That screenshot looks great :) is it possible to get a menu spacer menu
item made? it helps to make the menus look a lot slicker. OSX has had it
since day one and there's a good mock up of Etoile showing how it would
benefit gnustep.
On 9 August 2013 15:56, Germán Arias germanandre...@gmail.com
The goals of GNUstep are quite clear. Our goal is to create an API which is
a clone of the latest version of Cocoa ...
Is this still a good goal to pursue, or should it be re-evaluated?
NeXTstep/OpenStep was a well and carefully-design API and operating
system/desktop environment. When I
On Friday, August 9, 2013 01:50 CEST, James Carthew jcart...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the biggest problem with gnustep is there's a lot of little
programs like talksoup, mpdcon and gsmplayer that are basically abandoned
I don't know where you got mpdcon from, but with GAP [1], we have over
On Friday, August 9, 2013 04:00 CEST, Austin Clow dr_c...@mac.com wrote:
What would be great if is I could get GNUstep to just install on FreeBSD
following the instructions that are posted on the website.
Here: http://www.gnustep.org/resources/sources.html
FreeBSD
cd
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Gregory Casamento
greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote:
...
The goals of GNUstep are quite clear. Our goal is to create an API which is
a clone of the latest version of Cocoa and to provide the best development
environment on as many operating systems as we
I don't think that gnustep should be aiming to reimplement the entirety of
OSX/cocoa. I think that it should aim for certain core technologies which
are worth copying. That said, the video pipelining of OSX is definately
worth copying. The fact that with a few quartz composer compositions and
some
On 2013-08-09 00:06:18 -0600 James Carthew jcart...@gmail.com wrote:
That screenshot looks great :) is it possible to get a menu spacer menu
item made? it helps to make the menus look a lot slicker. OSX has had it
since day one and there's a good mock up of Etoile showing how it would
benefit
Would it be possible to produce a GnuStep-based desktop/distribution with a set
of apps (as per my previous mails, and others'), very small, but all robust and
well-built, and co-operating between themselves as API-based interchangeable
components (e.g. Mail.app and AddressBook.app with
Gregory Casamento
greg.casame...@gmail.com
Open Logic Corporation, President/CEO
GNUstep Lead Developer
On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:10 AM, Dr Slivnik Tomaž MA (Cantab) MMath (Cantab) PhD
(Cantab) FTICA sliv...@tomaz.name wrote:
The goals of GNUstep are quite clear. Our goal is to create an API
MAC-locked builds -- that is, DRM -- are an anathema to free software and the
project itself and FSF would not stand behind it.
Getting donations, selling SD cards or even charging for downloads is not, as
long as the end product is not DRMed.
(Not that I think charging for downloads would be
On 9 Aug 2013, at 03:00, Austin Clow dr_c...@mac.com wrote:
Here: http://www.gnustep.org/resources/sources.html
FreeBSD
cd /usr/ports/devel/gnustep
make install clean
I completely agree that this should work. I am currently in the process of
updating the GNUstep ports in FreeBSD. I've got
If you have time to look at libobjc2 under Windows, I'd be grateful for someone
with Windows dev experience to take a look. There's some basic support there,
but it's not really very good, and I don't think it will actually build on
Windows. I can provide advice, but don't have a Windows
Hi,
Ivan Vučica wrote:
Hello all,
I'm trying to build GNUstep Base under Cygwin. So far, I've done the
following
I attempted to get GS working on cygwin several times. This would have
quite some advantages: cygwin is ubiquitous, also, and this would be the
main advantage, you can use both
Hi,
James Carthew wrote:
I think the biggest problem with gnustep is there's a lot of little
programs like talksoup, mpdcon and gsmplayer that are basically
abandoned or won't compile properly. It would be nice if these could
be gathered up and tested with gnustep to ensure they compile. I've
I have a feeling I know which bug you're talking about. There was a PPC bug
which allowed a very short program to freeze the system due to a processor
bug which caused the CPU to enter supervisor mode, but I could be mistaken.
This bug as I recall was not something that could be trapped
Hi,
Gregory Casamento wrote:
@bheron I also think a nice getting started would help. Jumping into
wiki pages can be a bit daunting. Just a 0 to hello world.
Agreed, but I also think that wiki is important and a mean to have more
live content. But some stuff needs to be on the webpage.
A lot
maybe the world has changed in favour for Web UI instead of Desktop UI?
For newcomers spending educational time on building Web Apps makes more sense
than digging into NSView.
Those who really want to build Desktop Applications will head for Mac OS X as
the real thing anyway. From what I saw at
Hi,
Austin Clow wrote:
What would be great if is I could get GNUstep to just install on
FreeBSD following the instructions that are posted on the website.
Here: http://www.gnustep.org/resources/sources.html
FreeBSD
cd /usr/ports/devel/gnustep
make install clean
Has never worked for me, it
Am Fri, 09 Aug 2013 10:55:18 +0200
schrieb Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it :
http://www.gnustep.org/developers/whoiswho.html
good point.
seat-1, that's us; we changed our name to IntarS Unternehmenssoftware GmbH
some time ago. The URL is old and will be switched off.
IntarS -
Hi,
Gregory Casamento wrote:
Also, regarding the Dream of GNUstep if you could tell me what
everyone else is dreaming it would be helpful. Obviously all of us on
GNUstep are not dreaming the same thing everyone else seems to be.
I realize this question sounds sarcastic, but I'm being
Am 09.08.2013 um 10:55 schrieb Riccardo Mottola:
I put in our developer and people list a link to their respective blog. If I
missed somebody, please tell!
http://www.gnustep.org/developers/whoiswho.html
(David, you were completely missing, if you want a better description and
want a
Hi,
Austin Clow wrote:
SORRY I FORGOT TO REPLY TO ALL
I like using GNUstep because it feels like NeXTSTEP/OpenSTEP, so I
want to see GNUstep as an actual desktop. Not as something that runs
on top of another desktop. I feel like that should be the primary
focus, and then all the hooks for
On 9 Aug 2013, at 09:56, Pirmin Braun p...@intars.de wrote:
I think, adding a GNUStep Framework to build fancy, industrial-strength, high
performance/small footprint Web Apps in no time would boost interest. Once
there was WebObjects. Now there is IntarS and I'd be happy to contribute.
Hi,
Dr Slivnik Tomaž MA (Cantab) MMath (Cantab) PhD (Cantab) FTICA wrote:
I use 10.6. I know what 10.7 and 10.8 are like and I will never upgrade. I
think they are a load of rubbish. I tolerate Mac OS X because it has been the
most compatible current O.S. to NeXTstep, but in my view in each
Hi,
Gregory Casamento wrote:
I've been developing on GNUstep for many years and it's never been a
matter of editing a configuration file in order to get anything to work.
I develop on GNUstep for just a little less than you, but perhaps
touched more platforms with it (although you used to run
If you guys can get auto-building working on linux, I'd be tempted to setup
a 12-core Mac pro to create daily builds of the entire gnustep APIs and
related applications (that I can get my hands on). I'm about to acquire one
of those towers cheaply.
On 9 August 2013 18:21, David Chisnall
Hi,
if you need marketing, just make OS X, Cocoa, Foundation and Core
Foundation (and later Core Graphics, I hope) implementations in GNUstep
the main topic of the home page.
Honestly, with all the Linux/Unix desktop environments in the world, few
people outside of GNUstep care about GWorkspace
On 9 Aug 2013, at 09:56, Pirmin Braun wrote:
maybe the world has changed in favour for Web UI instead of Desktop UI?
I think the world has moved on from Web UI to mobile and wearable device apps.
Controlled by keyboards consisting of a few large buttons, voice, or one's
emotions and eye
Active marketing would be pushing news like Our AppKit is now compatible
with OS X 10.x to sites like Phoronix.
True, but unless you can say x=8 (or indeed, when available (now?), 9 Developer
Preview) I don't think many will care.
___
On 9 Aug 2013, at 14:06, Dr Slivnik Tomaž MA (Cantab) MMath (Cantab) PhD
(Cantab) FTICA sliv...@tomaz.name wrote:
Active marketing would be pushing news like Our AppKit is now compatible
with OS X 10.x to sites like Phoronix.
True, but unless you can say x=8 (or indeed, when available
Am Fri, 9 Aug 2013 13:31:09 +0100
schrieb Dr Slivnik Tomaž MA (Cantab) MMath (Cantab) PhD (Cantab) FTICA
sliv...@tomaz.name :
I think the world has moved on from Web UI to mobile and wearable device
apps.
even mobile device apps are are built more and more as Web Apps and no longer
as iOS
Hi,
James Carthew wrote:
The rest of it, the eyecandy isn't really necessary. A lot of the
eyecandy in OSX can be done by compiz, or similar window
Thanks for this :)
Driver code for the moment does not compete to GNUstep, but to the OS it
is hosted on.
If you'd like a comprehensive list of
On 9/08/13 2:00 PM, Austin Clow wrote:
What would be great if is I could get GNUstep to just install on
FreeBSD following the instructions that are posted on the website.
Here: http://www.gnustep.org/resources/sources.html
FreeBSD
cd /usr/ports/devel/gnustep
make install clean
Austin,
I have
Hi,
Gregory Casamento wrote:
That is being done in the gap project at http://gap.nongnu.org. Check
it out.
Also, GNUstep has very good theming support. So it's possible to make
it look completely different than the classic look. The problem, yet
again, is manpower. It's difficult to
Hi,
Dr Slivnik Tomaž MA (Cantab) MMath (Cantab) PhD (Cantab) FTICA wrote:
Would it be possible to produce a GnuStep-based desktop/distribution with a set of apps
(as per my previous mails, and others'), very small, but all robust and well-built, and
co-operating between themselves as
On 8 August 2013 23:24, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
lars.sonchocky-helld...@hamburg.de wrote:
We definitely need to do something about our public reception.
As a friend of mine said on Twitter:
In a sane universe GNUstep would be the default Linux desktop.
Hi,
Pirmin Braun wrote:
maybe the world has changed in favour for Web UI instead of Desktop UI?
As a hype yes. As real usage, I don't know.
For newcomers spending educational time on building Web Apps makes more sense
than digging into NSView.
Those who really want to build Desktop
Hi,
David Chisnall wrote:
I don't think 100% compatibility with OS X 10.8 is nearly as relevant as 'look,
runs this application on *NIX which only runs on OS X =10.7'. No one cares if
we've implemented 100% of all of the 10.8 Cocoa APIs, they care about the
particular subset that their
Until we can have a GNUstep distribution, how about providing
VirtualBox/VMWare images of some Linux and ***BSD system with pre-installed
GNUstep, clang, libobjc2 and some applications?
I know for one myself who had lots of trouble installing GNUstep would use
this.
I will also update my blog
On 9 Aug 2013, at 15:25, Lundberg, Johannes johan...@brilliantservice.co.jp
wrote:
Until we can have a GNUstep distribution, how about providing
VirtualBox/VMWare images of some Linux and ***BSD system with pre-installed
GNUstep, clang, libobjc2 and some applications?
The FreeBSD
On the subject of Bean...
One of the things Bean did do was to show us how slow our text handling is.
Bean runs beautifully on machines which came out with 10.4, but was
dog-slow on machines of the same era. Now it doesn't matter since we have
these 8-core 32GB monstrosities (like the machine
Correction... it was dog-slow on machines of the same-era under GNUstep.
it was usable, but much slower than the PPC.
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com
wrote:
On the subject of Bean...
One of the things Bean did do was to show us how slow our text
On 9 Aug 2013, at 15:25, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
Until we can have a GNUstep distribution, how about providing
VirtualBox/VMWare images of some Linux and ***BSD system with pre-installed
GNUstep, clang, libobjc2 and some applications?
Great idea, I'm all for it.
Hi Philippe,
I just tested these a bit on a fresh Debian Sid install.
They worked great, I was able to build and run the test suite of a framework
I'm working on for Étoilé.
Thanks for putting it together.
Eric
On 2013-08-04, at 8:08 AM, Philippe Roussel p.o.rous...@free.fr wrote:
Hi all,
Nikolaus!
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 09.08.2013 um 10:55 schrieb Riccardo Mottola:
I put in our developer and people list a link to their respective blog. If I
missed somebody, please tell!
http://www.gnustep.org/developers/whoiswho.html
(David, you were completely missing, if you
Hi,
Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
Until we can have a GNUstep distribution, how about providing
VirtualBox/VMWare images of some Linux and ***BSD system with
pre-installed GNUstep, clang, libobjc2 and some applications?
I know for one myself who had lots of trouble installing GNUstep would
Il giorno 08/ago/2013, alle ore 17:45, Riccardo Mottola
riccardo.mott...@libero.it ha scritto:
But I suppose the rest of the environment you are getting is equivalently
outdated.
Thank you for the answer. In fact At work I am using almost only GS software
from ununtu 'precise' official
Dne 9. srpna 2013 20:36:34 Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it
napsal:
Nikolaus!
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 09.08.2013 um 10:55 schrieb Riccardo Mottola:
I put in our developer and people list a link to their respective blog.
If I missed somebody, please tell!
I just wanted to try writing code with a different editor (I usually use
emacs), this is why I asked my question.
Michele
Try Gemas:
http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Gemas.app
Or get it from repository (has new features):
http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnustep-nonfsf/
I will make a new
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