Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint

2008-10-16 Thread Jody Garnett

Tim Sutton wrote:

code sprint. Another option to consider could be to start the sprint
on the day before the core conf. starts and then to provide a code
sprint space (we could have used the speaker prep room this year since
it was underutilised) and allow for ad hoc coding get togethers during
the conference. Of course having the sprint at the start of the conf
does have the negative of people being seriously jetlagged to begin
with(as opposed to being seriously hung over at the end...).
  
Hi Tim; this kind of defeats the purpose of having a code sprint - the 
idea is that the developer communities are going to want to hack at some 
point. By scheduling a code sprint at the end of the conference we can 
avoid a repeat of 2006 where developers hung out on the tables (ignoring 
the conference they had paid to attend).


By having a code sprint at the end; it is my hope that the developer 
teams can get out there and meet people (yeah OSGeo) and have a weeks 
worth of good ideas and contact with other projects heading into the 
code sprint.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint

2008-10-16 Thread Erik Uzureau
in the event that it's not already completely clear from my post 5 minutes
ago (d'oh, before reading this thread)

i completely concur with what chris has said here. I think it's pretty
reasonable to think that anyone who is going
to put in the $ to go out to australia is probably planning on spending at
least two or three days to do a bit of
travelling (i feel confident of that but maybe it's actually *not* a valid
assumption?) and so having the spacing between
the code sprint and the conference is in my mind a great idea.

-e

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Christopher Schmidt 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 04:45:49PM +0800, Tim Bowden wrote:
  The FOSS4G 2009 team are planning a 3 day code sprint.  The conference
  itself will be starting with workshops on Tuesday 20 Oct and finishing
  on Friday 23rd Oct.
 
  The possibilities for the code sprint are for the preceding Wednesday-
  Friday giving a long weekend in between (giving time for touring, more
  coding or whatever) or Sat - Monday with no break between the code
  sprint and the conference.  What would people prefer?

 I'm strongly in favor of the former.

 For one, like Cape Town, Sydney is too long of a flight to make it just
 a trip about the conference, in my opinion. We had an organized group do
 a two day trip down the cape after the Code Sprint in Cape Town, and I
 think it was a really successful bonding experience for those of us who
 came along, allowing some non-coding social time where we all go to hang
 out and know each other a little better, which I expect will help
 develop better communications in the coming months within the project.

 Also, having a break between the conference after the code sprint keeps
 the possibility of having a 'finished' result of something by the
 conference more likely as well. In general, code sprints are good at
 producing a lot of unpolished code: a couple days can help to get the
 code a bit more polished in order to present it as a new development
 during the conference, if people so choose.

 Lastly, I think that having a break before the conference gives people a
 bit of time to unwind: code sprints tend to be exhausting if you do them
 right (taking full advantage of shared physical location with long
 hours, for example), and going directly from that into a conference
 (described by one attendee as being similar to 'a 5 day long rave' due
 to the amount of energy it consumes) feels dangerous. :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint

2008-10-16 Thread Paul Ramsey
It's not a given. Those of us with young families back home are under
a certain pressure to get back to the nest. For every example, there
is a counter-example. :)

P.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Erik Uzureau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 in the event that it's not already completely clear from my post 5 minutes
 ago (d'oh, before reading this thread)

 i completely concur with what chris has said here. I think it's pretty
 reasonable to think that anyone who is going
 to put in the $ to go out to australia is probably planning on spending at
 least two or three days to do a bit of
 travelling (i feel confident of that but maybe it's actually *not* a valid
 assumption?) and so having the spacing between
 the code sprint and the conference is in my mind a great idea.

 -e

 On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Christopher Schmidt
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 04:45:49PM +0800, Tim Bowden wrote:
  The FOSS4G 2009 team are planning a 3 day code sprint.  The conference
  itself will be starting with workshops on Tuesday 20 Oct and finishing
  on Friday 23rd Oct.
 
  The possibilities for the code sprint are for the preceding Wednesday-
  Friday giving a long weekend in between (giving time for touring, more
  coding or whatever) or Sat - Monday with no break between the code
  sprint and the conference.  What would people prefer?

 I'm strongly in favor of the former.

 For one, like Cape Town, Sydney is too long of a flight to make it just
 a trip about the conference, in my opinion. We had an organized group do
 a two day trip down the cape after the Code Sprint in Cape Town, and I
 think it was a really successful bonding experience for those of us who
 came along, allowing some non-coding social time where we all go to hang
 out and know each other a little better, which I expect will help
 develop better communications in the coming months within the project.

 Also, having a break between the conference after the code sprint keeps
 the possibility of having a 'finished' result of something by the
 conference more likely as well. In general, code sprints are good at
 producing a lot of unpolished code: a couple days can help to get the
 code a bit more polished in order to present it as a new development
 during the conference, if people so choose.

 Lastly, I think that having a break before the conference gives people a
 bit of time to unwind: code sprints tend to be exhausting if you do them
 right (taking full advantage of shared physical location with long
 hours, for example), and going directly from that into a conference
 (described by one attendee as being similar to 'a 5 day long rave' due
 to the amount of energy it consumes) feels dangerous. :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint

2008-10-13 Thread Jeroen Ticheler

Hi Tim,

On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Tim Bowden wrote:

Just to confuse things again, we're reconsidering the idea of having  
it

before.  It runs the risk of diverting attention from the last minute
things that need to be done in the run up to the conf itself.  After  
is

looking like a great option right now (which would reduce by 1 the
number of nights accommodation as well).


I think that if there's a clear goal set for the Code Sprint and its  
relation to the conference, it can actually help to get a good turnout  
and instead of diverting attention it could increase it. If it is  
organized as _just a code sprint_ without objective(s) the risk is  
indeed there, otherwise I think the contrary can be true.


You suggested the idea of an interoperability integration showcase,  
maybe as a permanent platform that shows both proprietary and open  
source software interoperate. I think that is an excellent idea and is  
well worth pursuing in collaboration with OGC and vendors. If such  
goal is pursued, a three days final preparation code sprint would be  
extremely valuable, also with respect to the workshops in the  
conference.


I realize that both conference and code sprint are tiring events, so  
having them in one rush can be exhaustive. If there's a good chance to  
relax between the two (a long weekend) however, it may be worthwhile.


My 2 cents, ciao,
Jeroen
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint

2008-10-12 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:18:46PM +1100, Cameron Shorter wrote:
 Could someone who was at the 2008 sprint give us a summary about what 
 went on, specifically with details like which projects were represented?
 how many people attended?

OpenLayers had about 8 people.

 how long did people attend for?

From whatever time they showed up -- ranging from 8:30 to 12:30 -- til
we had to leave at 5. 

 did everyone stay for the full 3 days or did some leave early? 

There was only one day of the sprint.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint

2008-10-12 Thread Tim Sutton
Hi

2008/10/12 Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:18:46PM +1100, Cameron Shorter wrote:
 Could someone who was at the 2008 sprint give us a summary about what
 went on, specifically with details like which projects were represented?
 how many people attended?

 OpenLayers had about 8 people.

I asked everyone attending to add themselves here:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_CodeSprint

Not all did (we had 35 folks in all), but the page still gives you a
good feel for the project coverage.

Regards

Tim

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint

2008-10-11 Thread Tim Sutton
Hi

2008/10/11 Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 04:45:49PM +0800, Tim Bowden wrote:
 The FOSS4G 2009 team are planning a 3 day code sprint.  The conference
 itself will be starting with workshops on Tuesday 20 Oct and finishing
 on Friday 23rd Oct.

 The possibilities for the code sprint are for the preceding Wednesday-
 Friday giving a long weekend in between (giving time for touring, more
 coding or whatever) or Sat - Monday with no break between the code
 sprint and the conference.  What would people prefer?


8--snip---


The downside to the codesprint - gap - codesprint idea is that it
means folks would need to cover accommodation  living costs for 6
days over and above the conference.which will hit some of us hard
in the pocket. That said, I think it would be great to have a longer
code sprint. Another option to consider could be to start the sprint
on the day before the core conf. starts and then to provide a code
sprint space (we could have used the speaker prep room this year since
it was underutilised) and allow for ad hoc coding get togethers during
the conference. Of course having the sprint at the start of the conf
does have the negative of people being seriously jetlagged to begin
with(as opposed to being seriously hung over at the end...).

One thing I learned from organising this years sprint is that almost
everyone you ask will have a different opinion about how the code
sprint should be arranged, and you may be better off just deciding on
one way or the other and then making the arrangements clearly known so
that people can logistically and psychologically prepare for it.

Another point to make is that the turn out to the sprint was 3.5 x the
number of people who said they would come so getting attendance of the
sprint as part of the registration process will help you plan better.

Regards

Tim



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint

2008-10-11 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/10/11 12:42 PM, Tim Sutton wrote:


Another point to make is that the turn out to the sprint was 3.5 x the
number of people who said they would come so getting attendance of the
sprint as part of the registration process will help you plan better.


Were there people who attended the FOSS4G 2008 Code Sprint
who were not registered delegates to the FOSS4G conference?
In other words, does the code sprint registration need
to be distinct from the conference registration in order
to capture everyone who is wanting to attend?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint

2008-10-11 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 01:10:47PM -0700, Dave Patton wrote:
 On 2008/10/11 12:42 PM, Tim Sutton wrote:
 
 Another point to make is that the turn out to the sprint was 3.5 x the
 number of people who said they would come so getting attendance of the
 sprint as part of the registration process will help you plan better.
 
 Were there people who attended the FOSS4G 2008 Code Sprint
 who were not registered delegates to the FOSS4G conference?
 In other words, does the code sprint registration need
 to be distinct from the conference registration in order
 to capture everyone who is wanting to attend?

I don't think we've had anything ike that happen in either 2007 or
2008... not to my memory, anyway.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint

2008-10-11 Thread Tim Sutton
Hi

2008/10/11 Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 01:10:47PM -0700, Dave Patton wrote:
 On 2008/10/11 12:42 PM, Tim Sutton wrote:

 Another point to make is that the turn out to the sprint was 3.5 x the
 number of people who said they would come so getting attendance of the
 sprint as part of the registration process will help you plan better.

 Were there people who attended the FOSS4G 2008 Code Sprint
 who were not registered delegates to the FOSS4G conference?
 In other words, does the code sprint registration need
 to be distinct from the conference registration in order
 to capture everyone who is wanting to attend?

 I don't think we've had anything ike that happen in either 2007 or
 2008... not to my memory, anyway.

As far as I know all 2008 sprinters were conference registered, we
just didn't have an explicit 'tick this box to indicate you will be
attending the code sprint' option on the registration process. I
suspect that even if we did have that added, people would still pitch
up on whim, though perhaps less so if you have the sprint at / before
the start of the conference. Which also brings to mind the issue of
having the sprint before may reduce turn out as there were quite a few
2008 sprinters who came along as a result of in-conference
interactions with developers / project members.

Regards

Tim



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