Re: [DNG] How real is this?

requiring systemd. I would highly recommend installing Funtoo on a fast Qemu VM a coupld times before trying it on metal. With Funtoo, do bare metal backups, because scratch installation is at least a 10 hour affair. HTH, SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

! ! ! / \ _ / \/ / - This is great news. To be honest with you, I was never a fan of we'll keep on forever being Debian but removing their cruft. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

/systemd/system /usr/lib/systemd/system/wacom-inputattach@.service [root@voidlinux ~]# == SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

it just what Jesse said it was, at least for the average user: Not ready. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

adminstration is enough to make me install it. I'd love to learn Busybox init. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment Reply-To:

to an exotic Debian Wheezy video problem, and you can safely ignore it. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi

Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 15:16:21 -0400 Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 01:57:58PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:01:14 -0400 Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net, To:dng@lists.dyne.org, Cc:Bcc:@tupac2.dyne.org wrote: What

Re: [DNG] Packaging (was Systemd Shimss, Init scripts in packages, possibly Mission Creep)

turns out to be a dud. The more stuff the installer does, the more likely it is that your install is a dud. I'm a desktop guy (except I don't use a display manager), and I've always done it this way when given the chance. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st

Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment

assume Devuan), what I described should only be used for troubleshooting purposes. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

* will realize King Lennart has no clothes. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

in that capacity. And yes, I *am* a hypocrit who takes one position in one thread, and then says he'd do the opposite in another. :-) SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 20:03:49 +0200 Teodoro Santoni asbras...@gmail.com wrote: It's true, that's a waste, although very small, to add an if structure. Remains a weak argument: not being clamav a Go project, it has for sure a badly optimized, on the buiding side, codebase, so a config macro

Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment

a couple times, and reboot. HTH, Isaac Dunham Why change ro to rw? SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [DNG] [hai...@histomat.net: Re: Alpha2 without desktop environment]

directory, /usr/share/X11/xorg.c. What happens when you try it after manually creating the directory? SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:51:55 +0200 Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: Le 15/08/2015 02:26, Steve Litt a écrit : On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:49:17 -0700 Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote: On Fri, 8/14/15, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims To: dng

[DNG] Can dracut use vdev?

Hi all, Is there anyone here using dracut on a system that uses vdev instead of udev? Does it work OK? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

use it for. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] non-systemd Linux for newbies with good migration tool?

stated their independence from systemd. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] non-systemd Linux for newbies with good migration tool?

of junk. That being said, IceWM is a *great* window manager. I think the reason I always forget to tout it is this persistant, decade old FUD rumor that it's abandoned. I happily used IceWM for about four years, and loved it. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

functional? SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 16:41:38 +0200 Laurent Bercot ska-de...@skarnet.org wrote: I have never said, am not saying, and probably never will say that systemd is any good. It's not, and Lennart and Kay should go back to engineering school, :s/engineering school/kindergarten/ /* Litt ducks and

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:24:45 +0200 tilt! t...@linuxfoo.de wrote: Steve Litt wrote on 27/07/2015 at 05:18 CEST: You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works without X or window manager. Heck, I'll do it myself

Re: [DNG] automount Was: Re: A better default windows manager

the time, who just wants automounting to happen. There are a million different use cases, and on some of them automounting makes sense. Other times, running a command as a normal user makes more sense. Other times, only someone with root should be mounting. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book

Re: [DNG] sans-dbus: was Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 07:24:10 -1000 Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:39:05 +0200 Michael Bütow mbu...@houtbay.com wrote: I am sure if someone wants to expend the energy to get rid of D-Bus related software in Devuan, they can set up their own

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

#inotifywait_m_e_createdelete_devusb The fact that unfunded Steve Litt, a Troubleshooting Trainer by profession, could do this in an hour, calls into question the necessity of a necessity of devices and systemd needing to know each others' business. inotifywait is Linux only, but I hear there's

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

was actually able to accomplish that with one alternate-initted Manjaro-OpenRC. No dbus. I used oss instead of alsa, and it worked great. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

was give instructions on how a user could run sans-dbus if s/he, doesn't like I, don't like dbus. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

the user perspective is a more stable and lighter Xfce that lacks the ability to have multiple panels. HTH, SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works without X or window manager. Heck, I'll do it myself if more than 20 people want it. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?)

an exhibition no-dbus notification system with about 20 lines of code. Then I forgot the name of the library, and have been looking for it ever since. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

that wayland will require systemd. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] sans-dbus: was Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

Devuan user to get rid of dbus if s/he wants to. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman

[DNG] Thorsten Glaser? was: Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

...@croatiafidelis.hr ? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com I did a lot of work with Gentoo over the weekend, and from my perspective, although Gentoo inits with OpenRC, it seems to default to udev

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

, Arch and Slackware. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] installer options and systemd survey from a non-power users perspective

tend to agree with him. Let's just keep the default editor and SMTP server the same, and move on to the important tasks standing between us and release. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

joe by any chance? After Wordstar on my Kaypro 2x, I used Wordstar keystrokes in the Borland products for years. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [DNG] dng@lists.dyne.org

), they'd have a path to follow. I said nothing about who would make/maintain init scripts, run scripts, Epoch config files, etc. That's a question for much, much later. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21

[DNG] Fw: [ale] ALE-Central Meeting Thursday July 16, 2015 @ 7:30pm

people, we meet for 1.5-2 hours then migrate down the street for adult beverages and food at Melton's app and tap SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 July is systemd month!Love it or hate it, systemd is the new tool

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/). Silly me, I thought eth0 was predictable. I know I can get back eth0 with a kernel argument, but I'm just illustrating how var Gentoo has gone down the systemd path. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

? Here are some docs I wrote on nullmailer: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/nullmailer/ http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/nullmailer/landmines.htm SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21

Re: [DNG] proposed changes: the results

are in the direction to let the user choose, and will be applied on ascii only AFTER the jessie release. Is ascii the set of 7 bit characters where space is 32 and tilde is 127, or does it have a different context in this email? SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http

Re: [DNG] dng@lists.dyne.org

like runit or s6 or Epoch, let users who want Systemd compile and install it extra-distro. If doing so is anything like runit, s6 and Epoch, that's not hard at all. But that's all in the future. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http

Re: [DNG] dng@lists.dyne.org

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:56:00 -0400 Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 09:27:05AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:19:59 +0100 KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote: That wasn't what I was saying at all. I think something got lost in the top

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

in the basic install and always has been. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

make systemd unacceptable. Three strikes and you're out. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 17:29:43 +0200 Joerg Reisenweber reisenwe...@web.de wrote: On Sun 26 July 2015 23:18:58 Steve Litt wrote: You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works without X or window manager. Heck, I'll do

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

be of the required standard. I can implement this, but I need the opinion of others. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Is Jude Nelson OK?

eople: We got more brains. SteveT Steve Litt October 2015 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Alpha2 Build Success

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:16:20 +0200 Jaromil <jaro...@dyne.org> wrote: > finally need now that things are very close to turn beta. * * \ o / \|/ | C O O L / \ _ / \/ / - SteveT Steve Litt Oct

Re: [DNG] Office pack

mmunity is so deaf regarding the need to write to ePub as well as PDF, that I'm dumping it for all new construction, and making my own long-document native format, called Stylz. http://troubleshooters.com/projects/stylz/cheatsheet.htm SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubles

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

nasty response to everything. Then the civil war began. Perhaps Debian was destined to be replaced anyway, systemd or no systemd. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques _

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

was the best way I knew to draw the contrast. But yeah, I knew you didn't mean it in a bad way. I've been called that stuff in a bad way, and the distinction is immediately obvious. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of t

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:20:42 -0500 (EST) Peter Olson <pe...@peabo.com> wrote: > > On November 13, 2015 at 11:05 AM Steve Litt > > <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > > Proud or not, you don't want to assist the systemd marketeers in > > shutting down discuss

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:23:22 -0500 Miles Fidelman <mfidel...@meetinghouse.net> wrote: > > > On 11/12/15 1:54 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:57:19 +0300 > > Mitt Green <mitt_gr...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > "Greybe

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free network-manager package

are understood without researching the whole thread. If I want to say something without reference, I start a new thread. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubles

Re: [DNG] OT: Degree?

get your money's worth. Obviously, all of this is my opinion. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.or

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

ut not least: The first body text currently on http://devuan.org says: "Dear Init Freedom lovers, the Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you!" THAT'S how experience is best portrayed. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Suc

Re: [DNG] Office pack

On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:02:53 +0100 Teodoro Santoni <asbras...@gmail.com> wrote: > I prefer sc as spreadsheet, What's sc? SteveT Steve Litt October 2015 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mai

Re: [DNG] Distrowatch

has had some systemd contemplation. Slackware has been wishy-washy on the subject, from what I hear. When considering one's next distro, some thought must be given to the fact that just because a distro doesn't *currently* use systemd doesn't mean that they won't switch. SteveT Steve Litt Oc

Re: [DNG] Office pack

on occasion made ePubs with Sigil, but long term I'm making my own long-document native format, called Stylz, which hopefully will replace both LyX and Sigil for long documents like books. SteveT Steve Litt October 2015 featured book: Thriving in

Re: [DNG] Distrowatch

On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 20:31:27 +0100 Dragan FOSS <dragan.f...@gmx.com> wrote: > On 11/02/2015 07:00 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > Here are the distros I've heard of that > > have taken an absolute stand not to*ever* default to systemd: > > If I may remind you ... Devuan di

Re: [DNG] Office pack

On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:06:40 -0300 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote: > On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:47:37 -0500 > Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > > > Honestly, if you can run MSWord under Wine, you'll have a better > > word

Re: [DNG] Office pack

yX, LibreOffice and MSWord, stop using settleware like Markdown and MultiMarkdown and all the Wiki languages, and write our long documents in styles-based, easy to type, plain text, with Stylz. That's what I'm aiming for. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

mentation! You should put it on a website somewhere, because the world needs to see this. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mai

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

ightweight, especially if you're the touch typist kind of person. I've installed elinks and found it's wonderful, but I forget which distro I did it on. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist

Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

uot;, "troll", "scared of change", "1985", "demotivating", and "just don't understand." Think how fun that is for the guy who's usually the dumbest guy in the room. And systemd did something for *us* too. It got those clowns out of our

Re: [DNG] Is Jude Nelson OK?

On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:16:56 + (UTC) Jonathan Wilkes <jancs...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Steve,Is it possible to thank Jude for his work without packing > him into a cannon and firing him at Debian? I've done that many times. SteveT Steve Litt October 2015 featured book: Thriv

Re: [DNG] Distrowatch

beeps, it's hardware. Otherwise it was software and you can start from there. You really wouldn't want to start with an erroneous assumption as to whether it's hardware or software: That's the kind of thing that leads to day or week long efforts. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: T

Re: [DNG] busybox

gt; Quoting from the commit: > "systemd people are not willing to play nice with the rest of the > world. Therefore there is no reason for the rest of the world to > cooperate with them." > > More of this please :) I completely agree with this philosophy. SteveT Steve Litt Octo

Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 11:38:14 -0400 richard white wrote: > All, > > A detailed technical treatise of systemd > http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ > > -Rich Hi Rich, First, this is the guy who early on made the "uselessd" supposed knockoff of the Init part

Re: [DNG] upgrade 16/10/2015 xorg fails to start

On half the distros on the planet, if you want X to work you need to suid /usr/bin/X*. SteveT On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 10:19:28 +0200 aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Rob, > > By default, Devuan uses the seventh tty for X sessions. The permision > is denied because xserver-xorg is not

Re: [DNG] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space

quot; Then, when the fanboy starts talking smack about Epoch, runit, s6, nosh, perp, and the like, you can slaughter him with facts, because *you* are the person who's actually used them. SteveT Steve Litt October 2015 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thr

Re: [DNG] Printing

On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 11:52:05 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > I recall a long and spirited discussiio here a while ago about how > easy and simple it is to do printing, and that CUPS is a bloated > incomprehensible system that just makes it all complicated, I decided > test

Re: [DNG] Alternative for ARM processors

; mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng I think Void Linux has a no-systemd version for ARM. SteveT Steve Litt October 2015 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

agree with The Caveman and would phrase it a little differently: We're all in this to bestow and gain information. To the extent that our communications are unambiguous, we will be efficient in bestowing and gaining information. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:04:27 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no wrote: Steve Litt writes: Context? Who said anything about fifty? T.J. Duchene about a half-hour before my posting, I think. Ah, sorry, that explains it, I don't receive his emails. Anyway, I'd consider

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

and network I/O. There is a limit to how many processes one can run on a single server without overstraining the scheduler, but fifty isn't it. Arnt Context? Who said anything about fifty? SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free network-manager package

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 09:20:20 -0500 Brian Nash <bcn...@gmail.com> wrote: > wicd is an excellent network manager that includes a KDE GUI: > > # apt-get install wicd-kde And wicd is what Devuan (or at least Devuan Xfce) uses right out of the box. And it works well. Ste

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free network-manager package

least on my daily driver desktop. But I would *never* expect my distro to supply me a dbus-less computer: dbus has already been integrated into too much stuff to back out. I can easily run dbusless. Until I run any kind of GUI program, then that all goes out the window. Gotta love that Freedesktop.

Re: [DNG] dbus, Was Re: Systemd-free network-manager package

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 20:20:49 +0300 Mitt Green <mitt_gr...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I think ‎he should change his name to > Lennart Cluttering. Hey man, be careful of wisecracks like that. I almost broke a rib laughing. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshootin

Re: [DNG] dbus, Was Re: Systemd-free network-manager package

n on the > same computer. Everybody ordering around everybody else's soldiers. What could POSSIBLY go wrong? SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshoot

[DNG] Where to find the latest Devuan that runs under Qemu?

Hi all, I know this was asked and answered once before, but 1/2 hour of searching my archives couldn't find it. Where can I find and download the latest Devuan capable of being run on Qemu (I assume this means an ISO, unless someone knows another way to do it). Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt

Re: [DNG] automount Was: Re: A better default windows manager

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:58:14 +0200 Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-08-25 at 17:29 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: On Sun 26 July 2015 23:18:58 Steve Litt wrote: You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

requires root privileges? SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] automount Was: Re: A better default windows manager

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:58:14 +0200 Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-08-25 at 17:29 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: On Sun 26 July 2015 23:18:58 Steve Litt wrote: You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

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Re: [DNG] Where to find the latest Devuan that runs under Qemu?

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 21:51:32 -0400 fsmithred fsmith...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/27/2015 08:47 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:23:43 -0400 fsmithred fsmith...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/27/2015 09:38 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Where can I find and download the latest Devuan capable

Re: [DNG] Where to find the latest Devuan that runs under Qemu?

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:59:09 -0700 Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote: On Thu, 8/27/15, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Where to find the latest Devuan that runs under Qemu? To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Thursday, August 27, 2015, 7:47 PM Another interest

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

the systemd cabal, so I can hire good programmers, and I'll make it work efficiently without breaking Linux and entangling everything. Back to sane desktop linux, basically, we could run a panel with Openbox, and if either Openbox or the panel get poetterized, we can fork. SteveT Steve Litt August

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

cases. If the Redhats want to make a parallel thing, fine. But don't contaminate su, and don't fix it so programs that used to work with su now only work with PoetterPermissions or whatever it's called. It's called halloween code for a reason. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

execuables with (almost) equivalents? Didn't think so, and that's the whole point. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

is for servers only. So will I. Bad architecture is something I don't want on my possessions, whether server, desktop or sewing machine. Because unlike the chumps shelling out money for Red Hat support, I fix my own stuff. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

that su is depricated. But leave su functional for those who make the choice to use it! SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 18:05:47 -0500 Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: * On 2015 29 Aug 16:14 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: Yeah, that isn't a problem, and shouldn't be a problem. Interestingly, in my LUG, the most pro-systemd guys are the mega-metal admins administering hundreds of boxes

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

miss it when it's gone. I use it every day. Sometimes I need a root xterm. Now my mama didn't raise no fool, I run X as slitt, not as root. So when I need a root xterm, I run xterm, then run su -. No problem. For now. But Red Hat's working to make it a problem. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:39:28 +0100 Rainer Weikusat rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com wrote: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 02:20:41 +0200 Laurent Bercot ska-de...@skarnet.org wrote: On 29/08/2015 23:11, Steve Litt wrote: in my LUG, the most pro-systemd

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

money consulting a simple OS that any admin can admin. Follow the money. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

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