Re: [DX-CHAT] Those scaffolds
They do seem like an impressive job. Just thinking back to 1995 for a moment, didn't the ARRL disallow the first BS7 expedition because the operators had artificially created land above high water with scaffolds - and then the second operation was allowed because they perched on the rocks? Or did I get that wrong. I wonder if they built nests and laid any eggs? :-) Dave G0OIL Gary Danaher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody else has mentioned this so I feel the need. How did those guys get those platforms erected so quickly? They appear to be quite sturdy. Wonder if they borrowed somebody's back yard, had a dump truck full of rocks dropped off, and practiced doing this a few times. Ya' know this wasn't very easy, even if they were able to wade hip deep next to the rocks. If somebody could get the actual dimensions and forms of the rocks, the next trip out they could have foam-fitted platforms to just drop over the rock and start working! Ah, the dream Gary AB5RM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Stupid countries (formerly BS7H thoughts)
Off the coast of Dover there's a sandbank called Goodwin Sands. It's a shifting and treacherous sandbank that lies just below the surface of the water and has claimed many shipwrecks over the years. Goodwin Sands only rises above the sea at a couple of very low spring tides each year. ONE ONE OF THESE OCCASIONS EACH YEAR, LOCALS GO AND PLAY AN ANNUAL CRICKET MATCH ON THE SANDS. Now THAT'S what I call REASONABLE for a hobby! Dave G0OIL Mike(W5UC) Kathy(K5MWH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:45 PM 5/10/2007, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: failing to meet any reasonable standard for acceptance - it should have never been added under any objective rule set. E, u, hold on a minute. Who, supposedly in his right mind, but NOT holding an amateur radio operators license would think that ANY DX-Pedition is reasonable? Who gets to define reasonable? As long as no laws are broken, and the participants act voluntarily, isn't reasonable anything we want to do? Some people jump out of airplanes, or off of high bridges with stretchy rubber tied to their ankles. I wouldn't do it, I think they are nuts, but they make their own rules, just like we make ours. Reasonable is a very subjective term. Personally, I don't think that BS7 should have been made a new entity, but, apparently a majority of those interpreting the DXCC rules thought it qualified. 73, Mike, W5UC age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Those scaffolds
Dave! I have QSL's from the 1994, 1995 and 1997 operations. The 1994 operation did not count for DXCC, and you are correct about the reason for it. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Those scaffolds They do seem like an impressive job. Just thinking back to 1995 for a moment, didn't the ARRL disallow the first BS7 expedition because the operators had artificially created land above high water with scaffolds - and then the second operation was allowed because they perched on the rocks? Or did I get that wrong. I wonder if they built nests and laid any eggs? :-) Dave G0OIL Gary Danaher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody else has mentioned this so I feel the need. How did those guys get those platforms erected so quickly? They appear to be quite sturdy. Wonder if they borrowed somebody's back yard, had a dump truck full of rocks dropped off, and practiced doing this a few times. Ya' know this wasn't very easy, even if they were able to wade hip deep next to the rocks. If somebody could get the actual dimensions and forms of the rocks, the next trip out they could have foam-fitted platforms to just drop over the rock and start working! Ah, the dream Gary AB5RM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Those scaffolds
Just looking at the first QSL and the pictures from the recentoperation, there is a big difference. The scaffold on the first operation raises the operating level several feet into the air. This time it looks like the operators have taken great care not to do this, and they look level with the rocks. Wow, they've put on a great effort! cheers Dave G0OIL Osten B Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave! I have QSL's from the 1994, 1995 and 1997 operations. The 1994 operation did not count for DXCC, and you are correct about the reason for it. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Those scaffolds They do seem like an impressive job. Just thinking back to 1995 for a moment, didn't the ARRL disallow the first BS7 expedition because the operators had artificially created land above high water with scaffolds - and then the second operation was allowed because they perched on the rocks? Or did I get that wrong. I wonder if they built nests and laid any eggs? :-) Dave G0OIL Gary Danaher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody else has mentioned this so I feel the need. How did those guys get those platforms erected so quickly? They appear to be quite sturdy. Wonder if they borrowed somebody's back yard, had a dump truck full of rocks dropped off, and practiced doing this a few times. Ya' know this wasn't very easy, even if they were able to wade hip deep next to the rocks. If somebody could get the actual dimensions and forms of the rocks, the next trip out they could have foam-fitted platforms to just drop over the rock and start working! Ah, the dream Gary AB5RM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Stupid countries (formerly BS7H thoughts)
That is not cricket !!! hi rag la5he -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DAVE WHITE Sent: 11. mai 2007 10:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Stupid countries (formerly BS7H thoughts) Off the coast of Dover there's a sandbank called Goodwin Sands. It's a shifting and treacherous sandbank that lies just below the surface of the water and has claimed many shipwrecks over the years. Goodwin Sands only rises above the sea at a couple of very low spring tides each year. ONE ONE OF THESE OCCASIONS EACH YEAR, LOCALS GO AND PLAY AN ANNUAL CRICKET MATCH ON THE SANDS. Now THAT'S what I call REASONABLE for a hobby! Dave G0OIL Mike(W5UC) Kathy(K5MWH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:45 PM 5/10/2007, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: failing to meet any reasonable standard for acceptance - it should have never been added under any objective rule set. E, u, hold on a minute. Who, supposedly in his right mind, but NOT holding an amateur radio operators license would think that ANY DX-Pedition is reasonable? Who gets to define reasonable? As long as no laws are broken, and the participants act voluntarily, isn't reasonable anything we want to do? Some people jump out of airplanes, or off of high bridges with stretchy rubber tied to their ankles. I wouldn't do it, I think they are nuts, but they make their own rules, just like we make ours. Reasonable is a very subjective term. Personally, I don't think that BS7 should have been made a new entity, but, apparently a majority of those interpreting the DXCC rules thought it qualified. 73, Mike, W5UC age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Denne mail er blevet scannet for virus af TDC Mailfilter. -- Jeg bruker gratisversjonen av SPAMfighter. Den har inntil videre fjernet 1444 spamposter. Privatbrukere får SPAMfighter gratis! Prøv gratis SPAMfighter PRO her. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Those scaffolds
Hi again! It did not take many minutes after I sent the e-mail below, until I got a question regarding my QSO's during the 2007 expedition: Did I work them again and therefore may have made anyone else miss a QSO? Answer is YES and NO. I had worked previous expeditions to BS7H on 40 and 20 meters, so I did NOT try to work again on those bands, but I worked them on 30 and 17 meters. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave! I have QSL's from the 1994, 1995 and 1997 operations. The 1994 operation did not count for DXCC, and you are correct about the reason for it. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Those scaffolds They do seem like an impressive job. Just thinking back to 1995 for a moment, didn't the ARRL disallow the first BS7 expedition because the operators had artificially created land above high water with scaffolds - and then the second operation was allowed because they perched on the rocks? Or did I get that wrong. I wonder if they built nests and laid any eggs? :-) Dave G0OIL Gary Danaher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody else has mentioned this so I feel the need. How did those guys get those platforms erected so quickly? They appear to be quite sturdy. Wonder if they borrowed somebody's back yard, had a dump truck full of rocks dropped off, and practiced doing this a few times. Ya' know this wasn't very easy, even if they were able to wade hip deep next to the rocks. If somebody could get the actual dimensions and forms of the rocks, the next trip out they could have foam-fitted platforms to just drop over the rock and start working! Ah, the dream Gary AB5RM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Stupid countries (formerly BS7H thoughts)
On 5/10/2007 Dan Zimmerman N3OX wrote: Why do you feel that each entity should have a permanent population? Why not start a seperate award for that instead? Because I feel the rest are silly - really. I got BS7 - I got Peter I, I got KP5 - I feel all 3 are silly. Just my 2 cents worth. I know it's tradition and all, but to me, I find it kinda weird. Heck - I don't think I've sent out a card in a year - I have the VU7 sitting here, and about 4-5 other all time new ones. I'm starting to think my first elmer (oh, 27 years ago, when I did NOT get ticket) was right - he hated the quick 59 qso, and actually liked to spend a few seconds talking to the DX In fact, I bet there already is one. Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! Darwin's Law of Carcinogens: Cancer cures smoking. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Stupid countries (formerly BS7H thoughts)
Charles, Understand the quick QSO deal..however, it isn't even possible for a rare country to come on for 3 weeks or less and rag chew with stations? Supply and demand doesn't permit that. Wanting to rag chew with DX stations is fine, but it can not be looked down upon if a DX station is attempting to QSO with as many as possible. I am happy you took the time to QSO with those stations listed below...THAT is why they go there. If your Elmer was the rag chewing type, nothing wrong with that...but that is just ONE flavor of ham radio..and there is enough going on with ham radio (and DXing) to allow everyone to be happy! 73 Jose - N4BAA Charles Gallo wrote: On 5/10/2007 Dan Zimmerman N3OX wrote: Why do you feel that each entity should have a permanent population? Why not start a seperate award for that instead? Because I feel the rest are silly - really. I got BS7 - I got Peter I, I got KP5 - I feel all 3 are silly. Just my 2 cents worth. I know it's tradition and all, but to me, I find it kinda weird. Heck - I don't think I've sent out a card in a year - I have the VU7 sitting here, and about 4-5 other all time new ones. I'm starting to think my first elmer (oh, 27 years ago, when I did NOT get ticket) was right - he hated the quick 59 qso, and actually liked to spend a few seconds talking to the DX In fact, I bet there already is one. Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! Darwin's Law of Carcinogens: Cancer cures smoking. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
I don't remember all the exact details of the DXCC 2000 rewrite. What I do remember was that K5UR, N4MM, K5VUF (now K5NX) and several others were on the committee. I do remember receiving the questionnaire, which I believe was available to all DXers. This was back around 1997 or 1998. Other than that I don't remember. Bernie McClenny, W3UR -- Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius W3WN Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 18:00 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts Well, here's the thing: As I recall (Bernie et al correct me if I'm wrong), there was a lot of discussion about what to do about countries and the very beginning of what became the DXCC 2000 rewrite. And there was a school of thought that strongly suggested starting everyone over on 1 Jan 2000 with a clean slate, and along with that, a refreshed list of countries (we hadn't switched to calling them entities yet... I think) And please, no brickbats, I was NOT a member of that small but vocal group that thought this! But, just for fits and giggles... imagine doing just that. Convince some other group to sponsor a DXCC-like award, for contacts starting 1 Jan 2000 (even though the 21st century actually started 1 Jan 2001, but let's not go into THAT one again either), and for this hypothetical award -- call it DX 21 for the sake of argument -- issue a new list of entities, based on the current DXCC active list (forget the deleteds), but applying current criteria to each and every one of them, plus evaluating other possibile ones that have been eliminated under recent rules changes. Many won't survive. BS7H certainly wouldn't. What about Scotland, Wales, and the rest of the non-England parts of the UK? Desecheo? Navassa? Sable? Ducie? What about the special cases: The Spratley's? Do you keep the UN Hq? If so, what about the Council of Europe HQ? The Vatican? SMOM? ITU Hq? How about the UN Vienna? I could go on, but you get my drift. Either way for many of these, stay or go... at least apply the new DX 21 rules consistently. How will this affect DX chasing? To say nothing of little discussions like this thread... I can understand all too well why no one wanted to undertake the controversy that a change like this would have entailed. But it's interesting to think about! 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:32 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts At 06:59 AM 05/10/2007, Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote: Back to the one and only way to remove a current counter from the DXCC list. The only way is if the said entity no longer meets the criteria in which put it on the list to begin with. Rules that are made up afterwards do not affect its status. Remember BS7H was added to the list back in the mid 90s. Then afterwards in an effort to not have any others added to the list like Scarborough Reef the 100 meter high tide rule was added. Believe me you don't want to remove anything off the DXCC list, unless it does not meet the criteria. I don't think there's a solution to this that will please everybody. I'd personally like to see the rules overhauled completely at some point down the road, but how that could be accomplished I really don't know. I'm not in favour of creating new ones by rule changes, nor deleting/removing old ones by fiat either, but the mish-mash that exists now is somewhat bizarre and could use a revamp at some point. I'm definitely not in favour of mollycoddling DXers and DXpeditioners by removing tough- or dangerous-to-activate entities just because they're tough or dangerous to activate. Free will is truly a wonderful concept. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] VK0 Heard Island
I need VK0 Heard Island for my last one. Please someone go on a dxpedition. It has been 10 years since last operation. de Ken W3JJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] VK0 Heard Island
OK, I'll pack my winter woolies. Please send cheque for $250,000 to... Dave G0OIL Kenneth Sobel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need VK0 Heard Island for my last one. Please someone go on a dxpedition. It has been 10 years since last operation. de Ken W3JJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Postage info
My small town post office had handouts with all the new postage info in it. It is Publication 620 April 2007 PSN 7610-10-000-0493 it is a tri page fold out blue in color. The title is New Postage Prices, What you Need to Know May 14, 2007 John N4MM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Those scaffolds
I hope so. What better way to hatch new DXers? I can just see it now - Martha, hand me my binoculars. I think I see a rare yellow-speckled DX-beeper. I'd know that call anywhere - di-di-di-di-dit dah-dit dah-dit. 73, Zack W9SZ On Fri, 11 May 2007, DAVE WHITE wrote: They do seem like an impressive job. Just thinking back to 1995 for a moment, didn't the ARRL disallow the first BS7 expedition because the operators had artificially created land above high water with scaffolds - and then the second operation was allowed because they perched on the rocks? Or did I get that wrong. I wonder if they built nests and laid any eggs? :-) Dave G0OIL Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] DXCC 2000
I normally do not post anything here but it has been interesting to read all the comments about BS7H and other DXCC matters. I was the person who made the motion at the ARRL Board meeting to create the DXCC 2000 Committee and ended up as its Chairman. With 10 on the committee, it was like trying to herd cats. I could write a book about it but too long for here. I will be at Dayton and if anyone is interested, I will be glad to answer any questions about it. 73, John, N4MM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] A request
when sending / replying / answering a post to either the NEWS or CHAR reflectors PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT set your e-mailer to confirm delivery or reading. In the past several days, I have gotten in excess of 3000 e-mails all they state is that so and so received and / or read the message I get copies of all reponses that go through the reflectors..bounced addresses, over the limit addresses and for the life of me addresses that have been set up by their owners to reject posts fromk the very reflecftors that they themselves subscribed to (I delete those as soon as I find them BTW) So please, to help reduce the wear and tear on both my delete buttone and index fingers, please do not send a message with a delivery request OR for that matter marked URGENT,as these seem to activate a whole lew of bells and buzzers at some peoples terminals Thanks and have a nice weekend Steve KF2TI Look for the 3 Steves / mobile to Dayton from 0100z, Thursday May 17 to 1200Z and throughout Sunday May 20 as we head home Those that wokr the 3 of us will receive a beautiful multi-colorede WAS (Worked All Steves) cerificate, suitable for frame 73 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Fw: N8S or BS7h on LoTW?
I remember having seen somewhere that either BS7H or N8S was going to use LoTW, but can't find it now - anyone with a better memory than mine? I do NOT mean the + for LoTW i the VE7CC cluster program! 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-NEWS] A request
when sending / replying / answering a post to either the NEWS or CHAR reflectors PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT set your e-mailer to confirm delivery or reading. In the past several days, I have gotten in excess of 3000 e-mails all they state is that so and so received and / or read the message I get copies of all reponses that go through the reflectors..bounced addresses, over the limit addresses and for the life of me addresses that have been set up by their owners to reject posts fromk the very reflecftors that they themselves subscribed to (I delete those as soon as I find them BTW) So please, to help reduce the wear and tear on both my delete buttone and index fingers, please do not send a message with a delivery request OR for that matter marked URGENT,as these seem to activate a whole lew of bells and buzzers at some peoples terminals Thanks and have a nice weekend Steve KF2TI Look for the 3 Steves / mobile to Dayton from 0100z, Thursday May 17 to 1200Z and throughout Sunday May 20 as we head home Those that wokr the 3 of us will receive a beautiful multi-colorede WAS (Worked All Steves) cerificate, suitable for frame 73 -- Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] THE DXR is sponsored by the North Jersey DX Association. Please visit our website: http://www.njdxa.org/index.php scroll to bottom for subscribe/unsubscribe options --
Re: [DX-CHAT] Fw: N8S or BS7h on LoTW?
Osten, I asked about the validity of the + in VE7CC, and the response was that the BS7 logs would be uploaded to LOTW one year after the operation was complete. 73, Mike, W5UC At 10:31 AM 5/11/2007, Osten B Magnusson wrote: I remember having seen somewhere that either BS7H or N8S was going to use LoTW, but can't find it now - anyone with a better memory than mine? I do NOT mean the + for LoTW i the VE7CC cluster program! 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/797 - Release Date: 5/10/2007 5:10 PM age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Those scaffolds
I notice that there are very few of the DX station operators contributing to this thread. I remember operating from VP5 in 1977there was a demand for 80M contacts..not easy to string up an 80M antenna there because of the real estate. We found a reel of stainless steel leader wire and hooked it on to a large kite and started unreeling..ultimately strung up 330' and proceeded to make a multitude of contacts until we lost the kite. I do not remember receiving a single green stamp but all QSLs received were answered faithfully. 73 Norm K1AA - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Those scaffolds I hope so. What better way to hatch new DXers? I can just see it now - Martha, hand me my binoculars. I think I see a rare yellow-speckled DX-beeper. I'd know that call anywhere - di-di-di-di-dit dah-dit dah-dit. 73, Zack W9SZ On Fri, 11 May 2007, DAVE WHITE wrote: They do seem like an impressive job. Just thinking back to 1995 for a moment, didn't the ARRL disallow the first BS7 expedition because the operators had artificially created land above high water with scaffolds - and then the second operation was allowed because they perched on the rocks? Or did I get that wrong. I wonder if they built nests and laid any eggs? :-) Dave G0OIL Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Fw: N8S or BS7h on LoTW?
The + for LOTW QSOs was for past operations. I know the 1995 QSOs are now in LOTW Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR -- Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike(W5UC) Kathy(K5MWH) Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Fw: N8S or BS7h on LoTW? Osten, I asked about the validity of the + in VE7CC, and the response was that the BS7 logs would be uploaded to LOTW one year after the operation was complete. 73, Mike, W5UC At 10:31 AM 5/11/2007, Osten B Magnusson wrote: I remember having seen somewhere that either BS7H or N8S was going to use LoTW, but can't find it now - anyone with a better memory than mine? I do NOT mean the + for LoTW i the VE7CC cluster program! 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org http://njdxa.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/797 - Release Date: 5/10/2007 5:10 PM age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] VK0 Heard Island
I hear it might be dangerous. John K5MO At 08:30 AM 5/11/2007, Kenneth Sobel wrote: I need VK0 Heard Island for my last one. Please someone go on a dxpedition. It has been 10 years since last operation. de Ken W3JJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Stupid countries (formerly BS7H thoughts)
Rag, But ARRL made it cricket! 73, Goran, 4N4AE (T98G) - Original Message - From: LA5HE Ragnar Otterstad To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Stupid countries (formerly BS7H thoughts) That is not cricket !!! hi rag la5he -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DAVE WHITE Sent: 11. mai 2007 10:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Stupid countries (formerly BS7H thoughts) Off the coast of Dover there's a sandbank called Goodwin Sands. It's a shifting and treacherous sandbank that lies just below the surface of the water and has claimed many shipwrecks over the years. Goodwin Sands only rises above the sea at a couple of very low spring tides each year. ONE ONE OF THESE OCCASIONS EACH YEAR, LOCALS GO AND PLAY AN ANNUAL CRICKET MATCH ON THE SANDS. Now THAT'S what I call REASONABLE for a hobby! Dave G0OIL Mike(W5UC) Kathy(K5MWH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:45 PM 5/10/2007, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: failing to meet any reasonable standard for acceptance - it should have never been added under any objective rule set. E, u, hold on a minute. Who, supposedly in his right mind, but NOT holding an amateur radio operators license would think that ANY DX-Pedition is reasonable? Who gets to define reasonable? As long as no laws are broken, and the participants act voluntarily, isn't reasonable anything we want to do? Some people jump out of airplanes, or off of high bridges with stretchy rubber tied to their ankles. I wouldn't do it, I think they are nuts, but they make their own rules, just like we make ours. Reasonable is a very subjective term. Personally, I don't think that BS7 should have been made a new entity, but, apparently a majority of those interpreting the DXCC rules thought it qualified. 73, Mike, W5UC age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Denne mail er blevet scannet for virus af TDC Mailfilter. -- Jeg bruker gratisversjonen av SPAMfighter. Den har inntil videre fjernet 1444 spamposter. Privatbrukere får SPAMfighter gratis! Prøv gratis SPAMfighter PRO her. __ NOD32 2256 (20070510) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Those scaffolds
Dave: I was told that it was disallowed in 1995 because the scaffolding was in the water at high tide. Some of the photos from this operation posted show some scaffolding in the water. You have to look, but its there. Tom, WW5L DAVE WHITE wrote: They do seem like an impressive job. Just thinking back to 1995 for a moment, didn't the ARRL disallow the first BS7 expedition because the operators had artificially created land above high water with scaffolds - and then the second operation was allowed because they perched on the rocks? Or did I get that wrong. I wonder if they built nests and laid any eggs? :-) Dave G0OIL Gary Danaher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody else has mentioned this so I feel the need. How did those guys get those platforms erected so quickly? They appear to be quite sturdy. Wonder if they borrowed somebody's back yard, had a dump truck full of rocks dropped off, and practiced doing this a few times. Ya' know this wasn't very easy, even if they were able to wade hip deep next to the rocks. If somebody could get the actual dimensions and forms of the rocks, the next trip out they could have foam-fitted platforms to just drop over the rock and start working! Ah, the dream Gary AB5RM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Those scaffolds
The 'WET FEET operation was in June of 1994. Both the '95 '97 operations were approved by DXCC. 73, Garth, KW4MM - Original Message - From: Tom Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Those scaffolds Dave: I was told that it was disallowed in 1995 because the scaffolding was in the water at high tide. Some of the photos from this operation posted show some scaffolding in the water. You have to look, but its there. Tom, WW5L DAVE WHITE wrote: They do seem like an impressive job. Just thinking back to 1995 for a moment, didn't the ARRL disallow the first BS7 expedition because the operators had artificially created land above high water with scaffolds - and then the second operation was allowed because they perched on the rocks? Or did I get that wrong. I wonder if they built nests and laid any eggs? :-) Dave G0OIL Gary Danaher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody else has mentioned this so I feel the need. How did those guys get those platforms erected so quickly? They appear to be quite sturdy. Wonder if they borrowed somebody's back yard, had a dump truck full of rocks dropped off, and practiced doing this a few times. Ya' know this wasn't very easy, even if they were able to wade hip deep next to the rocks. If somebody could get the actual dimensions and forms of the rocks, the next trip out they could have foam-fitted platforms to just drop over the rock and start working! Ah, the dream Gary AB5RM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Those scaffolds
At 19:10 -0500 5/11/07, Tom Anderson wrote: Dave: I was told that it was disallowed in 1995 because the scaffolding was in the water at high tide. Some of the photos from this operation posted show some scaffolding in the water. You have to look, but its there. Tom, WW5L That was what I had originally heard too. Recently, though, I heard that after the pictures were taken, operation was actually from the boat, and someone told. I'm not pointing any fingers at anyone. What I heard was simply hearsay, and I have no idea what the facts actually were. Don't yell at me. N2ERN -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
Well Mome, the point I was trying to make was that any effort to re-do the DXCC list -- something that I do NOT personally advocate, by the way -- over from scratch will create just as much controversy as retaining the current list; and possibly (probably) more. [note: that means that you two guys over in GM, you know who you are, can quit throwing stuff at me, I was speaking hypothetically!] I was also trying to point out (in the part that got clipped out of the reply) that many of the odd and unusual -- and suspect -- entities that exist today could not come into being today under current rules. So at least there will be no more (although had the rules not changed, I could argue for the inclusion of 4U1VIC; actually, I could argue either side of that one, but it's now a moot point anyway)... and especially none created due to phony IARU societies, which covers at least 2 of the entities added since the DXCC 2000 rules went into effect. 'nuff said. But, if you really want to chew on something, consider this: Don Miller W9WNV. He sure did activate a whole bunch of new ones... only quite a few never went on the books officially (or were removed after the fact) due to lack of documentation. Remember, there was only ONE operation that he actually owned up to faking; quite a few were accepted, mainly his earlier endeavors. It was only his later ones, were suspicions of cut corners came up, that were questioned. What if... Don ever did come up with the paperwork to prove that some or all of these removed entities weren't bogus, but were legit and he really did operate from them? How many new ones could be put back on the map? How many HR positions would change? I don't think it will happen... the paperwork, if it ever existed, would be over 30 years old, some possibly 40 or more. But if you think about the ramifications if something ever did turn up... 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mome Z32ZM Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:42 AM To: DX Chat Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts OC Ron, You finaly comme on mine. This is something I been writing allmost 8 months a go, (I think subject like KH8ZM or so). Then everyone go against me, but now repeating mine questions, posible answers etc..NEVERMIND. I think its about the time that DXAC members must seat-down and clear up the DXCC (delete OR add entities) for quite long period, OR the mess will continue?!?!?! CU in the Z7 Z9 pile-up's :) All the best Have nice day! Stay Tuned GL on SIX !!! 73 GLDX!!!de: Mome - Z32ZM http://www.qsl.net/z32zm - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:59 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts Well, here's the thing: Many won't survive. BS7H certainly wouldn't. What about Scotland, Wales, and the rest of the non-England parts of the UK? Desecheo? Navassa? Sable? Ducie? What about the special cases: The Spratley's? Do you keep the UN Hq? If so, what about the Council of Europe HQ? The Vatican? SMOM? ITU Hq? How about the UN Vienna? Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Re: Mid-Atlantic QSO Party: 1600Z, May 12 to 0400Z, May 13
WA3VAW, Congratulations! Wish your son great fortune and success for the future. 73! N2RRA ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
On Fri, 11 May 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: Well Mome, the point I was trying to make was that any effort to re-do the DXCC list -- something that I do NOT personally advocate, by the way -- over from scratch will create just as much controversy as retaining the current list; and possibly (probably) more. [note: that means that you two guys over in GM, you know who you are, can quit throwing stuff at me, I was speaking hypothetically!] Hey, if someone wants to throw greenstamps, IRC's, or - better yet, expensive radios - at me, I won't turn them down! 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
