Re: [Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch

2012-06-11 Thread dave
On 06/09/2012 02:03 PM, Tux Lab wrote: Can LinuxCNC be used instead of the original controller? John On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Jon Elsonel...@pico-systems.com wrote: Dave wrote: If the CNC control is GE, then the drives and likely GE also. I know a guy who might have some parts and

Re: [Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch

2012-06-11 Thread Dave
I forgot to mention. I think it is late 70's design so it is all TTL logic. The machine has 500K of memory which must have cost a small fortune back then. But it came out of a GE Jet engine plant, so it was GE supplying itself with GE equipment so it is no wonder it was a Cadillac control.

[Emc-users] G76, G33 revisited.

2012-06-11 Thread gene heskett
I just made another discovery. There apparently is not a following error stopper while G76 is running. Cutting all air, and after slowing the Z accel and maxvel to 75% of what I was using 3 days ago, I found that my Z can make a bit over 21 without any following errors regardless of what jig

Re: [Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch

2012-06-11 Thread Dave
I help keep one running.So it is possible. :-) We replaced all of the capacitors in the power supply after the machine was purchased. Cheap insurance. The drives have been trouble free, but the control flakes out once in a while. Usually it just stops and forgets what it is doing The

Re: [Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch

2012-06-11 Thread Igor Chudov
-- Forwarded message -- From: gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com Date: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net On Saturday, June 09, 2012 04:19:37 PM Jon Elson did opine: Dave wrote: If the CNC

Re: [Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch

2012-06-11 Thread Jon Elson
Tux Lab wrote: Can LinuxCNC be used instead of the original controller? Uhh, why would we be discussing it here unless that was possible? Several people have apparently used EMC2 in the past to retrofit a CNC punch. If you don't mind putting some dwells in the G-code, it can be used without

Re: [Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch

2012-06-11 Thread Igor Chudov
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: How does it work if one needs to punch a hole at the far end of the table? Does the head extend/telescope forward? The classic turret punch has two synchronized wheels that carry the punches

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe Threading

2012-06-11 Thread dave
On 06/09/2012 12:21 PM, sam sokolik wrote: Your not still running the index through classic ladder - are you? (1ms refresh rate is going to kill your speed) On 06/09/2012 02:08 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: On Sat, 9 Jun 2012, Brian May wrote: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:21:08 -0600 From:

Re: [Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch

2012-06-11 Thread Igor Chudov
Now I understand, thanks John. Any idea how much this 20 ton (20 ton rated effort) press weighs? Converting it to EMC and running it to make money would be really fun, if I could do so. i On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:30 AM, John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fmwrote: On Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe Threading

2012-06-11 Thread Dave
Except that the encoder is not a TTL output encoder but a differential line driver model encoder: http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Sensors_-z-_Encoders/Encoders/Medium_Duty_Standard_Shaft_%28TRD-N_Series%29/TRD-N1024-RZVWD TRD-N1024-RZVWD Brian are you sure this is the

Re: [Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch

2012-06-11 Thread Viesturs Lācis
But how would You prepare g-code for it? Viesturs 2012/6/10 Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com: Certainly On Jun 9, 2012 4:05 PM, Tux Lab project.tux...@gmail.com wrote: Can LinuxCNC be used instead of the original controller? John On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Jon Elson

[Emc-users] Question about steels?

2012-06-11 Thread gene heskett
Hi everybody; Basic beginners question: When I needed to make a new locking pin last week, I considered the relatively poor finish I was able to achieve using TSC's cold rolled stock, and walked 100 feet on by and picked up a grade 8 bolt big enough that I could find that pin inside it if I

[Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Jeshua Lacock
Greetings all, I am thinking these are the parts I am going to order to get started with a printer attachment for my CNC machine: http://store.makerbot.com/extruder-controller-v3-6.html $99 http://store.makerbot.com/stepstruder-mk7-complete.html

[Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Jeshua Lacock
Greetings all, I am thinking these are the parts I am going to order to get started with a printer attachment for my CNC machine: http://store.makerbot.com/extruder-controller-v3-6.html $99 http://store.makerbot.com/stepstruder-mk7-complete.html

Re: [Emc-users] G76, G33 revisited.

2012-06-11 Thread andy pugh
On 10 June 2012 00:11, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: despite Z being limited by its maxvel, it kept on trucking, which of course would have wrecked the thread in progress. The normal reaction to a f-error problem is to stop the axes and spindle, which would probably break the tool

Re: [Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch

2012-06-11 Thread andy pugh
On 10 June 2012 12:45, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: But how would You prepare g-code for it? I suspect you could remap a new G-code to mean Move to here, go thump -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

Re: [Emc-users] Question about steels?

2012-06-11 Thread andy pugh
On 10 June 2012 19:52, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: If I wanted to buy some stock steel that carved just as well, or perhaps even better, what alloy should I be ordering from one of these online metal peddlers? I use a lot of what we call Silver steel in the UK, and I think you call

Re: [Emc-users] Question about steels?

2012-06-11 Thread Jan de Kruyf
Basic beginners answer (on purely theoretical grounds) s235j2g3 or -g4 equals St37-3n (all according to DIN EN 10025 off course) This is a bit better than cold rolled and it is fully beruhigt, I think they mean stress relieved. it is classed as useable for machineparts, bolts, forged parts,

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 June 2012 01:09, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: http://www.geckodrive.com/geckodrive-step-motor-drives/g251x.html       $89 I think this is overkill for an extruder, which is only ever going to move relatively slowly. You would almost certainly be fine with one of the

Re: [Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch

2012-06-11 Thread John Kasunich
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 09:02 PM, Igor Chudov wrote: Thanks! Does it punch hydraulically? The punch drive varies. The oldest units use a crankshaft and an air operated clutch that connects it to a big flywheel for one revolution. Others use hydraulics, and some of the fancy new ones use

Re: [Emc-users] Question about steels?

2012-06-11 Thread Dave Caroline
EN8DM iirc is a steel we used for clock parts it is a free machining hardenable steel another term you may see is leaded steels but there are a huge number of steels. choices Dave Caroline -- Live Security Virtual

Re: [Emc-users] Question about steels?

2012-06-11 Thread Ed
gene heskett wrote: Hi everybody; Basic beginners question: SNIP If I wanted to buy some stock steel that carved just as well, or perhaps even better, what alloy should I be ordering from one of these online metal peddlers? Thanks all. Cheers, Gene A Grade 8 bolt will be about

Re: [Emc-users] Question about steels?

2012-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, June 11, 2012 12:08:24 PM andy pugh did opine: On 10 June 2012 19:52, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: If I wanted to buy some stock steel that carved just as well, or perhaps even better, what alloy should I be ordering from one of these online metal peddlers? I use a

[Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch

2012-06-11 Thread Roland Jollivet
On 11 June 2012 17:50, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 June 2012 12:45, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: But how would You prepare g-code for it? I suspect you could remap a new G-code to mean Move to here, go thump -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it.

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe Threading

2012-06-11 Thread Brian May
that is the correct encoder. I just verified the part number on the encoder itself. It was working for measuring RPM with the jumper in the TTL position (Where it has been the whole time). I just moved it to the Differential position and it still measures rpm fine. But, the index is still not

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread doug metzler
If you're going to get any kind of Gecko for this application get a G540 - handles all your axes at once (except the second head). But that is also a 15V part IIRC. But that's ok - the only reason the Makerbot uses a PC power supply is because they are dirt cheap and TUV certified. You can use

Re: [Emc-users] Question about steels?

2012-06-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 June 2012 17:11, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Other than they centerless grind it for a precise size surface when they call it drill rod, which doubles the $$ asking That can be an advantage, sometimes. Another reason I like it is that I can buy it on a saturday morning within

Re: [Emc-users] Question about steels?

2012-06-11 Thread John Thornton
Gene, I use 4140 or 41L40 for parts that need a good finish or have some toughness. 1018 is softer so you get a poor finish with light cuts. Here is a nice chart about different carbon steels, alloy steels and tool steels that we have on this side of the pond.

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe Threading

2012-06-11 Thread John Thornton
Do you have it wired up as TTL? John On 6/11/2012 11:44 AM, Brian May wrote: that is the correct encoder. I just verified the part number on the encoder itself. It was working for measuring RPM with the jumper in the TTL position (Where it has been the whole time). I just moved it to the

Re: [Emc-users] Question about steels?

2012-06-11 Thread Terry Christophersen
12L14 is better for finishes if the same part could be made with 1018 1144 (Stressproof) is even better for finishes and cuts like butter will crack when welded without preheating I see according to the chart 12L is supposed to be easier to machine than 1144 but the thing I like about 1144 is that

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread melamy
I just put together one of the mk7 extruders over the weekend. It is a great choice from my perspective anyway. The gecko driver will work fine. You will need a 820 ohm and 20 ohm resistor (put them in series) to set the current to the motor to 840ma. The driver will supply a constant current

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Joachim Franek
On Monday 11 June 2012 02:09:23 Jeshua Lacock wrote: Oh, can anyone recommend a decent RS485 card that will just work with Ubuntu? http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBRS485.htm But I have not tested it. Joachim

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Ed Nisley
On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 18:09 -0600, Jeshua Lacock wrote: try the MakerBot extruder controller My experiences with that thing may save you some heartache confusion: http://softsolder.com/2011/01/06/thing-o-matic-extruder-controller-power-supply-improvement/

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Fox Mulder
Am 11.06.2012 19:32, schrieb Joachim Franek: On Monday 11 June 2012 02:09:23 Jeshua Lacock wrote: Oh, can anyone recommend a decent RS485 card that will just work with Ubuntu? http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBRS485.htm But I have not tested it. Joachim This board should work

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:46:26 -0700, you wrote: I ended up throwing away my cheap Chinese junk stepper drivers because they kept missing steps when coming out of idle. I run Keling KL- 4030's which are inexpensive and have worked well for me. Made me laugh.. Keling KL-4030 are cheap Chinese

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe Threading

2012-06-11 Thread Brian May
I believe i have it correct. (actually i hope i do not so i can avoid buying an encoder...) I have all the wires going into the correct connection on the mesa board. The A A0, B B0, Z Z0, +5v and ground Sent from my iPod On Jun 11, 2012, at 10:58 AM, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Youda He
At $48 per kilo for material, it is on the expensive side, is there a place for cheaper material? -- Youda On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:46:26 -0700, you wrote: I ended up throwing away my cheap Chinese junk stepper drivers

Re: [Emc-users] Question about steels?

2012-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, June 11, 2012 08:12:56 PM andy pugh did opine: On 10 June 2012 19:52, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: If I wanted to buy some stock steel that carved just as well, or perhaps even better, what alloy should I be ordering from one of these online metal peddlers? I use a

Re: [Emc-users] Question about steels?

2012-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, June 11, 2012 08:28:52 PM andy pugh did opine: On 11 June 2012 17:11, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Other than they centerless grind it for a precise size surface when they call it drill rod, which doubles the $$ asking That can be an advantage, sometimes. Another

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe Threading

2012-06-11 Thread Dave
Differential line driver and Differential when it comes to encoders are usually one in the same. TTL and Differential are two entirely different things. There is only one TTL/Differential jumper per encoder channel on the 7i33 board. I think AD has a 1 year warranty on those encoders. If it

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe Threading

2012-06-11 Thread Dave
Are you supplying the 7i33 board with a 5v power source? If so do you have the jumper on the power jumper in the right position? On 6/11/2012 7:26 PM, Brian May wrote: I believe i have it correct. (actually i hope i do not so i can avoid buying an encoder...) I have all the wires going

Re: [Emc-users] Question about steels?

2012-06-11 Thread andy pugh
On 12 June 2012 01:33, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Another reason I like it is that I can buy it on a saturday morning within walking distance of home. If you are trying to make me jealous, you've succeeded.  There was a place in Fairmont, 40 miles one way up the superslab that

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jun 11, 2012, at 10:03 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 11 June 2012 01:09, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: http://www.geckodrive.com/geckodrive-step-motor-drives/g251x.html $89 I think this is overkill for an extruder, which is only ever going to move relatively slowly. You

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jun 11, 2012, at 10:46 AM, doug metzler wrote: If you're going to get any kind of Gecko for this application get a G540 - handles all your axes at once (except the second head). Thanks Doug, I actually have servos for my XYZ. I just want to get one extruder working for now. But in the

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jun 11, 2012, at 11:22 AM, mel...@earthlink.net wrote: I just put together one of the mk7 extruders over the weekend. It is a great choice from my perspective anyway. The gecko driver will work fine. You will need a 820 ohm and 20 ohm resistor (put them in series) to set the current to

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jun 11, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Ed Nisley wrote: On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 18:09 -0600, Jeshua Lacock wrote: try the MakerBot extruder controller My experiences with that thing may save you some heartache confusion:

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jun 11, 2012, at 5:49 PM, Youda He wrote: At $48 per kilo for material, it is on the expensive side, is there a place for cheaper material? Yes, I just had that on my list because I figured it was worth starting with known quality (its made by the people that make the extruder,

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread doug metzler
There's a contest going on for anyone who wants to take on the pellet to filament conversion: http://hackaday.com/2012/05/22/win-4-for-squirting-plastic-out-of-a-nozzle/ I have heard that the different providers have their own recipe for the filament, so it might not be just pure ABS or PLA.

Re: [Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch

2012-06-11 Thread Jon Elson
dave wrote: One of the projects that never quite happened at Galesburg was a cnc punch with stepper x and y. That one really would have been easy to do, if somebody had a couple G201 drives. 2 G201's and a digital output to trip the solenoid valve to fire the punch. Rotating the turret

Re: [Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch

2012-06-11 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: Thanks! Does it punch hydraulically? Modern Strippit and Amada punches are hydraulic, I can't say for the machine you have just bought. Should be quite easy to tell, though. Does it have a HUGE flywheel in it? If not, it is almost certainly hydraulic. This thing

Re: [Emc-users] Parting out a huge CNC turret punch

2012-06-11 Thread Jon Elson
Viesturs Lācis wrote: But how would You prepare g-code for it? For me, I'd probably use a text editor, but then I tend to do fairly simple stuff. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread doug metzler
Jeshua re: Are you using it on your mill, or do you have a dedicated printer for it? I built my own printer. If you go to http://www.thingiverse.com/DougM there's a piccie of it in my profile. It was my first foray into building a machine with a moving the table rather than a moving head