Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2, Getting Started Guide, Chapter 3
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:50:42 +1000 Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: I have edited and added to Martin's updates. Some questions remain for others to address; comments in file. Some research will be required. Also, someone else might notice other things that I missed but need to be updated. File is here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/feedback-lo4.2/gs4-2-ch3-styles-templates/view --Jean I've added my tuppence-worth and put it into the feedback folder. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2, Getting Started Guide, Chapter 3
Hi, I've noticed also these: Page 6: Figure 1 shows the window for Writer, with Page Styles visible. - Figure 1 shows the window for Writer, with Paragraph Styles visible. Page 15: 2) Navigate to the template that you want to edit. Click once on it to activate the file handling controls (see Figure 1). Click Edit. The template opens in LibreOffice. Incorrectt reference to Figure 1. Should be (perhaps) Figure 7 Btw, LO 4.2.0.3 crashes on opening templates for editing. I've just submitted a bug report: https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=74148 best Milos Dňa 2014-01-28 02:50, Jean Weber wrote / napísal(a): I have edited and added to Martin's updates. Some questions remain for others to address; comments in file. Some research will be required. Also, someone else might notice other things that I missed but need to be updated. File is here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/feedback-lo4.2/gs4-2-ch3-styles-templates/view --Jean On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:02 AM, Martin Saffron martinsaff...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I've uploaded an edited draft of GS4202. In this version, I've made the all of the changes listed on the User Guide Tasks page (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks). The draft can be found here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.2/gs4203-stylesandtemplates/view I've also uploaded all the screen captures I have used. They can be found here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/gs4201-3-screen-captures/screen_captures/view These images were captured from LO4.2 beta2 running on Windows 8.1 and were exported to PNG format using the GIMP. Window borders have been cropped. If I have time this week, I will continue noting the changes introduced in LO4.2 and updating the User Guide Tasks page. Regards, Martin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Milos Sramek, msrame...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2, Getting Started Guide, Chapter 3
I have edited and added to Martin's updates. Some questions remain for others to address; comments in file. Some research will be required. Also, someone else might notice other things that I missed but need to be updated. File is here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/feedback-lo4.2/gs4-2-ch3-styles-templates/view --Jean On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:02 AM, Martin Saffron martinsaff...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I've uploaded an edited draft of GS4202. In this version, I've made the all of the changes listed on the User Guide Tasks page (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks). The draft can be found here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.2/gs4203-stylesandtemplates/view I've also uploaded all the screen captures I have used. They can be found here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/gs4201-3-screen-captures/screen_captures/view These images were captured from LO4.2 beta2 running on Windows 8.1 and were exported to PNG format using the GIMP. Window borders have been cropped. If I have time this week, I will continue noting the changes introduced in LO4.2 and updating the User Guide Tasks page. Regards, Martin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2 Getting Started Guide, Chapter 1
I have made further edits to MartinS's revisions to Version 4.2 Getting Started Guide, Chapter 1. PeterS is replacing some screenshots to match others in the chapter. We'll let you know when it's done. --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2, Getting Started Guide, Chapter 3
Hello I've uploaded an edited draft of GS4202. In this version, I've made the all of the changes listed on the User Guide Tasks page (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks). The draft can be found here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.2/gs4203-stylesandtemplates/view I've also uploaded all the screen captures I have used. They can be found here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/gs4201-3-screen-captures/screen_captures/view These images were captured from LO4.2 beta2 running on Windows 8.1 and were exported to PNG format using the GIMP. Window borders have been cropped. If I have time this week, I will continue noting the changes introduced in LO4.2 and updating the User Guide Tasks page. Regards, Martin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2 Getting Started Guide, Chapter 2
Hello I've uploaded an edited draft of GS4202. The draft can be found here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.2/gs4202-settinguplibreoffice/view In this version, I've made the most of the changes that are listed on the User Guide Tasks page (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks). LO4.2 appears to introduce options for finer control over English language checking. A series of check-boxes can be found under Options/Language Settings/English Sentence Checking which appear to enable toggling of particular grammar, punctuation and conversion corrections. On my installation (LO4.2 beta2 on Windows 8.1) they appear to do nothing at all. I briefly tested all the options and, with the exception of the 'Extra Spaces' check-box, they had no effect at all on corrections (both with free-typing auto-corrections and when the 'Spelling and Grammar' was invoked from the 'Tools' menu). I wonder if they are currently experimental. As such, I have been unable to fully complete the draft for GS4202 and have left space (commented in the draft) for an explanation of these options. I will edit and upload a draft for chapter 3 when I get some spare time during the week. Regards, Martin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2 Getting Started Guide
Hello I've uploaded an edited draft of GS4201, this time using the most recent, translation-friendly GS4001 file as a starting point. The draft can be found here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.2/gs4201-introducing-libreoffice/view In this version, I've made the same changes that were made in the earlier draft and have also updated screen captures for Figure 1 and Figure 10. These images were captured from LO4.2 beta2 running on Windows 8.1. I've cropped window borders to make them more OS-neutral. They were exported to PNG format and can be uploaded if required. I've marked my initials on the User Tasks Guide (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.2) for chapter 1. If I get time over the weekend I will edit and upload chapters 2 and 3. Regards, Martin On 29/12/13 21:02, Jean Weber wrote: Thanks for this work, Martin. I've just had a quick look at your additions to the User Guide Tasks page, which are just what we need. I just hope other people pay attention to them, as well as doing their own reviewing, when updating the chapter files. If you, or anyone else, want to start doing updates to the chapter files, you can use the 4.0 files from here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/published-lo-4.0 or from here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#Getting_Started_with_LibreOffice Both sets have had Milos's style cleanups applied. Please put the edited files here (as you did for chapter 1): http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.2 --Jean On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Martin Saffron martinsaff...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I've recently had time to look at sections of the Getting Started guide with a view to updating it to the LO 4.2 branch. I've taken a look at the first three chapters (of the most recent published versions edited by Jean) and noted the changes brought about in the Windows 8.1 version of LO 4.2 beta 2. I did not edit any of the guides directly and upload them as I was unsure whether to edit the recent versions published by Jean or to make edits to the auto-formatted versions submitted to the mailing list by Milos. There is also the fact that the stable LO 4.2 release may introduce further changes. Instead, I've made a detailed list of the aspects that will need updating upon release of LO 4.2 and noted some of them here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks Unfortunately, in submitting the form (as a test) before adding all the notes, I have been throttled so am unable to make further changes until the anti-spam time limit expires. I have attached an ODT file containing all the changes so perhaps someone can update the page on my behalf. I'll continue looking at the Getting Started guide when I get time (leaving chapters 4, 6, 7 and 8 as noted on the User Guide tasks page above). Merry Christmas, Martin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2 Getting Started Guide
Thanks for this work, Martin. I've just had a quick look at your additions to the User Guide Tasks page, which are just what we need. I just hope other people pay attention to them, as well as doing their own reviewing, when updating the chapter files. If you, or anyone else, want to start doing updates to the chapter files, you can use the 4.0 files from here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/published-lo-4.0 or from here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#Getting_Started_with_LibreOffice Both sets have had Milos's style cleanups applied. Please put the edited files here (as you did for chapter 1): http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.2 --Jean On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Martin Saffron martinsaff...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I've recently had time to look at sections of the Getting Started guide with a view to updating it to the LO 4.2 branch. I've taken a look at the first three chapters (of the most recent published versions edited by Jean) and noted the changes brought about in the Windows 8.1 version of LO 4.2 beta 2. I did not edit any of the guides directly and upload them as I was unsure whether to edit the recent versions published by Jean or to make edits to the auto-formatted versions submitted to the mailing list by Milos. There is also the fact that the stable LO 4.2 release may introduce further changes. Instead, I've made a detailed list of the aspects that will need updating upon release of LO 4.2 and noted some of them here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks Unfortunately, in submitting the form (as a test) before adding all the notes, I have been throttled so am unable to make further changes until the anti-spam time limit expires. I have attached an ODT file containing all the changes so perhaps someone can update the page on my behalf. I'll continue looking at the Getting Started guide when I get time (leaving chapters 4, 6, 7 and 8 as noted on the User Guide tasks page above). Merry Christmas, Martin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2 Getting Started Guide
Hi Martin, Dňa 2013-12-21 18:05, Martin Saffron wrote / napísal(a): I did not edit any of the guides directly and upload them as I was unsure whether to edit the recent versions published by Jean or to make edits to the auto-formatted versions submitted to the mailing list by Milos. There is also the fact that the stable LO 4.2 release may introduce further changes. you can take the version, which is on the web. Once the 4.2 version is finished, I woud like to have a look at its formatting again. best wishes Milos -- Milos Sramek, msrame...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2 Getting Started Guide
Hello I've recently had time to look at sections of the Getting Started guide with a view to updating it to the LO 4.2 branch. I've taken a look at the first three chapters (of the most recent published versions edited by Jean) and noted the changes brought about in the Windows 8.1 version of LO 4.2 beta 2. I did not edit any of the guides directly and upload them as I was unsure whether to edit the recent versions published by Jean or to make edits to the auto-formatted versions submitted to the mailing list by Milos. There is also the fact that the stable LO 4.2 release may introduce further changes. Instead, I've made a detailed list of the aspects that will need updating upon release of LO 4.2 and noted some of them here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks Unfortunately, in submitting the form (as a test) before adding all the notes, I have been throttled so am unable to make further changes until the anti-spam time limit expires. I have attached an ODT file containing all the changes so perhaps someone can update the page on my behalf. I'll continue looking at the Getting Started guide when I get time (leaving chapters 4, 6, 7 and 8 as noted on the User Guide tasks page above). Merry Christmas, Martin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2 Getting started guide, Chapter 1
Hi, please, read below. Dňa 2013-12-08 01:01, Jean Weber wrote / napísal(a): On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Milos Sramek sramek.mi...@gmail.com wrote: Dňa 2013-12-07 02:30, Jean Weber wrote / napísal(a): please, do not use that old version, because meanwhile I've created a new one: http://ubuntuone.com/0wKYgmWPo7jM03xNeUXqSU. What is different or new in your new version? I have already gone through the earlier version and found and corrected some things that I had not noticed before. The difference between the old and new clean is that I've improved the clean up. It influenced about 5-10 sentences per chapter in comparison to the old version. Also, the clean files have incorrect outline heading levels; they have the ones for a *book* file, not a *chapter* file, so the tables of contents are wrong if you update them in a chapter. And the clean files have incorrect spacing of the chapter title, because they are using the spacing for a book file, not a chapter file. I fixed these things too. It seems that the TOC problem was introduced by my manual editing (no idea how, I've just changed the directly formatted text to styles and did not do anything with section styles) and not by the script (it modifies only content of paragraphs). So, I've rerun the script on the fresh files. Afterwards, I've visually compared the files and updated the TOC (without saving). I did not observe any differences - the modified files can be downloaded from here: http://ubuntuone.com/5tbEhRZsEm56kPfKjx7stK I will help, of course. I can clean up also other guides - just let me know where to start. Writer Guide, please. Ok, I've just returned from a hospital after a small hearth surgery and should stay for a week at home. So I have plenty of time :D. We are working on a new template. Our plan is to use the built-in styles as much as possible, so we plan to replace all the OOo-styles and LO-styles if we can. Several translators have asked for this change, and I think it will help when exporting to ePUB and other formats. Will this also be better for your use? Or do you think it might cause problems for you? Any formatting of this kind is OK, except for 'default' styles, as OOoDefault - instead, one should rely on the default paragraph style. The problems are caused by direct formatting and by its removing. This is a typical example: Original: f0Use /f0f1f2File /f2/f1f3f4/f4/f3f5f6 Wizards/f6/f5f7 /f7f8on the main menu bar a/f8f9nd /f9f10select/f10f11 the type of document /f11f12from the context menu./f12 Here, f0.../f0 are placeholders, by which OmegaT simplifies the text for translation. These stand for, for example text:span text:style-name=T123.../text:span. In this segment only f2 is useful, which stands for OOoMenuPath. Obviously, this is untranslatable, since one should keep the tags. After clean up, the same segment looks like this: Use f0File Wizards/f0 on the main menu bar and select the type of document from the context menu. best Milos -- email jabber: sramek.mi...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2 Getting started guide, Chapter 1
Dňa 2013-12-07 02:30, Jean Weber wrote / napísal(a): Milos, my apologies for not paying more attention to your earlier note and replying then. I am now downloading your cleaned files, which should indeed be VERY helpful to us and save us a lot of work. I'll put them on the ODFAuthors site and let the team know to use them as the starting point when updating the Getting Started book. Dear Jean, thank you for you kind answer. However, please, do not use that old version, because meanwhile I've created a new one: http://ubuntuone.com/0wKYgmWPo7jM03xNeUXqSU. Do you plan to clean up other books as well? I will help, of course. I can clean up also other guides - just let me know where to start. What I did was in fact quite simple. I've just changed the direct bold to either OOoStrongEmphasis or OOoMenuPath (by guessing which one) and similarly italics to OOoEmphasis of OOoKeyStroke and then run the script. Maybe, more shoud be done than this, for example there are two sets of styles defined now - the OOo styles and the LO styles. It would perhaps not be bad if each author would use character styles with differently colored background - in that case incorrect formating would be immediately visible. best Milos PS: The cleanup in fact was done in 4 steps: 1. Set different background colors to the most important character styles (OOoMenuPath, OOoStrongEmphasis, OOoEmphasis and OOoKeyStroke, ...), so that one can see what is improperly formatted 2. Manual change of the directly formatted text to styles. Sometimes even whole paragraphs were formatted as OOoMenuPath, but redefined to default text. 3. Cleanup of the content.xml file using a python script. The reason why this step was necessary was, that LO keeps the structure of manual formating even if it is removed - it only changes it to a special style, which does not do any formating at all. There were hundreds of these special styles defined (labeled Txxx) - that was the reason, why the text was not translatable by OmegaT (too many tags, even within words). The script removes these styles and also the OOoDefault style (this was not used very often, but caused similar problems in OmegaT as the Txxx styles). The cleanup is not perfect, but the text is translatable by OmegaT now. 4. Comparison of the modified document with the original using the standard LO tool. It compares only content - no changes were observed --Jean On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Milos Srameksramek.mi...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Martin, as I have already informed on the libreoffice-documentation list, we currently translate the Getting started guide to Slovak. Currently, about 50% of the text is translated. We decided to use OmegaT for translation, since it should enable, thanks to its translation memory, translate new guides using the old translated guides. We decided to do that this way, since we expected that one day somebody will start with the 4.2 version :). The problem with the guide is, that the text is really poorly formatted - it uses a lot of useless direct formatting, which probably reflects its long history. Thus, in the original form it is not translatable by OmegaT. To do that, we had to clean the formatting, which took us tens of hours. Since CTRM-M does not in fact clear direct formatting, the work was done partially manually and partially by a script on the XML level. I've sent a message about that to the list a few months ago, unfortunately with no reaction: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/msg16573.html In the cleaned version all formating is done by means of styles - there is no direct formating used. Otherwise, the documents are identical. If you use the cleaned version, it would enable to me, and also to other translators, to move smoothly to 4.2 - something which is otherwise not possible. I will be happy to send to you the cleaned version - that one referred to in my older post is not actual anymore. Best Milos Dňa 2013-12-06 20:02, Martin Saffron wrote / napísal(a): Hello I've started to look at sections of the Getting Started guide with a view to updating it to the 4.2x branch. I've made minor, preliminary edits to GS4001 and uploaded the chapter to the ODF Authors site for review and comment. It can be found here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.2/gs4201-introducing-libreoffice/at_download/file I've identified a few aspects that may need updating upon release of LO 4.2 and noted them in the document. I also tried to note them at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.2, but it appears that I'm unable to save changes. Time permitting, I will continue through the Getting Started guide (skipping the chapters 4,6,7 and 8). Regards, Martin -- Milos Sramek,msrame...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2 Getting started guide, Chapter 1
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Milos Sramek sramek.mi...@gmail.com wrote: Dňa 2013-12-07 02:30, Jean Weber wrote / napísal(a): please, do not use that old version, because meanwhile I've created a new one: http://ubuntuone.com/0wKYgmWPo7jM03xNeUXqSU. What is different or new in your new version? I have already gone through the earlier version and found and corrected some things that I had not noticed before. Also, the clean files have incorrect outline heading levels; they have the ones for a *book* file, not a *chapter* file, so the tables of contents are wrong if you update them in a chapter. And the clean files have incorrect spacing of the chapter title, because they are using the spacing for a book file, not a chapter file. I fixed these things too. I can do all of this again if necessary, if the new set of clean files has important changes in it. Do you plan to clean up other books as well? I will help, of course. I can clean up also other guides - just let me know where to start. Writer Guide, please. What I did was in fact quite simple. I've just changed the direct bold to either OOoStrongEmphasis or OOoMenuPath (by guessing which one) and similarly italics to OOoEmphasis of OOoKeyStroke and then run the script. Maybe, more shoud be done than this, for example there are two sets of styles defined now - the OOo styles and the LO styles. We are working on a new template. Our plan is to use the built-in styles as much as possible, so we plan to replace all the OOo-styles and LO-styles if we can. Several translators have asked for this change, and I think it will help when exporting to ePUB and other formats. Will this also be better for your use? Or do you think it might cause problems for you? --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2 Getting started guide, Chapter 1
Hello I've started to look at sections of the Getting Started guide with a view to updating it to the 4.2x branch. I've made minor, preliminary edits to GS4001 and uploaded the chapter to the ODF Authors site for review and comment. It can be found here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.2/gs4201-introducing-libreoffice/at_download/file I've identified a few aspects that may need updating upon release of LO 4.2 and noted them in the document. I also tried to note them at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.2, but it appears that I'm unable to save changes. Time permitting, I will continue through the Getting Started guide (skipping the chapters 4,6,7 and 8). Regards, Martin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2 Getting started guide, Chapter 1
Dear Martin, as I have already informed on the libreoffice-documentation list, we currently translate the Getting started guide to Slovak. Currently, about 50% of the text is translated. We decided to use OmegaT for translation, since it should enable, thanks to its translation memory, translate new guides using the old translated guides. We decided to do that this way, since we expected that one day somebody will start with the 4.2 version :). The problem with the guide is, that the text is really poorly formatted - it uses a lot of useless direct formatting, which probably reflects its long history. Thus, in the original form it is not translatable by OmegaT. To do that, we had to clean the formatting, which took us tens of hours. Since CTRM-M does not in fact clear direct formatting, the work was done partially manually and partially by a script on the XML level. I've sent a message about that to the list a few months ago, unfortunately with no reaction: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/msg16573.html In the cleaned version all formating is done by means of styles - there is no direct formating used. Otherwise, the documents are identical. If you use the cleaned version, it would enable to me, and also to other translators, to move smoothly to 4.2 - something which is otherwise not possible. I will be happy to send to you the cleaned version - that one referred to in my older post is not actual anymore. Best Milos Dňa 2013-12-06 20:02, Martin Saffron wrote / napísal(a): Hello I've started to look at sections of the Getting Started guide with a view to updating it to the 4.2x branch. I've made minor, preliminary edits to GS4001 and uploaded the chapter to the ODF Authors site for review and comment. It can be found here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.2/gs4201-introducing-libreoffice/at_download/file I've identified a few aspects that may need updating upon release of LO 4.2 and noted them in the document. I also tried to note them at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.2, but it appears that I'm unable to save changes. Time permitting, I will continue through the Getting Started guide (skipping the chapters 4,6,7 and 8). Regards, Martin -- Milos Sramek, msrame...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2 Getting started guide, Chapter 1
Milos, my apologies for not paying more attention to your earlier note and replying then. I am now downloading your cleaned files, which should indeed be VERY helpful to us and save us a lot of work. I'll put them on the ODFAuthors site and let the team know to use them as the starting point when updating the Getting Started book. Do you plan to clean up other books as well? --Jean On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Milos Sramek sramek.mi...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Martin, as I have already informed on the libreoffice-documentation list, we currently translate the Getting started guide to Slovak. Currently, about 50% of the text is translated. We decided to use OmegaT for translation, since it should enable, thanks to its translation memory, translate new guides using the old translated guides. We decided to do that this way, since we expected that one day somebody will start with the 4.2 version :). The problem with the guide is, that the text is really poorly formatted - it uses a lot of useless direct formatting, which probably reflects its long history. Thus, in the original form it is not translatable by OmegaT. To do that, we had to clean the formatting, which took us tens of hours. Since CTRM-M does not in fact clear direct formatting, the work was done partially manually and partially by a script on the XML level. I've sent a message about that to the list a few months ago, unfortunately with no reaction: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/msg16573.html In the cleaned version all formating is done by means of styles - there is no direct formating used. Otherwise, the documents are identical. If you use the cleaned version, it would enable to me, and also to other translators, to move smoothly to 4.2 - something which is otherwise not possible. I will be happy to send to you the cleaned version - that one referred to in my older post is not actual anymore. Best Milos Dňa 2013-12-06 20:02, Martin Saffron wrote / napísal(a): Hello I've started to look at sections of the Getting Started guide with a view to updating it to the 4.2x branch. I've made minor, preliminary edits to GS4001 and uploaded the chapter to the ODF Authors site for review and comment. It can be found here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.2/gs4201-introducing-libreoffice/at_download/file I've identified a few aspects that may need updating upon release of LO 4.2 and noted them in the document. I also tried to note them at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.2, but it appears that I'm unable to save changes. Time permitting, I will continue through the Getting Started guide (skipping the chapters 4,6,7 and 8). Regards, Martin -- Milos Sramek, msrame...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted