On 9 February 2014 20:46, Gregory Casamento <[email protected]> wrote: > So, I hope you'll fully understand when I say that I'm banning you from it.
Shocking, petty, vindictive and wrong. Terrible, terrible moderation. "You are saying something that is not permitted so I am banning you." It's too Orwellian for words. There is more good sense and well-made points in that one post than in anything else I've seen on this mailing list in over a year. The GNUstep project seems to be in deep denial, about what it is, what it does, why it exists. GNUstep is a desktop. No, it is *not* just a set of libraries. Nobody knows or cares about that; every leading desktop has a set of libraries and dev tools. KDE is a desktop, GNOME is a desktop, Xfce is a desktop. What this means, today, is a whole set of tools, libraries, a window manager and desktop manager, a suite of apps sharing that look and feel, and a set of tools and libraries for building new apps that share that look and feel. That is what GNOME is, that is what KDE is, and if those are desktops, then that is what GNUstep is as well. But the integration is shockingly poor. The official GS WM, Window Maker, has its own dock and its own menus which GS ignores. The GS desktop seems, as far as I can tell, to offer no way to let the user access the WM menus, so you can't open non-GS apps. You can't even readily add apps to the GS dock, or move it. The packages for GS in the leading distros - i.e. Debian and therefore Ubuntu - are apparently years out of date. There is no distro with GS as its desktop. There is no GN office suite or web browser, nor even effort to integrate one. The GS devs seem to have spent years fiddling with their back-end libraries while the front-end demo apps are woefully neglected and feature-poor. There doesn't seem to be any effort to reach out to the distros and ensure that the bundled libraries are current. There doesn't seem to be any effort to actually get GS out there in a form which people can see and try. It doesn't matter how good your libraries are if nobody knows you exist. Nobody will code for a platform which cannot be tried or even seen, and GS is completely below the radar, and nobody involved even seems to notice that this is a problem. -- Liam Proven * Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: [email protected] * GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: [email protected] * Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 * Cell: +44 7939-087884 _______________________________________________ Discuss-gnustep mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep
