Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
W2AY..I did consider the facts..and that's why I ask again ..why all the fuzz? They are trying to elbow the FJ operation out of the way (very well documented I may add) and now they aren't even on the air? That is not logical to me, like somebody else said where are all the locals and another asked why did the other operation end when Martii and Olli went QRT? - Original Message - From: Bill Fikis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms HK3CW,nFirst allow me to correct you re: St.Barths hams wanted to be the only station on the air. That is NOT what the problem is ..The celebration of being allowed to put the dxcc prefix FJ on the air before outsiders. The outsiders ( Martti Ollie)came on the island without going thru immigration ( THEIR PASSPORTS WERE NOT STAMPED) They may not be on the air right now, and that is because they work ... They operate radio when they have the free time .Which does give outsiders the right to move in and take the celebration away More to the story... The OH2AM callsign that they used CANNOT... CANNOT be used outside of Finland ... It carries a class C - CLUB STATION category .. Before you say Why all the fuzz I suggest you consider the facts... Bill / w2ay ** - Original Message - From: HK3CW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Yeah, There are fighting to be the only station and now they aren't even on the air...so why all the fuzz? Rob HK3CW - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Well ... more people might have worked the second station if they had operated on other bands (15, 30, 160) or modes RTTY instead of following FJ/OH2AM from band to band. Anyone notice that the second station disappeared as soon as FJ/OH2AM went QRT? The whole thing stinks. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Danaher Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:56 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 12/28/2007 11:51 AM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
My log shows it to have been P51BH. John Owens - N7TK -- Original message -- From: Ronald Loneker Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wasn't that the call used in P5/OH2AM ?? GERRY wrote: It's clear that OH2AM is a club call and therefore Class C. call name address zip city class @sral.fi email OH0B OH0R OH2R OH0AM OH2AM OH-DX-Ring Ry PL 73 02381 ESPOO C http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=class=lang=EN It's clear that the CEPT regulations does not include class C in their OH allowed CEPT users. Appendix 2: http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Word/TR6101E.DOC Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - *From:* Zack Widup *To:* dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM *Subject:* RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Ronald Loneker Sr.- KA2BZS #1DXCC Honor Roll - 9BDXCC A-1 Op - QCWA http://www.cwforever.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Fwd: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
The envy fills the damned can. Welcome into 21-st Century Hamming. 73, Vic Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: Fwd: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Ah, the season of Good Will To All Men from some of our friends across the English Channel again, I see. Yes, Victor - envy abounds in the minds of some. Still, it does help if people read the rules first! I'm sure that Martti and Olli did, but more fool them if they didn't. Look on the bright side - at least it's not VK0H or BS7 that they'll disqualify this time! We'll see. Dave Victor Goncharsky US5WE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The envy fills the damned can. Welcome into 21-st Century Hamming. 73, Vic Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Well ... more people might have worked the second station if they had operated on other bands (15, 30, 160) or modes RTTY instead of following FJ/OH2AM from band to band. Anyone notice that the second station disappeared as soon as FJ/OH2AM went QRT? The whole thing stinks. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Danaher Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:56 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Yeah, There are fighting to be the only station and now they aren't even on the air...so why all the fuzz? Rob HK3CW - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Well ... more people might have worked the second station if they had operated on other bands (15, 30, 160) or modes RTTY instead of following FJ/OH2AM from band to band. Anyone notice that the second station disappeared as soon as FJ/OH2AM went QRT? The whole thing stinks. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Danaher Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:56 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
I don't know. Martti and Olli wanted to give DX'ers a first QSO with FJ, not let everyone fill in all the band/modes they could. It wasn't an end-all DXpedition and I deferred to only one QSO with them, on 40 CW, in respect to everyone else who wanted a QSO. FJ is a beautiful tourist island. It is not difficult to get to. Heck, when I was there, Henry Kissinger's yacht was moored in Gustavia. There will be lots of other operations from there. I'm surprised the resident hams aren't going all-out to give everyone more band/modes with the island. 73, Zack W9SZ On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, HK3CW wrote: Yeah, There are fighting to be the only station and now they aren't even on the air...so why all the fuzz? Rob HK3CW - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Well ... more people might have worked the second station if they had operated on other bands (15, 30, 160) or modes RTTY instead of following FJ/OH2AM from band to band. Anyone notice that the second station disappeared as soon as FJ/OH2AM went QRT? The whole thing stinks. 73, ... Joe, W4TV Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:05 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Speaking about FJ, H boy, this is about to get interesting http://arp75.free.fr/Lettreaucomitedxcc_english.pdf All I can say, I'm glad FH5KH was QRV also. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Question 1. Why did Martti not use his own call? Question 2. Is there just a thing as a written license for CEPT. If you go to Canada, you don't get a written license to operate VE3/W3WN. Question 3. So where are all the native FJ ops? Not on the air. Barry W2UP Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:05 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Speaking about FJ, H boy, this is about to get interesting http://arp75.free.fr/Lettreaucomitedxcc_english.pdf All I can say, I'm glad FH5KH was QRV also. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
It's clear that OH2AM is a club call and therefore Class C. call name address zip city class @sral.fi email OH0B OH0R OH2R OH0AM OH2AM OH-DX-Ring Ry PL 73 02381 ESPOO C http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=class=lang=EN It's clear that the CEPT regulations does not include class C in their OH allowed CEPT users. Appendix 2: http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Word/TR6101E.DOC Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Zack Widup To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Wouldn't it be what type of license FJ allowed, not OH ??? Bill - Original Message - From: GERRY To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms It's clear that OH2AM is a club call and therefore Class C. call name address zip city class @sral.fi email OH0B OH0R OH2R OH0AM OH2AM OH-DX-Ring Ry PL 73 02381 ESPOO C http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=class=lang=EN It's clear that the CEPT regulations does not include class C in their OH allowed CEPT users. Appendix 2: http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Word/TR6101E.DOC Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Zack Widup To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Wasn't that the call used in P5/OH2AM ?? GERRY wrote: It's clear that OH2AM is a club call and therefore Class C. call name address zip city class @sral.fi email OH0B OH0R OH2R OH0AM OH2AM OH-DX-Ring Ry PL 73 02381 ESPOO C http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=class=lang=EN http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=class=lang=EN It's clear that the CEPT regulations does not include class C in their OH allowed CEPT users. Appendix 2: http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Word/TR6101E.DOC Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - *From:* Zack Widup mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* dx-chat@njdxa.org mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM *Subject:* RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Ronald Loneker Sr.- KA2BZS #1DXCC Honor Roll - 9BDXCC A-1 Op - QCWA http://www.cwforever.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Yes. The CEPT license will allow any OH with a license class L, P, T, Y to operate in any CEPT country including FJ. Of course BOTH OPERATORS hold class Y licenses. It also appears that one of the operators may, in fact be trustee of the club callsign used. What's the beef other than a case of sour grapes from a few Frenchmen who were too late to the party and missed le nouvelle Beaujolais? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GERRY Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:17 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Bill, Yes. The CEPT license will allow any OH with a license class L, P, T, Y to operate in any CEPT country including FJ. There is no mention of the C class OH license. It's certainly one for the DXCC Desk to sort out. Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Bill To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Wouldn't it be what type of license FJ allowed, not OH ??? Bill - Original Message - From: GERRY To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms It's clear that OH2AM is a club call and therefore Class C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] email OH0B OH0R OH2R OH0AM OH2AMOH-DX-Ring RyPL 7302381ESPOO C http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=; class=lang=EN It's clear that the CEPT regulations does not include class C in their OH allowed CEPT users. Appendix 2: http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Word/TR6101E.DOC Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Zack Widup To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http
