Re: [Emc-users] handwheel tapping

2010-10-06 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, A little progress on the handwheel tapping project. The spindle motor encoder has pulses of 7200 per revolution in low gear. This gives 20 pulses per degree. Not enough to be a real C axis. The number of pulses may be limited by the spindle drive so I may try to tap into the sign

Re: [Emc-users] handwheel tapping

2010-10-06 Thread Jon Elson
Stuart Stevenson wrote: The most important finding is the ultimate usefulness of tapping this way. It seems novel but is it a useful tool? Putting it on the Cinci or Viper for 5 axis MPG tapping would be killer! Well, I don't do those hideous aerospace metals. But, I have done some

Re: [Emc-users] handwheel tapping

2010-10-02 Thread Kenneth Lerman
Stuart, See: http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/2027.42/60859/1/paulgrif_1.pdf Figure 2.1 Ken On 10/01/2010 09:32 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Hi Ken, That is a good idea!!! Isn't it possible to use a stepper motor as a pulse generator? If so, wouldn't it be possible to variably

Re: [Emc-users] handwheel tapping

2010-10-01 Thread Kenneth Lerman
Hi Stuart, If you are going to do some computer assisted hand tapping, you might want to add some haptic feedback. If you measure the spindle current and use that as a measure of load, you could drive a small servo connected to the mpg and use it as a brake. If you make the braking force

Re: [Emc-users] handwheel tapping

2010-10-01 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Hi Ken, That is a good idea!!! Isn't it possible to use a stepper motor as a pulse generator? If so, wouldn't it be possible to variably bias that same stepper to achieve the haptic feedback? thanks for the idea Stuart On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Kenneth Lerman

Re: [Emc-users] handwheel tapping

2010-09-30 Thread John Thornton
Stuart, You might want to take a look in the Subroutines section of the EMC2 Forum. A tapping routine would be simple to do using Dewey Garrett's GUI. John Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, I am working on a project on the Enshu. I am not sure how valuable it will be but I sure want to

Re: [Emc-users] handwheel tapping

2010-09-30 Thread sam sokolik
Maybe you could use what andy did with his gear hobbing? I don't know exactly how he did it - (maybe using the gearing hal comp?) I could see using a vcp that you would enter the tpi and it woud slave the spindle to z with that ratio. Then as you jogged the z axis - the spindle would

Re: [Emc-users] handwheel tapping

2010-09-30 Thread Andy Pugh
On 30 September 2010 16:15, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote:  Maybe you could use what andy did with his gear hobbing? It does sound like a very similar approach. If you consider my spindle encoder to be your MPG, and your spindle to be my workholder axis, then it is actually as

Re: [Emc-users] handwheel tapping

2010-09-30 Thread Jim Fleig
Hi Stuart, I'd like to offer some general observations and thoughts. Tapping requires a very close coordination of spindle rpm and axis feedrate. MPG axis feedrate by it's nature varies constantly as the operator rotates the MPG slightly faster or slower. Attempting to create a system

Re: [Emc-users] handwheel tapping

2010-09-30 Thread Andy Pugh
On 30 September 2010 19:12, Jim Fleig j...@cncservices.ws wrote: Attempting to create a system where the spindle rpm's could be adjusted in real time to match the constantly varying feedrate caused by the inconsistent rpm of MPG input would be a significant challenge if it is doable. It

Re: [Emc-users] handwheel tapping

2010-09-30 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, I am working on a project on the Enshu. I am not sure how valuable it will be but I sure want to try it. I want to tap threads using the MPG. How do you envision this working? Does the handwheel make the machine a virtual hand tapper? (ie, spin 1/2

Re: [Emc-users] handwheel tapping

2010-09-30 Thread Stuart Stevenson
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Stephen Wille Padnos spad...@sover.netwrote: Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, I am working on a project on the Enshu. I am not sure how valuable it will be but I sure want to try it. I want to tap threads using the MPG. How do you envision this

Re: [Emc-users] handwheel tapping

2010-09-30 Thread Jon Elson
Stuart Stevenson wrote: My first thought was to control the spindle with the MPG and have the Z (or other linear axis) scaled to the correct feedrate. With the MPG controlling the spindle the reversal should not need to be as abrupt. You can make the spindle reversal as smooth as you like,