audiomuze wrote:
- preserve the knowledge encapsulated in this forum and in the Wiki's -
can they be replicated, how would they be hosted, could they be cut down
to a focused Wiki dealing with the specific nuances of each devices e.g.
how to hardware reset a TP, SB3, Touch etc.
For
SlimChances wrote:
Erland You said in an earlier post on this thread Squeezebox
Classic/Boom/Transporter/Receiver all load their firmware via the local
LMS, so for these there aren't any issue to load the firmware you like
and they don't force mysqueezebox.com registration.
Does this mean
SlimChances wrote:
Erland You said in an earlier post on this thread Squeezebox
Classic/Boom/Transporter/Receiver all load their firmware via the local
LMS, so for these there aren't any issue to load the firmware you like
and they don't force mysqueezebox.com registration.
Does this mean
That's good as most of my players are the older style Classic and SB3
players. I will be following these threads on how to prepare for the
eventuality that LMS and MySqueezebox.com are no longer supported, with
interest. It may be a couple of years or it may be sooner but it is
inevitable .
Erland You said in an earlier post on this thread Squeezebox
Classic/Boom/Transporter/Receiver all load their firmware via the local
LMS, so for these there aren't any issue to load the firmware you like
and they don't force mysqueezebox.com registration.
Does this mean if I had to do a factory
JJZolx wrote:
I'm probably forgetting a few things, but:
- much better sound quality than a PC's onboard audio, without a
pressing need for an external S/PDIF or USB DAC
- better S/PDIF, with lower jitter
- MUCH better audio syncing with other Squeezeboxes
- IR remote
Will there be a UE Touch?
Not the Touch as we know it.
So there will be a dumbed down Touch of some sort.
That's not what I said. I said there won't be a Touch as we know it. There
might be none. Or a dumber, or a smarter one, or anything. Basically: we
don't comment on future
mherger wrote:
It'll be what it'll be.
--
Michael
So there -*will*- be an *it* then! ;)
Just kidding, I understand the constraint you are under and we all
really appreciate your candour and helpfulness in posting to this forum
and don't want to get you into trouble. I hope Logitech
JJZolx wrote:
I'm probably forgetting a few things, but:
- much better sound quality than a PC's onboard audio, without a
pressing need for an external S/PDIF or USB DAC
..
- a color display of what's playing
- very low energy use
Pretty much
I suppose Logitech might have a change of heart - they have the UE
Radios for the consumer electronics end of the market, but the software
exists for a broader and deeper range of products.
Personally, I never saw the sense of the Touch with its flashy screen -
it fell between the cracks.
What
I'm not sure a cheap Receiver is in the cards, at least not if the
initial branding efforts are any indication. It seems they want UE to be
Logitech's more upscale audio brand, so I suspect you'll see products
designed to produce higher margins than an inexpensive Receiver might
bring.
GeeJay wrote:
I'm not sure a cheap Receiver is in the cards
Then that leaves me in the same position as before the announcement: why
buy a SB Touch for £200 when I can get a small format PC with S/PDIF out
for the same price?
Labarum wrote:
Then that leaves me in the same position as before the announcement: why
buy a SB Touch for £200 when I can get a small format PC with S/PDIF out
for the same price?
No good answer, other than Logitech may figure it can sell many more
units of the higher-end product to people
Labarum wrote:
I suppose Logitech might have a change of heart - they have the UE
Radios for the consumer electronics end of the market, but the software
exists for a broader and deeper range of products.
Personally, I never saw the sense of the Touch with its flashy screen -
it fell
Labarum wrote:
Then that leaves me in the same position as before the announcement: why
buy a SB Touch for £200 when I can get a small format PC with S/PDIF out
for the same price?
Exactly. Or one of several £100 media players which provide a digital
out?
Labarum wrote:
Then that leaves me in the same position as before the announcement: why
buy a SB Touch for £200 when I can get a small format PC with S/PDIF out
for the same price?
I'm probably forgetting a few things, but:
- much better sound quality than a PC's onboard audio, without
JJZolx wrote:
I'm probably forgetting a few things, but:
- much better sound quality than a PC's onboard audio, without a
pressing need for an external S/PDIF or USB DAC
- better S/PDIF, with lower jitter
- MUCH better audio syncing with other Squeezeboxes
Hi guys
If there is any assistance I can provide drop me a line through my
website. I dont plan on going anywhere and will continue to support my
plugins for the foreseeable future :)
Cheers
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Mnyb wrote:
We need to fix the My apps menu to work without mysqueezebox.com .
I have two local apps , triodes spotify and mhergers bandcamp , these
are local plugins but their UI resides in my apps .
If the conection with mysb.com breaks I have observed that this menu is
totally empty
Triode wrote:
I think its premature to be panicking about this - I will definitely be
expecting to maintain support for my BBCiPlayer and Spotify plugins to
work with my ip3k based transporter and other players + touch (or
emulators..). If Logi does pull the plug then I see a community fork
Labarum wrote:
That's all I need to know - thanks.
My Squeezeboxes will work for a good few years yet, I hope. If I see
second hand stuff at the right price I might be tempted to buy some
spares - but didn't the Boom go up in price after being discontinued?
That happened to receivers too
Mnyb wrote:
Also if the project fork and if a community replacement for mysb.com
arises ,you still want the majority of work to be done by the local
server to save load , so as much as possible done locally .
This pretty much assumes a local server ,but that's how has to be.
It
erland wrote:
It depends, I agree that some logic currently handled by
mysqueezebox.com should ideally be handled on the local network of each
user, but I don't think it has to be in a separate server it can also be
on the playback device itself.
Regarding local vs central server it's
I only use ip3k players, so I rely totally on a local server.
I think that in a community fork scenario, a drastic change in users
demographics must be taken into account. Casual internet radio users
will go elsewhere, no new users, die-hard SB users leaving little by
little. This would be the
epoch1970 wrote:
With a flock of tiny 24/7 servers maybe stream handling could be
distributed, as in the torrents + tracker model ?
I hardly think server capacity is the issue, rather that some of these
services is unlikely to cooperate with a loose knit bunch of hackers. To
put it bluntly, I
alfista wrote:
I hardly think server capacity is the issue, rather that some of these
services is unlikely to cooperate with a loose knit bunch of hackers. To
put it bluntly, I expect many of them want an entity (such as a company)
that they can sue if terms in the comprehensive contract is
epoch1970 wrote:
Sure thing.
Bandwidth is expensive, so a decentralized system, as far as possible
and acceptable, might decrease the costs.
I could be wrong, but if we consider only the traffic and processor load
involved for users that run local LMS (i e not connecting their players
How do Fusion Research ( http://www.fusionrd.com/ovation_2.htm ) handle
all the services, I guess they do not use mysb.com.
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Mnyb wrote:
I can see the practical reasons for logitech as they do it now to keep
most services at mysb.com even if they could be local ,as you say
maintenance is easier . But that may be an expensive solution if done on
hobby basis .
I don't think it can be done on hobby basis, if a
Great post and I agree. I for one will stick around as I do use mainly
the offline functionality.
Would support an offiline fork as I can. I guess the fork doesn't need
to happen immediately as LMS may still be supported in bug fix mode by
the Logitech guys.
We also need to think about what
I have read (skimmed) the very long thread.
I agree with the contents of this thread. There is no immediate risk to
Squeezebox as we use it.
Watch and wait - that's my plan.
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Erland, regarding redistribution of LMS - I thought it was licensed
under one of the GPL licences. Doesn't that permit distribution?
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Another thought: Squeezeslave and squeezeplay will become more
important. For example peeps may replace there hardware with small
silent pcs running these.
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erland wrote:
In reality, it's not legally possible for anybody except for Logitech to
make the LMS nor firmware binaries available for download, you can
obviously do it but you would violate the license and take the risk of
being sued by Logitech and/or its partners. However, keeping a
erland wrote:
In my opinion this is probably the most important part, mirroring
information to some other place is very easy compared to gather a new
community with people with similar knowledge/experience as this one. The
people are worth a lot more than the information itself, the
Redistribution of the firmware is not permitted. That is clear.
Redistribution of the LMS packages from Logitech is restricted because
they contain the firmware for the ip3k-based players (SB1, SB2/3, Boom,
Receiver, Transporter).
Distribution of an LMS-like package, without the firmware
This thread (Squeezebox Radio Dead) popped up about a week or so ago on
the official logitech forums. At that time I was pleasantly surprised
to open it and discover the content.
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Squeezebox-Players/Squeezebox-Radio-Dead/td-p/871922
We need to fix the My apps menu to work without mysqueezebox.com .
I have two local apps , triodes spotify and mhergers bandcamp , these
are local plugins but their UI resides in my apps .
If the conection with mysb.com breaks I have observed that this menu is
totally empty ? No local apps ?
OK, so further development of the Squeezebox product line and ecosystem
as we know it by Logitech is now officially dead or being extincted.
However, legacy SB devices such as the SBx players, Duet, Touch, TP etc.
can continue to function perfectly well to service a local music library
without
audiomuze wrote:
The way I see it those looking for online media consumption/ streaming
devices will and should begin looking to alternatives (please lets not
debate that in this thread - anyone wishing to explore this topic please
do so in a separate thread)
I agree, we should handle this
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