Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?
On 2022-01-18 10:59, Antony Stone wrote: Hi. [cut] I'm sure there can be some more positive phrase we can use about init freedom, to emphasise what it _gives_ people, not to emphasise being cautious about the unknown. Thoughts / opinions? Antony. This post set off quite a discussion. o1bigtenor suggsted: Maybe something like "init freedom - - - your first step . . . " Devs discussed the change and agreed that a slightly modified version "init freedom - - - take your first step . . . " was appropriate and it is now on the Devuan site. Thanks to all for the input . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] kernel-update: initramfs fails to find swap
Le 21/01/2022 à 15:45, Florian Zieboll via Dng a écrit : after the latest kernel-update (chimaera, from 5.10.0-10-amd64 to 5.10.0-11-amd64), my desktop's initramfs no longer finds the swap (suspend/resume) partition. Running 'update-initramfs -u' returns the correct UUID "to resume from", and also adding the line resume=UUID= to '/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume' does not solve the issue: Booting stalls for half a minute and then continues with the information that it "gave up waiting for suspend/resume device". I must have missed something in the evolution of Linux because I'm extremely surprised initramfs has anything to do with suspend/resume. For me it was purely a kernel buizness, a mechanism in which all of the memory and registers is dumped to the swap partition. At the time when suspend occurs, the initramfs is already gone forever and, when resuming the kernel restarts the system where it was suspended. -- Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs
On 21-01-2022 21:26, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 02:46:39PM +1100, terryc wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:25:50 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 06:40:13PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 17:24:46, Peter Duffy wrote: On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E Thanks for the link to that - brilliant talk. I've always thought that Brian Kernighan himself was the great communicator in the UNIX group - I wonder whether "The C Programming Language" and "The Unix Programming Environment" would have happened without his obvious ability to take abstruse and difficult material and make it accessible. If I had one incredibly tiny nit to pick, it would be that he didn't mention GNU (it appeared once in the slide showing Linus' original email). Without GNU, it's reasonable to suppose that linux wouldn't have happened. I disagree with "it's reasonable to suppose that". Linus Torvalds was building a system for himself, partly (I believe) because he liked Unix but couldn't afford a Unix system of his own, and therefore he was of course going to build it using as much free (of charge) software as he could. That meant GNU. I think the Unix philosophy and design principles are beautiful, and formed the basis of an amazingly efficient system, but some of those principles are embodied in Linux and some are embodied in GNU (for example, devices as files, and pipes, in the first; and tools such as tr, cut, grep in the second), so these days we can't really separate the two - Linux is nothing without GNU (although the reverse is not true). And don't forget Minix, the system he used while developing his kernel. Didn't Linus start what became Linux because Minix was only 286 capable and was not going to be upgraded and Linux wanted something that would run on 386 cpus. I think there was also a licensing issue involved in modifying Minix. As far as I know, minix came from Andrew Tannenbaum at the Free University of Amsterdam.and maybe also from the students in an OS course. I don't know the details, but it was at one point sold commercially, although its main purpose was for teaching. Whatever the licence then, it seems to have ended up with a sufficiently free licence for Intel to put a copy of it in the management engine in their CPUs for the last decade or so *without informing Tannenbaum*. Tannenbaum was miffed; he said the licence allowed this, but he would have liked to have been informed. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng I still do have the book and floppy disk from the 1.0 version somewhere in storage. At the time it had a restrictive license and I had Sun and HP systems to play with at work so I have not done much with Minix . Later on I moved to Linux and forgot about Minix until I learned that Intel implemented Minix in their processors ME which was a big surprise (Indeed even for Tannenbaum!). Grtz. Nick ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 02:46:39PM +1100, terryc wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:25:50 -0500 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 06:40:13PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: > > > On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 17:24:46, Peter Duffy wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E > > > > > > > > Thanks for the link to that - brilliant talk. I've always thought > > > > that Brian Kernighan himself was the great communicator in the > > > > UNIX group - I wonder whether "The C Programming Language" and > > > > "The Unix Programming Environment" would have happened without > > > > his obvious ability to take abstruse and difficult material and > > > > make it accessible. > > > > > > > > If I had one incredibly tiny nit to pick, it would be that he > > > > didn't mention GNU (it appeared once in the slide showing Linus' > > > > original email). Without GNU, it's reasonable to suppose that > > > > linux wouldn't have happened. > > > > > > I disagree with "it's reasonable to suppose that". > > > > > > Linus Torvalds was building a system for himself, partly (I > > > believe) because he liked Unix but couldn't afford a Unix system of > > > his own, and therefore he was of course going to build it using as > > > much free (of charge) software as he could. > > > > > > That meant GNU. > > > > > > I think the Unix philosophy and design principles are beautiful, > > > and formed the basis of an amazingly efficient system, but some of > > > those principles are embodied in Linux and some are embodied in GNU > > > (for example, devices as files, and pipes, in the first; and tools > > > such as tr, cut, grep in the second), so these days we can't really > > > separate the two - Linux is nothing without GNU (although the > > > reverse is not true). > > > > And don't forget Minix, the system he used while developing his > > kernel. > > Didn't Linus start what became Linux because Minix was only 286 capable > and was not going to be upgraded and Linux wanted something that > would run on 386 cpus. > > I think there was also a licensing issue involved in modifying Minix. As far as I know, minix came from Andrew Tannenbaum at the Free University of Amsterdam.and maybe also from the students in an OS course. I don't know the details, but it was at one point sold commercially, although its main purpose was for teaching. Whatever the licence then, it seems to have ended up with a sufficiently free licence for Intel to put a copy of it in the management engine in their CPUs for the last decade or so *without informing Tannenbaum*. Tannenbaum was miffed; he said the licence allowed this, but he would have liked to have been informed. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] kernel-update: initramfs fails to find swap
On 1/21/22 11:03, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 10:34:28 -0500 tempforever wrote: Something to check/verify: If swap is listed in /etc/fstab, then make sure it is listed by UUID rather than block-id. I mention this, since I have a (commented out) swap line in /etc/fstab Yes, in the fstab, the swap partition is active and defined by (the correct) UUID. You should try the kernel in backports, 5.10.x failed to find my root partition, removing -quiet made it work sometimes, and changing to 5.15 fixed it. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] problem with quemu dnsmasq vs unbound
al3xu5 via Dng said on Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:55:04 +0100 >Please, I would ask for your advices about the situation described >below. > >Excuse me if this could be OT in this list. > >On my chimaera system, I am using unbound as a local recursive caching >DNS (not authoritative) server. More, I have uninstalled dnsmasq, as I >do not need it and want to avoid it interfering with unbound. > >But QEMU/KVM requires dnsmasq to start the 'default' virt network. Here's a data point. My Void Linux physical machine Daily Driver Desktop (DDD) has both unbound and dnsmasq installed, and if there's any interference, I'm not aware of it. = [slitt@mydesk nq]$ time dig @192.168.0.102 masterblaster.com ; <<>> DiG 9.16.22 <<>> @192.168.0.102 masterblaster.com ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 25686 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;masterblaster.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: masterblaster.com. 3600IN A 52.128.23.153 ;; Query time: 228 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.0.102#53(192.168.0.102) ;; WHEN: Fri Jan 21 13:48:40 EST 2022 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 62 real0m0.293s user0m0.005s sys 0m0.008s [slitt@mydesk nq]$ time dig @192.168.0.102 masterblaster.com ; <<>> DiG 9.16.22 <<>> @192.168.0.102 masterblaster.com ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4685 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;masterblaster.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: masterblaster.com. 3590IN A 52.128.23.153 ;; Query time: 0 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.0.102#53(192.168.0.102) ;; WHEN: Fri Jan 21 13:48:50 EST 2022 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 62 real0m0.019s user0m0.004s sys 0m0.005s [slitt@mydesk nq]$ = As you can see, it took 0.3 seconds to look up a domain via recursion. It took 0.02 seconds to look it up in the cache. These timings don't seem inconvenient to me. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs
> >On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched >> the video: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E >> >> It's Brian Kernighan discussing the formation of Unix, starting from >> the back story of the creation of Bell Labs, including predecessors >> CTSS and Multics, and C predecessors BCPL which was modified to >> become B, and why Dennis Richie added types to B to make C. >> >> This video really hits its stride when Kernighan discusses piping and >> redirection, and the ease of creating wonderful things out of small >> parts that, and Kernighan used these words, "do one thing and do it >> well." >> >> I felt like I was watching a fellow traveller who respected >> simplicity, and creating powerful systems from simple tools. It was >> a much needed reaffirmation for a guy who, when he's not with his >> Devuan buddies, endures countless taunts for not using the >> pulseaudio-mandated Zoom, or a Mac, or even Windows. They call me a >> tinkerer, even though my user interface has changed not one bit in >> seven years (Openbox with dmenu and UMENU2). Kind of ironic >> considering the changes their beloved Gnome and KDE have put them >> through during that time. >> >> This video is such a breath of fresh air in a world worshipping >> Gates, Jobs and Poettering. I suggest you watch it. I think it will >> bring a smile to your face. >> >> SteveT >> Peter Duffy said on Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:24:46 + >Thanks for the link to that - brilliant talk. I've always thought that >Brian Kernighan himself was the great communicator in the UNIX group - >I wonder whether "The C Programming Language" and "The Unix Programming >Environment" would have happened without his obvious ability to take >abstruse and difficult material and make it accessible. I doubt whether these things would have happeneed without Brian Kernighan. For a few years, "The C Programming Language" was the C manual and about the only way you could learn C. Years later others wrote books better suited to learning C, but I think "The C Programming Language" remained the manual. > >If I had one incredibly tiny nit to pick, it would be that he didn't >mention GNU (it appeared once in the slide showing Linus' original >email). I noticed that too. He talked about cooperative cultures, and didn't mention Stallman, who rebelled and wrote the manifesto after his cooperative culture broke down. > Without GNU, it's reasonable to suppose that linux wouldn't >have happened. I've said that many times. The fact that (practically speaking) others couldn't profit from selling a contributor's code, thus making the contributor a "sucker", was a powerful incentive in the early days of developers neither selling their code nor getting paid to write their code. The same copyleft that seems intrusive to many of today's developers was the perfect license for the 1990's. I still license some of my stuff GPL2. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] software question
Greetings For a non-profit - - - this is not bulk email for sales - - - - bulk email for connection. Is there a linux program (foss hopefully) that will allow me to do this? (Sending regualr emails to a group of people (from 15 to 50 recipients).) TIA ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] kernel-update: initramfs fails to find swap
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 10:34:28 -0500 tempforever wrote: > Something to check/verify: > If swap is listed in /etc/fstab, then make sure it is listed by UUID > rather than block-id. > I mention this, since I have a (commented out) swap line in /etc/fstab Yes, in the fstab, the swap partition is active and defined by (the correct) UUID. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs
Thank to Steve Litt, thank to all for these discussions. I'm a simple GNU/Linux user, without experience, just a free software lover. I start to know to use PC since 1996. I grew up knowing only '95, only his suites, spending a lot on licenses. I accidentally learned about GNU / Linux from a friend of the IT sector, but I was indifferent anyway. "I had everything", everything was available, why use other systems for more on the command line "? Exacerbated by the dictatorship of licenses, of the obligations to update systems, I began to rebel. Only after 2007 did I begin to get to know this new world and I immediately appreciated it. Freedom, STABILITY, it was like living on another planet. Not having the right mindset for command lines, for syntax, I limited myself to simple program installation commands and so on. Only two years ago I knew Devuan (I only used Debian) casually, reading an article on free software, an article in which they interviewed the italian Veteran Unix Admin, Franco Lanza (nextime), and another world opened up: I was not aware of the systemd big problem and the "poettering philosophy" and this it made me feel bad. I understand that you are on the right side! The soul is to make known, to appreciate freedom, but you find yourself in front of indifferent people who are now used to monopoly. If freedom is not taught by the state, which demands it in institutions, schools, universities, there is little to do. Here, in Italy, the education sector is now in the hands of a monopoly. The Municipality of Venice (Italy), for example, had LibreOffice as its system but, three years ago, it decided to eliminate Libre and adopt the bad monopoly on its intranet. Dejecting. What's the deal underneath? Okay, I've talked a lot, I hope you have had pleasure in hearing a testimony. Good continuation to all and see again :-) Federico Il giorno ven 21 gen 2022 alle ore 12:20 . via Dng ha scritto: > On 1/21/22 06:00, terryc wrote: > > Didn't Linus start what became Linux because Minix was only 286 capable > > and was not going to be upgraded and Linux wanted something that > > would run on 386 cpus. > > > > I think there was also a licensing issue involved in modifying Minix. > > > Minix exemplified Andy Tanenbaum's views on microkernels. Torvalds was > one of Tanenbaum's students, but not so committed to microkernels, so he > took his own approach with Linux. > > Don't know about licensing, but the Minix source code was included as > part of Tanenbaum's book. > > -bobmon > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] kernel-update: initramfs fails to find swap
Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > Hallo list, > > after the latest kernel-update (chimaera, from 5.10.0-10-amd64 to > 5.10.0-11-amd64), my desktop's initramfs no longer finds the swap > (suspend/resume) partition. > > Running 'update-initramfs -u' returns the correct UUID "to resume > from", and also adding the line > > resume=UUID= > > to '/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume' does not solve the issue: > Booting stalls for half a minute and then continues with the > information that it "gave up waiting for suspend/resume device". > > On examining this I noticed, that my block devices are no longer named > persistently: Sometimes the disk comes up as 'sda' and sometimes as > 'sdb', although both internal disks are connected to the same onboard > SATA controller. I am not yet absolutely sure, if the name swap happens > always or randomly - but as I suspect it to be the reason for the > failing swap discovery, which occurs reliably every time I (re)boot, I > assume that it happens with _every_ boot cycle. > > NB: Some days before, I had to replace the system's other hard disk - > but I am quite (g: very!) sure that the phenomenon occurred only and > directly after the latest kernel update mentioned above, as the boot > delay is hard to miss. > > Any hints are very welcome! > > Libre Grüße, > Florian > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Something to check/verify: If swap is listed in /etc/fstab, then make sure it is listed by UUID rather than block-id. I mention this, since I have a (commented out) swap line in /etc/fstab ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] kernel-update: initramfs fails to find swap
Hallo list, after the latest kernel-update (chimaera, from 5.10.0-10-amd64 to 5.10.0-11-amd64), my desktop's initramfs no longer finds the swap (suspend/resume) partition. Running 'update-initramfs -u' returns the correct UUID "to resume from", and also adding the line resume=UUID= to '/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume' does not solve the issue: Booting stalls for half a minute and then continues with the information that it "gave up waiting for suspend/resume device". On examining this I noticed, that my block devices are no longer named persistently: Sometimes the disk comes up as 'sda' and sometimes as 'sdb', although both internal disks are connected to the same onboard SATA controller. I am not yet absolutely sure, if the name swap happens always or randomly - but as I suspect it to be the reason for the failing swap discovery, which occurs reliably every time I (re)boot, I assume that it happens with _every_ boot cycle. NB: Some days before, I had to replace the system's other hard disk - but I am quite (g: very!) sure that the phenomenon occurred only and directly after the latest kernel update mentioned above, as the boot delay is hard to miss. Any hints are very welcome! Libre Grüße, Florian ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs
Thanks for the correction. Here's a Wikipedia link to the "Tanenbaum-Torvalds debate": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate -bobmon On 1/21/22 08:12, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: On 1/21/22 06:00, terryc wrote: Didn't Linus start what became Linux because Minix was only 286 capable and was not going to be upgraded and Linux wanted something that would run on 386 cpus. I think there was also a licensing issue involved in modifying Minix. Minix exemplified Andy Tanenbaum's views on microkernels. Torvalds was one of Tanenbaum's students, but not so committed to microkernels, so he took his own approach with Linux. Don't know about licensing, but the Minix source code was included as part of Tanenbaum's book. -bobmon Nope. Tanenbaum taught at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam, Torvalds studied at University of Helsinki. -- -Robert Montante, Ph.D. Department of Mathematical and Digital Sciences Bloomsburg Universitybobmon AT bloomu DOT edu Bloomsburg, PA 17815prof.montante AT gmail DOT com phone: 570-389-4624 montcs.bloomu.edu/~bobmon/ -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] problem with quemu dnsmasq vs unbound
Hi, On 21/1/22 14:21, al3xu5 via Dng wrote: Good. Thank you. Any need to change the dnsmasq configuration to avoid port conflicts? Or to load the tun module (as suggested by aitor -- Thanks aitor)? I just follow the steps below: 1) Create a qcow image: $ qemu-img create -f qcow2 devuan.qcow2 10G 2) Check the image: $ qemu-img check devuan.qcow2 No errors were found on the image. Image end offset: 262144 3) Run qemu with the following arguments: # qemu-system-x86_64 \ -m 1024 -boot d -enable-kvm \ -smp 3 -net nic -net user -usb -device usb-tablet \ -hda devuan.qcow2 \ -cdrom /path_to_the_image/devuan_amd64.iso At this point you should get something like this: VNC server running on ::1:5900 4) Now, open a new terminal an run (it requires tigervnc-viewer or xtightvncviewer): $ vncviewer :5900 HTH, Aitor ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] problem with quemu dnsmasq vs unbound
Fri, 21 Jan 2022 14:08:26 +0100 - Florian Zieboll via Dng : > On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:55:04 +0100 > al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > > > > > Please, I would ask for your advices about the situation described > > below. > > > > Excuse me if this could be OT in this list. > > > > On my chimaera system, I am using unbound as a local recursive > > caching DNS (not authoritative) server. More, I have uninstalled > > dnsmasq, as I do not need it and want to avoid it interfering with > > unbound. > > > > But QEMU/KVM requires dnsmasq to start the 'default' virt network. > > > > I have seen the dnsmasq-base package should contain a dnsmasq > > executable which cannot be started as a system daemon. > > > > Maybe the dnsmasq-base package a solution? > > > I can confirm that having dnsmasq-base installed is sufficient to start > the network. Good. Thank you. Any need to change the dnsmasq configuration to avoid port conflicts? Or to load the tun module (as suggested by aitor -- Thanks aitor)? Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpC0Alkz97Pt.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] problem with quemu dnsmasq vs unbound
Hi, On 21/1/22 14:08, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:55:04 +0100 al3xu5 via Dng wrote: Please, I would ask for your advices about the situation described below. Excuse me if this could be OT in this list. On my chimaera system, I am using unbound as a local recursive caching DNS (not authoritative) server. More, I have uninstalled dnsmasq, as I do not need it and want to avoid it interfering with unbound. But QEMU/KVM requires dnsmasq to start the 'default' virt network. I have seen the dnsmasq-base package should contain a dnsmasq executable which cannot be started as a system daemon. Maybe the dnsmasq-base package a solution? I can confirm that having dnsmasq-base installed is sufficient to start the network. loading the tun module, maybe? modprobe tun lsmod | grep tun Cheers, Aitor ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] problem with quemu dnsmasq vs unbound
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:55:04 +0100 al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > > Please, I would ask for your advices about the situation described > below. > > Excuse me if this could be OT in this list. > > On my chimaera system, I am using unbound as a local recursive > caching DNS (not authoritative) server. More, I have uninstalled > dnsmasq, as I do not need it and want to avoid it interfering with > unbound. > > But QEMU/KVM requires dnsmasq to start the 'default' virt network. > > I have seen the dnsmasq-base package should contain a dnsmasq > executable which cannot be started as a system daemon. > > Maybe the dnsmasq-base package a solution? I can confirm that having dnsmasq-base installed is sufficient to start the network. libre Grüße, Florian ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] problem with quemu dnsmasq vs unbound
Fri, 21 Jan 2022 13:18:49 +0100 - Antony Stone : > On Friday 21 January 2022 at 12:55:04, al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > > > On my chimaera system, I am using unbound as a local recursive caching > > DNS (not authoritative) server. More, I have uninstalled dnsmasq, as I > > do not need it and want to avoid it interfering with unbound. > > > > But QEMU/KVM requires dnsmasq to start the 'default' virt network. > > Does it really "require" dnsmasq? > > I don't have a Chimaera system here running Qemu/KVM, but do I have a > Beowulf one, and that doesn't run dnsmasq. > > What does "aptitude why dnsmasq" tell you on that machine? dnsmasq is required in order to start the default network: $ sudo virsh net-start default error: Failed to start network default error: Cannot check dnsmasq binary /usr/sbin/dnsmasq: No such file or directory Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgp4oMspIF1t4.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] problem with quemu dnsmasq vs unbound
On Friday 21 January 2022 at 12:55:04, al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > On my chimaera system, I am using unbound as a local recursive caching DNS > (not authoritative) server. More, I have uninstalled dnsmasq, as I do not > need it and want to avoid it interfering with unbound. > > But QEMU/KVM requires dnsmasq to start the 'default' virt network. Does it really "require" dnsmasq? I don't have a Chimaera system here running Qemu/KVM, but do I have a Beowulf one, and that doesn't run dnsmasq. What does "aptitude why dnsmasq" tell you on that machine? Antony. -- What do you call a dinosaur with only one eye? A Doyouthinkesaurus. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] [OT] problem with quemu dnsmasq vs unbound
Please, I would ask for your advices about the situation described below. Excuse me if this could be OT in this list. On my chimaera system, I am using unbound as a local recursive caching DNS (not authoritative) server. More, I have uninstalled dnsmasq, as I do not need it and want to avoid it interfering with unbound. But QEMU/KVM requires dnsmasq to start the 'default' virt network. I have seen the dnsmasq-base package should contain a dnsmasq executable which cannot be started as a system daemon. Maybe the dnsmasq-base package a solution? Or, how to configure dnsmasq just to interact with virtual machines and not with my unbound system on the phisycal machine? Thanks Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- mQINBGA33HkBEADFmx3R2dWhG3Zf2/jwNiUZBtxAJ96bX+JDIdDUHlbmyPVPvi6T hIFPD7AA1m6h3ydA2WkbrwhchJJ/xi3LJF8eWE8mUu2HiVXsn3cC9NwRo7tSlq2Z LqsLrsnBWHNk3Q4cRHolq8/gQvZJ8Z4dd7olhzajNY8sTRB4EXe7vQQ1KI5erEQe S1a6PY1cq8jiNcAQYwl5JrkKQYf3r3ZjCeswx3Fu8D6QU2IZTTBRt0iyZ85wEgiu EgvOfdidmX7EEZ/H1jxMoJH/irNvO6u9iRNuJWzIUR7VLcagckdl60htAgfPvyqJ q/B7BsAs6UmWs0dZ+fX4f69w3L1MQjf0U6KVmjcHwr7pUvNfzN6z/qtVYc0ZH3KI JFMMhlDMu8xXnsM0Xu9tnXa2KT+Mjj9njKkTUb1YLi8OEqHvF05XkK+P9C1EgNW3 PKrPrZDbgs1adXWmqf67Ndxcu9l6aXp3Lcm4ImdOztLVcN09H6z1elD+3Q4iyIP1 SVFOQkZylqXHPISPqbW432lMXrQ+PoOU6z7/COClkbsmfPfoFG9kSDb1f6awSoTU hmC6Dt1ZT471A5KWGzxLZr1amBYAybo5KxdWaCSx+tlx7Gu9EeC8djzox5lQ9kQY 4rVRTy2alVC/OZf+mNdq8DRZgCazEw08Nb2Ti0gJbS/odgI+zr4vNKCB0QARAQAB tCRhbGV4dXMgKEEpIDxkb3Rjb21tb25AYXV0aXN0aWNpLm9yZz6JAk4EEwEKADgW IQSPwjEhKAOG6ffYtiTaUINbJiSjawUCYDfceQIbAwULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgID AQIeAQIXgAAKCRDaUINbJiSjaxaUEACukthCkgxgLwZ51KXUOQWNQu70kZVI/6ZT JrrjfZhQfg4kPfAHxLR2wYFEx9y/kIvLUtEI/tVNjTWi4INCuQuF05+qu73JNPqe ZQLY0bNybiyBtywzxlC0G8MU/UeNrydg7sPaCXDHBbsXDQslLR1ZU4DdQZUWIVLd GD7rBnqGQZUgxzP918dmXCT2eIdZT6dkBZzKAPJh6KL0RYBjlWKvmD7jOkaP+EC/ jIXBXKlQkXyOlLaaYXVUQPREY+doXAgdIhq1SOlgnNZexqcJLUtqZJOBI4GFuaEN 2EQHtJ8MmafPXfAy9ZW/UtYMb1L4AvgGY4G6bWj4PItxdrtCW9Ylzx7EarWYPgzn wRssH64XDRhNe6+1jy8tIpEor/mg//kPCxD1xEObds6jLqc6n4nqrqfLu8DRN30y NmKsQAmv7KiB5T6yjCse5qkNaKaKatBjkL6ZDpIi5EZQke6ArF5H5En81g0sYHH1 tw7pD5NPulLLCasaXyjdyu5oE93dHRSG8nXzVUWvgIhdr2fUOhD2LtOUO0wa03be e3qaMRjmjf5YHX/ciG7IXctuhGCboLp/wEk56bia4+EOXilKI9XmyEjQbR1zblx1 zLDEvCA3MibRqHa4YUf5xqfovENj8kKfhz4AfrRGk0QuWb/xF+36XgxK9zqz38ka remBGY6KcbkCDQRgN9x5ARAA3E/Ro6CCqmvSupoXmVZ1yyDe1EdSce23B4LwatvQ dUrMeVhey7BfSlK3eLpR8yfQLQvO3WOlETRyHRKlJIs14hQXjWZ/zzFU5QI/MBkP EwhfwqtPto0xrOTDyBhdaJsIrajrdR2mYG9UzRL6M4d0HsuSW+cUzhF1fAiVWZM3 p3G8wtcDqoBYu93M4JpSuFOyjpxeeSLOi+WffXkKjF1MLUG07lfoCAdgsaBcsxgY cmvldcSooRNYX7Q+49sKYDj7cIlW2/WqMRNPaqE4YAWg/NxEYS3BqSLlQ9u1QNbF VRIrt1Y+4l9HD15dmVR79/EvtQ23XDSlBtmv+eEQnkLbYaG1THYJsxyEdBEytHLu 7hmkAoY+jCJlduBl26GRXFCOqmOQjXo9IaEUrDs0HY5R+VP3U2JDhqwUXsbg0awY glGHrLiRfhHBIiHImSm/BJCfkYrkgHoxl+XumTPC6XtYs0THv0BtMUlJGUE8rwg+ fLwpemavNxrJKYR3K2/SRlMzLJlIF1uE1JsTGsKyTvEB9IX6I8/4kBLv82WF3tHt foY8kjb8NUhBcqzGDWCPLifktCmiWiKCHUdgceNbA2lGKGJ0eUfrmThQQQVi1Lry FW5aaUY6xZhoZMeh8n3iY4w8Arv+jcO41lZynv2VGeLDEUakkheE7jt1NC1oHmwS PScAEQEAAYkCNgQYAQoAIBYhBI/CMSEoA4bp99i2JNpQg1smJKNrBQJgN9x5AhsM AAoJENpQg1smJKNrFikQAMOfCgHf83HSYoYJ/PSS0fMJeQgiyBDxxulsHynfOp24 tyFBBVNS/6XZ5eoGHVenLLAjST1x62GsZRmz3L19+vbekEDtefC1IeYLWliqd5x/ h2JG6U8NRW24iGdO70Ii9500zsNKkMmQ/4huLHWHvLUvzfLw06/xI3f/8+kyrs/6 o2eWe0U6/u9C5Kiz5wYMt4Ko8vAFZQgX4p7uC7KI/gax3v0mB+cRqpFY/fxPwOlM mtTcDq4Kid+5mGeX8bsb8rgIzjglhW9ojIg+pplx+8LgLesNbU1SMTPyqvpClltc InWyVyj78Gkq9PS2yhVKdmZrlhR8QKc+iDr2+2vv30Z9idA2+siL4HCbYHE4tNdZ 1OM4V5nFYOcBzwj675CcdWxtOxvah7dsSjPX5Pbgy416j5/rgS4l8oP3g+KW9u1F D8ZXNhRH0tPnS+cY0NFKUNp6D2vA67/fCBOD+nkWU/8f7x2Lo1VeDefDlxPiDrp9 k7yk74ZR3xyRKZGP8PMMmBdmrYJqDaylMtC+yIElYoOF6svlokiHueulKzoLZNZC F2q7n8mEIFkyqObsXeQRDpQc+PskGXWcBY/fssE7cnuqWyUb9xGkEvl8V6k83YXP Hp4kKPLhBzoblS+01HEZ4leTkjbW9fIfiyygDlP+8mtxgjCCcfRSRDBXD7eb8Zmo =3LGw -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- pgpR14nl2vukm.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs
On 1/21/22 06:00, terryc wrote: Didn't Linus start what became Linux because Minix was only 286 capable and was not going to be upgraded and Linux wanted something that would run on 386 cpus. I think there was also a licensing issue involved in modifying Minix. Minix exemplified Andy Tanenbaum's views on microkernels. Torvalds was one of Tanenbaum's students, but not so committed to microkernels, so he took his own approach with Linux. Don't know about licensing, but the Minix source code was included as part of Tanenbaum's book. -bobmon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan Chimaera wlan0 delayed start-up
I have an NXP iMX8 system based on a SMARC SoM module from Embedian which was shipped with Debian 11. I have successfully used debootstrap to make a Devuan 4.0 system to get rid of systemd and put the ath10k firmware in /lib/firmware for the wifi card but now the system hangs for around 2 minutes before the card's firmware is loaded after which everything works as expected. root@smarcimx8mq4g:~# dmesg | egrep -i '(qualcomm|ath|qca6174|fail|error)' [ 0.855076] imx-dcss 32e0.display-controller: submodules initialization failed [ 0.894677] spi_imx 3082.spi: bitbang start failed with -517 [ 1.323074] Bluetooth: HCI UART protocol ATH3K registered [ 1.455641] imx-cdnhdmi sound-hdmi: snd_soc_register_card failed (-517) [ 2.807820] ov5640_mipi 1-003c: Read reg error: reg=300a [ 2.943834] ov5640_mipi 3-003c: Read reg error: reg=300a [ 3.296367] galcore: clk_get 2d core clock failed, disable 2d/vg! [ 3.658644] platform regulatory.0: Direct firmware load for regulatory.db failed with error -2 [ 4.011721] *ath10k_pci :01:00.0: enabling device ( -> 0002)* [ 4.018379] *ath10k_pci :01:00.0: pci irq msi oper_irq_mode 2 irq_mode 0 reset_mode 0* [ 4.780757] imx6q-pcie 33c0.pcie: failed to initialize host [ 6.602807] *Qualcomm Atheros AR8035 30be.ethernet-1:06: attached PHY driver [Qualcomm Atheros AR8035] (mii_bus:phy_addr=30be.ethernet-1:06, irq=POLL)* [ 64.558263] cfg80211: failed to load regulatory.db *[ 126.042618]* ath10k_pci :01:00.0: qca6174 hw3.2 target 0x0503 chip_id 0x00340aff sub 168c:3363 *[ 126.052**042]* ath10k_pci :01:00.0: kconfig debug 1 debugfs 1 tracing 0 dfs 0 testmode 1 *[ 126.060652]* ath10k_pci :01:00.0: firmware ver RM.4.4.1.c2-00057-QCARMSWP-1 api 6 features wowlan,ignore-otp,no-4addr-pad,raw-mode crc32 e061250a *[ 126.171270]* ath10k_pci :01:00.0: board_file api 2 bmi_id N/A crc32 20d869c3 *[ 126.275181]* ath10k_pci :01:00.0: htt-ver 3.56 wmi-op 4 htt-op 3 cal otp max-sta 32 raw 0 hwcrypto 1 [ 126.380616] ath: EEPROM regdomain: 0x6c [ 126.380629] ath: EEPROM indicates we should expect a direct regpair map [ 126.380637] ath: Country alpha2 being used: 00 [ 126.380639] ath: Regpair used: 0x6c The "iw list" command does not see anything, until the messages at BOOT+126. I don't know whether the regulatory.db error is relevant, or why it happens as regulatory.db is already in /lib/firmware. (I didn't put it there.) root@smarcimx8mq4g:~# ls /lib/firmware/ ath10k regulatory.db regulatory.db-debian regulatory.db-upstream regulatory.db.p7s regulatory.db.p7s-debian regulatory.db.p7s-upstream___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Question re: security/info sent with emails and more
Thu, 20 Jan 2022 06:32:39 -0600 - o1bigtenor via Dng : > Greetings > > When I look at the headers from my emails and sometimes available > in websites all this information about my system is included. > > Is there a way to block the sending of this particular information? Hi... My suggestions are: - do not use email services like gmail or any other similar stuff... much better to choose a privacy-focused service etc. -- either for free (i.e. tutanota) or also paying (i.e. runbox) - use a good and standardized POP/SMTP/IMAP mail client (avoiding web clients when possibile), which should let you heve full control of email headers... i would strongly suggest claws-mail which has a lot of god features (inclunding customization on headers) Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpovT0l5Y8WV.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
