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From: Warren W. Aney a...@coho.net
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
I've weighed in on this before, but this time let me present what may be
an
oversimplification -- to me the defining difference
discussion futile.
Warren W. Aney
Senior Wildlife Ecologist
Tigard, Oregon
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From: Wayne Tyson [mailto:landr...@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, 28 January, 2011 20:14
To: Warren W. Aney; ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
Ecolog
discussion futile.
Warren W. Aney
Senior Wildlife Ecologist
Tigard, Oregon
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From: Wayne Tyson [mailto:landr...@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, 28 January, 2011 20:14
To: Warren W. Aney; ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
Ecolog:
In many
Per Wayne's request, here are my own thoughts, and some clarifications.
First, the clarifications:
Wayne asked me to define my terms, so here goes:
Conservation -- assisting a species or ecosystem to carry on most of its
original life activities and interactions, including reproduction and
Austin,
There are most definitely legal definitions of conservation that preclude
extensive manipulations which I assume to be a central tenet of gardening.
IMHO the goal of conservation and restoration is to preserve a habitat in
the sense that the habitat is the manifestation of a suite of
I would add that gardening is directed toward different goals than
conservation or restoration. The gardener wants to produce beauty, food, or
some other harvestable product. Also, gardening is almost invariably based
on plant varieties that have been in domestication for a long time,
sometimes
: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening? Re: [ECOLOG-L] ECOLOG-L
Digest - 22 Jan 2011 to 23 Jan 2011 (#2011-23)
Each decision about species or habitat intervention is (or should be)
context driven. Generalizations don't hack it in science, and it's high time
journalists gave them up in the popular
Meiss mme...@gmail.com
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Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
I would add that gardening is directed toward different goals than
conservation or restoration. The gardener wants to produce beauty, food, or
some
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From: Warren W. Aney a...@coho.net
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
I've weighed in on this before, but this time let me present what may be
an
oversimplification -- to me the defining difference
Jason,
You have asked such good questions that, even though you have received a
plethora of very thoughtful responses, I'm going to take another crack at
being more directly responsive and insert some additional thoughts into your
text in an attempt to keep myself from wandering off the
help us take that step.
Warren W. Aney
Senior Wildlife Ecologist
Tigard, OR
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From: Wayne Tyson [mailto:landr...@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2011 17:05
To: Warren W. Aney; ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
Well, yes. But I would
, OR
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From: Wayne Tyson [mailto:landr...@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2011 17:05
To: Warren W. Aney; ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
Well, yes. But I would suggest even more detail, and hope Aney will expand
his
Ecologers,
Building on Prof. W. Tyson's comment...
I completely agree. Restoring a degraded ecosystem to its pristine pure
stage is almost impossible, not to mention the costs involved in
the mitigation process.
There were (and still are) successful attempts of regenerating barren
and ultra
The terms conservation and gardening do not cover the full range and
intent of human manipulations of natural systems if you consider such terms
as preservation, restoration, mitigation, and enhancement.
Nevertheless, and to answer Jason's questions, I would consider gardening
to be relatively
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From: Geoffrey Patton gwpatt...@yahoo.com
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
I like Colleen's point and would like to add that sometimes there is more to
be learned from the hopeless species that might
is taking on the challenge of returning
damaged ecosystems to indigenous assemblages/functioning ecosystems in Brazil.
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From: Juan P Alvez
To: Wayne Tyson
Cc: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation
Warren, your list of human interventions in nature leaves out one of the
most important: rape. The slaughter of the buffalo, deforestation followed
by abandonment, etc.
Martin
2011/1/18 Warren W. Aney a...@coho.net
The terms conservation and gardening do not cover the full range
I was just going to release Jason's message on the fertile ground of our
Society news-list, but can't stand not to weigh in.
Dan Janzen's PNAS article, gardenification of tropical conserved
wildlands (probably - I only read the abstract), has it right, but his
position is appicable to the
, OR
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[mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Juan P Alvez
Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2011 19:53
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Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
Ecologers,
Building on Prof. W
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From: Warren W. Aney a...@coho.net
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
Juan Alvez is right about having long term goals but leaves out important
defining adjectives. Ecosystems structures
Jason,
I'm unaware of any clean line between conservation-oriented land management
and gardening with a focus on natives. Honestly, within the context of
conservation activities, I don't see the point in drawing that line. The
relevant question is, are the results of conservation activities
Jason,
And if a species is beyond saving with conservation, how worthwhile is it to
save that species with gardening?
At this point, it might be pertinent to ask what other species are dependent
(for their life processes) on the gardened species. For example, is there an
exclusive mutualism
Jason,
You may be interested in Dan Janzen's concept of the wildland garden. See:
Janzen, D. 1998. Gardenification of wildland nature and the human footprint.
Science 279:1312-1313
and
Janzen, D. 1999. Gardenification of tropical conserved wildlands: multitasking,
multicropping, and
IN an economy like that of the US where we spend more on the military than
the next 10 nations combined, and the budget for putting out one fighter jet
exceeds the entire budget of all the environmental and natural resource
agencies combined, one must ask are resources really that limited? Do we
Jason, et al-
The purist position is untenable. If human agency marks the difference
between wild and managed, as soon as we take any action to change (+/-) the
fitness of any population or species we move it from the roster of wild
biota to the roster of managed biota. Even dividing wild from
Jason and Ecolog:
Many years ago (early 1980's?) I did a paper that I think I called Ecosystem
Restoration and Landscaping: A Comparison. I don't remember the name of the
conference and I'm not sure of the place, but it might have been one of the
early conferences of the Society for
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 08:24:46
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Reply-To: Colleen Grant psorotham...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
Jason,
And if a species is beyond saving
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