Re: [Emc-users] Need help with servo tuning

2011-10-15 Thread Jon Elson
Bruce Klawiter wrote: >> > I may not be understanding this, when you say the "The fact that his Z axis > appears to have abnormal transients even when > disconnected from any command input" are you saying I unplugged something or > just that there is no code telling the Z axis to move. >

Re: [Emc-users] Need help with servo tuning

2011-10-15 Thread Bruce Klawiter
>Yup, that is a concern.  The fact that his Z axis appears to have >abnormal transients even when disconnected from any command input at the >same >time the X has similar transients seems to indicate a ground loop **IS** to >>blame for this.  There should be NO WAY that two amplifiers should ha

[Emc-users] and now for something completely different---visualizing EMC2 configurations

2011-10-15 Thread Kent A. Reed
Gentle persons: You've kindly put up with me bloviating on all manner of subjects for some years now. I owe you a more direct contribution. Despite the fact that I'm a lexical kind of guy who believes in the Tao of Unix (everything should be text that can be piped through filters / yada yada y

Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders

2011-10-15 Thread Tom Easterday
On Oct 15, 2011, at 9:46 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > Setting steplen or stepspace longer can only make the stepgens maximum > velocity _lower_ not higher, so that cannot help (unless you have an > interface > speed problem but this would not show up as a following error but rather as > misse

Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders

2011-10-15 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, Tom Easterday wrote: > Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:53:44 -0400 > From: Tom Easterday > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders > > > On Oct 15, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Peter C.

Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders

2011-10-15 Thread Tom Easterday
On Oct 15, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > I would check carefully that you do not have something, likely a velocity or > steplen/stepspace setting that limits the maximum stepgen speed. > > at your scale and speed you have a fairly slow step rate (82 KHz) which is > less than 1%

Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders

2011-10-15 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, Tom Easterday wrote: > Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:58:44 -0400 > From: Tom Easterday > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Cc: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders >

Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders

2011-10-15 Thread Tom Easterday
On Oct 15, 2011, at 7:29 PM, "Peter C. Wallace" wrote: > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, Tom Easterday wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:28:19 -0400 >> From: Tom Easterday >> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >> >> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] c

Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders

2011-10-15 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, Tom Easterday wrote: > Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:28:19 -0400 > From: Tom Easterday > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders > > > On Oct 15, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Dave wr

Re: [Emc-users] Source tree at server hacked

2011-10-15 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, October 15, 2011 06:13:02 PM Jon Elson did opine: > gene heskett wrote: > > I'll second those sentiments, Kent. I hope the logs are being kept > > for forensic purposes. Tracing the src IP could well be > > enlightening. > > Normally the hackers use other hacked-into computers, and

Re: [Emc-users] Source tree at server hacked

2011-10-15 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: > I'll second those sentiments, Kent. I hope the logs are being kept for > forensic purposes. Tracing the src IP could well be enlightening. > Normally the hackers use other hacked-into computers, and don't leave traces of their original computer. They may use several la

Re: [Emc-users] Need help with servo tuning

2011-10-15 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: >> Well there is two power supplies going to the amps so I am >> confused, please see the schematic here >> https://sites.google.com/site/bmklawt/home/control-schematic >> I don't know were the motor return line is >> > I think you will have to find it. There has been a d

Re: [Emc-users] Source tree at server hacked

2011-10-15 Thread Jon Elson
Kent A. Reed wrote: > Is it just me or does there seem to be an uptick in attacks on our > hosted resources? It makes me wonder if we've simply been "found" or if > someone has us specifically in their sights. > The one time my site had a serious attack, I got an email from RSA security to re

Re: [Emc-users] Need help with servo tuning

2011-10-15 Thread Jon Elson
Bruce Klawiter wrote: > Trying to get rid of spikes, see image 8 here: > https://sites.google.com/site/bmklawt/home/pid-tuning > > you need to check the + and - 15 Volts, or whatever the servo amps use > >> as the supply for their op-amps. Capacitors may have >> > deteriorated and th

Re: [Emc-users] Source tree at server hacked

2011-10-15 Thread Jon Elson
Karl Cunningham wrote: > On 10/14/2011 07:33 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > >> Sven Wesley wrote: >> >>> http://linuxcnc.org/hardy/dists/hardy/emc2.4-sim/binary-amd64/ >>> >>> >> I don't see anything unusual there, and nothing later than March 2011. >> >> Did I miss it? >> > > You may h

Re: [Emc-users] all those who thirst knowledge.

2011-10-15 Thread Jan de Kruyf
It was my pleasure! j. On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Frank Tkalcevic < fr...@franksworkshop.com.au> wrote: > Thank you, that was a great way to tune. > > I used halcmd from a terminal prompt to tweak the pid parameters. Having > the command line history is very convenient. > > I had to rep

Re: [Emc-users] all those who thirst knowledge.

2011-10-15 Thread Frank Tkalcevic
Thank you, that was a great way to tune. I used halcmd from a terminal prompt to tweak the pid parameters. Having the command line history is very convenient. I had to replace the "o10 while [1]" with "o10 repeat [100]". Axis doesn't like infinite loops! > -Original Message- > From:

Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders

2011-10-15 Thread Tom Easterday
On Oct 15, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > Will your step length/step space/maxvel parameters allow any (say 10 % > minimum) headroom at your maximum speed? > > This sounds exactly like what would happen when you run out of headroom Hmm, we will try playing with those. We were u

Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders

2011-10-15 Thread Tom Easterday
On Oct 15, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Dave wrote: > Tom, > > I'm running a couple of stepgens via a 5i20 card on one machine and it > is running much faster than what you are and I am not seeing overshoot > problems. > > I suspect your Max_accel below is lower than the accel values you have > set in

Re: [Emc-users] Need help with servo tuning

2011-10-15 Thread samco
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:00:54 -0400 gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, October 15, 2011 01:43:50 PM sa...@empirescreen.com did opine: > > > Here is our ground wiring.. (lower left hand corner of box. - yes it is > > messy) > > > > http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/groundwiring.jp

Re: [Emc-users] Need help with servo tuning

2011-10-15 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, October 15, 2011 01:43:50 PM sa...@empirescreen.com did opine: > Here is our ground wiring.. (lower left hand corner of box. - yes it is > messy) > > http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/groundwiring.jpg > > sam I've done worse myself that worked ok. The long bus bar

Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders

2011-10-15 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, Tom Easterday wrote: > Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:12:39 -0400 > From: Tom Easterday > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: [Emc-users] config without encoders > > We are having some issues turning a servo m

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Motion

2011-10-15 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2011-10-15 at 06:37 -0700, Karl Cunningham wrote: > On 10/14/2011 10:30 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: > > Homing will need to be worked out, or I could rig up an absolute > > encoder. I found that if I "setp encoder.0.reset 1", the carousel starts > > rotating until I get it set back to 0, and of

Re: [Emc-users] Need help with servo tuning

2011-10-15 Thread samco
Here is our ground wiring.. (lower left hand corner of box. - yes it is messy) http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/groundwiring.jpg sam On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:21:01 -0400 gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:12:40 PM Bruce Klawiter did opine: > > > Trying to ge

Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders

2011-10-15 Thread Dave
Tom, I'm running a couple of stepgens via a 5i20 card on one machine and it is running much faster than what you are and I am not seeing overshoot problems. I suspect your Max_accel below is lower than the accel values you have set in the INI file so you are telling the stepgen to go faster th

Re: [Emc-users] Source tree at server hacked

2011-10-15 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:21:56 PM Kent A. Reed did opine: > On 10/14/2011 6:17 PM, Sven Wesley wrote: > > http://linuxcnc.org/hardy/dists/hardy/emc2.4-sim/binary-amd64/ > > -- > > > > Is it just me or does there

Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders

2011-10-15 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2011-10-15 at 01:12 -0400, Tom Easterday wrote: > We are having some issues turning a servo motor with a Granite Devices > drive and in the process accidentally fried our homemade differential > to single ended conversion boards. We ordered some parts to repair > them and in the mean time

Re: [Emc-users] Need help with servo tuning

2011-10-15 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:12:40 PM Bruce Klawiter did opine: > Trying to get rid of spikes, see image 8 here: > https://sites.google.com/site/bmklawt/home/pid-tuning > > See the jitter here: http://www.youtube.com/user/bmklawt > > >Probably not the root cause of the problem, but you might

Re: [Emc-users] Source tree at server hacked

2011-10-15 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 10/14/2011 6:17 PM, Sven Wesley wrote: > http://linuxcnc.org/hardy/dists/hardy/emc2.4-sim/binary-amd64/ > -- > Is it just me or does there seem to be an uptick in attacks on our hosted resources? It makes me wonder if w

Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders

2011-10-15 Thread Tom Easterday
On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:53 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2011/10/15 Tom Easterday : >> When we run above 2000ipm we have significant following error >> >> Could our Mesa cards be doing something wrong? > > 2000 ipm = 50m/min and for me that is really fast. > Are You sure that stepgens on Mesa card

Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders

2011-10-15 Thread Tom Easterday
On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:53 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2011/10/15 Tom Easterday : >> When we run above 2000ipm we have significant following error >> >> Could our Mesa cards be doing something wrong? > > 2000 ipm = 50m/min and for me that is really fast. > Are You sure that stepgens on Mesa card ar

Re: [Emc-users] Need help with servo tuning

2011-10-15 Thread Bruce Klawiter
Trying to get rid of spikes, see image 8 here: https://sites.google.com/site/bmklawt/home/pid-tuning See the jitter here: http://www.youtube.com/user/bmklawt >Probably not the root cause of the problem, but you might try commenting >out all the backlash statements in your ini file. < Tried

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Motion

2011-10-15 Thread Karl Cunningham
On 10/14/2011 10:30 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: > Homing will need to be worked out, or I could rig up an absolute > encoder. I found that if I "setp encoder.0.reset 1", the carousel starts > rotating until I get it set back to 0, and of course the home position > is then lost. I suppose the procedure

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Motion

2011-10-15 Thread John Thornton
Hi Kirk, That is a nice overview of the setup. Can use that for the wiki or manuals? Thanks John On 10/15/2011 12:30 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote: > On Fri, 2011-10-14 at 15:43 -0400, Dave wrote: > ... snip >> The limit3 function is a very useful function. I have it running 3 >> axis on one machine

Re: [Emc-users] config without encoders

2011-10-15 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2011/10/15 Tom Easterday : > When we run above 2000ipm we have significant following error > > Could our Mesa cards be doing something wrong? 2000 ipm = 50m/min and for me that is really fast. Are You sure that stepgens on Mesa card are capable to produce steps at such a high frequency to keep up