I have no argument with Stacy Rosenbaum's advice. By all means, if you can come
up with your own project and propose it, do so. However, I approached it a bit
differently. (Disclaimer: I have an M.S., not a Ph.D.) I chose a lab that was
doing a variety of work in line with my interests; then,
Hi Emily,
Read the book: *Getting What You Came For *by Robert Peters
http://www.amazon.com/Getting-What-You-Came-For/dp/0374524777
Very good advice (a big perspective) on why to apply or not to apply to
graduate school in science [but also all graduate school in general] and it
also gives you
Aaron's response does not extend past conversations being had on this
listserv regarding the predatory nature of the sciences upon graduate
students, postdocs, tenure-seeking professors, and end-of-career tenured
professors. While Aaron clearly generalizes, his is a practical warning
about the
Hi Emily,
I am about one year post PhD. I approached a few professors with a project idea
in mind. A couple said This is interesting but my lab isn't the right place to
do it, and one (who became my advisor) expressed admiration for the initiative
that I took in coming up with my own ideas. In
: grad.deansoff...@siu.edu
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Not so. Aaron continues to make the point that all of academia is corrupt
and headed in the wrong direction based on his own troubling experience.
This broad stroke approach gets the debate going, largely because it has a
personal attack on all, regardless of whether guilty or innocent of the
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Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Graduate School Advice
I am here offering an observation I had a few years back in regard to postdocs
and advisors.
i have a friend who was workig as a hard-money postdoc at a middle tier R1.
This guy was incrediblely talented. the area of research he
I am here offering an observation I had a few years back in regard to
postdocs and advisors.
i have a friend who was workig as a hard-money postdoc at a middle tier
R1. This guy was incrediblely talented. the area of research he did was
kinetics of proteins. essentialy, his advisor's lab was
] Graduate School Advice
Hi Emily,
I am about one year post PhD. I approached a few professors with a project idea
in mind. A couple said This is interesting but my lab isn't the right place to
do it, and one (who became my advisor) expressed admiration for the initiative
that I took in coming
] Graduate School Advice
Hi Emily,
I am about one year post PhD. I approached a few professors with a project
idea in mind. A couple said This is interesting but my lab isn't the right
place to do it, and one (who became my advisor) expressed admiration for
the initiative that I took in coming up
To Emily and other potential graduates:
Aaron's response is exactly why I feel so compelled to be in academia. I
believe that teaching and research is one of the most rewarding careers for
anyone's life, and I intend to share my passion for knowledge and wonder
about the natural world for the
Not all graduate advisors view their students work as their (the advisor’s)
personal intellectual property. I did my masters and PhD in a fantastic,
inspiring, interdisciplinary, and highly collaborative research group. Our
advisor encouraged us to pursue our own ideas, be lead authors of
Emily
I boldly proposed a project in a topical area related to my potential
advisors work, but it was not their primary area of focus. - Thus, it
brought something new to their research group when I joined the lab.
Not only did my advisor take a risk in accepting me as their student,
but this
Ecologgers, this topic seems to come up several times a year. Here's a
short article on how to choose a major professor that was published in
Fisheries in 1998. It is as relevant now as it was then.
Notes from the Blackboard
Choosing the right graduate school and getting the job
you've always
Hi Emily:
I was in a similar situation as you several years ago. I had been working
with a system and foresaw a lot of opportunity to answer some
interesting/important ecological questions. I reached out to potential PhD
advisors, met with graduate students and thought ALOT about it all. Not
A note of caution on enthusiastic receptions from faculty when you offer
to bring a project to their lab:
Of course all professors want to invite brilliant people with project
ideas already formulated (especially when these people already have the
skills to execute them). This is especially
Emily,
As someone who just wrapped up a graduate degree program and has watched all
the joy and sorrow that can bring (to me and my classmates) I would say you
need to know where to strike the balance between sticking to your guns and
being adaptable. Maybe your dream professor will string you
I have been in academe' as a phd since 2003.
As a doctoral student, i was an instructor for 2 of my 4 years.
then, prior to earning my doctorate I was an instructor for 5 years and a
research/grants director at an aquarium for 1.5 years.
In addition to academe', i have also worked as a Farm
Hello all,
I'm delving into the graduate school search (MS and PhD programs) quite
heavily and am seeking advice regarding approaching faculty with a research
project. The system I'm interested in working on is that which has many
unanswered, interesting questions I would love to pursue. From a
I agree with Steve - Aaron seems to have had a really bad experience. But that
is far from universal.
Here is what I would say (note: I loved grad school, and am now an assistant
professor):
1) Yes, be proactive! Faculty love to hear from bright students, and to me
hearing that a student
1) I wouldn't go to grad school for science these days. Universities and
faculty are far too exploitative and the career opportunities requiring
a graduate degree are far too few (especially in academia and
government). Best to get out there and get a job and experience with
those years, or
Wow! I couldn¹t think of any worse advise. If I had followed these
guidelines I would have not been anywhere near where I am today and would
have not met some of the most inspiring, motivating, creative, and smart
people, who have become some of my best friends and colleagues.
Steve
On
If you want to know what to do in graduate school, how to go about being in
graduate school, and how to be a success in graduate school, and
successfully find a job after graduate school,
Read this:
P.B. Medawar, Advice to a Young Scientist
Wow, I too am amazed by the tone of this message - obviously it is coming from
some deep-seated indignation based on someone’s previous bad experience. A much
as I strongly disagree with the main message, I do agree that any student needs
to research any and all potential advisors. Different
It's really unfortunate that the first, longest and most detailed answer
to this student's questions was so very negative and discouraging. That is
not a typical experience and many of us are happy we followed our
interests.
where should i click on the like buttom for this last answer?
Eve
Emily,
As someone who is still looking for a graduate research position, I have
found that keeping eyes open on jobs and graduate opportunities is important.
I really wanted to keep my momentum after graduating and get an MS or PhD. I
was communicating with a professor that told me that
where should i click on the like buttom for this last answer?
Eve
On May 27, 2015 5:55 PM, Stephen L. Young sl...@cornell.edu wrote:
Wow! I couldn¹t think of any worse advise. If I had followed these
guidelines I would have not been anywhere near where I am today and would
have not met some
Sadly bitter and dripping with expectations of entitlement. Not a good way
to enter ANY career.
--
Tom Horton, Mycology
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SUNY-ESF, Syracuse, NY 13210
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On 5/27/15, 6:56 PM, Aaron T. Dossey bugoc...@gmail.com wrote:
1) I
Hi Emily,
I kind of did the thing you propose and also tried Aaron's road. When I
started with my PhD I already had a research proposal ready. I knew what I
wanted to study, I just needed supervisors that were happy to support me
and I needed funding. I talked with several professors from three
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