Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
On the other hand, Elecraft can't afford to expend resources on new features for products no longer in production. Professional development costs money, and there's no revenue stream from free firmware for products that are not for sale. It might even have a negative effect by influencing users

Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread David Woolley
My impression is that all hobbyist fused filament printer use open source firmware. The difference is likely to be whether the vendor pre-configures and pre-installs it. That probably applies to all fused filament printers. I think the original movement behind these was that you could, large

Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread Paul Evans W4/VP9KF
"but even so how about N1MM+, " Not that 'we' are any longer talking about Elecraft firmware... N1MM Logger+, Logger32, etc., etc. are NOT Open Source! They are merely FREE. Get me a source code listing for these products. You can't. If Elecraft hadn't secured the firmware in their PIC cont

Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread Rich NE1EE
On 2020-11-26 23:26:-0500, SteveL wrote: >I own a popular open-source based 3D printer.really worse than the >version you hoped to repair, or dramatically changed in ways that demand >relearning from the beginning. > >... I wanted to print - not test and debug code! These are both situations

Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread Rich NE1EE
On 2020-11-26 21:47:-0700, David Gilbert wrote: >"I can't think of one open source, community-based product that I'd want to >hang my hat on, even if I do see some that I'd support.� � I just don't see >the professional depth in the general community." > >Presumably you're talking about the amat

Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread len
"I can't think of one open source, community-based product that I'd want to hang my hat on, even if I do see some that I'd support. I just don't see the professional depth in the general community." Linux? Gcc? >From what I can tell Linux pretty much owns much of the market for servers and man

[Elecraft] MARS Mod be available for K4?

2020-11-27 Thread Bill Carter via Elecraft
I would like to use it for SHARES. Bill, W7WEC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www

[Elecraft] Combined KPA100 and KAT100 is sold!

2020-11-27 Thread wks9478
The unit has been claimed! Tanks, Bill K5EMI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.q

[Elecraft] (Fwd) Fw: Synagogue newsletters

2020-11-27 Thread wa3afs
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Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread David Gilbert
N1MM+ may not open source in the strict sense, but it IS collaborative by a pretty large base of contributors who do it merely as a side job.  In terms of how it has been developed it is as close to being open source as you can get without being updated by random contributors, and it most cer

Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread Walter Underwood
> "I can't think of one open source, community-based product that I'd want to > hang my hat on, even if I do see some that I'd support. I just don't see the > professional depth in the general community.” OpenSSL pretty much runs the entire secure Internet. Linux, Python, etc. But those are exce

Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread len
" OpenSSL pretty much runs the entire secure Internet. Linux, Python, etc. But those are exceptions." And an interesting statistic... "It's often said that more than half of new businesses fail during the first year. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), this isn't necessaril

Re: [Elecraft] K3 FT8 Levels Sanity Check

2020-11-27 Thread Joseph M. Durnal
It has been doing well with the settings I posted. One of the schools of thought is to use the most gain in the final stage, which should be the line gain on the K3. With the KIO3B the levels on the computer, Windows volume & Pwr slider in WSJT-X should be known quantities. I suppose, OS & drive

Re: [Elecraft] Sunspots!?!?

2020-11-27 Thread Fred Jensen
The contrarian view is based on a correlation analysis of the distance between "termination events" and the activity of the following cycle.  The earlier [lower] estimates for Cycle 25 were based on physical solar dynamics.  I remember Cycle 19, I was a teenage ham with a new Extra, and I of co

Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread weave...@usermail.com
You are exactly right Len. A majority of the worlds biggest super computers are run on open source software (Not Windows :)). The June 2020 list here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500. Android devices, imbedded devices, most web browsers etc. The list goes on and on. it’s about quality devel

Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread weave...@usermail.com
I understated my previous post a bit. All of the TOP 500 supercomputers run a derivaion of an open source operating system per the wikipedia page. 73, Bill WE5P Comfortably Numb > On Nov 27, 2020, at 15:26, weave...@usermail.com wrote: > >  > You are exactly right Len. A majority of the world

Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
The phrase "run a DERIVATION of an open source operating system" is key. It is just a basis for their software. I would bet not a one of them would open up the full source code used on their hardware. They might reveal which open source operating system they based their software on, but not

Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread Rich NE1EE
On 2020-11-27 12:29:-0700, l...@ka7ftp.com wrote: >It seems that this thread has become the whipping boy for open source. I >would suggest that it is irrelevant whether something is open or closed >source. There have been many good comments pro and con open source here...I am not sure how my

Re: [Elecraft] MARS Mod be available for K4?

2020-11-27 Thread Wayne Burdick
Yes. Wayne N6KR elecraft.com > On Nov 27, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Bill Carter via Elecraft > wrote: > > I would like to use it for SHARES. > > Bill, W7WEC > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listi

Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread David Gilbert
This whole thread has suffered from a confluence of two separate issues. One is whether or not open source software in general is quality stuff, and even "derivations" of open source software require that the underlying bits represent good design and good code.  Some here have essentially cl

Re: [Elecraft] K3 FT8 Levels Sanity Check

2020-11-27 Thread Jim Rhodes
Another thing to remember is that you are generating a signal in single sideband mode. You can also get a pretty good setting by increasing the gain until it just gets to the power level you have set on the RF out meter. That is what I do on some of my non-Elecraft rigs. Your level then should not

Re: [Elecraft] Sunspots!?!?

2020-11-27 Thread Rich NE1EE
On 2020-11-26 20:30:-0700, Robert Cunnings wrote: > >The article has a link to the paper, it's worth reading.Bob NW8L Thanks so much for posting this...I have been contacted

Re: [Elecraft] K3 FT8 Levels Sanity Check

2020-11-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Jim, That may work OK for non-Elecraft gear, but with the power control mechanism used by Elecraft, not having sufficient audio drive will cause "power hunting". Drive the soundcard audio for digital modes to 4 bars solid with the 5th flashing on the ALC meter. Then set the power knob for t

Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development

2020-11-27 Thread weave...@usermail.com
True, while the core of the system, not the device drivers and higher level applications are open. 73, Bill WE5P Comfortably Numb > On Nov 27, 2020, at 16:10, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > The phrase "run a DERIVATION of an open source operating system" is key. > > It is just a basis for their sof

[Elecraft] delete

2020-11-27 Thread Donald Schliesser
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[Elecraft] Sorry

2020-11-27 Thread wa3afs
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Re: [Elecraft] Sorry

2020-11-27 Thread w...@w2xj.net
It would be nice if we knew what this is all about. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2020, at 6:05 PM, wa3...@nycap.rr.com wrote: > >  > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://

Re: [Elecraft] Sorry

2020-11-27 Thread wa3afs
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Re: [Elecraft] Sorry

2020-11-27 Thread w...@w2xj.net
So how would we know that without context? Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2020, at 7:34 PM, wa3...@nycap.rr.com wrote: > >  > I accidently forwarded to this reflector some jokes that had no relationship > to elecraft or ham radio. > > Again, sorry > > On 27 Nov 2020 at 18:20, w...@w2xj.net w

Re: [Elecraft] Sorry

2020-11-27 Thread Phil Kane
On 11/27/2020 4:37 PM, w...@w2xj.net wrote: So how would we know that without context? Blank content usually indicates that it contains HTML, not text. From the original subject it appeared to be a mis-posting of his congregation's Synagogue Bulletin. I would be interested in seeing how ot

[Elecraft] Test

2020-11-27 Thread Helge Loider via Elecraft
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