med" is another word for "kidnapped and enslaved." But "tamed" is ok too,
as long as the detailed truth of the process is not denied in any important
way.
WT
- Original Message -
From: "vivian newman"
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:40 PM
S
The Little Prince
[from A Guide for Grown-ups; essential wisdom from the collected works of
Antoine de Saint-Exupery, Harcourt, 2002]
- Original Message -
From: "Warren W. Aney"
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation
ez"
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
Per Wayne's request, here are my own thoughts, and some clarifications.
First, the clarifications:
Wayne asked me to define my terms, so here goes:
Conservation -- assisting a speci
ation
discussion futile.
Warren W. Aney
Senior Wildlife Ecologist
Tigard, Oregon
-Original Message-
From: Wayne Tyson [mailto:landr...@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, 28 January, 2011 20:14
To: Warren W. Aney; ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
Ecolog
ve us your own answers once you have thought about the questions again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Hernandez"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:08 PM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
This question is inspired by a conversation with a former emp
riginal Message -
From: "Warren W. Aney"
To:
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
I've weighed in on this before, but this time let me present what may be
an
oversimplification -- to me the defining difference between
itable niche can be
made ready. To stand by and let a species go extinct that has been driven there
by culture seems to be open to question--to put it politely.
- Original Message -
From: "Martin Meiss"
To:
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Con
bject: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening? Re: [ECOLOG-L] ECOLOG-L
Digest - 22 Jan 2011 to 23 Jan 2011 (#2011-23)
Each decision about species or habitat intervention is (or should be)
context driven. Generalizations don't hack it in science, and it's high time
journalists gave them up
I would add that gardening is directed toward different goals than
conservation or restoration. The gardener wants to produce beauty, food, or
some other harvestable product. Also, gardening is almost invariably based
on plant varieties that have been in domestication for a long time,
sometimes m
Austin,
There are most definitely legal definitions of conservation that preclude
extensive manipulations which I assume to be a central tenet of gardening.
IMHO the goal of conservation and restoration is to preserve a habitat in
the sense that the habitat is the manifestation of a suite of na
r own comments or
correct mine. At some point, I hope you will write a summary statement to
give us your own answers once you have thought about the questions again.
- Original Message -
From: "Jason Hernandez"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:08 PM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Cons
about the questions again.
- Original Message -
From: "Jason Hernandez"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:08 PM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
This question is inspired by a conversation with a former employer. When do
our interventions cease to be con
Step 8. Celebrate success.
Defining desired ecosystem condition may be the most challenging step, but
the 3 goals and considerations that Juan Alvez lists help us take that step.
[[Amen. WT]]
Warren W. Aney
Senior Wildlife Ecologist
Tigard, OR
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help us take that step.
Warren W. Aney
Senior Wildlife Ecologist
Tigard, OR
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From: Wayne Tyson [mailto:landr...@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2011 17:05
To: Warren W. Aney; ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
Well, yes. But I would
ld be
applied.
WT
- Original Message -
From: "Warren W. Aney"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
Juan Alvez is right about having long term goals but leaves out important
defining adjectives. Ecosys
d, OR
-Original Message-
From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news
[mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Juan P Alvez
Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2011 19:53
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
Ecologers,
Building on Pr
I was just going to release Jason's message on the fertile ground of our
Society news-list, but can't stand not to weigh in.
Dan Janzen's PNAS article, gardenification of tropical conserved
wildlands (probably - I only read the abstract), has it right, but his
position is appicable to the whole
ey
> Senior Wildlife Ecologist
> Tigard, OR 97223
> (503) 539-1009
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news
> [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Hernandez
> Sent: Monday, 17 January, 2011 17:09
> To: ECOLOG-L
om: Juan P Alvez
To: Wayne Tyson
Cc: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
Ecologers,
Building on Prof. W. Tyson's comment...
I completely agree. Restoring a degraded ecosystem to its pr
industry. Over to
you, Chew.
- Original Message -
From: "Geoffrey Patton"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
I like Colleen's point and would like to add that sometimes there is more to
be learned
gist
Tigard, OR 97223
(503) 539-1009
-Original Message-
From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news
[mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Hernandez
Sent: Monday, 17 January, 2011 17:09
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just ga
made the same
mistake that remains common-thinking that they were synonymous. I could have
not been more wrong-they are in fundamental opposition to each other.
Not wanting to blather on and one with this post, I'll stop here for now . . .
WT
- Original Message -
From: "Ja
al Society of America: grants, jobs, news"
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 08:24:46
To:
Reply-To: Colleen Grant
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
Jason,
And if a species is beyond saving with conservation, how worthwhile is it to
save that species with gardening?
wrong-they are in fundamental opposition to each other.
Not wanting to blather on and one with this post, I'll stop here for now . . .
WT
- Original Message -
From: "Jason Hernandez"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:08 PM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just ga
Jason, et al-
The purist position is untenable. If human agency marks the difference
between wild and managed, as soon as we take any action to change (+/-) the
fitness of any population or species we move it from the roster of wild
biota to the roster of managed biota. Even dividing wild from
IN an economy like that of the US where we spend more on the military than
the next 10 nations combined, and the budget for putting out one fighter jet
exceeds the entire budget of all the environmental and natural resource
agencies combined, one must ask are resources really that limited? Do we
r
ason Hernandez"
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:08:59 PM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
This question is inspired by a conversation with a former employer. When do our
interventions cease to be conservation and become gardening?
For th
exclusive mutualism that needs to be preserved?
Colleen Grant
--- On Mon, 1/17/11, Jason Hernandez wrote:
From: Jason Hernandez
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 5:08 PM
This question is inspired by a conversation wit
Jason,
I'm unaware of any clean line between conservation-oriented land management
and gardening with a focus on natives. Honestly, within the context of
conservation activities, I don't see the point in drawing that line. The
relevant question is, "are the results of conservation activities wor
G-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 8:08:59 PM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?
This question is inspired by a conversation with a former employer. When do
our
interventions cease to be conservation and become gardening?
For the sake of argument, I was ta
This question is inspired by a conversation with a former employer. When do
our interventions cease to be conservation and become gardening?
For the sake of argument, I was taking the purist position: that ideally, we
want to be able to put a fence around a natural area and walk away, letting
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