w3wilkes wrote:
> but the one hit wonders don't seem to have that formula for longevity
> that we saw in the 60's.
You really first know that after 10-20 year
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One of the things I look for is bands that are capable of doing whole
albums like "Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit". I know we had the "one hit
wonders" like "J. Frank Wilson and the Cavaliers", but the one hit
wonders don't seem to have that formula for longevity that we saw in the
60's.
Main
I disagree. The advent of CDs and now streamed albums has brought more
tracks per media format than before. Yes there a single track releases
but more EPs and albums?
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toby10 wrote:
> Indeed. You could also bring back cassettes, 8-tracks, HD-DVD, beta
> max/VHS, etc
Overtime, I expect to see the end of the album as a concept, and thats
more worrying. As streaming services become more embedded and a way for
the media giants to maintain a profitable lock on
earthbased wrote:
> Everything has a price.
Indeed. You could also bring back cassettes, 8-tracks, HD-DVD, beta
max/VHS, etc
Is there a (albeit small) market for them? Sure. But when your
competition for the above is CDs & downloads, Bluetooth & WiFi,
streaming, Blu-ray, DVD
.. why
I think that Logitech has stopped selling its AirPlay speaker.
So does this mean that it does not have any speakers with TCP/IP in them
any more?
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Well, Porsche, to begin with, already no longer exists (as a company
making cars) today...
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earthbased wrote:
> Porsche should shut down immediately!
Porsche and all other auto manufacturers will look much different in the
near future (and some will not exist). Younger people are no longer
interested in owning cars or the driving experience. They are very happy
with mass
Mnyb wrote:
> I know . Working in a multinational myself :) the top floor does not
> really know what to do with smaller products even if they work well in
> their niche's and even turn a small profit with reasonable margin .
> They just cant fit it into both bussines model and organisation .
toby10 wrote:
> This has been discussed in here for years, over and over. It will never
> happen. It will never be resurrected, nor sold, nor licensed to a third
> party, etc..
> It's dead as a viable consumer product offering.
Everything has a price.
FredFredrickson wrote:
> Who thinks Logitech should resurrect the brand and start selling
> squeezeboxen again?
I do!
I would also hope for different brands, with different quality,
audiophile and price ranges, and different solutions, with everything
from full players like the boom and radio,
cathcam wrote:
> Anyone else notice the similarity between the Duet+controller and the
> Harmony Pro and the Home Hub...
> https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/harmony-pro?crid=60
>
> I wonder if you could use the Harmony Pro as a remote to control a
> player or LMS?
Yes, it works. I was
cathcam wrote:
> I wonder if you could use the Harmony Pro as a remote to control a
> player or LMS?
.
.
The Harmony Pro will control most if not ALL Slim Devices that use IR
Remote. The Duet IE Receiver/Controller are RF Controlled devices so the
Harmony Pro doesn't work with them.
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Apesbrain wrote:
> I use a Harmony 650 to control a Touch.Via infrared presumably. It would be
> interesting to know if there are
vestiges of the LMS cli over Ethernet, is the point of the original
question if I read it right. Personally I very very much doubt it, but I
wouldn't be surprised if
cathcam wrote:
> I wonder if you could use the Harmony Pro as a remote to control a
> player or LMS?
I use a Harmony 650 to control a Touch.
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garym wrote:
> These last few posts are talking about SONOS, not Sonore. Many (all?)
> Sonore products already work with LMS, as they include Squeezelite.
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.
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drmatt wrote:
> In broad sweeping terms only.. a lot of time has passed. I've no doubt
> the hub has a huge amount more power and features compared to the
> duet/receiver.
>
>
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That looks right to me.
Another Logitech acquisition (2004, for USD
In broad sweeping terms only.. a lot of time has passed. I've no doubt
the hub has a huge amount more power and features compared to the
duet/receiver.
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https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/harmony-pro?crid=60
I wonder if you could use the Harmony Pro as a remote to control a
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Ikabob wrote:
> I just had an idea that might bring SB owners back into the market
> place. I haven't read all the posts on this thread so someone may have
> alluded to something like this. But, what if SONOS made their devices
> compatible with the Squeezeboxes. I would be very inclined to buy
cathcam wrote:
> For the most part, all cloud services are the same. Pull you in, lock up
> your data, charge to access it, add services to maintain it.
Absolutely. Unfortunately most people don't seem to mind these days.
> How many companies do you know that offer the right to leave and take
Julf wrote:
> The whole SONOS business idea is based on tying you into a closed
> system.
For the most part, all cloud services are the same. Pull you in, lock up
your data, charge to access it, add services to maintain it.
How many companies do you know that offer the right to leave and take
mherger wrote:
> >
> IMHO the LMS based product is becoming more and more of a niche product.
>
> Who does still curate his own music collection? We do, yes. But who
> else? The mass market future is in the cloud, like it or not. As you
> said: easy to use. And connected.
>
> --
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>
Julf wrote:
> The whole SONOS business idea is based on tying you into a closed
> system.
It's not ´fully' closed due to it's upnp support. What is really
proprietary is their sync system. There is a last improvement I'm
thinking of adding that's to manage the Sonos grouping / ungrouping
Ikabob wrote:
> what if SONOS made their devices compatible with the Squeezeboxes. I
> would be very inclined to buy SONOS products to add to my SB ecosystem.
> It might be a profitable venture for SONOS.
The whole SONOS business idea is based on tying you into a closed
system.
"To try to
andifor wrote:
> Mix-up? Sonos and Sonore are not the same company. Only the first 4
> letters are the same.
These last few posts are talking about SONOS, not Sonore. Many (all?)
Sonore products already work with LMS, as they include Squeezelite.
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Ikabob wrote:
> I just had an idea that might bring SB owners back into the market
> place. I haven't read all the posts on this thread so someone may have
> alluded to something like this. But, what if SONOS made their devices
> compatible with the Squeezeboxes. I would be very inclined to buy
castalla wrote:
> Just use upnpbridge plugin and Sonos speakers become SB players.
good point. Still not sure why I'd spend $300+ for a Sonos speaker to
use with LMS, when cheaper/better options are available.
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garym wrote:
> Their underlying technology is completely different. Why buy SONOS
> products to use with other SBs. Just add one of the many inexpensive Pi
> microcomputer players to emulate a Squeezebox player.
Just use upnpbridge plugin and Sonos speakers become SB players.
Touch,
Ikabob wrote:
> I just had an idea that might bring SB owners back into the market
> place. I haven't read all the posts on this thread so someone may have
> alluded to something like this. But, what if SONOS made their devices
> compatible with the Squeezeboxes. I would be very inclined to buy
I just had an idea that might bring SB owners back into the market
place. I haven't read all the posts on this thread so someone may have
alluded to something like this. But, what if SONOS made their devices
compatible with the Squeezeboxes. I would be very inclined to buy SONOS
products to add
jerrym303 wrote:
> My Modwright Transporter has been in a box for six years after moving.
> I was thinking it would be hopelessly out of date, but still looks like
> it will be useful. I liked the sound. No need to buy a new digital
> source for my ripped CD collection when I get the system
My Modwright Transporter has been in a box for six years after moving.
I was thinking it would be hopelessly out of date, but still looks like
it will be useful. I liked the sound. No need to buy a new digital
source for my ripped CD collection when I get the system fired back up.
I tink that
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I do not know if logitech is going to do a squeezebox ressurection but
if they want they must first look at what did not work in their
financial plans.
For me it is essentially the complexity of the product. I remember few
years ago when I bought my
andifor wrote:
> => The difference is subtle, but I can hear it. And please don't ask me
> to explain, *why* it sounds different. I have no clue of the technical
> details :o)
Thanks for the description! How many tests did you do, and how many of
those did you get right? And how did you
Julf wrote:
> If it is just a subjective opinion, and we treat it as such, then yes.
> Some of us might still want to understand the circumstances that lead to
> it.
Easy:
- connect the mR (microRendu) on one input of my DAC
- connect the Receiver on another input of my DAC
- sync the two
drmatt wrote:
> Like all individual's opinions, we are really not interested how they
> were decided upon. When he wants to write a scientific paper about it
> then he'll have to show his working...
If it is just a subjective opinion, and we treat it as such, then yes.
Some of us might still
Like all individual's opinions, we are really not interested how they
were decided upon.
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andifor wrote:
> Yes, I have.
Good. How did you do it?
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953
Julf wrote:
> Have you ensured levels are matched?
Yes, I have.
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Squeezemenicely wrote:
> Nope, sorry you got it wrong. The Receiver and the Transporter were/are
> complete devices including the DAC. Therefore they can sound different,
> since all is done in the device and the audio is output to your
> amplifyer.
You're right, the DAC is important as well. I
The SB devices that I still use are the Booms and Radios; the screens on
them makes them great devices for bedroom and kitchen. But they are only
ever going to be of interest to people who already have LMS.
For real music listening I can't see what hardware could be made to
please everyone. I'm
andifor wrote:
> Well, you are invited to check for differences between a Receiver and a
> microRendu. I have them both available and can connect them my DAC. - I
> don't say, which device sound better (I just say, there is a
> difference). Where ever this difference comes from.
Have you
Squeezemenicely wrote:
> With the Sonore and Pi (without a DAC installed) you only have a
> computer that runs the software, the "sound" is then dealt by with a DAC
> that you connect to the USB port. It - if nothing is broken - has
> nothing to do with the quality or "sound" of the audio, that
Pi has analogue audio output, as do most DAC hats, so yeah they can
"sound".
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albums..
andifor wrote:
> Talking about sound: If the Receiver sounds different than the
> Transporter, a Sonore device might sound different than a Pi.
>
>
Nope, sorry you got it wrong. The Receiver and the Transporter were/are
complete devices including the DAC. Therefore they can sound different,
drmatt wrote:
> Years of experience tells us that people will pay lots and lots of money
> for a nice case...
>
Talking about sound: If the Receiver sounds different than the
Transporter, a Sonore device might sound different than a Pi.
Talking about cases: I prefer the Receivers case to the
Years of experience tells us that people will pay lots and lots of money
for a nice case...
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Squeezemenicely wrote:
> Wow, just seen the prices on sonore - pretty steep for a "Pi in
> disguise" ... Well, no idea what they are really using as hardware, but
> running Squeezelite etc.
>
> What is the point of buying such a device? Just get a Pi with a DAC or
> connect to the DAC of your
Wow, just seen the prices on sonore - pretty steep for a "Pi in
disguise" ... Well, no idea what they are really using as hardware, but
running Squeezelite etc.
What is the point of buying such a device? Just get a Pi with a DAC or
connect to the DAC of your dreams. It is all the same, except
Antoniop wrote:
> I recently bought a new (!) squeeze radio on amazon market place and
> would buy a touch or a transporter if I could. I didn't found similar
> products on the market that could work as nicely with LMS. Fortunately
> all my squeezebox devices are still working!
>
Those who
I realize I started the latest beat-the-dead-horse topic, but I really
think with new sections of walmart and bestbuy dedicated to bluetooth
speakers, that connected, syncable speakers are absolutely the next big
thing.
Even Sonos might be a little ahead of the market right now.
Chromecast
nolan wrote:
> How strong do you think Sonos are though? I can't see much of a future
> for them unless they get acquired by Amazon or Apple. I know they are in
> a lot of the big name stores but they have laid staff off and failed to
> follow through with the voice control they announced. I can
The march of cheap, convenient, mediocrity will always win in the long
term.
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How strong do you think Sonos are though? I can't see much of a future
for them unless they get acquired by Amazon or Apple. I know they are in
a lot of the big name stores but they have laid staff off and failed to
follow through with the voice control they announced. I can see they
being a good
jfo wrote:
> I suspect that Logitech has continued to support this project to protect
> their intellectual property while taking a "wait and see" approach to
> the possible options that might unfold which could allow them to extract
> some value from their investment. It is certainly not because
I suspect that Logitech has continued to support this project to protect
their intellectual property while taking a "wait and see" approach to
the possible options that might unfold which could allow them to extract
some value from their investment. It is certainly not because they are
nice guy's
I really just hope that the people that are truly keeping this going
(those here) are thinking ahead to a time when the domains and support
are completely gone. I feel that they are (I'm not on this forum enough
to know). I am impressed with how the loss of Spotify was quickly
remedied by
garym wrote:
> Excellent point. Every day I'm surprised when I click on this forum to
> see what's up and it actually works versus a "page does not exist"
> message. It's actually quite amazing that this forum still exists. It
> will be sad to see it go (when it does).
Well they renewed the
alfista wrote:
> So even if Logitech, to put it bluntly, failed, they did so in a fairly
> nice way.
Excellent point. Every day I'm surprised when I click on this forum to
see what's up and it actually works versus a "page does not exist"
message. It's actually quite amazing that this forum
cliveb wrote:
> Logitech were, and always would have been, the wrong company to buy Slim
> Devices. Their core businesses were just miles apart.
Perhaps, but I think most other companies would have struggled to keep
the product line going, and most other companies would have wasted no
time
drmatt wrote:
> Hah, works for me :)
>
>
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.. with wifi i forgot that :D
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toby10 wrote:
> For SlimDevices it was the perfect time to sell. Taking into account
> Logitechs business model it was the wrong time for Logitech to buy.
Logitech were, and always would have been, the wrong company to buy Slim
Devices. Their core businesses were just miles apart.
The
The story goes much deeper than well ever know. I'm sure Michael
Herger knows all the dirt but is unable say so publicly. ;)
What little we do know
. Soon after Logitech acquired SlimDevices there
was a major reshuffling of managers and department personnel at
Logitech. The few individuals
Mnyb wrote:
>
> Anyhow some stubborn fellow wants to sync 24/192 pcm over 5 players :D
> and comes to our forum.
Hah, works for me :)
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drmatt wrote:
> Sonos also made the executive decision to cripple their digital outputs,
> for reasons no one can fathom; nor do they seem interested in sorting it
> out.
>
>
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Probably due to old tech .
more than 16/44.1 does not really do anything
One of the most attractive aspects of Squeezebox is the ability to use
it (server and hardware) with high definition music, if one wants to. I
have an optical connection to my stereo and have really loved the
ability to listen to my surround sound music. There are things I
wouldn't mind being
drmatt wrote:
> Sonos also made the executive decision to cripple their digital outputs,
> for reasons no one can fathom; nor do they seem interested in sorting it
> out.
And that must have cost them about five sales or something?
I honestly don't think the majority of potential Sonos buyers
Sonos also made the executive decision to cripple their digital outputs,
for reasons no one can fathom; nor do they seem interested in sorting it
out.
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d6jg wrote:
> My point was that Sonos had started to become accepted in the consumer
> electronics field just as Logitech pulled out.
Yes. Only a different subset of the consumers than the Squeezeboxes
caters to. The fact that there was enough buyers to support Sonos
doesn't suggest that there
cliveb wrote:
> Sonos was around long before Logitech bought Slim Devices. The two
> product lines were always at opposite ends of the market. Drawing an
> analogy with HiFi, Sonos appealed to the sort of person who would buy an
> integrated B system, whereas the Squeezebox system appealed to
d6jg wrote:
> What is crystal clear though is that they killed the product line at
> exactly the wrong time just as other high products such as Sonos etc
> were being launched.
Sonos was around long before Logitech bought Slim Devices. The two
product lines were always at opposite ends of the
Roon bussines model is not viable for squeezebox either .
Software = open source LMS = no revenue .
Squeezebox = DIY our own rpi3 = no revenue .
Enhanced interlinked metadata so that you can build a roon like UX =
licensed and costly (se all the trouble our comunity had with the lyrics
plugin
d6jg wrote:
> What is crystal clear though is that they killed the product line at
> exactly the wrong time just as other high products such as Sonos etc
> were being launched.
Is it?
Sonos had already gained good traction by the time Logitech shut down
production, but I don't see the relevance.
mherger wrote:
> > Even if this is a niche . For example ROON is trying to get piece of
> the
> > pie by selling software . With a kind of licensing model for,hardware
> > they have no hardware of their own .
>
> I thought this would come up. But then that software is Roon's business.
>
>
Even if this is a niche . For example ROON is trying to get piece of the
pie by selling software . With a kind of licensing model for,hardware
they have no hardware of their own .
I thought this would come up. But then that software is Roon's business.
They're small and obviously happy to
Even if this is a niche . For example ROON is trying to get piece of the
pie by selling software . With a kind of licensing model for,hardware
they have no hardware of their own .
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As many have said it ain't happening. Still, I offer my thanks to
Logitech in general and to Michael specifically for maintaining these
forums and LMS. As others have said the plug and play w no
system/software maintenance is where most are today. Me, I still prefer
the "old School" collecting,
d6jg wrote:
> All this doesn't quite explain how you can still buy a brand new
> Transporter SE on eBay and that new stocks of same keep appearing. Are
> Logitech still manufacturing but only Transporters?
Not only transporters are appearing. I missed a UE radio sale on
amazon.fr some months
.
This topic will always be discussed until one of two things happen,
Squeezeboxen start showing up at Best Buy or Logitech goes out of
business! Are either of those two things going to happen anytime soon, I
don't think so, so the topic will live on.
Logitech should be commended daily for their
Those are "new, old stock" transporters. There is no manufacturing for a
decade or so.
LMS was always too hard for people, Sonos fixed that and appeals to the
Apple buying industrial design generation to boot, despite being broadly
mediocre for various reasons. Logitech had a ground breaking
toby10 wrote:
> Exactly. Those and numerous other reasons are why it is a dead product.
> *WE* all love them and *WE* get/use the SB advantages. But the mass
> market could care less, and for very understandable reasons. In a world
> of streaming compressed music on a mobile device listened
Antoniop wrote:
> Well, I am not sure. I don't know much these products, but SONOS is sold
> everywhere and Bose have also a similar (?) product line.
> Anyway, people say they're very easy to use, which is not the case with
> LMS.
> LMS is too complicated for old people and also for most of
I think Logitech could, and maybe should, launch another product line as
squeezeboxes devices, but I don't think they will, unless they change
their marketing strategy, which is to sell small devices, easy to use,
not too expensive, for the young.
Like... the UE Boom family of products?...
toby10 wrote:
>
> It's dead as a viable consumer product offering.
Well, I am not sure. I don't know much these products, but SONOS is sold
everywhere and Bose have also a similar (?) product line.
Anyway, people say they're very easy to use, which is not the case with
LMS.
LMS is too
I can live with the current status quo as far as Logitech gives Michael
enough room to do his thing.
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1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch
FredFredrickson wrote:
> Who thinks Logitech should resurrect the brand and start
> selling squeezeboxen again?
This has been discussed in here for years, over and over. It will never
happen. It will never be resurrected, nor sold, nor licensed to a third
party, etc..
It's dead
Short answer: Nah, at least not a Squeezebox brand based on the
architecture we know and (mostly) love.
Don't get me wrong, I think the Squeezebox ecosystem is genuinely
amazing. There seems to be no limit to the adaptability and
extensibility, constantly made to run on new platforms with new
Actually I suspect you'll find a lot of people on the forum are quite
happy with the status quo. The Pi/DAC/open source LMS solution is very
compelling. Any reignite of Logitech official Interest could well see
them grabbing that back in-house. At the very least it would likely be
based around
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