Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
Mnyb wrote: Also if the project fork and if a community replacement for mysb.com arises ,you still want the majority of work to be done by the local server to save load , so as much as possible done locally . This pretty much assumes a local server ,but that's how has to be. It depends, I agree that some logic currently handled by mysqueezebox.com should ideally be handled on the local network of each user, but I don't think it has to be in a separate server it can also be on the playback device itself. Regarding local vs central server it's also important to note that if the software isn't maintained it doesn't matter if it's installed on a local computer or on a central computer in the cloud. It's easy to think that you will have full control if you have it on a local computer but in reality it will often work better if it's on a central cloud server as long as you can ensure the reliability. Normal people don't like to upgrade software on a computer constantly to keep a system working, they would rather prefer that it's handled by someone else. On top of this some services wouldn't be possible to integrate without mysqueezebox.com because the streaming providers sometimes doesn't allow you to include code that access their API's in an open source software because they only want the API to be visible to partners which have singed a NDA. I know a lot of people blame mysqueezebox.com for a lot of issues but in my opinion it's a lot better that Logitech have been able to silently push out a bug correction on mysqueezebox.com when some streaming service changes something than that I would have to upgrade the Squeezebox firmware or LMS software every time this happens. The reason we think a solution based on a central service is bad is because Logitech haven't been able to ensure its reliability. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: Now that Logitech has destroyed the Squeezebox product line,will someone with the capabilities of Sean Adams pick up the pieces and continue to develop this product?What is the likelihood of that? Slim Devices rises from the ashes? Great entrepreneurs usually don't pick-up leftovers from the ashes and continues to develop them, especially if they have previously voluntarily left it to do something else. There are exceptions, like when Steve Jobs got back to Apple 1996/1997 and basically resurrected it, but these exceptions are pretty rare so I don't think you should expect it to happen here. However, if we talk about features, if there is a need and a potential market, someone usually fills it, it will just take a bit of time. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Is any of you guys in contact with any of the original people from slim devices ? Do they know what Logitech is doing to 'their' system ? jp73's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
erland wrote: It depends, I agree that some logic currently handled by mysqueezebox.com should ideally be handled on the local network of each user, but I don't think it has to be in a separate server it can also be on the playback device itself. Regarding local vs central server it's also important to note that if the software isn't maintained it doesn't matter if it's installed on a local computer or on a central computer in the cloud. It's easy to think that you will have full control if you have it on a local computer but in reality it will often work better if it's on a central cloud server as long as you can ensure the reliability. Normal people don't like to upgrade software on a computer constantly to keep a system working, they would rather prefer that it's handled by someone else. On top of this some services wouldn't be possible to integrate without mysqueezebox.com because the streaming providers sometimes doesn't allow you to include code that access their API's in an open source software because they only want the API to be visible to partners which have singed a NDA. I know a lot of people blame mysqueezebox.com for a lot of issues but in my opinion it's a lot better that Logitech have been able to silently push out a bug correction on mysqueezebox.com when some streaming service changes something than that I would have to upgrade the Squeezebox firmware or LMS software every time this happens. The reason we think a solution based on a central service is bad is because Logitech haven't been able to ensure its reliability. Well yes of-course, I sugesting that what can be done locally should be , some subscription services are another matter . I think you and the other programmers may be better than me to find the balance . My thinking was if a third party steps in and run a future mysb.com replacement it will not be as powerfull and have logitechs resources , but most end users have cpu power in abundance at home . So doing things locally to not bog down the service . I can see the practical reasons for logitech as they do it now to keep most services at mysb.com even if they could be local ,as you say maintenance is easier . But that may be an expensive solution if done on hobby basis . I was also thinking about the legacy players that are more server dependent . But sure some things can be done locally in the Touch or Radio too, for example a local alarm code and ntp to get time from somewhere not mysb.com or local server . If someone forks the code , I can see long standing bugfixes comming too :) some that are not even considered during the current regime . So it is not all bad . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Beta, LPs, SageTV, and now Squeezebox
Love the threat subject! :D lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96225 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Receiver as bridge to wireless AP?
Hello. Can anyone give me a quick answer to this? My receiver is in my garage and connected wirelessly to LMS. I'd like to add a wireless hotpoint in my garage. Can I use the receiver as a bridge wired to a wireless router to achieve this? Thanks for any help. ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
For now and a couple of years forward i'll use my squeezeboxes . I already have all players i need so don't need to expand my system rigth now I'll investigate the options if necessary , may depend on how long mysqueezebox.com keeps working . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox Longivity
OK, so I'm now very interested in keeping my soon-to-be irreplaceable Squeezeboxes alive and kicking for as long as possible. It's been my impression that the 1st component to go is often the wifi card. I've seen bad wifi cards render more than one Squeezebox dead. In fact, a friend took delivery today from ebay of a SB2 that was DOA. After removing the wifi card, it started right up and is working perfectly now as a wired SB2. I gather that finding replacement wifi cards is getting harder and harder as the required component is really not stocked anywhere now. What do folks think? For those of us who can stay wired, should we be prophylactically removing the wifi cards from our SBs? Should I yank the wifi card out of my Transporter? I've been running it wired for years now. What other ideas do folks have about extending the life of this gear? gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Longivity
Dim the displays . And keep it in a cool but not freezing environment ,heat kill all electronics i think component life is a square function of temperature or similar . (caps that lasts 10 years in there normal temperature span can blow in hours in 100 degrees Celsius for example ) . So not to crammed in with other stuff in closed cupboard , keep it where it gets air circulation but not in direct sunligth . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Receiver as bridge to wireless AP?
Simple answer: No you can't Hofstede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29832 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Longivity
The displays on the older kit seem fault prone too, as do the speakers on the boom if the device is run without a woofer. My Boom needs a new display but I'm guessing they are impossible to get hold of now. ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Receiver as bridge to wireless AP?
Thought as much. Thanks. Guess I'll have to try a Pringles tin on the house AP instead. ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Have I picked this up right? Logitech's announcement has slightly different consequences for the Classic, the Duet Receiver and the Boom on the one hand and the Touch and the Radio on the other? If I have heard correctly could someone please explain simply, but in more detail. Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Receiver as bridge to wireless AP?
AFAIK SB2/3 could bridge the ethernet port to wifi (but not the other way around ) . The reciever did not officially had this cabalilty but it could be turned on with the net::udap script But i think they broke the bridging functionality to cram in some fw change for a service in the SB3 , so it may only exist in old versions Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Labarum wrote: Have I picked this up right? Logitech's announcement has slightly different consequences for the Classic, the Duet Receiver and the Boom on the one hand and the Touch and the Radio on the other? If I have heard correctly could someone please explain simply, but in more detail. As far as I understand it: - Logitech no longer offer Squeezeboxes for sale - mysqueezebox.com will continue for the foreseeable future - LMS is still available for download - Squeezebox Radio now rebranded/reversioned as UE Smart Radio, SBRs may be upgraded/downgraded (depending on perception) to UE Smart Radio. No other SBs will be upgradable in that way. - there's a new UE version of mysqueezebox.com, only UE devices will work with it. - There is UE Server software (I think versioned from LMS) for playing local music is available for Mac/PC, requires access to internet to control players - Only one UE player, the Smart Radio, announced so far. Apologies for not remembering the UE names for server website and software! Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Thank you, you state the general issues. I asked how the proposal affects the older and newer products differently. Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
garym wrote: I read somewhere that LMS includes the firmware for older players (transporter, SB3, boom) but NOT for touch and radio. I download copies here . http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/ Touch is called Fab4 in the firmware files and Radio is called Baby Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Longivity
gharris999 wrote: I gather that finding replacement wifi cards is getting harder and harder as the required component is really not stocked anywhere now. The exact replacement is hard to find. I found a Polish supplier which sold them in bulk only (possibly a community buy). However I think there are very many compatible cards which were used in laptops such as Packard, Toshiba and Acer. For my SB3. I bought such a card off ebay (from a supplier which had hundreds) which physically (i.e. component layout) looked similar through not eaxt but with same Atheros chipset. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Labarum wrote: Thank you, you state the general issues. I asked how the proposal affects the older and newer products differently. The Radio can be upgraded to UE status ,so everything else is stuck in the past nedding the old server software and mysqueezebox.com . You can not connect any old player (except an upgraded radio ) to the new UE system no legacy support, so to your question all players except the radio can be considered older products . I supect that none of us fossils playing local files would like UE anyway as it must have contact with ther UE online service to play local files ? This is done to get rid of the switching back and forth between local server and online server that many newbs find confusing ,by simply only have the online server as control point. Even if your local UE server feeds tunes in the background . I think this could have done much smarter, now it's like horse medicine to solve the problem ( a lead pill is the usual remedy for everything ). Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Labarum wrote: Thank you, you state the general issues. I asked how the proposal affects the older and newer products differently. I think the older and newer products depend differently on mysqueezebox.com, and I think the older products have more elements of the firmware that would remain outside the public domain; if I have read correctly. The issue is what happens when support for msb.com ceases. If your usage requires msb.com, then there will be a greater impact than for me as I use LMS mostly. In terms of which SBs can be used in the new system, AFAIK only the Radio can be updated to UE compatibility. My own personal experience of SB usage of msb.com is restricted to SBR, SB3 and SBT, can't comment on older models. Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Longivity
I have only had one unit fail in 10 years, and that was a Touch that was in my conservatory which gets warm in summer, so heat is the killer. Even then, it was only the display that broke so the unit still played music. I've had to replace quite a few PSU's, but these are easy to come by and I usually replace with more robust ones. I guess the obvious is to unplug the player if it is not going to be used for long periods (say a week) but I would not unplug if I used daily because that just creates more thermal expansion stress from heating up and cooling down. Setting the 'powered off' screen saver to blank, and dimming the display whenever you can will help. yeomanspc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=249 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Longivity
If you have a duet ,store the controller with the battery removed it's display is the one most phrone to be burnt out premtaurely . And control your receiver with a phone app or similar . I use only blank/black screensaver nowdays no clock or anything Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Longivity
Don't drop the SB3 on hard floor. That's what fataly injured mine, though it still played for a year or two before eventually dying. lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Longivity
I agree with Mnyb on the VFD displays, keep them dim(er) or even OFF (set to dark) for continuous play. My Boom SB3 are set to Dark for Idle use, I change this to Brightest if company is here and seems interested in seeing the display. I too have been spooked by the reports of Boom issues, mostly WiFi cards woofer degradation display issue. Yet my four year old Boom runs 24/7 about ten months a year via WiFi in a garage environment involving hot humid summers and very cold dry winters (gets down to 0 F), not a problem yet. I do use a Sub with my Boom which may help woofer longevity. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Line Comes to an End (quasi official confirmation)
rayman1701 wrote: Really a bummer. In the 2 1/2 years since I got my Touch it has become the primary focus of my listening. I looked at all kinds of different systems while the Touch was in that long delay before it finally hit the stores, and for quite a while before deciding to by a Touch as well. But I couldn't find anything that did exactly what I wanted, everything else just seemed to be lacking something and priced way above what I would be able to invest. I've not seen anything that has come out since I got my Touch to change the outlook of that either, so I picked up another Touch so that I'll have a spare. Been meaning to do that for a while, but was waiting to see if by some magical chance they did an upgraded Touch that might be better, but no. So got one from Amazon while I could, and will be watching sales in case they do any wild markdowns to maybe pick up another one. Since I mostly use it for my library, everything should work for the foreseeable future and since I don't use Rhapsody that often, if that stops working, it will suck, but I'll figure something out at that time. Weird times... I guess I should download a couple of versions of LMS to keep as backups just in case. Yep , using it's digital out it's pretty much the only thing you need :) in any system at any price level at no loss in SQ ( other than imagined in the flat earth of audiophiledom ) . Those expensive hifi branded streamers are not giving you much for the money unless you fancy something with an built in high quality dac and can live with all their limitations . But the future belongs to things with digital inputs , so a player with analog output is an anachronism , considering that nowadays even the lowly ht receiver has very good dacs and SQ frighteningly close to the real things in good hifi (and far better than the voodoo designs ) . So a streamer with this feature set is going to missed in the market :-/ But given time and if someone finds the niche viable for business someone else will invent a new product but it can take some time , i'll bet it will be a bit more expensive thou , squeezebox amazing price/performance ratio is hard to beat they expected mass market sale and geared for that when manufacturing and pricing the squeezeboxes . Another product may aim directly at a smaller niche with less expectations on mass sale and choose differently , the hifi market demands a certain priceness and looks with heavy aluminium chassis etc ;) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96190 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Imagine LMS with only the Control Panel, no web UI, no plugins, no player or library settings. That is the UE server. ;) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Mnyb wrote: ... and Radio is called Baby Seems they threw the baby out with the bath water. :( toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Labarum wrote: Thank you, you state the general issues. I asked how the proposal affects the older and newer products differently. I think the older and newer products depend differently on mysqueezebox.com, and I think the older products have more elements of the firmware that would remain outside the public domain; if I have read correctly. None of the firmware for the real slim devices have ever been open source I believe and it's not likely to change, for the fatter devices (Touch, Radio and possibly Controller) some source is available, some isn't. For the older products we can pretty much forget a third party FW, for the more recent devices it's technically not trivial (legal issues aside) and I rather doubt there will ever be a third party FW based on Logitech sources. In short, there are differences in that respece but I doubt they have any practical consequences. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
yeomanspc wrote: I'm minded to buy one more touch but Amazon in the UK are sold out and others have them at a premium right now. How do you know Amazon UK are sold out? If it's the long delivery estimate, I think that's just because they ship them from various places in Europe, rather than keeping any UK stocks. I've had that with several toys I've ordered recently, and they never take that long to arrive. Fingers crossed. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Official Logitech Announcement re new UE *and* support for Squeezebox Players
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Squeezebox-Players/Announcement-Logitech-UE/m-p/880706#M7131 Very general language (as expected), but they do mention squeezebox support: Rest assured that the Squeezebox platform youve been enjoying over the years will continue to provide you access to a rich world of music and well continue to address any questions or troubleshooting on our Logitech.com support page: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/support/speakers-audio; garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Keep the spirit up guys; just bought a new Radio and used Receiver
There seems to be a lot of (understandable) frustration and insecurity about the latest move made by Logitech. People seem unsure about what to do; staying on board and see what happens, others perhaps jumping the ship hoping that some other platform will fulfill their needs for a longer period of time. I for one rely on the power of this community and hope fantastic guys like Erland and Pippin can provide us with a system that serves our needs for the coming years. I've decided that local music is the only thing that's really important to me. So before the stocks of current Radios are gone, I've just bought myself a brand new SBR to add to my collection. Furthermore I found a guy on ebay that sold a couple of Receivers at a very good price, wanted to buy two from him, but he had only one left. And I'm considering to buy a new Touch before they run out, but I'm not sure at this time. Let's see how prices develop the coming weeks. If this isn't about having faith in the community, I don't know what is. Buying two systems of which you know at least one of them will not be supported if I ever wanted to make the switch to the UE-platform, not something you would normally do. I'm just very happy some guys actually seem to be working on solving the future issues for us now, I'm just sorry I can't be of much assistance on the technical part. But if the initiative needs to be supported by donations or a yearly fee, I'll be more than happy to do so! hvb83's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Imagine LMS with only the Control Panel, no web UI, no plugins, no player or library settings. That is the UE server. ;) There are library settings, of course. You can choose your music folder. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Official Logitech Announcement re new UE *and* support for Squeezebox Players
Doesn't really explain what the future holds for the old platform. They're saying the old platform will continue but for how long until you'll be forced to move over to UE platform to continue enjoying the experience? Just a bunch of words with no real facts which you can interpret in many ways. A very political statement. 05mattjax's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39786 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] What a time to launch a new SqueezeBox based product.
http://www.electronichouse.com/article/fusion_research_to_unveil_music_server_built_off_logitechs_squeezebox/#When:13:18:17Z Long known for its movie servers, Fusion will debut the Ovation Music Streamer for streaming music to as many as five zones. For this product, Fusion didnt reinvent the wheel. Rather, the company built this box around the popular Squeezebox audio system from Logitech. As we began architecting our own audio streamer system, we came across Squeezebox and all the other open source products built around it, says Fusion VP of sales Ingo Schmoldt It seemed an ideal base upon which to build because there are tons of users vetting the GUIs, and of course there are a host of free drivers and apps available for all the major automation companies and mobile devices. nicklouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25954 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96231 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Official Logitech Announcement re new UE *and* support for Squeezebox Players
05mattjax wrote: Doesn't really explain what the future holds for the old platform. They're saying the old platform will continue but for how long until you'll be forced to move over to UE platform to continue enjoying the experience? Just a bunch of words with no real facts which you can interpret in many ways. A very political statement. I agree 100%. This statement didn't move my priors at all on what may happen in the future. I only posted as it was the first somewhat official public announcement I'd seen of the new UE that even referred to the legacy squeezebox line. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Official Logitech Announcement re new UE *and* support for Squeezebox Players
The minute Logitech feels they can legally drop supporting mysqueezebox and LMS , they will do it . So what is the warranty on a Touch? One year ? I give it a year or two . No more Logitech products for me . They discontinue and give up on product lines way too soon . jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Official Logitech Announcement re new UE *and* support for Squeezebox Players
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: So what is the warranty on a Touch? One year ? Two aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Official Logitech Announcement re new UE *and* support for Squeezebox Players
aubuti wrote: Two Well then it will be two years then. It seems to me watching Logitech operate that they are run mostly by bean counters and lawyers . There is very little marketing savvy there . jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
In Use: 2 Touches 2 Radios 1 Boom Spare: 1 Touch 1 SB3 + the SB3 my son has. Mushroom_3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13434 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
I have in active duty: 1 x Transporter (main device) 1 x Duet 2 x Booms 2 x Controllers (counting the one that's part of the Duet), plus the controller app for my BlackBerry tablet I have as spares: 1 x Receiver (part of a Duet, but the Controller is being used with the Transporter and Booms) 1 x Boom (still in the box, has a Europe plug but if one of my existing Booms dies I will use its plug) 1 x Touch (bought months ago, still in the box) 1 x Touch en route (bought earlier this week from TigerDirect, the lowest online price I could find) 1 x Controller (bought from Logitech Canada when they had a clearance sale about a year ago) I think I will set up all four of my boxed spares (2 Touch, 1 Boom, 1 Controller) with current firmware, and then rebox. Mind you, I might set up a Touch to replace the current Duet that's sees occasional use in the very basic home theatre setup, and then keep that Receiver as a spare. I'd use the Controller (from the Duet) with the Touch. After an initial bout of mild panic and distress, I'm getting more sanguine about the situation. I personally seldom use the streaming services (although I do very much like the CBC Music service, which is mostly linked from the Internet Radio presets). It's my ripped library that I value. I also am quite sure that I can't see the future, other than to acknowledge that things WILL change. Maybe I'll become a champion of the cloud, and love cloud-based music. Hard to see, but even five years ago I didn't foresee where I am now with server-based music. R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
I only use ip3k players, so I rely totally on a local server. I think that in a community fork scenario, a drastic change in users demographics must be taken into account. Casual internet radio users will go elsewhere, no new users, die-hard SB users leaving little by little. This would be the trend I think, if the fork was a great success but no new SB audio player would appear on the market. With this in mind, I think it could be acceptable to qualify one small server platform (a plug of some sort), and have it managed like a router with dual firmware: reboot to update to the new firmware (which can be silently downloaded), if this doesn't work, power cycle to roll back to the working firmware. If you don't have to do this every day, I believe it could be acceptable considering the kind of users the service would have. The presence of a well-known server on the internet acting as a front end is indispensable I believe, but the layer could be thin. With a flock of tiny 24/7 servers maybe stream handling could be distributed, as in the torrents + tracker model ? Well I am sure you devs have a much clearer view of what can be done. I just want to stress the idea that if a fork happens, the user base will be different from today's. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Keep the spirit up guys; just bought a new Radio and used Receiver
hvb83 wrote: But if the initiative needs to be supported by donations or a yearly fee, I'll be more than happy to do so! Ditto that. I already have a lot invested in my Squeezeboxes. Financially, intellectually... emotionally... pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
epoch1970 wrote: With a flock of tiny 24/7 servers maybe stream handling could be distributed, as in the torrents + tracker model ? I hardly think server capacity is the issue, rather that some of these services is unlikely to cooperate with a loose knit bunch of hackers. To put it bluntly, I expect many of them want an entity (such as a company) that they can sue if terms in the comprehensive contract is violated. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Official Logitech Announcement re new UE *and* support for Squeezebox Players
garym wrote: Rest assured that the Squeezebox platform youve been enjoying over the years will continue to provide you access to a rich world of music and well continue to address any questions or troubleshooting on our Logitech.com support page: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/support/speakers-audio; Yeah. Really. Speakers? Audio? For MY SQUEEZEBOX SYSTEM? I was very tempted to click that button and report it as inappropriate content. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
RonM wrote: After an initial bout of mild panic and distress, I'm getting more sanguine about the situation. I personally seldom use the streaming services (although I do very much like the CBC Music service, which is mostly linked from the Internet Radio presets). It's my ripped library that I value. R. My situation exactly - initial distress, now modulated. I have enough hardware to keep going for some time into the future. In fact if SBR to UESR conversion is reversible, I might try the new UE system. I'm a little astonished that for all the big words from Logitech about their passion for music that they've dropped the player range to a single non-HiFi grade unit! Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
alfista wrote: I hardly think server capacity is the issue, rather that some of these services is unlikely to cooperate with a loose knit bunch of hackers. To put it bluntly, I expect many of them want an entity (such as a company) that they can sue if terms in the comprehensive contract is violated. Sure thing. Bandwidth is expensive, so a decentralized system, as far as possible and acceptable, might decrease the costs. torrent was a red herring. Let's use SETI@home :) epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Squeezeslave: 1.2 released
benno wrote: HI, I'm having some problems with a squeezeslave installation, especially with slightly loosing sync and loosing output completely. I would like to provide more details and also debug information. Where would you like to open this tickets and what details do you need? (eg. Debug-levels) I posted some installation details here: DIY - Squeeze house installation Losing audio completing is almost always an issue with the ALSA driver. I noticed your dmix sample rate is not 44100 and squeezeslave only supports that rate. This may also be contributing to the loss of audio. Squeezeslave does not officially support syncing with other players, there are too many variables in PC hardware. I've made a best effort in the code to facilitate it, but it either works or it doesn't. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93607 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
epoch1970 wrote: Sure thing. Bandwidth is expensive, so a decentralized system, as far as possible and acceptable, might decrease the costs. I could be wrong, but if we consider only the traffic and processor load involved for users that run local LMS (i e not connecting their players directly to MySB), then my guess is that it is rather small. Kinda doubt that the added complexity of a distributed system with servers all over the world would give any benefit. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
pallfreeman wrote: How do you know Amazon UK are sold out? If it's the long delivery estimate, I think that's just because they ship them from various places in Europe, rather than keeping any UK stocks. I've had that with several toys I've ordered recently, and they never take that long to arrive. Fingers crossed. Their Usually dispatched within 1 - 2 months often (but not always) means we'll never get any more stock, but no one has taken the time to confirm that and remove our price from the item yet. andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Squeezeslave: 1.2 released
ralphy wrote: Losing audio completing is almost always an issue with the ALSA driver. When the squeezeplaying hangs, I could still play stuff directly with aplay and the same ALSA-destination used in squeezeslave. ralphy wrote: I noticed your dmix sample rate is not 44100 and squeezeslave only supports that rate. This may also be contributing to the loss of audio. This is related to the used hardware, the USB-amps just accept this rate... Is there a way to debug this? benno's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57012 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93607 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
Swedes may look here for example http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=460015 A plethora of web-shops and physical stores still have squeezeboxes , so get them while they are there . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
jp73 wrote: Is any of you guys in contact with any of the original people from slim devices ? Do they know what Logitech is doing to 'their' system ? Dean Blackketter is on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/blackketter. Sean Adams is there too but it doesn't look like he keeps his profile up-to-date. Let's be realistic, people. The idea of a dedicated music player is not a mass-market item anymore--people are far more interested in set-top boxes that happen to do music. With high-end receivers doing built-in AirPlay or direct reading of CIFS shares for music management, the dedicated device is less relevant. And Sonos may have the market and mind share at this point. At any rate, I think the best way forward for the Slim Devices platform would be a hardware-based server (Raspberry Pi?) with a high-end audio stage built out of it. Make sure the device is as open source as possible, and will be fully compatible with the open source LMS. There's no practical way the IP3K players could be made open source (although a lot can be done with their current firmware, which is pretty much mature and stable). The Touch could probably have some open source development, and perhaps a new device even more directly based on the Touch hardware (without violating Logitech's patents or copyrights). Touch technology is already 3-4 years old and a new device could benefit from hardware advances. I could see an audiophile manufacturer taking up the cause, perhaps one of the existing Squeezebox customizers, but this again would basically be reinventing the Slim Devices idea, probably at a higher price point. And of course things like SqueezePlayer, SqueezeSlave, and iPeng are important to the platform moving foward. At that point the important thing is maintaining the Slim protocol and ensuring new servers and clients can be developed to it. --Mike mrfantasy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1127 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Official Logitech Announcement re new UE *and* support for Squeezebox Players
They really need to have an official announcement about how long the online music services will still be supported. cncb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
I am more than a little amused at myself. I've just bought a *second* replacement Touch, and have a surfeit of replacements available now. See above. I remember back a few years I had an Olympus 2200 camera, great little thing, state of the art at one time. It used SMC cards, and I heard somehow that these were being phased out and wouldn't be available much longer. So I found a bunch online and bought them. The camera died, and I have moved way beyond that early technology. I still have several unused SMC cards lying around, must toss them sometime soon. Then I had a *ist Pentax DSLR, which could use a set of 4 AA batteries; it also accepted CRV3 batteries (basically replaces two AAs each). I got tired of recharging my AAs and found a bunch of CRV3s online at cheap prices, and bought a bunch (not the rechargeable kind). Since then I've gone through two new Pentax DSLRs, and now have a K5. They don't use CRV3s. I have about ten or fifteen of those suckers taking up space in my utility drawer. Better safe than sorry, I guess, but I hope my SB investment doesn't end up being just as useless. R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
I've been known to buy a few extra shirts if they fit, and are constructed well. I can't remember another instance of buying redundant spare pieces of electronic gear...the whole thing is kind of amusing. As a testament to the power of the squeezebox, my wife saw the two boxed extra Touch units on the floor yesterday, and when I explained the situation she agreed that it was a good idea to have at least a few backups on hand. Benefactor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25904 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Official Logitech Announcement re new UE *and* support for Squeezebox Players
Before mysqueezebox.com came along (as an option for people who didn't like/need a local server) we did just fine. Why should that not be possible again? I use a local server and I have no idea if it actually accesses mysqueezebox.com once in a while, but it should be possible to cope with in a post mysqueezebox.com scenario if it happens. Also, we have enjoyed very good backwards compatability in the past. Our old SB's still work, this is thanks to the deveolopers but i guess also to Logitech who accepted that they treated us well. Letten's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Squeezeslave: 1.2 released
Kvaks wrote: I woke up this morning and the running Squeezeslave responded nicely when I pressed play, so this might have worked. Thanks! (If it turns out it didn't work, I'll come back :-) ) I spoke too soon. It didn't work. Squeezeslave kept turning up dead after not being used for a couple of hours. I sort of fixed it by making a cronjob that every hour kills and restarts squeezeslave unless it's currently playing a song. This solution works well enough, so I haven't bothered looking into it any further. Code: #!/bin/bash if [ ! -z `echo -e '00%3A00%3A00%3A00%3A00%3A01 status 0 1 tags'\nexit|nc -w1 localhost 9090 |grep 'mode%3Aplay'` ];then echo Squeezeslave is playing, not restarting it else echo Restarting squeezeslave killall squeezeslave squeezeslave fi Kvaks's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21610 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93607 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Official Logitech Announcement re new UE *and* support for Squeezebox Players
Letten wrote: Before mysqueezebox.com came along (as an option for people who didn't like/need a local server) we did just fine. Why should that not be possible again? It is possible if you only play music from your own library, not so great if you play internet radio or use one of the subscription music services. Currently I only use Spotify via Triode's plugin and BBC iPlayer, also via a Triode plugin! Somebody should start paying this guy. Hopefullly, as neither relies on Mysqueezebox.com, they will continue to work. I have never had much interest in internet radio and one streaming service is more than enough. I imagine that once MSB goes some enthusiasts will chip in and provide plugins to add back the most missed services. This won't last forever though. I expect most of us will have new kit in five years time. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
Benefactor wrote: What I mean is extra units you purchased as backups in case one of your older units fails? I have two Booms, and a Classic3 that have been running for around 4 years, I guess. Just picked up a Touch as a backup unit the other day...have no place to plug it in right now, but my gut tells me that they won't be around for too much longer. I have a backup Controller I bought a few months back for £70, mainly because it is the most vulnerable bit of hardware due to its being handled, dropped, thrown, sat on, smeared with food and othewise abused by my young family. I bought it because I foresaw the end of Squeezebox some time back and was ready to pounce when the clearance sales hit the UK stores in May this year. It is still in its box because the Controller is obviously a lot more resilient than it looks! I am not unduly worried about my Receivers. They just sit there and work. Likewise LMS on my Synology NAS. Hopefully Logitech will make a reasonable sounding and not too expensive replacement for the Touch which I can buy as replacements for my Receivers at some point. By then I imagine the whole family will have smartphones to use instead of the Controller. I have no emotional attachment to the Squeezebox line. The only thing I need it to do is play my music library, synchronise if necessary and give me access to a couple of on-line music services. I have had my Duet with two receivers for 4 years now and I think it has more than repaid the £375 investment already. If Logitech UE offers a replacement that does those things then (if one or both Receivers stop working) I might just go with it, particularly if it stays a lot cheaper than Sonos. Squeezebox may be dropped as a name, but I am sure that the most important and innovative parts of its technology will live on under the UE banner - particularly if they are better than, or equal to, the Sonos alternative. For instance secure multi-room synch over Wi-Fi is simply too compelling a feature to drop. If the worst comes to the worst I will buy Sonos - although I am sure I will resent having to pay so much for inferior goods! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
Four Slim Devices Squeezebox 3 (one decommissioned and now a spare with Touch purchase) Two Duets (one in box as spare) One Touch Two Controllers (used with Touch SB3) musicom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30459 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Which is more future-proof: SB3 or Touch
Most of my Squeezebox usage consists of playing my own digital FLAC files from my media server within my house through Ethernet/ wifi--I don't use MySqueezebox too often (don't play spotify or Pandora too often). With that in mind, and in light of the Logitech pending shutdown of MySqueezebox, which device is better for me to acquire as a backup? I currently have a Touch but am worried that you may not be able to configure it in the future without MySqueezebox. Thoughts? mjwoj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96237 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
I have a Radio I only use when visiting my parents as well as a spare sb3 and an sb1 if it ever comes to that. I never picked up a touch, because I until recently I was running too old a server version to support it, and I really don't have room (or more specifically a room) for it. I was hoping to pick on up on the odd $210-190 sales, but it looks like I'll be paying $240 or so. I do think a bunch will start making it to the used markets as the more timid elements in the squeezosphere give up hope and probably a slew when they shutdown mysqueezebox. To me actually the only one that matters most is the boom, because it's back lighting make it the best bed side device. The rest could all be receivers or less, as long as they sync correctly and interact with the various control mechanisms. I hope it lasts a long time. sander's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10737 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
andynormancx wrote: Their Usually dispatched within 1 - 2 months often (but not always) means we'll never get any more stock, but no one has taken the time to confirm that and remove our price from the item yet. Go on, destroy another happy delusion... as if it isn't bad enough already... :P pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
alfista wrote: None of the firmware for the real slim devices have ever been open source I believe and it's not likely to change, for the fatter devices (Touch, Radio and possibly Controller) some source is available, some isn't. For the older products we can pretty much forget a third party FW, for the more recent devices it's technically not trivial (legal issues aside) and I rather doubt there will ever be a third party FW based on Logitech sources. In short, there are differences in that respece but I doubt they have any practical consequences. Most of the source for the Touch firmware is is available online. There are several people here (including me) who have compiled this and it does run quite well on a Touch. A while back all the source files were changed to a different license which if I remember correctly is much more lenient and done on purpose to allow third parties to modify them. I'd have to look carefully to see if this allows others to distribute a binary. The parts that are not available are some codecs and the wifi driver. So as long as you stream pcm or wav and use ethernet you can use a Touch with non Logitech compiled firmware. The Wifi issue can be dealt with by using an external wifi bridge and the codec issue can be dealt with by having your local server to format conversion for you. I realize there might be some issues with certain internet streams, but again if these get converted in the server it's not an issue. As an interesting aside on this issue Triodes EDO applet is distributing some significant changes to the firmware by a third party, it works and Logitech has not been trying to shut him down. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Which is more future-proof: SB3 or Touch
After initial start up, there is little the my squeezebox is needed for with the touch. So the touch might be the better choice. Just start them up first and register them on your network. J jmschnur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96237 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Longivity
If you want to use wifi and your wifi card goes bad you can always use a wifi bridge, they will be available for a LONG time to come. For a Touch the display is probably the most likely part to go bad, after that its the electrolytic caps, as has been mentioned it is heat over time that is the big contributor here. Next is thermal shock (turn on and turn off being the biggest contributor), then mechanical shock (dropping it on the floor). Last is semiconductor degradation. Modern chips do actually have a lifetime (the older chips have a longer lifetime than the newer chips) So the Touch being built with slightly older technology is actually a good thing. The newest chips being made today are only rated for 10-11 years, the stuff in the Touch is probably good for 25 - 30 years before the semiconductors die. There is definately a tradeoff between turning on and off and leaving on all the time. If it's not going to be used for weeks or months, go ahead and unplug. If you are using it daily or weekly leave it on all the time. As has been mentioned probably the best thing you can do is have the display off when not being used. (or at least dimmed) Treated with care a Touch should be able to last quite a long time. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
JohnSwenson wrote: As an interesting aside on this issue Triodes EDO applet is distributing some significant changes to the firmware by a third party, it works and Logitech has not been trying to shut him down. My EDO app only updates the kernel partition of the filesystem - which as Linux is GPL and is required to be open source for any things which are statically linked to it. This works as the non open kernel modules (wifi driver) and some binaries for the IR processor are in the main filesystem and are dynamically loaded and still part of the Logitech distribution. Its definitely possible to build a 3rd party firmware for Touch - however as you say there's some binaries which are part of this which are probably not distributable without agreement. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Would a next system be some combination of: 1. Raspberry Pi or similar small footprint computer on the cheap 2. Squeezeplay to support hi-res, gapless and synchronized playback options 4. USB DAC support 5. HDMI support for display 3. LMS on local server Just some thoughts... travelfotografer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Which is more future-proof: SB3 or Touch
I would say the Touch is much more future-proof. The Touch firmware is semi-open, whereas the SB3 firmware is completely closed. Also, the SB3 resources are much scarcer, to the point where they had to stop adding features several years ago because they were basically out of memory on the SB3. As for the mysb.com requirement at login, there are ways around that. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96237 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Which is more future-proof: SB3 or Touch
Agree. And more future-proof includes Touch's support for hi-res files and USB DACS (thanks to triode's EDO). travelfotografer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96237 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezePlay for Solaris and OpenIndiana
ralphy wrote: I'm currently testing a Windows squeezeplay build in which I've added ASIO and WASAPI support in addition to Direct Sound. It also has the ability to set the maximum sample rate and choose the sound card. I'll start a new thread for that when it's ready. Thanks ralphy for your contributions! A Windows Squeezeplay with all these features, installed on netbook or nettop with display, can be a worthy replacement for Touch (without the touch screen) or Duet-Receiver. travelfotografer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96224 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
How do Fusion Research ( http://www.fusionrd.com/ovation_2.htm ) handle all the services, I guess they do not use mysb.com. jo-wie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17952 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
Mnyb wrote: I can see the practical reasons for logitech as they do it now to keep most services at mysb.com even if they could be local ,as you say maintenance is easier . But that may be an expensive solution if done on hobby basis . I don't think it can be done on hobby basis, if a central server is used it needs to be a business entity (company) behind it and it likely needs to be commercial, at least the hosting need to be somehow financed, either through user fees or through advertising, hardware/app sales or some other way. Mnyb wrote: I was also thinking about the legacy players that are more server dependent . I'm not sure the Boom/Classic/Transporter can be easily supported as the firmware is closed source and can only be redistributed by Logitech. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Which is more future-proof: SB3 or Touch
mjwoj wrote: Most of my Squeezebox usage consists of playing my own digital FLAC files from my media server within my house through Ethernet/ wifi--I don't use MySqueezebox too often (don't play spotify or Pandora too often). With that in mind, and in light of the Logitech pending shutdown of MySqueezebox, which device is better for me to acquire as a backup? I currently have a Touch but am worried that you may not be able to configure it in the future without MySqueezebox. Thoughts? You should definitely get a Touch IMHO. I wouldn't worry about the configuration, I'm fairly sure there will be a solution for this if mysqueezebox.com would be shutdown. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96237 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SB Alternatives
I've read through several threads and like many others, I have a few extra SB units. I'm not about to ditch my current system. However, I would be interested in the alternatives that are out there for hi-fi networked music aside from Sonos. I'll start out with the following: Olive http://www.olive.us/ Popcorn Hour http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/ Yamaha Musiccast2 http://www.yamaha.com/yec/musiccast2/index.asp Pioneer N-50 http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Audio-Components/Hi-Fi+Audio/N-50 Cambridge Audio Sonata NP30 http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=604Title=NP30%20Network%20Music%20Player iPeng on iPad or iPod + Cambrige Audio iD100 Digital Dock for iPad iPhone http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=605Title=iD100%20Digital%20Dock%20for%20iPad%20%20iPhone I think this is a good start. I haven't begun to analyze the pros and cons of all these systems. I am sure there are many other alternatives. jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
I would be very interested in experiences with the Cambridge Audio iD100 dock, particularly as regards iPeng output. I have tried USB connection from a first generation iPad to a Cambridge Audio DACmagic 100 and the iPad complained that too much power was being requested (or something like that). Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
Grumpy Bob wrote: I would be very interested in experiences with the Cambridge Audio iD100 dock, particularly as regards iPeng output. I have tried USB connection from a first generation iPad to a Cambridge Audio DACmagic 100 and the iPad complained that too much power was being requested (or something like that). Robert I read several reviewers panning the iD100 but gave this unit good marks. Unfortunately it will not charge the iPad. http://www.wadia.com/products/transports/171i/ jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Playlist limit of 500?
Is there a limit or a setting to the number of songs that can be loaded into a playlist? i have an iTunes playlist with 3,500 songs and when i try to play it SB only loads the first 500. i've been doing this for years and don't recall ever hitting this kind of limit, and i can't find a setting to control it. ?? eschurr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2007 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96243 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
I see nothing on this list I'd be interested in . Hopefully , there will be some future products that will be able to replace the squeezebox at a similar price point. jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playlist limit of 500?
It has been there for quite some time now, probably since 7.6.0. You can change the limit using the LMS web interface. I think it's under Settings Advanced Performance. It was introduced to avoid the problems of LMS completely locking up when loading large playlists, especially on underpowered servers. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96243 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playlist limit of 500?
Translated from German system: Settings - Extended - Pull Down Performance jo-wie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17952 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96243 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playlist limit of 500?
The setting control is under the Advanced' settings tab in the Performance section. Item Maximum Playlist Length. mrw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38299 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96243 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/musiccast2/index.asp All discontinued - pity - looked quite interesting Trev gruntwolla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playlist limit of 500?
mrw wrote: The setting control is under the Advanced' settings tab in the Performance section. Item Maximum Playlist Length. found it! many thanks -- love this forum! eschurr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2007 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96243 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
Marantz's entry http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=HiFiComponentsSubCatId=0ProductId=NA7004 jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
Any reason why you're discounting Sonos? From my perspective, Sonos does everything that I need, albeit at a higher price than I would ideally like. I could probably sell my various squeezeboxes whilst they still have some market value for enough to start a 2 zone Sonos system. It's not a scenario I'm entirely happy with, as my squeezebox system is working perfectly, but I guess we're all in the same boat from that point of view. Trev gruntwolla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
Just purchased a spare Transporter two weeks ago. I also have a spare SB3 in the box as well as a Boom. Currently using Transporter, Touch (2), SB3 (3) Radio fed by 4TB QNAP NAS. WilCox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playlist limit of 500?
aubuti wrote: It has been there for quite some time now, probably since 7.6.0. You can change the limit using the LMS web interface. I think it's under Settings Advanced Performance. It was introduced to avoid the problems of LMS completely locking up when loading large playlists, especially on underpowered servers. Yep my own ballpark figure is that the system can tolerate ~2000 files per Ghz of x86 CPU core . But beware of the shuffle function with very large playlist it can bog down the server . Problems seems exponential to the playlist size . Also it gets worse if the database is in bad shape , so to periodically perform full clear and rescans also helps this case . It is good that it has a limit I once encountered a bug that made the server try cue up every file in the dB , it stopped at my 4000 track limit :) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96243 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
gruntwolla wrote: Any reason why you're discounting Sonos? From my perspective, Sonos does everything that I need, albeit at a higher price than I would ideally like. I could probably sell my various squeezeboxes whilst they still have some market value for enough to start a 2 zone Sonos system. It's not a scenario I'm entirely happy with, as my squeezebox system is working perfectly, but I guess we're all in the same boat from that point of view. Trev For me, the fact that Sonos doesn't support HiRes audio and the track limits are the two factors I can't go that route. Jayrcee's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
