At one time or another, we certainly all do. Each NRTL has its own level of
absurdity, whether by being too harsh or too lax.
There is one NRTL the international safety community of a previous employer
had agreed was lax to the point of not accepting any component or OEM device
that certified
(Tania)'; 'Loop, Robert'
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Got another beef about an NRTL (haven't we all?)
On Component Recognition:
1) I can certainly sympathize with an NRTL reserving the right to reject
another NRTL's component recognition/certification. After all, an NRTL has
Solutions
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From: Loop, Robert [ mailto:rl...@hnt.wylelabs.com
mailto:rl...@hnt.wylelabs.com ]
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:58 AM
To: tgr...@lucent.com
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Got another beef about an NRTL (haven't we all?)
Hi Tania,
At Wyle
Bravo Robert - you're right on the mark.
Dan Kinney
Horner APG
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From: Loop, Robert [SMTP:rl...@hnt.wylelabs.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:58 AM
To: tgr...@lucent.com
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Got another beef about an NRTL
, Robert [ mailto:rl...@hnt.wylelabs.com
mailto:rl...@hnt.wylelabs.com ]
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:58 AM
To: tgr...@lucent.com
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Got another beef about an NRTL (haven't we all?)
Hi Tania,
At Wyle Laboratories (one of the many NRTL's), we
...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Got another beef about an NRTL
Importance: High
All right, let's get specific here and actually use some names! UL has a
Mutual Recognition Agreement with CSA to accept each other's test reports.
This agreement also specifies details about how they conduct
24, 2000 6:06 PM
To: 'Maxwell, Chris'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Got another beef about an NRTL
Importance: High
Chris,
The NRTL mark is not for your pleasure and convenience. It is for
consumers who don't want their Christmas lights to light up their whole
[mailto:chr...@gnlp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:47 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Got another beef about an NRTL
This argument highlights why I like the self-declaration route to
conformance.
If I was NRTL A, I would be VERY cautious about accepting data from
Subject: Got another beef about an NRTL
Group,
What about another scenario that I have been in with two NRTL's.
For the sake of embarrassment,lets call them 'NRTL A' and 'NRTL B'
Firstly any components or equipment recognised or listed by an NRTL are
deemed
'acceptable' to OSHA so long
[mailto:jjuh...@fiberoptions.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 6:58 AM
To: 'duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Got another beef about an NRTL
Duncan,
I've had the scenario with my end product (very simple product - metal
enclosure, SELV printed circuit
Subject: RE: Got another beef about an NRTL
This argument highlights why I like the self-declaration route to
conformance.
If I was NRTL A, I would be VERY cautious about accepting data from NRTL B
for a product that will be sold with my (NRTL A) mark on it.
I beleive that the system
:-)
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From: John Juhasz [SMTP:jjuh...@fiberoptions.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:58 AM
To: 'duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Got another beef about an NRTL
Duncan,
I've had the scenario with my end product
Juhasz
Fiber Options
Bohemia, NY
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From: duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com [mailto:duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 6:58 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Got another beef about an NRTL
Group,
What about another scenario that I have
Group,
What about another scenario that I have been in with two NRTL's.
For the sake of embarrassment,lets call them 'NRTL A' and 'NRTL B'
Firstly any components or equipment recognised or listed by an NRTL are deemed
'acceptable' to OSHA so long as it is used as prescribed in its conditions
, tgr...@lucent.com
Lucent Technologies, Switching Solutions Group
Intelligent Network and Messaging Solutions
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From: Doug [ mailto:dmck...@gte.net mailto:dmck...@gte.net ]
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 9:11 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: Got a beef with an NRTL
Dear All,
Okay. Well after some serious thought and reading
some great advice, I think I know the answer now.
I'll call my test engineer to confirm that this is
in fact simply an interpretation thing between him
and some other guy. Upon confirmation of this,
I'm going to tell my test
Not sure how far this will fly,
but I'm definitely going to find out.
Thanks.
- Doug
mike harris wrote:
Hi Doug,
I believe there is another option (which may or may not be palatable) - You
can ask your NRTL to strap out (bypass) the fuse and conduct whatever tests
they like if
Stephen Phillips wrote:
Also, are you sure there are no CofA's on this
supply?
Well, darned good question. But, heck if I can figure
out when the use of an AC fuse is acceptable in a DC
circuit. I will check though. I'd thought I'd seen
everything. But, like the saying goes,
Pete Perkins wrote:
Doug,
Well, as I remember a Recognized component is incomplete and has
Conditions
of Acceptability attached to it which subsequent users (including you, the
using manufacturer) plus the NRTL engineers are supposed to consider in
applying the component in
The cert house which approved the power supply is the
- exact same one - to which we took our product.
I do not want to get any more specific about which
NRTL it is for some obvious legal reasons.
Apologize for the vagueness.
I'm getting some good replies from people. But I can't
for
, it should be
acceptable.
Ed
From: peterh...@aol.com
Reply-To: peterh...@aol.com
To: dmck...@gte.net, emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: Got a beef with an NRTL ...
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:17:11 EDT
Doug,
I have used DC-DC power supply with the AC fuse on the PSU in our products
many times
of the additional
testing.
Mike Harris/Teccom
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From: Doug dmck...@gte.net
To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@ieee.org
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:50 AM
Subject: Got a beef with an NRTL ...
I'm just about ready to escalate
Doug,
I have used DC-DC power supply with the AC fuse on the PSU in our products
many times and have never heard such a saga from an agency. The PSU report
will certainly have C of A and in addition to that almost all test houses
when testing DC-Dc power supply which is fitted with AC fuse,
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From: Stephen Phillips [mailto:step...@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:07 AM
To: Doug; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group
Subject: Re: Got a beef with an NRTL ...
Doug,
You don't say for certain, but can we assume
that the fact that the NTRL even knew
to that component. Sorry. Call the manufacturer.
Good luck . . .
John Juhasz
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From: Doug [mailto:dmck...@gte.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 12:43 PM
To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group
Subject: Got a beef with an NRTL ...
I'm just about ready to escalate this issue
a beef with an NRTL ...
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I've had this kind of thing pulled on me before, to. Start with their team
leader, then group leader , then section head, then dept. manager, until you
get satisfaction.
Peter Tarver
ptar...@nortelnetworks.com
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From: Doug [mailto:dmck...@gte.net]
Sent: Thursday,
Doug,
Well, as I remember a Recognized component is incomplete and has
Conditions
of Acceptability attached to it which subsequent users (including you, the
using manufacturer) plus the NRTL engineers are supposed to consider in
applying the component in your application.
I do
Doug,
You don't say for certain, but can we assume
that the fact that the NTRL even knew of the
internal fuse's limitations - that you and the ps
company used the very same NRTL, including
the same office?
Or is this a case of one NRTL not accepting
the 'interpretation' of
I'm just about ready to escalate this issue.
Issue: Major NRTL has recognized a DC-DC power supply.
Said ps is being used within the confines of
it's stated purpose, input power, output power,
temps, etc ...
Said product is submitted to NRTL for what
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