Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-09 Thread alfista
pallfreeman wrote: No, what I said was that Logitech have been encouraging use of their official forum since day 1, which is incorrect. The quoute was verbatim from one of your posts in this thread. pallfreeman wrote: Very fair point, but is it not a case of Logitech turning their backs on

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-07 Thread alfista
pallfreeman wrote: As I (almost) said before, Logitech have encouraged people to use their official forum for the Squeezeboxes for a long time. They may prefer it if we refer all UE stuff there. Could be. Either way, Logitech can have it the way they want, an UE related section here will only

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-07 Thread pallfreeman
alfista wrote: What you didn't just almost say was: No, what I said was that Logitech have been encouraging use of their official forum since day 1, which is incorrect. I don't think we are likely to change that by turning our back on the users who hop on the UE train now, simply because

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-06 Thread castalla
pallfreeman wrote: The Mrs. is Scouse. I'm calmly trying to protect my investment. I don't suppose an alternative POV will make much difference, but they came for the Jews first. They came for the Communists first, then the others later

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-06 Thread garym
aubuti wrote: Then you're thinking too hard, and overlooking the huge share of companies (especially public companies) that focus on short-term profits. No, I fully understand that today for many, many companies (unfortunately) it is only the next quarter's results that matter. I was being

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-06 Thread alfista
erland wrote: Currently a success of UE Smart Radio is the biggest chance that Logitech will continue to maintain the Squeezebox server/firmware as it's pretty similar to UE Smart Radio Prexactly! I don't think I will buy into the new products, they're not really the thing for me, but I think

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-06 Thread pallfreeman
alfista wrote: but stubbornly trying to obstruct their efforts would be counteractive (and also futile). As I (almost) said before, Logitech have encouraged people to use their official forum for the Squeezeboxes for a long time. They may prefer it if we refer all UE stuff there. They may

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-06 Thread pallfreeman
castalla wrote: They came for the Communists first, then the others later Damn, did Google get it wrong again? pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread:

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread garym
mps wrote: And maybe one for the UE equivalent of LMS. Seems like the best way to impact their direction to the needs of the user community already exists (with posts) at official site: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Logitech-UE/bd-p/lue

[slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread mps
And maybe one for the UE equivalent of LMS. Seems like the best way to impact their direction to the needs of the user community mps's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36351 View this thread:

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread castalla
garym wrote: already exists (with posts) at official site: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Logitech-UE/bd-p/lue Unless they fork off a sub-forum for the Radio and Media Player, it'll turn into a real jumble of posts about headphones, etc.

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread garym
castalla wrote: Unless they fork off a sub-forum for the Radio and Media Player, it'll turn into a real jumble of posts about headphones, etc. agree! garym's Profile:

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread mps
garym wrote: already exists (with posts) at official site: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Logitech-UE/bd-p/lue I was thinking about having one at this site, like we do for all other devices with squeezebox lineage

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread garym
mps wrote: I was thinking about having one at this site, like we do for all other devices with squeezebox lineage wouldn't hurt. Have no idea who can add a forum. p.s. We don't have a forum here for (1) Transporter, (2) SB3 (or SB1 or SB2 for that matter)

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread pallfreeman
I'm glad someone's brought this up. IMO, we should refuse to have anything to do with the UE stuff on the Squeezebox forum. Let's see how well Logitech cope with supporting their users without additional resources from the community. Maybe just for a while, in the hope that we might get some

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread mps
pallfreeman wrote: I'm glad someone's brought this up. IMO, we should refuse to have anything to do with the UE stuff on the Squeezebox forum. Let's see how well Logitech cope with supporting their users without additional resources from the community. Maybe just for a while, in the hope

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread Mnyb
mps wrote: I don't think going to war with Logitech is going to help anything. We've always had official forums at Logitech and more community-oriented ones here. I think it's premature to stop that model without even giving Logitech's new approach to the technology a chance. The main

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread erland
Mnyb wrote: So sure we can have an UE-radio forum besides the normal radio forum (if someone decides that is a good idea ) ? but they are going to have to build a knowledge base from scratch as most people here don't have such knowledge, it will take a while . But UE users may initially

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread garym
erland wrote: it would also be a sign that Logitech want this forum to stay. very good point. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread:

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread pallfreeman
mps wrote: I don't think going to war with Logitech is going to help anything. Who said anything about going to war? This is more like industrial action: they're not co-operating with us, so why should we co-operate with them? We've always had official forums at Logitech and more

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread pallfreeman
Mnyb wrote: But UE users may initially get better help/comunity on the oficial forum . They've been trying to persuade us to use the Official Forum since day 1. Seems like a good time to help them do this by redirecting all the UE issues there. Personally i find the official forums

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread pallfreeman
garym wrote: very good point. No it isn't. It's bending over for our wannabe corporate masters. That's not what Open Source is supposed to be about. pallfreeman's Profile:

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread castalla
I think it's time to follow the advice of The Scousers (for non-UK readers, that's people from Liverpool) and 'Calm Down': http://youtu.be/ns8MHC4WLRI castalla's Profile:

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread pallfreeman
castalla wrote: I think it's time to follow the advice of The Scousers (for non-UK readers, that's people from Liverpool) and 'Calm Down': The Mrs. is Scouse. I'm calmly trying to protect my investment. I don't suppose an alternative POV will make much difference, but they came for the

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread garym
Look, I have more of this stuff than the average user. But it's not an investment. I have investments and thats a different animal. It's a nice, inexpensive networked music system that has quality and flexibility. I love it. But Logitech is a company, not our best friend. And they are not the

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread garym
And squeezebox is not entirely open source. If you are seeking pure open source (and nothing wrong with that), this is the wrong place. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread routehero
It's highly unlikely that anyone is regularly reviewing these forums from Logitech besides mherger and perhaps some of the old Squeezenetworks engineers. With that said, any complaints that you're voicing here are unlikely to reach the right audience. The official Logitech forum is also a

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread pallfreeman
garym wrote: Look As least you didn't call me pal. :-) I have more of this stuff than the average user. But it's not an investment. I have investments and thats a different animal. It's a nice, inexpensive networked music system that has quality and flexibility. I love it. I don't

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread garym
pallfreeman wrote: So it's all about the money? Sad. Maybe sad, maybe not. I can afford all my toys because some organization (that wants to make money) is willing to pay me for my efforts. Logitech is a public company that is somewhat (completely?) beholden to their Board and shareholders.

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread aubuti
garym wrote: And I have a hard time coming up with an example of a company that doesn't focus on at least long term profit. Then you're thinking too hard, and overlooking the huge share of companies (especially public companies) that focus on short-term profits.

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread erland
garym wrote: And they pay for and host this forum. So it strikes me that keeping the forum alive is a good idea. Exactly, and it's probably more likely that they will keep it on longer terms if there is a UE Smart Radio section on it.

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread erland
routehero wrote: It's highly unlikely that anyone is regularly reviewing these forums from Logitech besides mherger and perhaps some of the old Squeezenetworks engineers. With that said, any complaints that you're voicing here are unlikely to reach the right audience. The official

Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?

2012-09-05 Thread Michael Herger
They've been trying to persuade us to use the Official Forum since day 1. Ahmm... didn't you just claim to still two SliMP3s in response to a similar claim? :-P -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com