Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
slartibartfast wrote: > When I was still using my Receiver I lost count of the number of times I > had reset both the Controller and Receiver and start again. I was never > sure what to do when the Receiver stopped playing but factory reset > always worked. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk That's why I have 3 receivers in a box in storage :) Only one deployed - on ethernet... I also tried to give one to a non technical friend, set it up, his router was at the other end of the house. Wifi was ok, but I got so many "It won't play" phone calls where I walked him through reset, that I ended up finding him a touch on ebay and taking the receiver back...touch has worked fine since, but I did talk him into moving his router closer to his gear :) Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
Redrum wrote: > I am wondering if all 3 players offline are receivers? I say that > because, in my experience, that is exactly what happens (often) with my > receivers on wifi with a network exception. They "lock up" (white light, > controller still sees them but non responsive). I would reset the > receiver and controller and bring them back up together. I can't say I > have seen this with touch, radios, boom where a power down/up wouldn't > fix it. I don't think the receivers handle the exception the way the > other players do. > > I got pretty good and entering my network password with the scroll wheel > :) > > I gave up trying to use receivers on wifi. > > JimWhen I was still using my Receiver I lost count of the number of times I had reset both the Controller and Receiver and start again. I was never sure what to do when the Receiver stopped playing but factory reset always worked. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
FredFredrickson wrote: > > > But, after that reboot, 3 players are now offline. > > The bridged extenders came back online, no problem. The duets themselves > don't even show they're offline, their icon stayed white. > > But no matter what I did, I couldn't get them to reconnect to the server > until I rebooted the players themselves. > > I am wondering if all 3 players offline are receivers? I say that because, in my experience, that is exactly what happens (often) with my receivers on wifi with a network exception. They "lock up" (white light, controller still sees them but non responsive). I would reset the receiver and controller and bring them back up together. I can't say I have seen this with touch, radios, boom where a power down/up wouldn't fix it. I don't think the receivers handle the exception the way the other players do. I got pretty good and entering my network password with the scroll wheel :) I gave up trying to use receivers on wifi. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
So new update for anybody following or anybody who might have a suggestion: The wifi extenders used in bridge mode (not extending) connected to the radios / receivers seems to have mostly solved the problem. I've gone almost 3 weeks without disconnects. To say that's a difference is an understatement given that the old record without players dropping off was closer to 3 days. But I discovered a place where the problem crops up and it might shed some light as to why the problem happened in the first place. My neighbors' wifis are not friendly and they jump around a lot. Since I was on the new bridges I put the router radio channel back on "auto" since I figured the new equipment works well with this. And for a few weeks it did. Until Friday night, my netflix stream was degraded. Come to find the channel my router landed on was very noisy indeed and it hadn't switched. So I reboot the router and it finds a new channel and netflix is back to normal. But, after that reboot, 3 players are now offline. The bridged extenders came back online, no problem. The duets themselves don't even show they're offline, their icon stayed white. But no matter what I did, I couldn't get them to reconnect to the server until I rebooted the players themselves. So this is interesting because it rules out that it's purely the wireless hardware that causes the problem but a combination of intermittent wireless (with the built in radios) and then some part of the software responsible for making contact timing out and giving up. One thing I considered is that the extenders offer net access to the device connected to it *BEFORE* it's able to connect to the source wifi itself. That means that packets will dead-end for the first minute that it's live until it's able to reconnect to the source wifi. Curious if anybody had ideas on that. If not, I think I can live with 3 week uptime. I've set my channel statically to 1 for now, and I'm hoping all my neighbors try to route around it. 1 Touch 5 Receivers 3 Controllers 2 Radios Making streaming music in my home a full time job! FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
FredFredrickson wrote: > My router (Netgear R6900v2) is able to switch channel without dropping > current connections- at least for most devices. When I do it, the touch > doesn't get a new lease as far as the DHCP server is concerned. But when > I try to use the touch to access "My Music" it says it can't reach the > server. > > Mind you this was always more of an issue with the receivers and > occasionally radios but the touch was the most robust of them all. Only > now that I am specifically testing it have I been able to replicate it > with some level of consistency. > > It may be an issue with more than just the wireless radios on the SB > devices, it could be a slight incompatibility with the R6900v2 as well. > But I will say, over the past 14 years I've had almost 10 wifi routers, > ASUS, NETGEAR, LINKSYS, etc, and wifi has always been a bit of a > nightmare. > > At this point, it's so much more stable with the TP-link bridges that > I'm satisfied. If you want a reliable audio source don't use WiFi, there is always (not always easy) a way to route a cable. Intel NUC i5 Debian 16gb RAM 1TB SSD -> LMS -> Squeezelite -> Sablon EVO USB -> SRCDX -> Wave Storm BNC -> Chord Hugo MScaler -> dual BNC -> Chord DAVE DAC -> Meridian 551 -> Monitor Audio Gold -> Me Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming Wow! What a Ride! - Hunter S Thompson - RIP pkfox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
P Nelson wrote: > That is the latest official firmware and the one I am also using, > The only thing I can think of that might be a reason is if a router > changes IP addresses when it changes wifi channels. I reserve IP > addresses for each SB devices in the router's DHCP settings. My router (Netgear R6900v2) is able to switch channel without dropping current connections- at least for most devices. When I do it, the touch doesn't get a new lease as far as the DHCP server is concerned. But when I try to use the touch to access "My Music" it says it can't reach the server. Mind you this was always more of an issue with the receivers and occasionally radios but the touch was the most robust of them all. Only now that I am specifically testing it have I been able to replicate it with some level of consistency. It may be an issue with more than just the wireless radios on the SB devices, it could be a slight incompatibility with the R6900v2 as well. But I will say, over the past 14 years I've had almost 10 wifi routers, ASUS, NETGEAR, LINKSYS, etc, and wifi has always been a bit of a nightmare. At this point, it's so much more stable with the TP-link bridges that I'm satisfied. 1 Touch 5 Receivers 3 Controllers 2 Radios Making streaming music in my home a full time job! FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
FredFredrickson wrote: > Player Model: Squeezebox Touch > Player Type: fab4 > Firmware: 7.8.0-r16754 > Wireless Signal Strength: 100% That is the latest official firmware and the one I am also using, The only thing I can think of that might be a reason is if a router changes IP addresses when it changes wifi channels. I reserve IP addresses for each SB devices in the router's DHCP settings. P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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P Nelson wrote: > I have switched the channel on my router and I have not had to reboot > the Touch or SB Radios to maintain connectivity. What firmware are you > running on the Touch? > > Paul Player Model: Squeezebox Touch Player Type: fab4 Firmware: 7.8.0-r16754 Wireless Signal Strength: 100% 1 Touch 5 Receivers 3 Controllers 2 Radios Making streaming music in my home a full time job! FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
FredFredrickson wrote: > Yes, I use Wifi Analyzer to determine what's going on. So far, it's not > "noise" that determines failure state for my players. It's literally > just the channel change. I've now reproduced this behavior. I can switch > from channel 1 to 3 which are both empty, and the touch falls off and > requires a reboot. > > I have switched the channel on my router and I have not had to reboot the Touch or SB Radios to maintain connectivity. What firmware are you running on the Touch? Paul P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
Redrum wrote: > but, your wireless bridges solve your problem, right? So, you could keep > the receivers and touch on your wireless bridges, but try wlanpoke for > your radio. This is assuming you need your radio to be portable and on > wifi (move it around or use it on battery). > > At the risk of being redundant, I will not use receivers on wifi at all > anymore, not worth the aggravation. > > Jim At $24 a pop for these tp-link bridges, I say wifi is dead as far as my SB system is concerned and am in the process of moving ALL of them to wired connections to the TP-Links. What a great upgrade, I don't think these have ever been this stable- not even brand new! 1 Touch 5 Receivers 3 Controllers 2 Radios Making streaming music in my home a full time job! FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
FredFredrickson wrote: > I'm told this only works on radio? I have multiple SB Receivers and a > touch that are also falling offline. but, your wireless bridges solve your problem, right? So, you could keep the receivers and touch on your wireless bridges, but try wlanpoke for your radio. This is assuming you need your radio to be portable and on wifi (move it around or use it on battery). At the risk of being redundant, I will not use receivers on wifi at all anymore, not worth the aggravation. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
Ah - yes - wlanpoke is for Squeezebox Radio Paul Webster author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc australia and cbc/radio-canada and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin lots more - see https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115201-announce-radio-now-playing-plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
Paul Webster wrote: > wlanpoke may well resolve that automatically for you - if you don't want > to leave your router fixed to a specific channel. I'm told this only works on radio? I have multiple SB Receivers and a touch that are also falling offline. 1 Touch 5 Receivers 3 Controllers 2 Radios Making streaming music in my home a full time job! FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
FredFredrickson wrote: > I've now reproduced this behavior. I can switch from channel 1 to 3 > which are both empty, and the touch falls off and requires a reboot. > wlanpoke may well resolve that automatically for you - if you don't want to leave your router fixed to a specific channel. Paul Webster author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc australia and cbc/radio-canada and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin lots more - see https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115201-announce-radio-now-playing-plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
Redrum wrote: > Interesting. So, maybe it could not just be "what channel", but the > event of the channel change itself (your touch dropped off on the > change). > > I am wondering if you have looked at what the network congestion looks > like near your players? I use an android app called wifi analyzer. I'm > quite rural. Here is the shot near my touch, about 30' from my router, > and you can see my neighbor's network (tate). I have no idea where his > router is, but it's at least 2-3 walls and 50-100' away. We are playing > nice on different channels :) > > sorry for the huge image, I used to have a windows app to resize...maybe > not anymore... > > Jim Yes, I use Wifi Analyzer to determine what's going on. So far, it's not "noise" that determines failure state for my players. It's literally just the channel change. I've now reproduced this behavior. I can switch from channel 1 to 3 which are both empty, and the touch falls off and requires a reboot. bpa wrote: > The problem with "auto" it becomes a game amongst competing routers - as > soon one sees a "better" channel, it changes and soon other routers also > go that "better" channel, then the router will re-evaluate and see the > channel it came from is "better" and it changes again. > > So many users avoid the "auto "setting as it can lead to unstable > networks. I'm torn. I tried stealing an empty channel last weekend and it worked for a few days before it became noisy and it started interfering with my video streaming. Given that "auto" mode works well with all of my devices (except SB), and I now have newer wifi bridges to fix that, I'm going to keep it on auto and enjoy my new rock-solid squeezebox setup. 1 Touch 5 Receivers 3 Controllers 2 Radios Making streaming music in my home a full time job! FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
FredFredrickson wrote: > I had a Fascinating Observation last night. I had manually set my 2.4 > ghz wifi channel to 11 last weekend but I noticed it was noisy so I set > it back to Auto and the wifi router found a better channel. The problem with "auto" it becomes a game amongst competing routers - as soon one sees a "better" channel, it changes and soon other routers also go that "better" channel, then the router will re-evaluate and see the channel it came from is "better" and it changes again. So many users avoid the "auto "setting as it can lead to unstable networks. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
FredFredrickson wrote: > I had a Fascinating Observation last night. I had manually set my 2.4 > ghz wifi channel to 11 last weekend but I noticed it was noisy so I set > it back to Auto and the wifi router found a better channel. > > Immediately the SB Touch fell offline, while the others that have wifi > bridges have stayed online solid. > > I have a feeling that with "Auto" on channel set, the old SBs wifi > radios were struggling to stay connected when the channel changed. I > suspect the router wasn't updating the channel that often, which is why > I'd get sometimes days and sometimes weeks between dropouts. Interesting. So, maybe it could not just be "what channel", but the event of the channel change itself (your touch dropped off on the change). I am wondering if you have looked at what the network congestion looks like near your players? I use an android app called wifi analyzer. I'm quite rural. Here is the shot near my touch, about 30' from my router, and you can see my neighbor's network (tate). I have no idea where his router is, but it's at least 2-3 walls and 50-100' away. We are playing nice on different channels :) sorry for the huge image, I used to have a windows app to resize...maybe not anymore... 37550 Jim +---+ |Filename: Screenshot_20220323-112557.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=37550| +---+ Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
I had a Fascinating Observation last night. I had manually set my 2.4 ghz wifi channel to 11 last weekend but I noticed it was noisy so I set it back to Auto and the wifi router found a better channel. Immediately the SB Touch fell offline, while the others that have wifi bridges have stayed online solid. I have a feeling that with "Auto" on channel set, the old SBs wifi radios were struggling to stay connected when the channel changed. I suspect the router wasn't updating the channel that often, which is why I'd get sometimes days and sometimes weeks between dropouts. 1 Touch 5 Receivers 3 Controllers 2 Radios Making streaming music in my home a full time job! FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
Okay so this might be a little too early to tell but initial results are quite good. I put in 2 of the 3 wifi bridges that I intend to put in. The 2 that have them have stayed online since Saturday when I put them in (about 44 hours as of writing this). The 1 that I didn't replace went offline in that same time. No reboots necessary for the freshly wired units. I am having a different issue that spotty occasionally comes to the end of a track but doesn't proceed to the next track in the playlist. I think unrelated, I'll make another thread in the 3rd party apps about it. 1 Touch 5 Receivers 3 Controllers 2 Radios Making streaming music in my home a full time job! FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
Okay so I ordered 3x TP-Link AC750 WiFi Extender, and a 50' ethernet cable and i'm going to wire 1, use bridge mode on extenders to wire 3, and will report back how they operate. They're coming tomorrow! 1 Touch 5 Receivers 3 Controllers 2 Radios Making streaming music in my home a full time job! FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
FredFredrickson wrote: > The units are on different circuits so I think that rules out that > option. Also, do you need a 1-to-1 on those? If I want to hook up 4 > devices would i need to occupy 8 outlets?You would need 5 not 8 but if the > units are on different phases they wouldn't help. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RobbH wrote: > Someone suggested HomePlug, aka powerline networking. Have you > considered that? Depending on the wiring in your house, it might be an > option. The units are on different circuits so I think that rules out that option. Also, do you need a 1-to-1 on those? If I want to hook up 4 devices would i need to occupy 8 outlets? 1 Touch 5 Receivers 3 Controllers 2 Radios Making streaming music in my home a full time job! FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
FredFredrickson wrote: > Wired is more of a challenge as this old home just doesn't have the > flexibility for it. Someone suggested HomePlug, aka powerline networking. Have you considered that? Depending on the wiring in your house, it might be an option. LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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FredFredrickson wrote: > .I think i'm going to try getting a handful of these and connect to the > ethernet ports: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B093WZ15FR/ > > Unless anybody has a better recommendation on brand? I have no experience with them but some people are using vonets for the radio, and powering them with the radio ps (I think). Do a serach of "vonet" in this forum, make combined with "radio" Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Redrum wrote: > what did the touch do that was one step better? Don't know - never looked at differences between the two. I suppose compromises were made to enable running on battery with a reasonable duration - but it may be something as simple as antenna design/placement (and no speaker). bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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markiii wrote: > all depends on your access. I also hardwire if i can The wifi coverage is great. I have fire tv sticks in almost the same place as each receiver, and they get perfect signal. Wired is more of a challenge as this old home just doesn't have the flexibility for it. 1 Touch 5 Receivers 3 Controllers 2 Radios Making streaming music in my home a full time job! FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Redrum wrote: > > with all of the discussion with sb radio wireless issues, what did the > touch do that was one step better? They seem to be more...stable. It > seems like there is allot of very recent radio issues. I'm fairly rural, > so I don't see it. > > Jim Which is a shame as the Radio is the portable one. I've been lucky so far with my Radios. Touch wood [emoji2] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa wrote: > Strong signal does not necessarily mean a good quality signal. > I think there is a lot more "noise" at the edges of channels due to new > tech/faster standards and so old chips find it hard to decode their data > stream even from a strong signal. right, which is why I used "seemingly" I guess I meant (way back when) when I look at the "wireless signal strength" in the player's settings->advanced settings and saw a high %. Not very indicative, hence "seemingly" :) with all of the discussion with sb radio wireless issues, what did the touch do that was one step better? They seem to be more...stable. It seems like there is allot of very recent radio issues. I'm fairly rural, so I don't see it. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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all depends on your access. I also hardwire if i can PiCorePlayer 7.1 on Allo Digi One Signaturewith (Lounge) PiCorePlayer 8.1 with pi official touchscreen and hifiberry Dig+ (Office) PiCorePlayer 8.1 with pi official touchscreen and hifiberry DAC+(Kitchen) Radio (Bedroom) PiCorePlayer 8.1 with pi official touchscreen and USB DAC (Bedroom) Squeezelite=x (Garage) PiCorePlayer 8.1 with hifiberry AMP+(Patio 2) PiCorePlayer 8.1.1 with hifiberry AMP+(Patio 2) LMS 8.1 on DIY Unraid 6 Server (i5) Squeeze user since the SB1 markiii's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa wrote: > At night, lots of thing happen. Power save modes means lower tx/rx > power, greater interference from neighbours etc., DHCP IP lease > expire/renew etc. > > > > Certainly old chips were designed in the expectation of how radio > bandwidth was being used and that has changed radically in 10 years - > new chips have to be better at finer details but old chips find it hard > to ignore the unexpected overspill of the new tech and so for old chips > it is hard to see the signal clearly. That is why I suggest an old > router as an AP - and keep all new tech Wifi on significantly different > frequencies. Even when the Duet was brand new I was always struggling with wifi, I'd have good months, and bad months, relocations, reboots, etc. So instead of getting an older access point I think i'm going to try getting a handful of these and connect to the ethernet ports: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B093WZ15FR/ Unless anybody has a better recommendation on brand? 1 Touch 5 Receivers 3 Controllers 2 Radios Making streaming music in my home a full time job! FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
Redrum wrote: > I (and others) had receiver wifi problems even with a seemly strong > signal. Strong signal does not necessarily mean a good quality signal. I think there is a lot more "noise" at the edges of channels due to new tech/faster standards and so old chips find it hard to decode their data stream even from a strong signal. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
FredFredrickson wrote: > I don't want to speak too soon but usually the receivers drop off > overnight and since my wired test started, it's still going strong. At night, lots of thing happen. Power save modes means lower tx/rx power, greater interference from neighbours etc., DHCP IP lease expire/renew etc. > I think there's definitely some nonsense with the old chips and new wifi > tech, and I think the best solution is to get some wifi to ethernet > bridges and just do it. Certainly old chips were designed in the expectation of how radio bandwidth was being used and that has changed radically in 10 years - new chips have to be better at finer details but old chips find it hard to ignore the unexpected overspill of the new tech and so for old chips it is hard to see the signal clearly. That is why I suggest an old router as an AP - and keep all new tech Wifi on significantly different frequencies. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
FredFredrickson wrote: > . > I don't want to speak too soon but usually the receivers drop off > overnight and since my wired test started, it's still going strong. . I (and others) had receiver wifi problems even with a seemly strong signal. It also seemed (to me) that the receiver would just lock up with a network glitch where the other players would weather the storm. I gave up, and use just one with ethernet. I ended up running a 20' ethernet cable in the basement instead of beating my skull against the desk :) There are a few old threads where the wifi antenna location caused by the small form factor is suspected. There are others that opened the box and moved the antenna, still others configured external antennas. I just decommisioned all but one. You can (could - pis are scarce) get a pi with a hat, or one of Phillipe's squeezeamps cheap enough Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa wrote: > Channel 3 is not a good channel to use as it overlaps with channel > 1,2,4,5 & 6 and this is just with 20MHz - with bonding at 40MHz and it > is even worse. So other networks on neigbouring channels can interfere > with your network and reduce quality of signal - a strong signal does > not means a signal with good quality > > To minimise overlaps and so get best connection - it is common practice > to limit choice to channel 1,6, and 11 (and maybe 13 if in Europe/Japan > but some devices can't use it) Interesting. I switched to 11, we'll see if it makes a difference, thanks!. Redrum wrote: > At first I thought it was very telling (wifi as @w3w and @bpa suggest) > that the radio and receivers are the problem, not the touch, but you say > the touch still has problems weekly? > > I think your connecting to ethernet and testing is a good move to > confirm this. My receivers have always been goofy on wifi, even with > what we might feel is a good signal. Most are in a box, one is on > ethernet. Radio wifi issues are all over this forum. > > I really wonder (and have no knowledge to support this) if age is > starting to come into play with some of these old wifi chips/boards. The > touch is a newer gen wifi chipset if believe? > > Jim I don't want to speak too soon but usually the receivers drop off overnight and since my wired test started, it's still going strong. I think there's definitely some nonsense with the old chips and new wifi tech, and I think the best solution is to get some wifi to ethernet bridges and just do it. I have a lot of squeezeboxes so I want to source cheap bridges.. but not so cheap that they make the problem worse! 1 Touch 4 Receivers 3 Controllers 3 Radios (I think I have a problem) FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
FredFredrickson wrote: > > > The touch is the only one that doesn't disconnect for me. > > Both the receivers and radio require rebooting almost daily. The > touch is weekly At first I thought it was very telling (wifi as @w3w and @bpa suggest) that the radio and receivers are the problem, not the touch, but you say the touch still has problems weekly? I think your connecting to ethernet and testing is a good move to confirm this. My receivers have always been goofy on wifi, even with what we might feel is a good signal. Most are in a box, one is on ethernet. Radio wifi issues are all over this forum. I really wonder (and have no knowledge to support this) if age is starting to come into play with some of these old wifi chips/boards. The touch is a newer gen wifi chipset if believe? Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
FredFredrickson wrote: > My 2.4 ghz wifi is on channel 3 and I can confirm with wifi analyzer > there's nothing else on the channel. I can also confirm I've used other > channels and other WiFi routers. This issue has been constant for years > and I've mostly just ignored it. Channel 3 is not a good channel to use as it overlaps with channel 1,2,4,5 & 6 and this is just with 20MHz - with bonding at 40MHz and it is even worse. So other networks on neigbouring channels can interfere with your network and reduce quality of signal - a strong signal does not means a signal with good quality To minimise overlaps and so get best connection - it is common practice to limit choice to channel 1,6, and 11 (and maybe 13 if in Europe/Japan but some devices can't use it) bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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w3wilkes wrote: > Sounds like a classic wifi issue. Have you checked to see if you have > competing neighbors on the same channel that you're using for your > 2.4Ghz band? I explicitly set my channel rather than have the router use > the auto setting, I do think the receivers have issues following the > router if the wifi channel is set to auto. How old is your router. I > recently upgraded to an ASUS AX (wifi 6) router and found that the > signal was strong enough that I've now removed the access point I put in > the basement. I've had no trouble with the wifi 6 being enabled on the > ASUS router either. My 2 receivers and the Boom work without a hitch on > wifi. My 2.4 ghz wifi is on channel 3 and I can confirm with wifi analyzer there's nothing else on the channel. I can also confirm I've used other channels and other WiFi routers. This issue has been constant for years and I've mostly just ignored it. The touch is the only one that doesn't disconnect for me. I don't have WiFi 6 enabled but I do have a differently named 5ghz network broadcast in my home. I restarted all units this morning and as of right now only one is disconnected, it's a receiver closest to The WiFi router. Both the recievers and radio require rebooting almost daily. The touch is weekly. 1 Touch 4 Receivers 3 Controllers 3 Radios (I think I have a problem) FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining an Old System
Sounds like a classic wifi issue. Have you checked to see if you have competing neighbors on the same channel that you're using for your 2.4Ghz band? I explicitly set my channel rather than have the router use the auto setting, I do think the receivers have issues following the router if the wifi channel is set to auto. How old is your router. I recently upgraded to an ASUS AX (wifi 6) router and found that the signal was strong enough that I've now removed the access point I put in the basement. I've had no trouble with the wifi 6 being enabled on the ASUS router either. My 2 receivers and the Boom work without a hitch on wifi. Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 8.2.0 on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 8.2.0 on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave Squeezebox Boom - "At Large" player around both home and cabin Headphones and car - Android phone/Bluetooth w/full library on MicroSD card - PowerAmp music player app (similar to Material Skin) w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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If you're willing, you might try disabling some of the "WIFI 6" features of your router. There are threads here discussing specifics. Or, switch to HomePlug. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Maintaining an Old System
So I've been around on and off since 2008 and I've always loved my squeezeboxen as a main staple of my daily life, but over the past years they've started playing second fiddle to the Amazon Echos in the house because the echo has better WAF and it requires much less fiddling. But of course, the echos have their own problems and multi-room audio leaves much to be desired. I have currently in use 3 SB Receivers, 2 Radios, A Touch, and a Windows 10 Server. On a daily basis, most or all devices fall off until I reboot them. They'll often work for *some time* but listening to spotty the stream will eventually fail after a few hours until I click skip to next track. By the next morning, most devices will have disappeared off the server's list. I've seen the Radio fixes with that script to re-initiate wifi, but that doesn't really address my issues with the other devices. My wifi is strong, new in 2021 netgear nighthawk. I don't have much in the way of a wired network as the house is quite old. What's the best solution at this point? Time to start considering upgrade? Or should I get wireless to Ethernet bridges for all of them? Will spotty be more reliable then or are these problems basically endemic to the platform at this point? 1 Touch 4 Receivers 3 Controllers 3 Radios (I think I have a problem) FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
