In message
caey+zho7p8ud3cpwftnkrbzvembc0fgrfclkaqrcoz4pdh2...@mail.gmail.com,
dated Thu, 24 Oct 2013, EMC Guy emc.guy@gmail.com writes:
Big chip makers like Texas Instruments and others sell Eval boards to
let developers test out a chip before deciding if they want to include
it in
bericht-
Van: Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
Verzonden: Monday, November 04, 2013 6:23 PM
Aan: EMC-PSTC; ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
Hi Gert,
To Piotr: ESD test are normally carried out
In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA48920A300@ZEUS.cetest.local,
dated Tue, 5 Nov 2013, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
g.grem...@cetest.nl writes:
Note that they are addressed to the member states and their legal
advisors and not to the end users.
That has been put forward
Aan: EMC-PSTC; ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
Hi Gert,
To Piotr: ESD test are normally carried out on enclosure and connector
shielding, not to internal circuits.
HCP and VCP discharge are designed
Some 'experts' were recruited at some stage as 'advisers', but
the selection seems to have been based on criteria other than technical
expertise.
As always :) or rather
As always :(
Piotr Galka
-
This message is from the IEEE
In message
caey+zhpwfgbq9ctmf5rn-dp6a6sr0tauarovia5ch3sd6sx...@mail.gmail.com,
dated Tue, 5 Nov 2013, EMC Guy emc.guy@gmail.com writes:
. Although I'm really holding on to Brian Kunde's interpretation of
apparatus and end-user as described in the Guide for the EMC Directive.
I wouldn't
@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:44 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
I've been reading through all your answers and comments like through a good
book. I still have no idea how the story will end!
To follow-up
]
Verzonden: Monday, November 04, 2013 6:23 PM
Aan: EMC-PSTC; ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
Hi Gert,
To Piotr: ESD test are normally carried out on enclosure and connector
shielding, not to internal circuits
Hi Gert,
It's not a absolute requirement for these board to be sold
as a bare PCB. It has consequences for the prices of course but
that is valid for each device, not for development boards only.
Not agree.
I hardly can imagine not development board sold without enclosure and
destined to
In message
CAEY+ZhP=xo6m36mu3odkkmzxq8ma0cb360wphpzsnatt9vs...@mail.gmail.com,
dated Tue, 5 Nov 2013, EMC Guy emc.guy@gmail.com writes:
It starts out very promising, but then it says: ...and that the
equipment will comply with the appropriate rules before delivery to the
buyer The
Original message
From: EMC Guy emc.guy@gmail.com
Date: 11/05/2013 9:37 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
Gary,
You are referring to FCC CFR47 Part 2.803 (c)(2)
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(ii) A radio frequency
: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:20 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
In message
CAEY+ZhP=xo6m36mu3odkkmzxq8ma0cb360wphpzsnatt9vs...@mail.gmail.com,
dated Tue, 5 Nov 2013, EMC Guy emc.guy@gmail.com writes:
It starts out very
In message 7gvlanbec00i8qwsu6b4is3d.1383671852...@email.android.com,
dated Tue, 5 Nov 2013, Ron Pickard rpick...@rpqconsulting.com writes:
However, please note the last sentence of the Article 4.3 paragraph,
Demonstration may only take place provided that adquate measures are
taken to avoid
Hi Gert,
To Piotr: ESD test are normally carried out on enclosure
and connector shielding, not to internal circuits.
HCP and VCP discharge are designed for this.
My logic is:
The idea of ESD test is to check possible events which can happen in normal
use of device.
The possible source of
In message 0D28C9BA9E9F4B019163BCA9DE6FACE6@MmPc24, dated Mon, 4 Nov
2013, Piotr Galka piotr.ga...@micromade.pl writes:
When I first time read EMC (in 2002 - two years before we (Poland)
joined EU) the question about prototype board was my first thought.
Being not clear solved in directive
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F 31(0)104154953
Before printing, think about the environment.
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Verzonden: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 2:49 PM
Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer
In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA48920A2D2@ZEUS.cetest.local,
dated Wed, 30 Oct 2013, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
g.grem...@cetest.nl writes:
Being/Owning a test house I am officially
allowed to put into service non-tested equipment, and even non
compliant equipment
requirements for developer/evaluation boards
No John, no jail for me.
Being/Owning a test house I am officially allowed to put into service
non-tested equipment, and even non compliant equipment without any
restriction
Regards,
Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc
about the environment.
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Verzonden: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:38 PM
Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
In message
caey
In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA48920A2C6@ZEUS.cetest.local,
dated Tue, 29 Oct 2013, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
g.grem...@cetest.nl writes:
I think the real reason for this exception going unnoticed is simply
because they are shipped in small quantities (1 at a
[mailto:emc.guy@gmail.com]
Sent: 25 October 2013 16:48
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
Hi Brian,
Your summary is exemplary. It points out exactly what I have also read in
the Guide, that lead me to believe that a Developer
On 10/28/2013 1247, John Cotman wrote:
Even if the EMC Directive is not applicable by virtue of the end
user definition, the item looks as if it could well be in RoHS scope,
RoHS also now being a CE-marking directive. If that is the case, it
would at least need CE marking under that
Thanks to all for the reminder on the RoHS II part of the CE-marking. It
is still not burned in my head that they are now combined.
I've looked at that Intel webpage disclaimer, and it really looks like
something invented by their legal department to get out of EMC-testing
their eval boards.
...@microsoft.com
The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
employer.
From: EMC Guy [mailto:emc.guy@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 2:20 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
Thanks to all
In message
caey+zhng2vxxykmy11nygckz5mgxk9jenkahdj2khnewuyn...@mail.gmail.com,
dated Mon, 28 Oct 2013, EMC Guy emc.guy@gmail.com writes:
I've looked at that Intel webpage disclaimer, and it really looks like
something invented by their legal department to get out of EMC-testing
their
In message
bce6e11441ea4a8bb0660c8fb12d6...@blupr03mb034.namprd03.prod.outlook.com
, dated Mon, 28 Oct 2013, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com writes:
RoHS II (2011/65/EC) Article 2, Section 4 (j) specifically exempts
?equipment specifically designed solely for the purposes of research
and
and put CE on it.
Best Regards
Piotr Galka
- Original Message -
From: EMC Guy
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
Hi Brian,
Your summary is exemplary. It points out
Hi Gert,
The boards you mention are supposed to comply with the requirements.
and probably are.
How do you expect them to pass ESD test ?
The rationale (in my opinion) is to select any point where (during normal use)
ESD can probably happen and have any effect.
If the board has not case,
(0)104154953
Before printing, think about the environment.
Van: EMC Guy [mailto:emc.guy@gmail.com]
Verzonden: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:22 PM
Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
Dear Group,
Big chip makers like
In message
caey+zho7p8ud3cpwftnkrbzvembc0fgrfclkaqrcoz4pdh2...@mail.gmail.com,
dated Thu, 24 Oct 2013, EMC Guy emc.guy@gmail.com writes:
I would like to know the EMC requirements for, let's say the US and
Europe (FCC and CE), on this type of equipment not intended for sale to
the
the environment.*
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*Van:* EMC Guy [mailto:emc.guy@gmail.com]
*Verzonden:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:22 PM
*Aan:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Onderwerp:* [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
** **
Dear Group,
Big chip makers like Texas
In message
caey+zhmv+erfxd--dvutjklyva7wbr1dtjdkjxfqyj6m5lg...@mail.gmail.com,
dated Fri, 25 Oct 2013, EMC Guy emc.guy@gmail.com writes:
. My literature research did not come up with anything helpful,
especially for Europe
As I explained, you will not find anything explicit about this
Message-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:22 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
In message
caey+zhmv+erfxd--dvutjklyva7wbr1dtjdkjxfqyj6m5lg...@mail.gmail.com,
dated Fri, 25 Oct 2013
6:22 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
In message
caey+zhmv+erfxd--dvutjklyva7wbr1dtjdkjxfqyj6m5lg...@mail.gmail.com,
dated Fri, 25 Oct 2013, EMC Guy emc.guy@gmail.com writes:
. My literature research did not come up
.
Chris
-Original Message-
From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 8:25 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards
The Guide for the EMC Directive may be somewhat helpful
Dear Group,
Big chip makers like Texas Instruments and others sell Eval boards to let
developers test out a chip before deciding if they want to include it in
their design. These boards are usually not encased in a metal box, and are
meant to be used naked on a workbench with often many, many
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