Re: [PSES] UL Certification status of a re-sold UPS

2016-03-19 Thread John Allen
John Good points, and I generally agree. But, if you are a technically competent company, it should be relatively easy - if your consider that you do need to - to get your servicing or development departments to check these aspects out on the item(s) concerned, and thus confirm that that

Re: [PSES] UL Certification status of a re-sold UPS

2016-03-19 Thread John R Merrill
Hello Lauren In general would call it Status Unknown. The issues become how do you verify that it has not been tampered with while it was in an uncontrolled environment? Would you be able to tell if all the original required documents were included in the box with the product? Unless you are

Re: [PSES] Radiated Emissions testing of Emergency Luminaire with 2.4GHz transceiver

2016-03-19 Thread Paasche, Dieter
How about section 8.2 second paragraph? My opinion is. The radio section shall comply with class B of EN 55022 and the light fixture to EN 55015. "8.2 Enclosure of ancillary equipment measured on a standalone basis This test is only applicable to ancillary equipment not incorporated in the

Re: [PSES] Will the ECJ end the New Approach?

2016-03-19 Thread John Woodgate
That indeed is an important issue. ENs based on IEC and ISO standards would have to be completely re-written so as to be 'technically equivalent' but not copies. However, the IEC publishes only in English, French, Spanish and (rarely) Russian. It is not clear what would happen about ENs in other

Re: [PSES] IEC component standards

2016-03-19 Thread Erick Latvala
Amund, The UL version of 60950-1 includes a table of components in Annex P (Annex P.1 and Annex P.2) that shows UL, CSA and IEC standards that might be helpful. Erick Latvala, P.E. | Product Safety Specialist 3M Corporate Research Laboratory | SEMS

[PSES] Radiated Emissions testing of Emergency Luminaire with 2.4GHz transceiver

2016-03-19 Thread Elliott Martinson
Hi all, I have a product family to run pre-compliance measurements on. They are lighting fixtures, so normally they'd fall under the scope of EMCD and IEC/EN 55015. However, these particular fixtures have a wireless transmitter and receiver, so my (limited) understanding is that these would

Re: [PSES] UL Certification status of a re-sold UPS

2016-03-19 Thread John Allen
Lauren IMHO, it depends on: - Does the resold unit look to be in good condition and "as shipped by the manufacturer" condition? - Is it pretty clear that it has not been tampered with in any way since it was shipped by him? - Does it still comply with the (versions of)

Re: [PSES] Pre-Amp mounted to antenna

2016-03-19 Thread Kunde, Brian
I'm sorry to hear your story. A company I once worked for was screwed over by a government controlled Foreign company so I know what you are talking about. I thought 9913 coax is RG-8, or is RG8/U different than RG-8. In any case, we use 3/4" Heliax cable on our 10M site which runs from

Re: [PSES] test message

2016-03-19 Thread Kevin . McCandless
Hey John, The last post I see from you was on 2/24 and that was a test email as well. Best regards, Kevin ___ Kevin McCandless   |   Schneider Electric   |   Partner Business - EcoBuilding Division -

Re: [PSES] UL Certification status of a re-sold UPS

2016-03-19 Thread John Allen
I.E. Richard, Kevin and I pretty much agree on the important criteria (and I’m “only” a “Brit” J). John Allen W.London, UK From: Kevin Robinson [mailto:kevinrobinso...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 March 2016 20:58 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] UL Certification status of a

Re: [PSES] Will the ECJ end the New Approach?

2016-03-19 Thread Brian O'Connell
People more familiar with the Brussels mime and actor troupe needs to expound. But for U.S., the IEC-based standards, even where adopted by ANSI and listed by the OSHA NRTL site, cannot be released to the public domain because the original IP belongs to an NGO not financed by the public.

Re: [PSES] Radiated Emissions testing of Emergency Luminaire with 2.4GHz transceiver

2016-03-19 Thread Bill Stumpf
Elliott, Refer to Normative Annex C of ETSI EN 301 489-1 where it indicates that for combined equipment whose functions can operate independently, you should apply the product family standard to the non-radio function of the product. Bill Stumpf - Lab / Technical Manager D.L.S. Electronic

Re: [PSES] test message

2016-03-19 Thread John Woodgate
Outlook keeps doing that, but It isn't in there at present. I think the problem is cause by my not using 'reply all'. Outlook tries to reply only to the poster. With best wishes OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England > -Original

Re: [PSES] Pre-Amp mounted to antenna

2016-03-19 Thread Grasso, Charles
What antenna are you using? The gain you are seeking seems a little low.. Best Regards Charles Grasso Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications (w) 303-706-5467 (c) 303-204-2974 (t) 3032042...@vtext.com (e)

Re: [PSES] My replies to post aren't appearing on the list

2016-03-19 Thread John Woodgate
I think you have it!. My old email client defaulted to 'reply to list'. With best wishes OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England > -Original Message- > From: Elliott Martinson [mailto:elliott.martin...@etcconnect.com] > Sent: Friday,

[PSES] UL Certification status of a re-sold UPS

2016-03-19 Thread Crane, Lauren
Hello all, I am looking for some insight on how to understand the certification status of a UPS that was originally UL Certified but is being resold after having spent some time with another owner. I see in the UL YEDU.GuideInfo for Uninterruptible Power-supply Equipment a paragraph which

[PSES] test message

2016-03-19 Thread John Woodgate
Test message. I'm still not seeing any of my posts reflected back to me. Are they appearing on the list? With best wishes OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England - This message is

Re: [PSES] Pre-Amp mounted to antenna

2016-03-19 Thread Kunde, Brian
We have a Biconlog. We currently have a 22dB pre-amp which is fine for class A levels but a close to 10dB+ above the noise floor near 1Ghz for class B. Moving the amp to the antenna should gain us several dB due to cable loss. We are also considering upgrading to a 40dB pre-amp. Any issues with

Re: [PSES] UL Certification status of a re-sold UPS

2016-03-19 Thread Kevin Robinson
Hello Lauren, OSHA issued a Safety and Health Information Bulletin (SHIB) on a similar topic dealing with resold/refurbished equipment http://www.osha.gov/dts/shib/shib021610.html Assuming there have been no modifications made to the equipment and it appears to be as it was when it left the

Re: [PSES] UL Certification status of a re-sold UPS

2016-03-19 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Lauren: Whether used (resold) or rebuilt, the equipment must meet all the requirements of the standard for the certification mark to be valid. If the equipment has been rebuilt and re-certified, you know that it meets all of the requirements. If the equipment is used, you don't

Re: [PSES] test message

2016-03-19 Thread John Allen
John Received here. John Allen W.London, UK -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: 18 March 2016 17:16 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] test message Test message. I'm still not seeing any of my posts reflected back to me. Are they

[PSES] Test message 160319

2016-03-19 Thread John Woodgate
Test message 160319 at the request of Scott Douglas. With best wishes OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society

Re: [PSES] Will the ECJ end the New Approach?

2016-03-19 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
Free access to all NFPA codes and standards is available online (view only) with a simple registration but it's painful to use for anything more than a small reference. -Dave -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 4:49

Re: [PSES] Pre-Amp mounted to antenna

2016-03-19 Thread Cortland Richmond
On 3/16/2016 1:16 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote: We currently have a 22dB pre-amp which is fine for class A levels but a close to 10dB+ above the noise floor near 1Ghz for class B. Moving the amp to the antenna should gain us several dB due to cable loss. Back in the '90's, I spent some of my own

Re: [PSES] IEC component standards

2016-03-19 Thread Charlie Blackham
Amund Annex ZA of the standard contains a number of such Normative References Regards Charlie From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: 17 March 2016 06:21 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] IEC component standards Looking for a site where I can find listing of IEC

Re: [PSES] UL Certification status of a re-sold UPS

2016-03-19 Thread Crane, Lauren
Thanks all for the great feedback. You've provided exactly the information and ideas I was looking for. Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post

Re: [PSES] test message

2016-03-19 Thread John Woodgate
Noted. I intended to reply to list. Maybe I didn't. With best wishes OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England > -Original Message- > From: Elliott Martinson [mailto:elliott.martin...@etcconnect.com] > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:16 PM