Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
You don't have to do things the Apple way. You can jailbreak ATV1 and ATV2, and presumably the ATV3 will follow. With the jailbreak, you're able to install XBMC. XBMC should give you all of the flexibility you want to stream your content. In my personal case, I have my XBMC master system that is directly connected to my receiver. In the bedrooms, I have ATV2s running XBMC, which use the mysql server running on XBMC master to provide synchronized libraries, shared pause/resume, etc. routehero's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=54579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
I have had a squeezebox for many years, still have it in fact but it's in the drawer. I got an AppleTv at Christmas and haven't looked back. The device is not perfect but it's a damn sight more reliable than the sb2 it replaced. With this AppleTv I can not only listen to all my music but watch ripped movies, you tube, vimeo videos etc. The sound from it is excellent as is the sound from the sb2 but the thing that really annoyed me is the sb's reliability. You could be just sitting there and the machine just stops playing, or it skips to the next track or whatever, I don't think you could go for a few hours without it messing up. Every time there was a software update to correct the problems, new bugs were introduced, this is were the sb was let down the software was to buggy and for untechnical users. I could not recommend a sb to any of my untechnical friends for example. The AppleTv whilst not perfect has performed great, very few problems and most of those can be traced to human error. iTunes as has been said is not perfect but I rarely use iTunes except to add new content, it usually just sits there running in the dock. Btw as far a DRM is concerned I have never bought a music track from Apple, I prefer lossless and rip cd's into iTunes. So it's really choice £100 for a device that plays all your music, videos etc. Has regular updates and Apple is not going anywhere soon. Or £250 for a device that just plays music and from what I can see the players future is in doubt. Steven Moore's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
Steven Moore wrote: So it's really choice £100 for a device that plays all your music, videos etc. Has regular updates and Apple is not going anywhere soon. Or £250 for a device that just plays music and from what I can see the players future is in doubt. I understand why you have chosen AppleTv. I haven't used it myself and probably won't. My issue is the Apple juggernaut itself. To make their products super reliable they allow no flexibility. You have to do it their way, the Apple way. I like the flexibility offered by other companies and systems. With that flexibility comes competition, and the user has some input into the direction the technology will take. With Apple you are a follower, a disciple, they dictate the future for you. I also agree that Squeezebox is a little buggy at times, especially leading up to the release of LMS. However it is flexible for the user and programmer. That is the issue, if you want flexibility in a system, to allow anybody to have an input i.e. programming, the reliability of the system will slip. For Squeezebox to be as reliable as Apple systems then it would have to be closed source software managed by a core group of people with limited input from the masses. You can have any colour you like as long as it is white, bright white, with subdued grey text Personally I like all colours. Cheers Gingernut63 Gingernut63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
pski;699283 Wrote: Yes. From my experience DLNA means a very limited folder account navigation structure. Tag awareness is I haven't found it. I could be wrong. It's happened before. It could happen again. P That's not always the case, it depends on the server what tags and tree structure are presented to the control point (controller). I can't see its relevance for Squeeze people, but I have a Squeeze and DLNA environments, and using a product called Minimserver, I can get a very comprehensive search mode, that is better than the 'as delivered' LMS Squeeze experience. This is especially the case for classical music since it supports a flexible tag search order, and user specified tags. -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
i should clarify that while apple tv doesn't directly support some 3rd party services like say pandora, it will let idevices or whatever stream them thru apple tv via airplay. airport expresses are similar, they just don't do the video but are cheaper. here's a good overview of atv: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/29/in_depth_review_apples_third_generation_1080p_apple_tv_and_software_update_5.html -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
Main advantage of the Squeezebox system has to be its openness and hence flexibility on the server and client side. If you really wanted to, you can just get the server and a suitable client for free and roll your own hardware. Until recently, there were quite a good number of actual Squeezebox badged hardware options to choose from too. It's great that you don't need the device (if it's an actual branded squeezebox) connected to a TV/display to function and that they are generally pretty compact, requiring small amounts of power and totally silent. The Squeezebox Boom! is simply superb and I really regret not snapping up a spare when they were available and cheap. Against is the amount of jumping through hoops you tend to have to do, especially if you are running it on a non-mainstream platform (one of my systems is on an old QNAP NAS and it's such a pain whenever something 'breaks' due to an upgrade somewhere in the chain). Why on earth do they keep rolling out new versions of the server requiring new firmware all the time??? -- slimfast slimfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29669 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
you're right, i should have added that as a pro to the logitech way: is that they finally added DLNA ability to the server, long time coming, altho it doesn't seem to be the most robust or elegant or prioritized task. seems like something that was done to help revue, but now that thats dead, not sure its a big part of the agenda anymore. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
MrSinatra;699277 Wrote: you're right, i should have added that as a pro to the logitech way: is that they finally added DLNA ability to the server, long time coming, altho it doesn't seem to be the most robust or elegant or prioritized task. seems like something that was done to help revue, but now that thats dead, not sure its a big part of the agenda anymore. Yes. From my experience DLNA means a very limited folder account navigation structure. Tag awareness is I haven't found it. I could be wrong. It's happened before. It could happen again. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
)p(;699039 Wrote: Indeed...which we could send it directly to ipeng from anywhere :) Indeed. I hate to have switch Apps just to play a link as it is now, would be too cool if I could have that automagically. And no, even I don't want to do all my browsing from within iPeng... -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, iPeng for iPad and *New: iPeng Party, the free party App*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
You could use the one in iPeng Party which is fullscreen in portrait... but wait... my biggest issues with using iPeng's browser permanently are that it's considerably slower than the regular one due to the link checker (which is the whole point of the browser so little chance to solve it but maybe I can check some stuff later) and that some pages can make it crash due to a bug (or lousy programming) in the Webkit JavaScript engine although the latter just got better with iOS 5.1. I use it a lot with facebook, which actually became my landing page in iPeng. Now if facebook only didn't have this nasty habit of showing fewer music posts in the mobile client (it's the same in the facebook App) than in the full web version, for some reason, facebook seems to think I'm less interested in music when I use my iPad and more interested in all the spam my football team sends me But it's a good idea to add a full-screen-view, I'll keep that in mind for the redesign. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, iPeng for iPad and *New: iPeng Party, the free party App*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
GreenGrass;698806 Wrote: I received the new Apple TV 1080p and compared it against my Duet. My pre/pro does not accept audio via HDMI, so I was limited with testing the Apple TV using the digital optical out. I have coaxial on my Duet. Both my wife and I agree that the Duet is clearer, produces larger sound stage and provides better audio. I tried changing the DVD Audio settings and the 16 bit settings in the Apple TV, but the settings made no difference. I tried several lossless songs, all 16 bit. FLAC for the Duet, Apple Lossless for the Apple TV. In the future, once I update my pre/pro, I will be able to try the audio via HDMI. I would think it may provide better results than the optical out. Note - Apple TV resamples all stereo audio to 48k 16 bit. This is different to Airport Express. It was a cost reduction / simplification, so it will sound different. -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
pski;698825 Wrote: How much music does an iPad hold? Or do you mean from a computer? P 16, 32, 64 gig, depends what u get. The ipad can hold the music or control it from a computer, or be the conduit that plays the music from the computer or the cloud. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
pski;696887 Wrote: Your are now using Apple TV exclusively. You are out-of-town at a friend's house and you want to play some of your CD's and you don't subscribe to Match but you have an Apple TV with you. How do you play your music remotely? I stream it via nfs in XBMC running on my ATV. -- routehero routehero's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=54579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
DaveWr;698857 Wrote: Note - Apple TV resamples all stereo audio to 48k 16 bit. This is different to Airport Express. It was a cost reduction / simplification, so it will sound different. Does the Apple TV resampling only apply to the optical output? I read somewhere that the Apple TV HDMI audio output is bit perfect. -- GreenGrass 1 Duet | 1 Boom | 1 Slim SB3 Main: Vandersteen 2Ce/VCC-2/VCC-1/VSM-1 + Outlaw 990 LFM-1 + Oppo BDP-93 + Bryston Amps + Duet Office: Klipsch Heresy + Bryston BP-20 3B-ST + Adcom Tuner + SB3 Server: iMac GreenGrass's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29191 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
GreenGrass;698911 Wrote: Does the Apple TV resampling only apply to the optical output? I read somewhere that the Apple TV HDMI audio output is bit perfect. Only for Dolby Digital signals, stereo audio is resampled to 48k 16bit. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
)p(;698966 Wrote: In a lot of instances I start playing through the spotify app from links on webpages. And when its started I tend to stay with it for the rest of the day. Yes, I do that a lot, too. it's actually a pity that you still can't register several Apps for one link type on the iPad so you can't make that any easier for other channels the AirPlay... guess why... -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, iPeng for iPad and *New: iPeng Party, the free party App*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
I received the new Apple TV 1080p and compared it against my Duet. My pre/pro does not accept audio via HDMI, so I was limited with testing the Apple TV using the digital optical out. I have coaxial on my Duet. Both my wife and I agree that the Duet is clearer, produces larger sound stage and provides better audio. I tried changing the DVD Audio settings and the 16 bit settings in the Apple TV, but the settings made no difference. I tried several lossless songs, all 16 bit. FLAC for the Duet, Apple Lossless for the Apple TV. In the future, once I update my pre/pro, I will be able to try the audio via HDMI. I would think it may provide better results than the optical out. -- GreenGrass 1 Duet | 1 Boom | 1 Slim SB3 Main: Vandersteen 2Ce/VCC-2/VCC-1/VSM-1 + Outlaw 990 LFM-1 + Oppo BDP-93 + Bryston Amps + Duet Office: Klipsch Heresy + Bryston BP-20 3B-ST + Adcom Tuner + SB3 Server: iMac GreenGrass's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29191 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
imo: the apple stuff is way easier to use its way cheaper it does video its easier for someone unitiated to just start using, ie. its more intuitive it handles multiple wifi hops, (slim typically only does one robustly) the only real advantages of slim stuff are: sound quality syncing, (which most people don't care about) some online services apple won't do and the fact that it isn't apple, so u can do flacs and RG, avoid itunes, and so on, but most people don't care about that either. and in fact, most people wouldn't care or perceive a difference in the sound quality. so what you have, is an expensive product, that is exponentially more expensive to expand, that doesn't do video, that for many people isn't easy or fun to use. not to mention, developers who won't even commit to fixing ONE top ten voted bug a release. its a frustrating product, b/c it COULD be good, you can easily imagine it being tweaked to become good, but the overwhelming feeling i get, is that they don't think thinks like UI navigation, which is antique, unusual, awkward, and frankly laughable, is worth the effort to make good. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
)p(;698821 Wrote: We recently got our first apple tv. We already had an airport express connected to the stereo. I still prefer the flexibility of the squeezeboxes. But I find myself more and more sending audio directly from my ipad to one of the apple boxes. How much music does and iPad hold? Or do you mean from a computer? P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
GreenGrass;698806 Wrote: I received the new Apple TV 1080p and compared it against my Duet. My pre/pro does not accept audio via HDMI, so I was limited with testing the Apple TV using the digital optical out. I have coaxial on my Duet. Both my wife and I agree that the Duet is clearer, produces larger sound stage and provides better audio. I tried changing the DVD Audio settings and the 16 bit settings in the Apple TV, but the settings made no difference. I tried several lossless songs, all 16 bit. FLAC for the Duet, Apple Lossless for the Apple TV. In the future, once I update my pre/pro, I will be able to try the audio via HDMI. I would think it may provide better results than the optical out. Digital is digital (unless you lurk in the audiophiles area. Optical out should provide nearly identical results to HDMI. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
It was easier to store feature-length content on VHS, and easier to reproduce this content on the horizontal resolution common on TV's at the time. Once VHS won the battle, it was easier to get products and peripherals supporting VHS instead of betamax. -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
AnthonioBEL;697478 Wrote: It was easier to store feature-length content on VHS Looks like the recording length issue was a US only issue. In the EU we had 3 hour 35 minute long betamax tapes and we had little need to record American football games ;) -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Yes, that was my point. Though Betamax was better, public opinion, shaped by corporate interests caused the inferior product to win out and become the de-facto standard. -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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AnthonioBEL;697483 Wrote: Yes, that was my point. Your point was that VHS was easier, my point that betamax (outside of the US at least) was that betamax was easier... -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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AnthonioBEL;697483 Wrote: Yes, that was my point. Though Betamax was better, public opinion, shaped by corporate interests caused the inferior product to win out and become the de-facto standard. In Uk ireland it was a 3 way contest for time shift recording Philips V2000, betamax and VHS. But then it was content that mattered - wide variety of VHS movies to rent but not other formats. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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andynormancx;697484 Wrote: Your point was that VHS was easier, my point that betamax (outside of the US at least) was that betamax was easier... Ok, I apologise. Perhaps the example I used (Betamax/VHS) to illustrate my point about LMS/Apple was not the best... Please take it metaphorically then ;-) -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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AnthonioBEL;697489 Wrote: Ok, I apologise. Perhaps the example I used (Betamax/VHS) to illustrate my point about LMS/Apple was not the best... Please take it metaphorically then ;-) No problem, at least I learnt something along the way. I had no idea VHS was restricted to 2 hours in the US. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa;697488 Wrote: In Uk ireland it was a 3 way contest for time shift recording Philips V2000, betamax and VHS. But then it was content that mattered - wide variety of VHS movies to rent but not other formats. eh hrm should we have p0rn apps to then ;) that was one of the deciding difference ,the p0rn industry adopted VHS -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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well,.. once LMS becomes a reliable DLNA server perhaps? Hahaha -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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andynormancx;697494 Wrote: I had no idea VHS was restricted to 2 hours in the US. That isn't the way I remember it here in the US. In fact, Betamax was initially 1 hour compared to VHS' two hours. Later VHS added 3 4 hour capability. More recording time combined with lower price media (tapes) and lower priced players/recorders plus more selection of titles in video rental stores pushed VHS past Betamax. The porn issue is half true and half urban legend. True that VHS was more eager to license to the porn industry. Legend that such content actually was the tipping point that put VHS on top. It was more of an accumulation of VHS benefits, porn being one small aspect of such benefits, that made VHS the better choice for consumers. http://gizmodo.com/5316722/the-dirty-backstabbing-mess-called-betamax-vs-vhs -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;697500 Wrote: That isn't the way I remember it here in the US. In fact, Betamax was initially 1 hour compared to VHS' two hours. Later VHS added 3 4 hour capability. Can't recall the details, but I know that by the end of my VHS days, I could get 6 hours on a single tape using the lowest quality recording. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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In what way was VHS easier than Betamax ? -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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GreenGrass;696996 Wrote: I find this thread very timely. I have a Boom in a bedroom, a Classic connected to a stereo in my office, and a Duet in my family room. Love them all. However, I have ordered the new Apple TV with hopes of it replacing my Duet. My reasons to move forward are that I have finally given up waiting for Apple to support flac, so I am duplicating my flac library to Apple Lossless so it is friendly with all the Apple stuff I have accumulated (3 iPhones, iPad, etc). Since I will now have an Apple Lossless library, I see no reason than to use it (unless the audio is poor). In looking at the specs, I read that the ATV supports up to 24-bit/48khz. This is the same as the Duet (note that the SBT supports up to 96khz). I currently use the coaxial out of the Duet and will use the optical out of the ATV, so I will be using the same DAC. You can use ALAC with squeezeboxes the server will transcode that it increase the server load but thats all . Do test the atv with a dts (wav or flac containing dts or dd ) file to a home cinema amp if this becomes only white noise the atv is not bitperfect there be some processing somewhere. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
sc53;696939 Wrote: I have been using iTunes for years but would never go to Apple TV or Airport Express instead of using my Squeezeboxes and LMS. Why? The Apple devices, using the digital outs to my DACs, sound like crap. The Squeezebox Classics and Touch that I use sound as good as my CDs in a good player. The OP is not really an audiophile type listener as he admits he doesn't even insist on streaming lossless files. If MP3's sound OK to you, I'm sure Apple devices are fine. Also, my stereo systems are in different rooms from my TV so that is a nonstarter as well. Apple TV is cool for streaming movies but that is all--IMO. As a music player it is merely adequate--like listening to an iPod in your car. Lossy codecs on embedded players is another thing, there are shortcuts made the lack of floating point math for example . Squeezeboxes suffers from this to so they are best used with lossles audio . This is sometimes discovered by users popping in to the forum . On a computer 320kbps mp3 is by all known science indistinguishable to a lossles file, not so on a squeezebox or any other cpu limited player btw . It can sometimes be heard on some material . This is normally not a problem, sitting on the bus with sweaty earbuds in a portable players . But Squeezebox is a corner case here you connect that -kind- of player to a real hifi . The oddjobs being audiophiles ? and using 320kbps mp3 can use server-side transcoding to fix this . or ffs use lossless files :) (there multiple other good reasons beside sq ) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
GreenGrass;696996 Wrote: I find this thread very timely. I have a Boom in a bedroom, a Classic connected to a stereo in my office, and a Duet in my family room. Love them all. However, I have ordered the new Apple TV with hopes of it replacing my Duet. My reasons to move forward are that I have finally given up waiting for Apple to support flac, so I am duplicating my flac library to Apple Lossless so it is friendly with all the Apple stuff I have accumulated (3 iPhones, iPad, etc). Since I will now have an Apple Lossless library, I see no reason than to use it (unless the audio is poor). In looking at the specs, I read that the ATV supports up to 24-bit/48khz. This is the same as the Duet (note that the SBT supports up to 96khz). I currently use the coaxial out of the Duet and will use the optical out of the ATV, so I will be using the same DAC. As I have already stated the only audio outputs on Apple TV are 16bit 48khz and Dolby Digital 5.1 pass through. This is on HDMI and TOSLINK. So 2 channel audio is converted to 16bit 48khz, Dolby Digital 5.1 is passed through transparently. Yes it supports lot's of audio standards, but this just means they are converted! Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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DaveWr;697019 Wrote: As I have already stated the only audio outputs on Apple TV are 16bit 48khz and Dolby Digital 5.1 pass through. This is on HDMI and TOSLINK. So 2 channel audio is converted to 16bit 48khz, Dolby Digital 5.1 is passed through transparently. Yes it supports lot's of audio standards, but this just means they are converted! Dave Yes thats a culture difference apple is all for the just works solution . logitech do try preserve the signal integrity/quality as far as possible transcoding is done to equal formats preserving the bit-perfectness whenever possible and so on . But if you regard that 99% of the user base for an atv would accept any soundquality as long is something comes out of the box a one size fits all solution is prefered by apple any added complexity is not wanted, transcoding -settings- huh ? This is what a just worksgets you -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;697020 Wrote: Yes thats a culture difference apple is all for the just works solution . logitech do try preserve the signal integrity/quality as far as possible transcoding is done to equal formats preserving the bit-perfectness whenever possible and so on . But if you regard that 99% of the user base for an atv would accept any soundquality as long is something comes out of the box a one size fits all solution is prefered by apple any added complexity is not wanted, transcoding -settings- huh ? This is what a just worksgets you To be fair it is a TV product, IMHO it does that really well. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;697020 Wrote: Yes thats a culture difference apple is all for the just works solution . I completely agree with you on this one. The only thing is... I'm sure that 99% of the Squeezebox userbase are also not audiophiles. Sure, look at the questions that are posed ever so regularly on this forum. And that's only from the people that decided to do some research themselves. What percentage of people never even do that? How many people buy a Squeezebox expecting an it just works solution? Those are the very people that will be lured away by the various options (Such as AppleTV) that are becoming available now. Especially when they hit a snag or two with LMS. So, perhaps the question shouldn't be which is better; AppleTV vs Squeezebox.. Perhaps the question should be... which service/technology is society at large ready for. And therefore, the question is really: Which service/technology is perceived as better by society at large Looking at the value of Apple, I would suggest society in general prefers it just works over more options/better quality/more flexibility A great example in the past was the easier (but lower quality) of VHS vs the more difficult (But better quality) of Betamax -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Thanks a lot for all your valuable feedback and suggestions. First thing to note is that we are not talking about objective truth but about personal preferences. What is best for me now might not be the optimal in the future and it might not be your choice. Secondly, I was not asking which device is better as this strongly depends on the previous note. People always tend to defend their own solution to minimize cognitive dissonance. I had multiple discussions with friends explaining the value of my Squeezeboxes while some argued in favor of Sonos or Apple TV. What I really intended with this thread was finding missing arguments for myself. And I got these. Thanks! This is what I've learned from your comments: 1. Hardware form factor: I currently own three Squeezebox Classics. I rarely if ever use the remote but operate these using iPeng. Therefore, in my case it does not make a difference firing up iPeng for Squeezebox or Apple Remote for Apple TV. However, I once had a Boom and interaction with it was different. I used the knobs and buttons. I sold the Boom later on due to lack of real Stereo. The newest devices, Touch and Radio, are appealing with respect to user interaction. (thanks bluegaspode). I consider the display on the Classic as not really being beneficial. My houses rooms are rather large and I cannot read it from most places. 2. Multi-Room setup: While you can stream to multiple AirPlay enabled devices like Apple TV at once, it is not possible to play different tracks on these devices. Synchronization between devices is also poor compared to Squeezeboxes accurate timing. If I had this requirement now as I had in my previous house, I would most definitly keep the Squeezebox setup. 3. The user community: I was wondering why no one explicitly stated this point. I really cannot think of another online communities this helpful and responsive! I finally decided to give up on Squeezebox to simplify my setup. Should my requirements change again in the future my first stop will be at Squeezebox technology again. Naturally a lot of you have commented on my impression of Apple TVs superior sound quality. I would not have believed this myself taken that audio conversion is said to be done technically more accurate on the Squeezebox. First of all I usually do hear slight differences between lossy and lossless formats. Most often it is either that I can hear more instruments with lossless formats (especially at both ends of the hearable frequency spectrum) or that the spatial configuration of sounds/ instruments is better distinguishable. The difference between Squeezeboxes and Apple TVs sound is on another scale. It is also only a slight difference and it concerns the atmosphere of the sound: its fresher, more vivid and better moving. It reminds me of discussions and experience I had when buying good headphones. I could clearly hear the difference very expensive Sennheisers made. But these were not made for me. I felt disconnected from the music. I'm not an analytical listener as I'm doing enough analytics throughout the day. Music needs to move my soul somehow, it is about evoking different kinds of emotion. My statement was all about this. I would not deny that Squeezeboxes rendering might be more correct. And if you are an analytical listener you might hear the same difference but come to the opposite judgement. And here are some notes to questions: * erland: Apple TV can be operated completly without TV if one wishes to by either using AirPlay from other devices or by using the Apple Remote app. You are also free to use your iOS device while streaming. * pski and andynormancx: It took me some time to get used to but with iTunes DJ (and playlists in general) you can decide what to hear next without interrupting the current song. With iTunes DJ you can even compete with your friends or family members on what to hear next if you wish to provoke some bad mood ;-) * pski: With respect to remote streaming you should not exclude iTunes Match. A fairer comparison would be to also exclude dyndns services as well when excluding iTunes Match. However, I don't have a need for either service as my iPhone holds enough favorites for getting a party going as well as enough albums I like to explore. * pippin, verypsb, services: My oldest is also my main device, a 4 years old iMac. I've never had any trouble with any Apple hardware. I had this with Squeezebox Server and I consider myself technically talented as I've done system maintenance and programming for some time (I'm a scientist). It is exactly stuff like weird filename characters, broken iTunes connection or the server going to sleep while playing I was talking about. I've never encountered any unfixable bugs but it took time to fix. I'd like to spend my time for other things. I guess peoples personal experience shapes their attitude. I hated iTunes as well years ago when using it on a Windows machine. * sc53: Audiophile = An individual who is very
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
I also think that if I'd only need one player where the main Hifi is, I would choose whatever there is available on the market (maybe even DLNA stuff). But in the meantime I own three Squeezebox Radios (Bedroom, Kitchen, Bathroom) and I couldn't replace them with Apple stuff anymore, because: well one needs knobs on the devices if there are in different Rooms. (For the same reason also Sonos lacks a lot for me). Also the Boom in the Kids Room is well used to turn on some music when he goes to bed - and I'm very happy, that I don't have to fiddle with some remote to do so (which would just lead to fights over the phone/tablet in the evening). (Sometimes I even enjoy just to put on some fairy tale in the morning remotely, to get 30min more sleep ;) - that wouldn't be possible with any device, that cannot turn on its own boxes). So in the end it all boils down to your environment, and for me Squeezeboxes big advantage over other systems is still their very good multiroom capability but also their form factor. -- bluegaspode Did you know: *'SqueezePlayer' (www.squeezeplayer.com)* will stream all your music to your Android device. Take your music everywhere! Remote Control + Streaming to your iPad? *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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-tm-;696825 Wrote: 2. It just works: Have you ever hestitated installing a new Squeezebox Server release? Waiting for other users on the forum reporting their experience? I have. I had troubles with some updates e.g. with sleep/wake functionality of the server. I took time to fix these. Not so with Apple TV. No maintenance. Nothing to fix. Nothing to configure. I never understand when people say that the Squeezebox system needs maintenance. I only have to fix the Squeezebox system when I messed it up myself, by installing 3rd part plug-ins, pre-release beta's or Windows fiddling. My first update on my iPad 2 had to be done twice. The first time it left the iPAD2 in an unusable state. Not a really good experience, is it? -tm-;696825 Wrote: 1. Sound quality: Apple TV sounds better then Squeezebox. I would have never guessed this. I have fairly good HiFi equipment. Most of my music is either in Apple Lossless (ALAC, which is like FLAC) or 320 CBR mp3 format. Apple TV is connected via HDMI. Squeezebox is connected via optical output. Squeezebox Server runs at highest audio settings. Friends confirmed the difference in audible pleasure. Apple TV sounds clearer, livelier, and has a broader stage for presenting the musicians and/ or sounds. This I just can't believe. It sounds like the demeanour exhibited by some people preferring the bad .mp3 over the better .flac, because that's the soundquality they have come to expect... However, maybe the HDMI on your system is better than the optical SPDIF. -- verypsb ::Please vote::: '::bug 1330:: New music should work on creation date' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330) '::bug 2140:: Allow specification of SlimServer address by DNS Name' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2140) '::bug 9152:: SqueezeNetwork keep track of SqueezeCenter IP addresses' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9152) '::bug 17542:: Albums not credited to Album Artist' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17542) '::bug 17799:: Use a separator such as 'Also appears on' when viewing the albums by an artist' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17799) 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 3x Controller, 2x Receiver, 1x Touch (Hoping for a Boom II Receiver II) verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bluegaspode;696848 Wrote: ...Squeezeboxes big advantage over other systems is still their very good multiroom capability but also their form factor. If only Logitech would understand this too... They don't if you look at their marketing. -- verypsb ::Please vote::: '::bug 1330:: New music should work on creation date' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330) '::bug 2140:: Allow specification of SlimServer address by DNS Name' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2140) '::bug 9152:: SqueezeNetwork keep track of SqueezeCenter IP addresses' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9152) '::bug 17542:: Albums not credited to Album Artist' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17542) '::bug 17799:: Use a separator such as 'Also appears on' when viewing the albums by an artist' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17799) 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 3x Controller, 2x Receiver, 1x Touch (Hoping for a Boom II Receiver II) verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
One big advantage with Squeezebox is LMS. It's the best music server software out there. (No, I'm not kidding) I like to keep everything in one location. Easy to maintain and easy to control. AirPlay works for casual listening but thats it. Other advantages is Display on the player. IR (Harmony, one remote to rule them all). Plugins. And it's so stable that it's almost boring. -- bernt 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3, SB BOOM - Vortexbox@HP SFF iPod Touch\iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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All -TM- would have to add to his set-up is one or two Airport Express base stations (to which you can attach speakers) in order to get multi-room capability. With software available to set up your NAS as an iTunes server, you would also solve the issue of having to have the iMac running in order to use AppleTV or these base stations. Especially if you can use the Apple remote app to control this server. My set-up is becoming more and more Apple too. The reason is simple. Apple creates an eco-system. The more parts of your digital entertainment you integrate into the Apple ecosystem, the easier life becomes. -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bernt;696854 Wrote: One big advantage with Squeezebox is LMS. It's the best music server software out there. (No, I'm not kidding) I like to keep everything in one location. Easy to maintain and easy to control. I actually agree with the above. My problem is that I have a large music library, but I also have an immense movie and tv-programme library. This means iTunes is easier to control it all. Right now I use LMS for all my music-listening needs, but need to switch to iTunes for movies or tv programmes. I'll probably end up at a juncture soon. Either LMS will get very improved DLNA capabilities, Or, I would go the Apple route as described in my previous post. At the end of the day, it makes sense to have one software-package control all your digital media, whatever form it may take. I find it annoying to have to use both LMS AND iTunes. What will probably happen eventually, that I'll go the complete Apple route for my own media, and use the Squeezebox ecosystem for my son and his media -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
-tm-;696825 Wrote: 1. Sound quality: Apple TV sounds better then Squeezebox. I would have never guessed this. I have fairly good HiFi equipment. Most of my music is either in Apple Lossless (ALAC, which is like FLAC) or 320 CBR mp3 format. Apple TV is connected via HDMI. Squeezebox is connected via optical output. Squeezebox Server runs at highest audio settings. Friends confirmed the difference in audible pleasure. Apple TV sounds clearer, livelier, and has a broader stage for presenting the musicians and/ or sounds. So both the Squeezebox and the Apple TV do nothing to the sound as the digital processing is done by your receiver... How then can it be that they sound different??? 2. It just works: Have you ever hestitated installing a new Squeezebox Server release? Waiting for other users on the forum reporting their experience? I have. I had troubles with some updates e.g. with sleep/wake functionality of the server. I took time to fix these. Not so with Apple TV. No maintenance. Nothing to fix. Nothing to configure. Probably it has something to do with really knowing what you're doing and not assuming you know and therefore pushing every button you can find without really thinking: Do/Should I need/alter this or not?. Never had a problem with my squeezebox and squeezeboxserver except for some issues regarding weird characters in filenames... 3. My focus is on listening and enjoying music again: At first sight the possibilities of Apple TV are limited compared to Squeezebox. But do not underestimate the power of iTunes. Smart playlists are wonderful. And even Genius has evolved. However, the most important point is that the lack of endless configuration options is benefitial. You really learn how to use your equipment well. How to use iTunes DJ and the free Remote iOS app. It becomes transparent and what remains is only the music and you. I am primary attracted to music and not to technical configuration and this attraction is satisfied much more by Apple TV. I just hate iTunes, it's a bloated piece of crap software, totally unflexible and only adheres to 1 standard: the Apple standard... I do not know how Apple does it, but streaming rarely affects battery power. I just streamed a 2h HD movie and it took only 2% of battery power. That's simple: your iPhone isn't streaming: It just told your Apple TV at what address it should look for the stream and the Apple TV did the rest. -- servies There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
AnthonioBEL;696856 Wrote: At the end of the day, it makes sense to have one software-package control all your digital media, whatever form it may take. Why? The use cases are very different (listen to music anywhere vs. in front if the TV; view one movie every evening vs. 20 tracks/hour; you watch a movie once a year or so vs. listening to the same music over and over again,), the devices you listen on are different, too, so why do you need to use the same software. The server hardware can still be the same as can be the remote control. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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servies;696857 Wrote: So both the Squeezebox and the Apple TV do nothing to the sound as the digital processing is done by your receiver... How then can it be that they sound different??? I'm not 100% sure, but Apple might apply some compression. It's the same thing as a lot of people preferring mp3 sound as long as they don't know it's mp3. Also: maybe there were volume differences, especially if the SB was not set to 100%. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I find it makes sense (for me) not so much because of the final use (Listening vs viewing) but browsing... For me it's the difference between having to go to one shop to buy/rent movies, then walk up the street for another shop to buy/borrow books, and then walk to yet another shop to buy a music CD versus walking into a superstore/library that has all three... It's a matter of convenience. I like the fact that with iTunes, all my streaming media is in the one library with the one interface. Don't get me wrong. If or when DLNA capability is improved, then that function could just as easily be performed by LMS. -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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But do you find the Apple remote to be so much different than the SB Apps? Maybe you've been using the wrong ones :D -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Haha, no, not much different. Again, it's whether you'd have to use two different remote apps to access different types of media vs just the one accessing all your media. -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
Apple TV outputs stereo audio at 16bit 48K on hdmi and toslink outs. This is independent of file type. Not really good enough Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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DaveWr;696864 Wrote: Apple TV outputs stereo audio at 16bit 48K on hdmi and toslink outs. This is independent of file type. Not really good enough Dave If we are to believe the article + discussion posted here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93990 it would be good enough. No? -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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AnthonioBEL;696865 Wrote: If we are to believe the article + discussion posted here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93990 it would be good enough. No? I also believe that 44.1k 16 bit audio is adequate for music distribution. But I don't however believe that taking a well made file at 44.1k sampling rate and up-sampling it to a non multiple like 48k is benign without great care. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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DaveWr;696866 Wrote: I also believe that 44.1k 16 bit audio is adequate for music distribution. But I don't however believe that taking a well made file at 44.1k sampling rate and up-sampling it to a non multiple like 48k is benign without great care. I don't necessarily expect Apple to do a good job. Dave Even if I had no other issues, if apple TV upsamples my 44.1/16 files to 48k, this would be a deal breaker. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym;696872 Wrote: Even if I had no other issues, if apple TV upsamples my 44.1/16 files to 48k, this would be a deal breaker. +! yes is it not the same with the airports . And wonder how the volume works then ? Of the op can hear the difference that would prove that something is not rigth . op thinks it sound better but it not uncommon to confuse different and better, or actually not prefer the best as in most correct rendering -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym;696872 Wrote: Even if I had no other issues, if apple TV upsamples my 44.1/16 files to 48k, this would be a deal breaker. And here is JA discovering somebody else doing it badly (Roku): http://www.stereophile.com/content/roku-soundbridge-m1001-network-music-player-measurements Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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DaveWr;696881 Wrote: And here is JA discovering somebody else doing it badly (Roku): http://www.stereophile.com/content/roku-soundbridge-m1001-network-music-player-measurements Dave yep, key quote from end: A Roku spokesperson on the Web forum stated that though this design decision makes passing 44.1kHz sources through untouched impossible...we've used a very high quality sample-scaling routine in an effort to make the resampling as good as possible and it should be inaudible. Yes, the SoundBridge does use Analog Devices' respected Blackfin DSP chip, but my experience has been that converting data with a sampling rate of 44.1kHz to one with a 48kHz rate is difficult to do with sufficient precision. It looks as if the Roku's automatic but, in my opinion, unnecessary conversion to 48kHz compromises the audio data's noise floor by introducing mathematical artifacts that I would be surprised wouldn't be audible. Add that corruption of its digital output to its underperforming DAC and analog circuitry, and you can see why I was disappointed by the Roku SoundBridge M1001. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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You are using Apple TV to play music and you've decided what song you want to hear next: how do you accomplish this without interrupting the current song? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Your are now using Apple TV exclusively. You are out-of-town at a friend's house and you want to play some of your CD's and you don't subscribe to Match but you have an Apple TV with you. How do you play your music remotely? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym;696872 Wrote: Even if I had no other issues, if apple TV upsamples my 44.1/16 files to 48k, this would be a deal breaker. I believe that was a typo, all Apple devices usually only do 16/44.1, not 16/48 -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pski;696886 Wrote: You are using Apple TV to play music and you've decided what song you want to hear next: how do you accomplish this without interrupting the current song? You -can- achieve this, if: - you are streaming from you iPhone/iPad to the Apple TV - you are using one of the third party apps that plays from the local iTunes library but allows on the go playlist creation Admittedly that isn't how I'd want to manage my music playback, which is why I have Squeezeboxes ;) -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;696890 Wrote: I believe that was a typo, all Apple devices usually only do 16/44.1, not 16/48 Not true Apple TV2 and Apple TV3 only output stereo audio at 16bit 48k. Totally different to Airport Express. Check Apple support. Or try plugging in a DAC! Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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DaveWr;696892 Wrote: Not true Apple TV2 and Apple TV3 only output stereo audio at 16bit 48k. Totally different to Airport Express. Check Apple support. Or try plugging in a DAC! Dave Oh wow. In this case they really do a lot of sample rate transformation. AirPlay, at least when streaming from an iOS device (iPhone/iPad/iPod) streams 16/44.1, that's the only format iOS devices support internally and I don't believe (again: don't know; I know the only works with 16/44.1 internally thing) they are upsampling on the device so the AppleTV would do that. It makes a lot of sense for a video device to use 48kHz since all the DVD/... formats use that but it means they do modify the sound a lot. And what does this tell us: my theory above holds: artifacts sound good to some people :) -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;696895 Wrote: Oh wow. In this case they really do a lot of sample rate transformation. AirPlay, at least when streaming from an iOS device (iPhone/iPad/iPod) streams 16/44.1, that's the only format iOS devices support internally and I don't believe (again: don't know; I know the only works with 16/44.1 internally thing) they are upsampling on the device so the AppleTV would do that. It makes a lot of sense for a video device to use 48kHz since all the DVD/... formats use that but it means they do modify the sound a lot. And what does this tell us: my theory above holds: artifacts sound good to some people :) Absolutely, it also makes sense from a cost point of view. No DAC, no extra crystals, after all it is a TV Box. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pski;696887 Wrote: Your are now using Apple TV exclusively. You are out-of-town at a friend's house and you want to play some of your CD's and you don't subscribe to Match but you have an Apple TV with you. How do you play your music remotely? You'd use similar wizardry you would have to use to to play your music remotely on a Squeezebox (Touch + usb-stick/hdd excluded). Surely the average user has not set their LMS up so they can stream their own music remotely? -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I have been using iTunes for years but would never go to Apple TV or Airport Express instead of using my Squeezeboxes and LMS. Why? The Apple devices, using the digital outs to my DACs, sound like crap. The Squeezebox Classics and Touch that I use sound as good as my CDs in a good player. The OP is not really an audiophile type listener as he admits he doesn't even insist on streaming lossless files. If MP3's sound OK to you, I'm sure Apple devices are fine. Also, my stereo systems are in different rooms from my TV so that is a nonstarter as well. Apple TV is cool for streaming movies but that is all--IMO. As a music player it is merely adequate--like listening to an iPod in your car. -- sc53 Living Room ~ Touch Benchmark DAC Audio Research CA-2 ProAc D15 Bedroom ~ Boom Kitchen ~ SB3 NAD 747 ATC SCM 12 Listening Room ~ SB3 Electrocompaniet ECD 1 DAC or North Star USB DAC32 BAT VK32SE BAT VK55SE monoblocks Genesis 500 sc53's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8690 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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AnthonioBEL;696900 Wrote: Surely the average user has not set their LMS up so they can stream their own music remotely? You did not answer the question. I asked How? not Why not? Your i holds 600GB of music and can play flac ? To be fair, most of my library is lossless m4a P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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andynormancx;696891 Wrote: You -can- achieve this, if: - you are streaming from you iPhone/iPad to the Apple TV - you are using one of the third party apps that plays from the local iTunes library but allows on the go playlist creation Admittedly that isn't how I'd want to manage my music playback, which is why I have Squeezeboxes ;) You also anticipate 1TB i. If my stuff fit on an APPLE device, I'd still be using the 'boxen. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
I find this thread very timely. I have a Boom in a bedroom, a Classic connected to a stereo in my office, and a Duet in my family room. Love them all. However, I have ordered the new Apple TV with hopes of it replacing my Duet. My reasons to move forward are that I have finally given up waiting for Apple to support flac, so I am duplicating my flac library to Apple Lossless so it is friendly with all the Apple stuff I have accumulated (3 iPhones, iPad, etc). Since I will now have an Apple Lossless library, I see no reason than to use it (unless the audio is poor). In looking at the specs, I read that the ATV supports up to 24-bit/48khz. This is the same as the Duet (note that the SBT supports up to 96khz). I currently use the coaxial out of the Duet and will use the optical out of the ATV, so I will be using the same DAC. -- GreenGrass 1 Duet | 1 Boom | 1 Slim SB3 Main: Vandersteen 2Ce/VCC-2/VCC-1/VSM-1 + Outlaw 990 LFM-1 + Oppo BDP-93 + Bryston Amps + Duet Office: Klipsch Heresy + Bryston BP-20 3B-ST + Adcom Tuner + SB3 Server: iMac GreenGrass's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29191 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
Wait until one of the next iTunes or OSX updates blows away the just works appeal of the Apple setup and you know that versioning issues are not limited to the Squeezebox. I know what I'm taking about. Apart from the Squeezeboxes I have an almost purely Apple setup here these days but I do experience these kinds of issues once your systems grow older and you've seen more than the first release. iTunes is a notorious troublemaker for me as is iTunes match (I do have a decent number of tracks in my iTunes matched library that I've never seen before while almost half of my own library is missing even though it claims everything was uploaded). Today I wanted to stream a YouTube video from my iPad 3 to the TV just to get some weird error message that I did not have a HDMI cable or something was wrong with the cable. I believe what it was trying to tell me is that AppleTV2 doesn't support the resolution I'm trying to stream but who knows, it didn't sound anything like that. I have had more than one case where I downloaded a movie for hours from iTunes just to then learn that for some reason it can't be shown :( But what's worst, AppleTV radiates so much EMV that I lose half of my TV channels once it starts downloading stuff. I could go on about Lion which is a complete dud but want to spare you the rant. Don't get me wrong, I like my Mac and my iThingies it's just that I had to learn over time that their quality isn't better than other people's, it's just that initially everything works out of the box, the problems start with the updates -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
-tm-;696825 Wrote:
I currently have not found enough arguments to keep my Squeezeboxes.
They require attention as most devices do. Attention for maintenance.
Attention for user interaction. My attention is limited. I want to
focus on music and nothing else in this context. Am I missing
something? Thanks for your thoughts. (Note that these arguments might
hold true for pure Mac environments only.)
Main reasons to use the Squeezebox concept to me are:
1. Possibility to have players in rooms where I don't have space for
external speakers and amplifiers.
2. Central display in the middle of the room that doesn't require the
TV to be turned on.
3. Open source solution with support for third party add-ons which
makes it possible for me to fix things if they don't work as I like.
A friend of mine decided to switch to AppleTV and seems happier than he
ever was with the Squeezebox, but he don't have any issues with always
having the TV powered on and he never got any Squeezebox for the
bedroom or kitchen, he just had a Classic for the living room. For
Spotify he is using his iPad and use AirPlay to send it to AppleTV,
works great but it seems to be a little hassle to have to turn on/off
AirPlay all the time when you also want to do other things with the
iPad. Feels a little bit like my living room worked 5 years ago before
I got my first Harmony IR remote and had one remote for each device.
For me it feels like the main arguments to keep Squeezebox would be if
you have a need for players in different kinds of rooms. If I only
wanted a single player in the living room I would probably at least
consider to primarily use an AppleTV instead of Squeezebox. Mixing
Apple stuff with other solutions tends to cause problems because of
their closed strategy that makes it hard for other software to
interact with theirs.
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