On 14 Aug 2013, at 21:37, Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it wrote:
Your desires need a good support of Operating System to
You know, if we need kernel or linker changes, the FreeBSD project is very
happy to add them. For example, I've recently been pondering how the VM
subsystem
On 9 Aug 2013, at 09:55, Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it wrote:
I put in our developer and people list a link to their respective blog. If I
missed somebody, please tell!
http://www.gnustep.org/developers/whoiswho.html
(David, you were completely missing, if you want a better
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:19:26 PM UTC-4, Gregory Casamento wrote:
Also, regarding the Dream of GNUstep if you could tell me what everyone
else is dreaming
it would be helpful. Obviously all of us on GNUstep are not dreaming the same
thing
everyone else seems to be.
I want a
Hi William,
your wants are far more than just some medium-term GNUstep goals. Your
desires need a good support of Operating System to. Your desires express,
at the end, stopping to be dependent of current proprietary applications
and operating systems because they stopped existence or they
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 2:49 AM, David Chisnall
david.chisn...@cl.cam.ac.uk wrote:
On 9 Aug 2013, at 16:42, Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote:
Bean runs beautifully on machines which came out with 10.4, but was dog-slow
on machines of the same era
I wonder if there are some
On 11 Aug 2013, at 09:54, Matt Rice ratm...@gmail.com wrote:
Likewise, a few ported apps have run into the case that NSMutableArray
usage optimized for OS X (linked list up to a certain size since
their implementation varies on array size) exhibits the pathological
behaviour under GNUstep (c
On 9 Aug 2013, at 16:42, Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote:
Bean runs beautifully on machines which came out with 10.4, but was dog-slow
on machines of the same era
I don't suppose you've profiled this? Our text system uses skiplists, which
are a data structure that made
As an end user I'd like to voice a couple of frustrations with the existing
desktops. Some of these arguments have been stated before but I hope they
will guide you guys in the future. Ok, so gnome version 2.x We had this
really nice lightweight GUI framework called GTK 2.x, you made a desktop
That screenshot looks great :) is it possible to get a menu spacer menu
item made? it helps to make the menus look a lot slicker. OSX has had it
since day one and there's a good mock up of Etoile showing how it would
benefit gnustep.
On 9 August 2013 15:56, Germán Arias germanandre...@gmail.com
The goals of GNUstep are quite clear. Our goal is to create an API which is
a clone of the latest version of Cocoa ...
Is this still a good goal to pursue, or should it be re-evaluated?
NeXTstep/OpenStep was a well and carefully-design API and operating
system/desktop environment. When I
On Friday, August 9, 2013 01:50 CEST, James Carthew jcart...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the biggest problem with gnustep is there's a lot of little
programs like talksoup, mpdcon and gsmplayer that are basically abandoned
I don't know where you got mpdcon from, but with GAP [1], we have over
On Friday, August 9, 2013 04:00 CEST, Austin Clow dr_c...@mac.com wrote:
What would be great if is I could get GNUstep to just install on FreeBSD
following the instructions that are posted on the website.
Here: http://www.gnustep.org/resources/sources.html
FreeBSD
cd
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Gregory Casamento
greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote:
...
The goals of GNUstep are quite clear. Our goal is to create an API which is
a clone of the latest version of Cocoa and to provide the best development
environment on as many operating systems as we
I don't think that gnustep should be aiming to reimplement the entirety of
OSX/cocoa. I think that it should aim for certain core technologies which
are worth copying. That said, the video pipelining of OSX is definately
worth copying. The fact that with a few quartz composer compositions and
some
On 2013-08-09 00:06:18 -0600 James Carthew jcart...@gmail.com wrote:
That screenshot looks great :) is it possible to get a menu spacer menu
item made? it helps to make the menus look a lot slicker. OSX has had it
since day one and there's a good mock up of Etoile showing how it would
benefit
Would it be possible to produce a GnuStep-based desktop/distribution with a set
of apps (as per my previous mails, and others'), very small, but all robust and
well-built, and co-operating between themselves as API-based interchangeable
components (e.g. Mail.app and AddressBook.app with
Gregory Casamento
greg.casame...@gmail.com
Open Logic Corporation, President/CEO
GNUstep Lead Developer
On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:10 AM, Dr Slivnik Tomaž MA (Cantab) MMath (Cantab) PhD
(Cantab) FTICA sliv...@tomaz.name wrote:
The goals of GNUstep are quite clear. Our goal is to create an API
MAC-locked builds -- that is, DRM -- are an anathema to free software and the
project itself and FSF would not stand behind it.
Getting donations, selling SD cards or even charging for downloads is not, as
long as the end product is not DRMed.
(Not that I think charging for downloads would be
On 9 Aug 2013, at 03:00, Austin Clow dr_c...@mac.com wrote:
Here: http://www.gnustep.org/resources/sources.html
FreeBSD
cd /usr/ports/devel/gnustep
make install clean
I completely agree that this should work. I am currently in the process of
updating the GNUstep ports in FreeBSD. I've got
Hi,
James Carthew wrote:
I think the biggest problem with gnustep is there's a lot of little
programs like talksoup, mpdcon and gsmplayer that are basically
abandoned or won't compile properly. It would be nice if these could
be gathered up and tested with gnustep to ensure they compile. I've
I have a feeling I know which bug you're talking about. There was a PPC bug
which allowed a very short program to freeze the system due to a processor
bug which caused the CPU to enter supervisor mode, but I could be mistaken.
This bug as I recall was not something that could be trapped
Hi,
Gregory Casamento wrote:
@bheron I also think a nice getting started would help. Jumping into
wiki pages can be a bit daunting. Just a 0 to hello world.
Agreed, but I also think that wiki is important and a mean to have more
live content. But some stuff needs to be on the webpage.
A lot
maybe the world has changed in favour for Web UI instead of Desktop UI?
For newcomers spending educational time on building Web Apps makes more sense
than digging into NSView.
Those who really want to build Desktop Applications will head for Mac OS X as
the real thing anyway. From what I saw at
Hi,
Austin Clow wrote:
What would be great if is I could get GNUstep to just install on
FreeBSD following the instructions that are posted on the website.
Here: http://www.gnustep.org/resources/sources.html
FreeBSD
cd /usr/ports/devel/gnustep
make install clean
Has never worked for me, it
Am Fri, 09 Aug 2013 10:55:18 +0200
schrieb Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it :
http://www.gnustep.org/developers/whoiswho.html
good point.
seat-1, that's us; we changed our name to IntarS Unternehmenssoftware GmbH
some time ago. The URL is old and will be switched off.
IntarS -
Hi,
Gregory Casamento wrote:
Also, regarding the Dream of GNUstep if you could tell me what
everyone else is dreaming it would be helpful. Obviously all of us on
GNUstep are not dreaming the same thing everyone else seems to be.
I realize this question sounds sarcastic, but I'm being
Am 09.08.2013 um 10:55 schrieb Riccardo Mottola:
I put in our developer and people list a link to their respective blog. If I
missed somebody, please tell!
http://www.gnustep.org/developers/whoiswho.html
(David, you were completely missing, if you want a better description and
want a
Hi,
Austin Clow wrote:
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I like using GNUstep because it feels like NeXTSTEP/OpenSTEP, so I
want to see GNUstep as an actual desktop. Not as something that runs
on top of another desktop. I feel like that should be the primary
focus, and then all the hooks for
On 9 Aug 2013, at 09:56, Pirmin Braun p...@intars.de wrote:
I think, adding a GNUStep Framework to build fancy, industrial-strength, high
performance/small footprint Web Apps in no time would boost interest. Once
there was WebObjects. Now there is IntarS and I'd be happy to contribute.
Hi,
Dr Slivnik Tomaž MA (Cantab) MMath (Cantab) PhD (Cantab) FTICA wrote:
I use 10.6. I know what 10.7 and 10.8 are like and I will never upgrade. I
think they are a load of rubbish. I tolerate Mac OS X because it has been the
most compatible current O.S. to NeXTstep, but in my view in each
Hi,
Gregory Casamento wrote:
I've been developing on GNUstep for many years and it's never been a
matter of editing a configuration file in order to get anything to work.
I develop on GNUstep for just a little less than you, but perhaps
touched more platforms with it (although you used to run
If you guys can get auto-building working on linux, I'd be tempted to setup
a 12-core Mac pro to create daily builds of the entire gnustep APIs and
related applications (that I can get my hands on). I'm about to acquire one
of those towers cheaply.
On 9 August 2013 18:21, David Chisnall
Hi,
if you need marketing, just make OS X, Cocoa, Foundation and Core
Foundation (and later Core Graphics, I hope) implementations in GNUstep
the main topic of the home page.
Honestly, with all the Linux/Unix desktop environments in the world, few
people outside of GNUstep care about GWorkspace
On 9 Aug 2013, at 09:56, Pirmin Braun wrote:
maybe the world has changed in favour for Web UI instead of Desktop UI?
I think the world has moved on from Web UI to mobile and wearable device apps.
Controlled by keyboards consisting of a few large buttons, voice, or one's
emotions and eye
Active marketing would be pushing news like Our AppKit is now compatible
with OS X 10.x to sites like Phoronix.
True, but unless you can say x=8 (or indeed, when available (now?), 9 Developer
Preview) I don't think many will care.
___
On 9 Aug 2013, at 14:06, Dr Slivnik Tomaž MA (Cantab) MMath (Cantab) PhD
(Cantab) FTICA sliv...@tomaz.name wrote:
Active marketing would be pushing news like Our AppKit is now compatible
with OS X 10.x to sites like Phoronix.
True, but unless you can say x=8 (or indeed, when available
Am Fri, 9 Aug 2013 13:31:09 +0100
schrieb Dr Slivnik Tomaž MA (Cantab) MMath (Cantab) PhD (Cantab) FTICA
sliv...@tomaz.name :
I think the world has moved on from Web UI to mobile and wearable device
apps.
even mobile device apps are are built more and more as Web Apps and no longer
as iOS
Hi,
James Carthew wrote:
The rest of it, the eyecandy isn't really necessary. A lot of the
eyecandy in OSX can be done by compiz, or similar window
Thanks for this :)
Driver code for the moment does not compete to GNUstep, but to the OS it
is hosted on.
If you'd like a comprehensive list of
On 9/08/13 2:00 PM, Austin Clow wrote:
What would be great if is I could get GNUstep to just install on
FreeBSD following the instructions that are posted on the website.
Here: http://www.gnustep.org/resources/sources.html
FreeBSD
cd /usr/ports/devel/gnustep
make install clean
Austin,
I have
Hi,
Gregory Casamento wrote:
That is being done in the gap project at http://gap.nongnu.org. Check
it out.
Also, GNUstep has very good theming support. So it's possible to make
it look completely different than the classic look. The problem, yet
again, is manpower. It's difficult to
Hi,
Dr Slivnik Tomaž MA (Cantab) MMath (Cantab) PhD (Cantab) FTICA wrote:
Would it be possible to produce a GnuStep-based desktop/distribution with a set of apps
(as per my previous mails, and others'), very small, but all robust and well-built, and
co-operating between themselves as
On 8 August 2013 23:24, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
lars.sonchocky-helld...@hamburg.de wrote:
We definitely need to do something about our public reception.
As a friend of mine said on Twitter:
In a sane universe GNUstep would be the default Linux desktop.
Hi,
Pirmin Braun wrote:
maybe the world has changed in favour for Web UI instead of Desktop UI?
As a hype yes. As real usage, I don't know.
For newcomers spending educational time on building Web Apps makes more sense
than digging into NSView.
Those who really want to build Desktop
Hi,
David Chisnall wrote:
I don't think 100% compatibility with OS X 10.8 is nearly as relevant as 'look,
runs this application on *NIX which only runs on OS X =10.7'. No one cares if
we've implemented 100% of all of the 10.8 Cocoa APIs, they care about the
particular subset that their
Until we can have a GNUstep distribution, how about providing
VirtualBox/VMWare images of some Linux and ***BSD system with pre-installed
GNUstep, clang, libobjc2 and some applications?
I know for one myself who had lots of trouble installing GNUstep would use
this.
I will also update my blog
On 9 Aug 2013, at 15:25, Lundberg, Johannes johan...@brilliantservice.co.jp
wrote:
Until we can have a GNUstep distribution, how about providing
VirtualBox/VMWare images of some Linux and ***BSD system with pre-installed
GNUstep, clang, libobjc2 and some applications?
The FreeBSD
On the subject of Bean...
One of the things Bean did do was to show us how slow our text handling is.
Bean runs beautifully on machines which came out with 10.4, but was
dog-slow on machines of the same era. Now it doesn't matter since we have
these 8-core 32GB monstrosities (like the machine
Correction... it was dog-slow on machines of the same-era under GNUstep.
it was usable, but much slower than the PPC.
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com
wrote:
On the subject of Bean...
One of the things Bean did do was to show us how slow our text
On 9 Aug 2013, at 15:25, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
Until we can have a GNUstep distribution, how about providing
VirtualBox/VMWare images of some Linux and ***BSD system with pre-installed
GNUstep, clang, libobjc2 and some applications?
Great idea, I'm all for it.
Nikolaus!
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 09.08.2013 um 10:55 schrieb Riccardo Mottola:
I put in our developer and people list a link to their respective blog. If I
missed somebody, please tell!
http://www.gnustep.org/developers/whoiswho.html
(David, you were completely missing, if you
Hi,
Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
Until we can have a GNUstep distribution, how about providing
VirtualBox/VMWare images of some Linux and ***BSD system with
pre-installed GNUstep, clang, libobjc2 and some applications?
I know for one myself who had lots of trouble installing GNUstep would
Dne 9. srpna 2013 20:36:34 Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it
napsal:
Nikolaus!
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 09.08.2013 um 10:55 schrieb Riccardo Mottola:
I put in our developer and people list a link to their respective blog.
If I missed somebody, please tell!
The comment is typical of those I see on a daily basis on twitter...
He began by saying the site makes the project look abandoned. I asked what
he thought could be improved... his responses are below.
---
Keith Smiley @bheron I’d love to help with this if there’s something that
needs it.
Ooops... I thought you were referring to the article on ars. The other
one does say what you mentioned. :(
Greg
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Gregory Casamento
greg.casame...@gmail.comwrote:
I just read the article in English. I believe he removed the claim that
GNUstep is not
I just read the article in English. I believe he removed the claim that
GNUstep is not maintained because I don't see it in that version of the
article. Still, we must get our website redesigned and updated so it gives
a better impression.
On Thursday, August 8, 2013, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
I think the biggest problem with gnustep is there's a lot of little
programs like talksoup, mpdcon and gsmplayer that are basically abandoned
or won't compile properly. It would be nice if these could be gathered up
and tested with gnustep to ensure they compile. I've been trying to follow
the
What would be great if is I could get GNUstep to just install on FreeBSD
following the instructions that are posted on the website.
Here: http://www.gnustep.org/resources/sources.html
FreeBSD
cd /usr/ports/devel/gnustep
make install clean
Has never worked for me, it also suggested to me the
Austin,
Would a script that downloads and installs all of the dependencies help any
at all? There really aren't that many. Typically getting it to work is
simply a matter of installing all of the dependencies and building from
source.
I've been developing on GNUstep for many years and it's
Also, regarding the Dream of GNUstep if you could tell me what everyone
else is dreaming it would be helpful. Obviously all of us on GNUstep are
not dreaming the same thing everyone else seems to be.
I realize this question sounds sarcastic, but I'm being serious. I very
much want to know what
That is being done in the gap project at http://gap.nongnu.org. Check it
out.
Also, GNUstep has very good theming support. So it's possible to make it
look completely different than the classic look. The problem, yet again,
is manpower. It's difficult to find the people who are willing to
SORRY I FORGOT TO REPLY TO ALL
I like using GNUstep because it feels like NeXTSTEP/OpenSTEP, so I want to see
GNUstep as an actual desktop. Not as something that runs on top of another
desktop. I feel like that should be the primary focus, and then all the hooks
for running on top of Windows,
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YES. A script would be lovely. When I do it manually, I mess up, I forget to
get some dependency installed corruptly, or it fails for what ever reason. And
then I end up with a piece of junk. When I get it all to work, I literally
forget how I got it that way.
On 2013-08-08 20:57:54 -0600 Austin Clow dr_c...@mac.com wrote:
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YES. A script would be lovely. When I do it manually, I mess up, I forget to
get some dependency installed corruptly, or it fails for what ever reason.
And then I end up with a piece of junk.
Can we get these packages also built for SID? I think sid and the latest
stable debian should be targeted. Since sid is the bleeding edge of Debian
(in other words it's basically 6 months stale anyway.) I know they still
have version 1.19 of MPDCon.app when the current version is 1.4. Hardly
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