I don't remember all the exact details of the DXCC 2000 rewrite.  What I do
remember was that K5UR, N4MM, K5VUF (now K5NX) and several others were on
the committee.  I do remember receiving the questionnaire, which I believe
was available to all DXers.  This was back around 1997 or 1998.  Other than
that I don't remember.

Bernie McClenny, W3UR
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius
W3WN
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 18:00
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts

Well, here's the thing:  As I recall (Bernie et al correct me if I'm wrong),
there was a lot of discussion about what to do about "countries" and the
very beginning of what became the DXCC 2000 rewrite.  And there was a school
of thought that strongly suggested starting everyone over on 1 Jan 2000 with
a clean slate, and along with that, a refreshed list of "countries" (we
hadn't switched to calling them "entities" yet... I think)

And please, no brickbats, I was NOT a member of that small but vocal group
that thought this!

But, just for fits and giggles... imagine doing just that.  Convince some
other group to sponsor a DXCC-like award, for contacts starting 1 Jan 2000
(even though the 21st century actually started 1 Jan 2001, but let's not go
into THAT one again either), and for this hypothetical award -- call it "DX
21" for the sake of argument -- issue a new list of entities, based on the
current DXCC active list (forget the deleteds), but applying current
criteria to each and every one of them, plus evaluating other possibile ones
that have been eliminated under recent rules changes.

Many won't survive.  BS7H certainly wouldn't.  What about Scotland, Wales,
and the rest of the non-England parts of the UK?  Desecheo?  Navassa?
Sable?  Ducie?

What about the "special" cases:  The Spratley's?  Do you keep the UN Hq?  If
so, what about the Council of Europe HQ?  The Vatican?  SMOM?  ITU Hq?  How
about the UN Vienna?

I could go on, but you get my drift.  Either way for many of these, stay or
go... at least apply the new "DX 21" rules consistently.  How will this
affect DX chasing?  To say nothing of little discussions like this thread...

I can understand all too well why no one wanted to undertake the controversy
that a change like this would have entailed.  But it's interesting to think
about!

73

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter
Dougherty
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:32 AM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts


At 06:59 AM 05/10/2007, Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote:
>Back to the one and only way to remove a current counter from the DXCC
list.
>The only way is if the said entity no longer meets the criteria in which
put
>it on the list to begin with.  Rules that are made up afterwards do not
>affect its status.  Remember BS7H was added to the list back in the mid
90s.
>Then afterwards in an effort to not have any others added to the list like
>Scarborough Reef the "100 meter high tide" rule was added.  Believe me you
>don't want to remove anything off the DXCC list, unless it does not meet
the
>criteria.

I don't think there's a solution to this that will please everybody.
I'd personally like to see the rules overhauled completely at some
point down the road, but how that could be accomplished I really
don't know. I'm not in favour of creating new ones by rule changes,
nor deleting/removing old ones by fiat either, but the mish-mash that
exists now is somewhat bizarre and could use a revamp at some point.

I'm definitely not in favour of mollycoddling DXers and DXpeditioners
by removing tough- or dangerous-to-activate entities just because
they're tough or dangerous to activate. Free will is truly a wonderful
concept.




Cheers,

Peter,
W2IRT



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