to produce a Window Maker-
and GNUstep-based Ubuntu remix, at all? I am collating the tools but I
am not very experienced in this area...
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Hi,
On 05/08/13 17:32, Liam Proven wrote:
This may be a silly question - forgive me if so.
Is there a current GNUstep-based distribution, at all?
An official, up-to-date, GNUstep only distro doesn't exist.
I thought
I just noticed that I inadvertently replied offlist - sorry...
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This may be a silly question - forgive me if so.
Is there a current
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wrote:
On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 17:32 CEST, Liam Proven lpro
On 8 May 2013 21:53, Dan Hitt dan.h...@gmail.com wrote:
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.
Is there a current GNUstep-based distribution, at all?
... many interesting and valid points omitted
The closest seems to be the Étoilé project
and
will spin up a SUSE VM to give it a try.
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odd that, in a desktop with a Dock included, you
made all the app launchers desktop icons - that's one of the things
the Dock is for, isn't it? :¬)
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Hi,
Am 08.05.2013 um 17:32 schrieb Liam Proven:
This may be a silly question - forgive me if so.
Is there a current GNUstep-based distribution, at all?
There is also the QuantumSTEP project. It is sort of a twin
On 10 May 2013 14:19, Ivan Vučica ivuc...@gmail.com wrote:
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I also installed Firefox -- guessing the package name -- to copy
paste your login script, as I did not want to retype the whole thing.
There are no VirtualBox guest
.
In my OpenBSD install, following his instructions, I had the problems
I describe. That is *all* I was talking about.
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Hi Liam,
On 05/10/13 14:20, Liam Proven wrote:
The VM runs rather nicely under VMware, but unfortunately, I can't
`sudo` (don't know the root password) and so I can't install the
VMware guest additions, meaning that I
to...?
Was there a root message on another list or something? If there is a
repository of Debian/*buntu packages out there, I would really like to
know.
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not attract much
support.
It might be easier to put a new, GNUstep-based front end onto the
Inkscape code than either write a new program or attempt to finish a
very incomplete, formerly-proprietary one.
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what I use on my PC under Linux and Windows, as well.
I just use xmodmap to remap CapsLock as Super, then I can use Unity
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major
Linux desktops. It is a massive pain.
Alt is for menu access and formatting.
Ctrl is for commands on PCs.
Macs make things awkward by having Cmd as well as Ctrl but also using
Ctrl for Unix stuff.
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of the
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I've looked at Etoile
Has there ever been a public release, demo, beta or anything of Etoilé?
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4½ years old?
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body is alive, you are dead.
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approval at one of my companies for
that, at the start of development of a new product.
Sadly, we are still on version 1.0 at the moment - 1.0.55 right now, I
think, but we've not got to 1.1 yet.
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. It is a bad plan.
As the launch announcement for OSv said today:
These days, credibility == open source
Not open source? Not credible.
You're not Free.
This will mean lots of potential parties will not be interested, no
matter how cool the product.
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complex. Non-commercial use - free,
commercial use - pay. Things have to be simple.
I agree.
Also, something simple and clear like this is *FAR* preferable to
trying to introduce a new licence.
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.
This.
I agree with all the rest of the message too, but this is for me the key point.
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of restrained greys and
blacks is one of the most distinctive, smart, elegantly restrained
looks in the entire world of GUIs on any and all computers. I think
we'd be mad to throw it away.
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, attract new users
I think it would (if I understand you correctly).
and I have no
doubt that you will soon have plenty of new themes.
Oh dear. Let's hope not.
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, and I never kept any of
them for long.)
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It is a particularly silly visual effect which will, I suspect, mean
that the site is inaccessible to people using screenreaders and some
low-end browsers.
Is this any better?
http://heronsperch.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/gnustep-mythbusting.html?view=classic
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work and I never
got my sound card working. Ubuntu took 90min. In my fairly extensive
experience, this can be regarded as typical.
If anyone would like to help me try to assemble a GNUstep-based Ubuntu
Precise remix, I would welcome it.
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On 27 September 2013 16:21, Xavier Brochard xav...@alternatif.org wrote:
I mean like others do : release a set of tarball files and a few
instructions
it working, so I have
something to show people... :-)
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not just me.
OK, silly question. Window Maker one, really, not GNUstep.
Whenever I have tried the themes in the past -- and not liked any of
them -- I could not find how to turn them off again. In other words,
to go back.
Is this possible? Can you go back?
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there are packages already available. You can't
install Philippe's packages on the HURD - they are Debian packages.
You say that you do not use C so I would not even suggest trying to
build from source. Pick a modern, working, supported Unix and use
that. Not the HURD.
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) they are just excdingly old. They do not track releases, minor
releases, nothing.
Has anyone tried pointing the Debian package managers at Philippe's
packages, or a fresher source?
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On 29 November 2013 23:46, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm currently building a clean Raring (13.04) Server VM to try again.
Aieee! I built a 32-bit VM and there are only 64-bit packages for Raring! _
I really should have checked first. I'll have to start over a 3rd time. :-(
I'm
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Aieee! I built a 32-bit VM and there are only 64-bit packages for Raring! _
I really should have checked first. I'll have to start over a 3rd time. :-(
I'm not going to bother with Quantal - as far as I know, it is now out
and $LATEST-LTS.
For example, I would suggest that you drop Quantal and Raring and only
offer Precise and Saucy now.
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seen, and GS is completely below the radar, and nobody involved even
seems to notice that this is a problem.
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evaluates and judges and compares
OSes, desktops and Linux packages for a living.
When I say GNUstep is badly lacking, a useful response is not well go
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And if you want users and developers, you have to get out there and
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by the excellent ErgoEmacs, but I find Aquamacs to be by
far the most usable Emacs that exists.
http://aquamacs.org/about.shtml
http://ergoemacs.org/
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to get it to ready-for-prime-time.
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a GNUstep-branded Google Search page as the
homepage, it would bring in a little revenue for the GNUstep project,
as well. :¬)
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I see that Ivan Vučica has made some Ubuntu packages of the core
system, but Philippe, are you still building your Ubuntu/Debian
GNUstep packages as well? I see no updates for a long time -- about a
year ago. :¬(
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I am sorry to hear that, and I for one am definitely interested!
I would suggest that you only support the latest LTS release, though,
to cut the workload a little.
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Ubuntu remix if
we're going to attract any serious interest to the product, but it
seems to me that the community don't really use it as a desktop and
aren't interested in that role for it.
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y never seen anything
but Windows before, it is not a viable option.
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Linux versus any BSD. All the BSDs together have
orders of magnitude fewer users than Linux, and most of those on
servers.
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. That's all.
I strongly dispute the "easy or easier to maintain" part, but
otherwise, sure, yes, that is great stuff and a good thing.
But GNUstep needs to provide binaries for the industry-leading
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Debian/Ubuntu or even Linux at all, more users and more developers
would be good for the project.
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C
* (On classic hardware) Full-screen windows can be in different
graphics modes to one another; dragging a window down reveals a
different-resolution display.
* (In modern versions) A dock-like app launcher, typically along the
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offer useful insight. Not before.
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On 28 February 2016 at 19:42, Doc O'Leary
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> For your reference, records indicate that
> Liam Proven <lpro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 26 February 2016 at 01:02, Svetlana A. Tkachenko
>> <svetl...@members.fsf.org&g
y OS.
That -- that's /insane/. I mean, who would ever do that? Notepad++ is
a decent editor but nothing special. If you really wanted and you are
deeply opposed to proprietary OSes, you could run it under WINE, I
guess. But installing and trying to use an unfinished research OS for
one Windows ap
u don't seem to really grasp
how open-source development works. You need to learn to fit in with
how things are done or all your publicity and energy will be futile
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don't use VMware, though -- only VirtualBox. So, sadly, useless to
me and anyone who strongly prefers FOSS tools.
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at I was unable to remember the name, and
thanks for supplying it.
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to be trying to
upset me with personal vitriolic attacks.
He is failing, but list members of a more sensitive disposition should
be warned, and I felt that the list moderators should know about this.
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is
> *very* poor.
Interesting. I had read this, but tried both ordinary and Hackintosh
editions and could not get it to install.
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eers!
>
> -Steven
I might be and would be delighted to meet any listmembers. :-)
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install GNUstep and my application,
> would this be guaranteed to be working?
You really should not hijack someone else's thread.
Start a new one with its own subject line.
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I have never previously noticed this page:
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianGNUstep
I just tried it. It worked.
But it's GWorkspace 0.8.8 from 06/2010.
IOW Debian is still including an ancient version of GNUstep.
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s using GNUstep, or cross-platform apps.
As it is, the project is very obscure and most people I talk to in the
FOSS community have never heard of it. Those who have think it is long
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hing to show people, and the obvious
candidate, ISTM, is to show working code. And the way to show working
code is to show an installable distro that you can use for your whole
computing life, with a whole set of apps.
And, just like macOS, as an _optional install_ for the 1% of users who
also
http://www.osnews.com/story/29939/GNUSTEP_live_CD_2_5_released
Also, there's a new release of GNUstep Live! :-)
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Ustep style
menus & icon and so on instead.
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On 31 July 2017 at 21:20, Riccardo Mottola <riccardo.mott...@libero.it> wrote:
> Hi Liam,
>
>
> you actually sum up several of GNUstep's goal, but at the same time, the
> issues to show it of..
Er, good? :-)
> On 31/07/2017 15:56, Liam Proven wrote:
>>
>> The
vascript, so it's
very limited on the modern web.
However isn't WebKit FOSS and specifically designed for macOS?
https://webkit.org/
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ed and disregarded for good
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w. It is part of what makes it distinctive.
However, a more conventional & widely-available menu-accelerator key
would be a good thing. Either the PC-style Alt for menus, Ctrl for
actions (e.g. Alt-F for File, Ctrl-O for open) or a Mac-style Super
key (Super-O = open, Super-X = cut, etc.)
-
tro, such as OpenSUSE?
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indow and getting the menu of a /different app/ would
be wildly confusing, IMHO. It seems like a disastrous idea to me.
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itely understand the problem. I'll do all my best to find a
> solution.
Well, good.
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you may need to tick the box that allows "less secure
clients". (Amusingly, this includes collection from a different Gmail
account over POP3!)
Check with a different client to ensure it's not a server-side problem.
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Will any GNUstep people be at FOSdem? Prime material for a
presentation, I think...
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 at 10:23, wrote:
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> i want to be removed from this mailig list with all adresses of the domain
> txt.de. Can you help, please?
[1] Don't hijack someone else's thread. That is bad manners.
[2] Read the signature of any email you get from the list.
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: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
>>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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ge to meet Ivan very briefly. I headed to the
café but I couldn't find any recognisable group.
But a face to a name is still a good thing. Thanks for saying hello!
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On 13 April 2018 at 15:19, Mick Bert <micber...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I would like to install gnustep on an old Apple iBook with Lubuntu
> 14.04 PowerPC
16.04 also exists for PowerPC. I think you will have more luck with
the newer release.
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window manager is
Clutter, but this is inexact as it is not running X.11 but Wayland and
there is no traditional WM.
If you are running a beta of 18.04, the forthcoming LTS version, then
again, it's GNOME 3 and Clutter under Wayland.
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Mac OS X and Android).
These changes will also distance it considerably from more traditional
FOSS Unix OSes such as the BSDs (e.g. FreeBSD). However many of them
are controversial and widely disliked.
It does mean stuff is changing quite fast at present.
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oad
16.04-04 from here:
https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
You can make a bootable USB key on Windows, Mac or another Linux box.
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-- there are some skilled folk there.
Then follow the GNUstep build instructions.
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d changing it
* it's fairly closely tied to CentOS and not intended to be distro-portable?
Saying that, I think you have done a much better job of explaining on
your Github page what you're working on and why.
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kickstarter.com/projects/203272607/the-cacoa-linux-project-a-gnustep-based-distro
Oh cool!
I have plugged this on Twitter, FB, G+, Reddit and a few other places.
Good luck with it.
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reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9p9g0l/interesting_in_a_different_desktop/e838pxk/
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n? Why a slow-moving server distro without a
fixed clear update cycle?
> I hope so. And Gregory's kickstarter page quite confusing for that matter.
It is, yes, I agree. But remember the FOSS mantra: "release early,
release often". Better to get it out there than spend ages polishing
it. Fa
g I can do to help in terms of writing words (not
code)? I would be delighted to assist with text for the web.
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orking desktop.
It may be. They never released a working ISO, as far as I know, and
for a lot of people, myself included, if the instructions start with
"get the source here" then we just stop.
> My intention more pragmatic: make comfort, fast and useful desktop
> environment even in
, if a few people would like to
assist me in scripting it...
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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/02/19/cern_browser_reawakened/
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se a GNUstep-based distro, ideally, it would be based on
Ubuntu, or failing that, Debian/Devuan, and failing that, openSUSE, as
those are the distros with the packaging tools, driver/codec/etc
support and so on that I find the best.
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o look at it yet.
I welcome pointers or hints!
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probably never going to bother. That's too much work for me, and I
suspect this is true for 90% or more of Linux users.
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eir T carefully before deciding to accept them.
Interesting. Just gave them a quick look.
Bearing in mind that it's a gaming service, they looked fair enough.
What were your objections?
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