Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-08 Thread Igor Chudov
Thanks to all for some clarifications that encouraged me to take some ginger first steps towards this (read, bought a servo motor on ebay). Guys, do you think that this servo motor will do to motorize the knee of my Bridgeport Interact:

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-08 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: Thanks to all for some clarifications that encouraged me to take some ginger first steps towards this (read, bought a servo motor on ebay). Guys, do you think that this servo motor will do to motorize the knee of my Bridgeport Interact:

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-08 Thread Igor Chudov
- Igor On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: Thanks to all for some clarifications that encouraged me to take some ginger first steps towards this (read, bought a servo motor on ebay). Guys, do you think that this servo motor will do to

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-08 Thread K.J. Kirwan
Igor Chudov wrote: Thanks to all for some clarifications that encouraged me to take some ginger first steps towards this (read, bought a servo motor on ebay). Guys, do you think that this servo motor will do to motorize the knee of my Bridgeport Interact:

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-08 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: I think that the heavy knee will always sit tight on the acme screw. Other backlash may be at least repeatable. I will see. I am not totally averse to just putting an encoder on the knee handle shaft. Depending on how tight the ways are, it may be possible for the knee

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-08 Thread Igor Chudov
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I think that the heavy knee will always sit tight on the acme screw. Other backlash may be at least repeatable. I will see. I am not totally averse to just putting an encoder on the knee handle shaft.

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-08 Thread Igor Chudov
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:35 PM, K.J. Kirwan kjk_e...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: Thanks to all for some clarifications that encouraged me to take some ginger first steps towards this (read, bought a servo motor on ebay). Guys, do you think that this servo motor will do to

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-08 Thread dave
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 13:07 -0500, Igor Chudov wrote: - Igor On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: Thanks to all for some clarifications that encouraged me to take some ginger first steps towards this (read, bought a servo motor

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-08 Thread Jon Elson
dave wrote: I have a glass scale on my W (acme screw). It is stable to about 1 or two tenths on the upstroke. I try to overshoot and come back when lowering it. Well, that's what I do manually on my knee, and it works fine. I have observed about .001 movement generally in the Y direction

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-06 Thread dave
Eh? RS-267B, AIA NAS -938 and ISO/R831 do indeed define direction, etc. right hand rule. pg 1165 of my rather ancient 24 Ed of the Machinery Handbook. Dave On Fri, 2010-09-03 at 12:48 -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Igor, All the names of axes are symbols used to facilitate

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-04 Thread Jon Elson
Jon Elson wrote: Right, so at least with EMC2, the spindle is not a named axis, as the only command it will follow is speed (S) and direction (M02, M04). That should be M03, M04. Jon -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-03 Thread Jon Elson
Stuart Stevenson wrote: if each of the axes is perfectly straight you will get a straight line even if the axes are not ortogonal. Well, that's the difference between a guy who has his head in geometry all day long, and me, who does mostly 2-D work. Yes, straight line, just not the

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-03 Thread Igor Chudov
Guys, one more related question. What is the name of the rotary axis parallel to X? A? What is the name of the rotary axis that is the spindle on a milling machine? Or does a spindle not count as a rotary axis? All I want from the encoder on the spindle is to do rigid tapping. I do not want to

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-03 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 12:15:43PM -0500, Igor Chudov wrote: Guys, one more related question. What is the name of the rotary axis parallel to X? A? Yes A is customarily the one that rotates around X What is the name of the rotary axis that is the spindle on a milling machine? Or does a

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-03 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Igor, All the names of axes are symbols used to facilitate conversation/use between people and machines. The axes can be named anything you want. By normal convention the A axis is the axis that the centerline of rotation is parallel with the X axis. A revolves around X and B revolves around Y

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-03 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: Guys, one more related question. What is the name of the rotary axis parallel to X? A? Yes, for XYZ, there are parallel rotary axes ABC. What is the name of the rotary axis that is the spindle on a milling machine? Or does a spindle not count as a rotary axis? If it is

[Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-02 Thread Igor Chudov
My Bridgeport Series II Interact 2 CNC mill has a Z axis in the quill. http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Bridgeport-Series-II-Interact-2-CNC-Mill/ It has Z travel of only about 4.8 inches. Which is actually adequate for most of what I do. But, the other nice thing that it has is air assisted

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-02 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Igor, You have options with EMC2. You can use two different configuration files. One configuration file to position the knee and use the quill as the Z axis as Stephan suggests. Another configuration file to use the knee as the Z axis and the quill as the W axis. You can use the tool length

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-02 Thread Igor Chudov
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Stephen Wille Padnos spad...@sover.net wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: My Bridgeport Series II Interact 2 CNC mill has a Z axis in the quill. http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Bridgeport-Series-II-Interact-2-CNC-Mill/ It has Z travel of only about 4.8 inches. Which is

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-02 Thread Andy Pugh
On 2 September 2010 22:53, Stephen Wille Padnos spad...@sover.net wrote: Different kinematics? etc No, but there is the W axis, which is defined as a linear axis parallel to Z.  You could position W to get the right range, and still use the quill for Z. I think you could probably create a

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-02 Thread Igor Chudov
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: Igor,  You have options with EMC2. You can use two different configuration files. One configuration file to position the knee and use the quill as the Z axis as Stephan suggests. Another configuration file to use the

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-02 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: So, my question is, does EMC2 support two Z axes and if so, what sorts of EMC2 facilities would I need for this. Different kinematics? It would be much better to make the knee the W axis (auxiliary linear axis parallel to the Z axis). EMC2 has facilities to handle an

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-02 Thread Ed
Stuart Stevenson wrote: On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Ed ate...@mwt.net wrote: On a completely mechanical note, be aware that the Z and W may not be parralel. If you feed Z then feed W you may end up with a bore that has a kink in it. I suppose you could feed both at the same time and get a

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-02 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: This is pretty much OK with me. Now, what about interpolation. Say, I issue a command G1 X1 Y1 W1, would it move on a straight line? Assuming your W is precisely normal to the XY plane of motion, you would get interpolation of a straight line. All axes would accelerate

Re: [Emc-users] Two Z-Axes? (IOW, can I motorize the knee)

2010-09-02 Thread Igor Chudov
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: This is pretty much OK with me. Now, what about interpolation. Say, I issue a command G1 X1 Y1 W1, would it move on a straight line? Assuming your W is precisely normal to the XY plane of motion, you