Squeezebox nor iPeng-SBS currently communicating via
DLNA in this scenario as far as I know.
So can you mention three different products from three different
companies which can be combined to together and work as point 1, 2 and
3 in the above scenario ?
As pippin says, you can do it if:
- Point 1(renderer) and 3(control) is inside the same product
or
- Point 2(server) and 3(control) is inside the same product
The problem with having point 1(renderer/player) and 3(control) in the
same box is that then you have to use a separate remote control for
each player, one for PS3 and another one for Squeezebox, so it doesn't
work in a multi room scenario. In most cases this also means that the
remote you get is a IR remote which in most cases means that music
selection doesn't get particularly user friendly.
The problem with having 2(server) and 3(control) in the same box often
means no remote control as you typically have to sit beside the
computer to locally control it in this scenario. If you do all controls
from a computer, this is fine, but I suspect most users don't want to go
to the computer to control the music, they want to sit in the living
room and start playing something even if the computer currently is in
another room.
So DLNA might in theory mean that you are free to combine devices from
different manufacturers but in practice there are very few (if even
any) product on the market that's able to do this via DLNA for audio
today.
In theory you can do a Android/iOS remote control (not using DLNA)
which is tied to a specific 2+3(server+control) setup, remotely
communicating with something else than DLNA.
However, can you mention one such remote that exist today except for
IR-remotes ?
And also one which works with the excellent DLNA server you would like
to use instead of SBS ?
As long as it doesn't exist, this whole discussion is very theoretical,
when it exists and it's combined with an excellent server+control
product, then I agree it makes some sense for Logitech to start
producing DLNA players and also go into a partnership with the company
producing this server+control product which is better than Logitech's
own server. Personally, I've a hard time seeing this happening, but
that's just me.
To me it feels like Logitech could provide a lot better user experience
by focus on their own server and players and allow them to be remote
controlled and customized in similar fashion as they are today, no
reason to spend time doing DLNA stuff if it won't result in a better
user experience than Logitech's own solution. Why invite other
companies to compete with you when you know your own solution is the
best one available ?
The only scenario that makes sense to me is DLNA player support to be
able to stream and control stuff from a computer (for example by using
WMP), but I wonder how many users that want to be tied to a computer
this way, a lot of the discussions on this forum seems to go in the
other direction, most people want to play music without having to turn
on their computer.
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Re: [slim] newest boom random strangeness- any ideas?
The most likely culprit is mysqueezebox.com. It's capable of screwing with your players in ways that would never even occur to you. Unless you absolutely have to have it, disable mysqueezebox.com integration in Settings mysqueezebox.com. Delete all players from your mysb.com account, if you have one. Ultimately, block mysb.com at your firewall if it continues to be a problem. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88313 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What The **** Do I Need?
erland;636539 Wrote: I'd argue that the reason the mass market doesn't buy it is because: 1. They don't know it exists 2. They think it's too expensive 3. The applications it bundles is still too geeky for the mass market well, they could install it freely on old hardware, so i think 1 and 3 are good reasons, but its a different question. you asked why the VB might be uninteresting. now you are asking why the mass market doesn't buy it. not truly the same thing, at least in so far as the way i was answering it. the context was me suggesting a SBS-like open source server, that would support airplay, slim, (and DLNA devices, etc). in that context, i was saying VB is not there yet, ie. not interesting to me. erland;636539 Wrote: AirPlay support would certainly help but to get AirPlay you can just get a $99 AppleTV and you have what you like, as I've understood you don't even have to have it connected to iTunes if you only want to use AirPlay. AppleTV is cheap even if you only use it as a wireless iPad - TV and iPad - Amplifier connector. again, it becomes interesting, that was the Q. but would it be adopted by the mass market? that depends on how well the implementation was done imo. a lot of people would like to use the apple gear without the apple software though for local tunes (or vids) that aren't all on smallish pods/pads. software that was capable of running apple gear, slim gear, dlna gear, more or less equally well has a good chance of being widely adopted imo. imagine using an iphone or ipad or droid or computer or whatever to remote control the server, which in turn can play to just about any gear you've got. in other words, one ring to rule them all. lots of people have a mix of gear... even apple diehards have game consoles for instance. think of my suggestion as a universal translator. don't know if this is legal, but there is this: http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/04/12/apples-airplay-goes-open-source-sorta/ afaik, slim proto is open source, and DLNA is too, mostly, right? erland;636539 Wrote: It has a common home page from which you can launch the different apps. no good. it has to be unified, and smart enough to know what protocol to use for what device, all under the hood. erland;636539 Wrote: My experience is that community based open source projects with a few exceptions rarely result in unified simple UI's. true, but it could take the SBS route... a company pairs it with its hardware and yet makes it available for other hardware. great way to get adopted. besides, i see this solution as being much less visible than the SBS one. more of a handheld remote operated type thing. erland;636539 Wrote: And how would this developer be economically successful ? By also producing and selling hardware ? it depends how it was developed. lots of community projects have different strategies. u see slim adding DLNA to their server now already. (i don't know if their DLNA includes a control point or not, but it should). maybe they add airplay too. maybe they have their hardware able to be controlled by other DLNA capable software. suddenly, they are the master of all possibilities, agnostics, and flexible. thats a selling point. and people would buy the hardware knowing that it will be extra capable, and knowing that the software will also handle their other non-slim hardware. my only beef with that scenario, is that i don't like SBS as is. i'd prefer making something cross platform like foobar into this jack of all trades. erland;636539 Wrote: Honestly, I don't think you will get what you want through the open source community, it's too scattered and geeky to accomplish something unified that's also simple to use and ready for mass market usage. VortexBox is how close it's going to get, it already today solves the complicated ripping, tagging and installation stuff, but I suspect it will never get much further than that. It will focus more on supporting new communication protocols than building a unified UI. However, I think AirPlay (audio) might be a possibility, because that's just about supporting an additional communication protocol. I doubt it will ever support licensed AirPlay through Apple, if supported it will probably used the hacked solution through ShairPort. you're probably right, thats why for now i just want the slim hardware to be DLNA capable. if the revue is going to be, i don't see how/why they wouldn't add that ability to the next gen SB hardware. at least that way, i could buy the slim hardware, which is how they make money, and at the same time not have to use SBS, my dream, (and SBS is the big unfunded drain on resources) -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604'
Re: [slim] What The **** Do I Need?
MrSinatra;636609 Wrote: a lot of people would like to use the apple gear without the apple software though for local tunes (or vids) that aren't all on smallish pods/pads. software that was capable of running apple gear, slim gear, dlna gear, more or less equally well has a good chance of being widely adopted imo. I agree if it worked, but it will never work because after a while they'll realize they can't play their DRM protected music purchased via iTunes on it. The only hope in this direction would be if the new iCloud offering by Apple removes the DRM protection on all your old files when streaming from iCloud. Of course, iCloud is never going to support streaming to third party applications, so it wouldn't work anyway. I'm also not convinced there is a lot of people who want to get away from Apple software, I know there are some geeks and advanced users like you and me that does but probably at least 80% of all Apple users prefer to continue use iTunes for their Apple gear because that's the only thing that just works. MrSinatra;636609 Wrote: don't know if this is legal, but there is this: http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/04/12/apples-airplay-goes-open-source-sorta/ That's the ShairPort software I suggested in my previous post. I'm not sure if it's legal but it's definitely not making Apple happy, so it's just a matter of time until they find some way to stop it. Apple wants companies using AirPlay to buy their chips and pay their license fees. MrSinatra;636609 Wrote: true, but it could take the SBS route... a company pairs it with its hardware and yet makes it available for other hardware. great way to get adopted. besides, i see this solution as being much less visible than the SBS one. more of a handheld remote operated type thing. Yes, the question is just how they would earn more money by developing software which encourage people to buy hardware from other companies than themselves ? From a customer perspective it would be great but from a commercial perspective it simply won't work. The main reason being that you need to be able to communicate with any players and the other manufacturers aren't going to be that interested to help you do that because some of them are going to want the user to run their hardware and software instead. Try convincing Apple or Microsoft that it would be a good idea if all their hardware could be used together, so users can mix and match exactly how they want. Try to do the same to Sonos, Logitech, Ruku, Sony, Chumby and you will realize the problem. The only way this is going to happen is if all companies works together and that means they have to standardize the protocols, which currently means DLNA, which is a compromise, which results in poor user experience compared to a setup completely made by a single company. Just look at Sonos, there is a reason their system is a lot simpler to configure and setup compared to Squeezebox, the main reason being that they have decided to handle a bigger part of the cake themselves. Specifically by use a proprietary wireless network solution, pre-configure everything and not involve third party hardware besides the music file storage into the setup. Let's face it DLNA is really great if you like to listen to a single song or like to stream video, but it doesn't result in simplicity, it result in complex setups with a lot of troubleshooting. And as pippin has mentioned in another thread it's really not suitable for an always running music listening system. MrSinatra;636609 Wrote: it depends how it was developed. lots of community projects have different strategies. Could you mention a few, community driven, which have a unified simple user interface ? I'm not saying they don't exists but they aren't very common, I've been involved in some both as contributor and user so I think I know what I'm talking about. To understand the problem you have to understand why people get involved in community based open source projects and what kind of people that get involved, it's usually people who love to develop software and love to add a lot of functionality and a lot of customization possibilities, but it's not that common that people who are good in user interface design and people who have simplicity in their mind get involved. Company driven open source project is a completely different matter, here there is a possibility to create a unified UI, but the problem here is that all companies are driven by commercial aspects and this often makes it uninteresting to make it easy for other companies to earn money on your effort, so they tend to compete instead of collaborate. MrSinatra;636609 Wrote: u see slim adding DLNA to their server now already. (i don't know if their DLNA includes a control point or not, but it should). Not sure, I know it includes a UPnP Media Server and a UPnP Media Renderer. I don't think it's designed to make it possible to control third party
