-left-shift - which is pretty quick, and lets me
insert those few special characters I need. It's not perfect, but it's not
completely terrible. Of cour,e this is only becasue the characters I need
are all Western European letters. It would be different if eg I needed lots
of symbol
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for instance, a macro you could find by following th elinks in this .sig;
there is a classier and more comprehensive macro you could find by googling
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> Thanks! I just found out, that I need 1.9.x79 ... it works
> now.
>
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Probably works even better in 2.02 :-)
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the cursor
> touches the word. Maybe it is possible to do a feature that circles
> between the capitalization states and works as follows:
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> test TEST Test test .
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There is a macro that does exactly that (in all European languages) in my
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The only drawback I know to this is that the word count does not ignore
text you have deleted, which will normally be marked with an underline. I'm
pretty certain that is fixable with a macro but it would be
obably have to write the sorting bits yourself: I
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> Can you please give me some examples, of stuff that MsO's document map
> does, that cannot be done with OOo's Navigator?
>
So far as I can tell, they do the same. NO time for exhaustive checks right
now.
seful view where only the first line of every paragraph is
shown.
It lets you promotoe and demote paragraphs and their subheadings by pushing
them around with a mouse than requiring two different mouse clicks. This is
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not in MS Office? It's one of the first things I do when using
a new copy. Tools -> Customise -> Keyboard
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be really ridiculous. Everyone knows that OOo is one of the
most successful and relatively bug-free bits of open source software in the
world, and that the huge majority of sourceforge projects don't bloody work
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his, I wrote "core program" --
if we're counting dictionaries, even I have contributed to the program,
since I started the UK English dictionary, since taken on by much more
capable people. I don't think of that as adding to the program code.
I suppose I meant, "not one cont
the users' needs, they don't get used.
If people want their particular program to get used, they need to take into
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Well, you're both right. I mean that eyeballs finding bugs does not
translate to eyeballs capable of fixing them. There may be some comment by
Eric Raymond about this over on my blog. I can't remember. In any case, his
argument was -- I think -- that users don't have eyeballs that matt
hen it is complete, will bring the program up to the
level that MS Office was, in most languages, eight years ago.
Meanwhile, the facts are as I stated them.
> In any other case, there is a specific liability because your work
> *may* damage the interests of other people.
>
ython, Perl, PHP. OOo itself seems to me to lie on the
margin.
Essentially, the project needs a political API -- a set of well-defined and
inviting rules which let interested parties help.
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t put off significant numbers of
users. I think the point is that cvolunteer programmers are -- naturally --
attracted to bugs (and still more, adding features) that are interesting to
them, and there is no mechanism such as money can provide for making them
more interested in the tedious work of fi
enOffice.org, I can surely say that the quoted
> sentences are not true.
>
You can say that I was mistaken -- but it was true, so far as I knew. What
is the code you have contributed?
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> organized manner (ie not impulse crime, or individual crime)
>
Sometime I hope to be able to lecture you as confidently on French usag
only use violence or the
threat of violence to settle disputes. That gives it an entirely different
favour to the mafia.
Microsoft is an entirely legitimate business which has done some illegal
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e, difficult even to imagine, let alone to prove.
As for the other crimes, they are, as you say, anti-trust violations. They
were crimes, that should have been punished. But they are not the methods
of organised crime, which involve violence, usually or often against family
members as well as the pe
very million users is not
a good ratio. No one, including me, has found ways of improving it though.
The one thing that is clear is that banging on about the evils of microsoft
does nothing whatever to make Openoffice more useful to anyone.
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>
ON a mailing list filled with silly exaggerations, this is, I think, the
single most ridiculous remark I have ever read.
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y way and let me work, and it can sometimes
give me harmless, hobbyist fun, like fly-tying. Since most people have
interest in that kind of fun, all they want of an operating system is that
it should be invisible.
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indows and
linux, which rather destroys the costs savings.
So, he says, Star/OpenOffice is OK for low-level clerical work. But it
can't replace MS Office for the more important stuff.
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> checkers in the same OpenOfficeOrg writer, because of only
> one language version can be installed into the same machine.
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on a boring and unoriginal job without getting paid
anything and with no guarantee at the end of it that anyone would ever care
(for some other project might have got there first) then the complete XML
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> carry a virus.
>
Yes, but our RTF filters are horrible. Much worse than the .doc ones. And
-- really -- you can't get word viruses if you use OOo to open word
documents.
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thing?
>
You don't? Are you sure? Under "Reload"? I certainly do. (This is on
Windows).
It's not the same thing as changes, since changes feature doesn' save
snapshopts, the way that versioning does.
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> Hey, moron, this is a mailing list about
> OPENOFFICE.ORG<http://OPENOFFICE.ORG>- it's an office suite.
>
> Grow a clue.
>
>
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I haven't tried it myself, since I bludged something that does all I need.
But since he is the man who wrote most of our MS Word filters, I'd expect
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tz's blog the other day -- an dhe is a man who
has some influence on the devleopment of the program. There is something
like this for Macs already. I'm sure one could figure out a way to do it in
*nix. But it's much less hassle if someone ele does it.
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document as either plain text or html
through gmail seems perfectly possible.
The real problem is calendaring and contact management. If Google offered
those things web-based, stuff would get really interesting.
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you might as well be having
the DTs.
> Perhaps you should just
> sit back and watch events as a social experiment.
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Complete integration would require an immense
effort to beef up and improve OOo's displays of web pages, which is at
present abysmal. But partial integration -- just using Gmail as the address
book, and the posting mechanism -- would probably be a whole lot easier.
Somone sould have put th
> everything else,
How? No one on this list has the power to insist on anything, or to retard
the development of OOo in any way. Do you really imagine that sun
developers look in here for ideas?
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p with a solution that integrated OOo with a first
class open source contacts manager and scheduler properly, this would be
praised as the most innovative step forward in the entire history of the
software industry by almost everyone on these lists, especially those who
most vocally despise Outlook.
end to diminish the gap between commercial and
free software and to relocate the important difference between -- though
I am no longer sure what that is.
I am trying to think about the question of where and under what
circumstances open sourcing stuff is a more efficient way to produce
softwa
o far as I know, Base was entirely
written by Sun employees -- at least they were the ones who folded an
existeing java database (hsqldb) into openoffice. I don't think pressure
from these mailing lists had anything much to do with it.
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ave done, unless I know -- and the liar
doesn't -- that I can prove he's lying.
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nd htmls mails, but I still
find it useful to use my normal word processor when writing long and
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>
You've persuaded me this is the right way to handle character stylings.
I'll put an issue in.
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s a mailing list. It
achieves nothing. It's recreational typing. If individuals want to
killfile him, that's fine, and probably a prerequisite for sanity. I have
a killfile of my own which works so well I have forgotten who is in it.
But announcing that he is to be expelled from it is
ace the
present sort. Both have advantages and disadvantages.And if we
do have both, there is potential for even more user confusion
than styles presently cause.
It does seem to me a prime example of the sort of thing which
could be written as an extension, and tested like that, by
intereste
o the format menu called "language"
which would lead to a submenu that offered all the languages for which
the user had dictionaries installed. The point is that this could all be
done by non-programmers, like me -- at least people who don't know any
C++ and couldn't begin to hack
e whole
> style hierarchy must be redone.
>
Sorry to keep banging on here, but I have demonstrated a way around this
problem and it is important.
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el for
representing languages in a hurry. In the meantime there are lots of
people who have problems with the present system. I offer a way around
some of those problems. It may be imperfect. But it may be better than
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ation error. This isn't Marco's first language. If
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language, you _are_ then changing the
charLocale of the selected text.
Try it. Write a macro that selects all the words in a particular language
-- whether or not they have been marked that way with a style. The only
way to do so is to iterate through the text looking for a particular
charLocale
ove a word at a time. Long-term development would make it a
drop-down box in a toolbar, but that is beyond my capacities. I only wanted
to show that macros could provide a way around these difficulties.
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if you don't mind Swedish instread of Greek :-)
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pt in a macro -- to say "inherit
from whatever the surrounding style is".
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>
You can, but you need a macro. See my other message.
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the other styles.
I know this won't work with RTF very well. So far as I know, nothing works
with RTF very well. I was just trying to suggest a possible way forwards.
Certainly, I wrote once a macro that simply marked selected text as Swedish
for exactly this reason. But I can't find
stand this will get us
nowhere.
> And your business, whatever it is, does not need
> any really complex document layout.
>
I write books, articles, and radio scripts. Nothing tremendously complex,
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> have such a strong commitment, as they have a much more limited focus).
>
Yes. Some people who use and improve Linux do care a lot about
interoperability. Some of the users -- who don't, in my limited
observation, improve it much -- think that all interoperability problems
would be
e good.
>
There's a horrible bug in v2, right now. It won't print or export to PDF.
Should be fixed quite soon.
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ndexing
software will use
> Microsoft only cares that you keep using their
> products and giving them your money; they really don't care whether or
> not you can use a competing product.
Of course. How is this supposed to be uniquely wicked? Do linux zealots
care whether anyone can us
been documented right from the
start of the development process, and it is the one thing that the
developers have delivered.
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from here and lots of people on these lists talk as if there wasn't even a
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es which
> have already been used in the doco.
>
This could surely be cludged around with an addin. I know and you know that
the underlying mechanism would still be styled, but no one else would :-)
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erests that users use OOo or
> even some "Brand X" Office suite.
>
A much larger part is our support for MS Office formats. Without that, OOo
would be completely usless to businesses.
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ative product, and one of the
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the best way to
> apply a bullet is shift+F12: whack, no mucking.
>
Doesn't seem to me quicker than tying a bulleted style to a different F key
combinaiton, and whacking that instead. Or even tying the style you want to
shift-F12. It's eay enough to have a macro that toggles bet
manual break -> page break, and then, if you choose a page style
from the drop-down list ([none] won't work) there is a check box to let you
set the starting page number of the run in that style.
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> support Ooo formats.
Yahoo desktop search supports v1 OOo format, and I find it more powerful
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> there are lots of python and java libraries which will interact with
> blogging tools like movable type, which is what I use
The technical problem is simply put: the language which makes it easiest to
fool with o
any blog. And I don't see
how that can be surmounted. It's another example of the failure of the open
source model to connect itchers with scratchers.
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It was one of the first things I did when starting OOo.
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on which anyone could charge
for all non-whitespace characters. What's the logic of charging for
punctuation but not spaces?
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easy to use interface for moving about in long, structured documents. Press
F5 and see what pops up.
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ed and installed. But I have to say I think YDS is a
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an get an up to date UK English
dictionary from here
http://en-gb.pyxidium.co.uk:32080/OOo/index.php
but the thesaurus seems to have been left in the obscurity of its native
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acquiring them would be a lot more
trouble than my present trick, which is a quick macro to autodeformat
posts, and then copying and pasting.
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to get the stuff in there in the
> first place.
>
> Have I just missed something in the documentation? or is this a major
> project just waiting to be started?
>
I think that what you want is probably here
http://www.thessalonica.org.ru/en/
If that doesn't help, I'm no
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>> Is there any equivalent in OOo? Any pointers, docs, etc. would be
>> greatly appreciated.
>>
More sefully:
http://oooauthors.org/en/authors/userguide2/writer/draft_pub/0213WG-
WorkingWithMasterDo
that you have to do a certain amount of preparation and make
the right choices when setting up the MD. But it sounds as if that would be
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and MSOXP.
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I don't know. I have Word 97 on this machine, and it reads everything I get
from the BBC, who are several versions more advanced.
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if not gottit then
msgbox("Failed to create Folder: bailing out")
exit sub
end if
fullname=foldername+"\written to " +towhom +" on "+datestring+".sxw"
if oUCB.Exists(convertToUrl(fullname
m the sig) which stores files in
different directories depending on the template that is used for them (and,
in the case of letters, the addressee). You could extend this n any way you
liked, but the basic technique is clear enough, I think.
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quicker to put the cursor in the footnonte and press up-arrow:
this will take you dfirect to the previous footnote, even if that is on an
earlier page.
Also, if you switch the view to "web layout", al your footnotes will be in
a clump at the end of the file.
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may well need their permission to sell it on to company Y.
To the exttent that open source stuff is like folk music, it is built in
that people will use it in ways which the originators would dislike. Someoe
may be at the moment counting words I think should not be published, using
my macro
my copyrights every day and I still
can't understand how a _joint_ copyright assignment can be unacceptable.
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