Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-05-02 Thread Mark Hone
Gentlemen - Thank you all for your help, as always it has produced balanced answers to my query, coming at it from all sides. I can argue* confidently with colleagues here now. With best grateful regards, Mark * that word should have been discuss but you know how it is... -- Mark Hone HESS

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-05-02 Thread Piotr Galka
Nick, These conversation made me to look for the Machinery Directive (I have never read before). Having no time to read the whole I made a fast search for word 'moving' but I can't find the place the machinery is defined as anything containing moving parts as I understand from conversation

[PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-04-30 Thread Mark Hone
Dear Colleagues, I know that you are all patient with what might seem silly questions, so I hope you'll be patient with mine. I have not had to consider the Machinery Directive before, but a new electrical product has a moving part in it. It's a wholly enclosed (inaccessible in the middle of

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-04-30 Thread John Cotman
a machinery assessment would consider this. John C -Original Message- From: Mark Hone [mailto:mh...@wellmandefence.co.uk] Sent: 30 April 2012 14:12 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question? Dear Colleagues, I know that you are all patient with what

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-04-30 Thread Ted Eckert
expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -Original Message- From: Mark Hone [mailto:mh...@wellmandefence.co.uk] Sent: 30 April 2012 14:12 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question? Dear Colleagues, I know that you

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-04-30 Thread Nick Williams
Message- From: Mark Hone [mailto:mh...@wellmandefence.co.uk] Sent: 30 April 2012 14:12 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question? Dear Colleagues, I know that you are all patient with what might seem silly questions, so I hope you'll be patient

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-04-30 Thread Charlie Blackham
or failing that, a standard that covers your (type of) product. Regards Charlie -Original Message- From: Ted Eckert [mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com] Sent: 30 April 2012 17:01 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question? The first question I would ask

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-04-30 Thread Ted Eckert
...@wellmandefence.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:mh...@wellmandefence.co.uk] Sent: 30 April 2012 14:12 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question? Dear Colleagues, I know that you are all patient with what might seem silly questions, so I hope

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-04-30 Thread Carl Newton
Directive silly question? Dear Colleagues, I know that you are all patient with what might seem silly questions, so I hope you'll be patient with mine. I have not had to consider the Machinery Directive before, but a new electrical product has a moving part in it. It's a wholly enclosed

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-04-30 Thread Peter Merguerian
Mark, You need to do a comprehensive risk assessment and determine if the risk of injury to persons using or servicing the equipment is more mechanical or more electrical. You may have a moving part that is inside the equipment and inaccessible. How fast is that moving part? How is it

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-04-30 Thread Birdsall, Gail
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question? The first question I would ask is whether there is a product specific standard that covers your product. If so, then determine if that product specific standard is a harmonized standard under one of the other directives

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-04-30 Thread Nick Williams
employer. -Original Message- From: Mark Hone [mailto:mh...@wellmandefence.co.uk] Sent: 30 April 2012 14:12 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question? Dear Colleagues, I know that you are all patient with what might seem silly questions, so I

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-04-30 Thread Nick Williams
This is incorrect. This approach was permitted by 98/37/EC but 2006/42/EC no longer permits this kind of analysis. Regards Nick. On 30 Apr 2012, at 18:33, Peter Merguerian wrote: Mark, You need to do a comprehensive risk assessment and determine if the risk of injury to persons using

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-04-30 Thread Ted Eckert
The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -Original Message- From: Mark Hone [mailto:mh...@wellmandefence.co.uk] Sent: 30 April 2012 14:12 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question? Dear Colleagues, I

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?

2012-04-30 Thread Peter Merguerian
Nick Thanks for the update. I have been away from the machinery world for some time now. Best Regards Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Nick Williams