Re: [Emc-users] Mar 3, 2013: LinuxCNC 2.5.2 released
On 04.03.13 11:11, Pete Matos wrote: Ummm..rightwhatever he said. Peace LOL It's only my translation, but here goes: In science no new theory ever triumphs, but its opponents die by degrees. - Max Planck Erik On Monday, March 4, 2013, craig cr...@facework.com wrote: On 3/3/2013 5:05 PM, W. Martinjak wrote: In der Wissenschaft siegt nie eine neue Theorie, nur ihre Gegner sterben nach und nach Max Planck Great quote. thanks/ danke craig -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc-dev dependency problem
Some education is needed please. I have upgraded from 2.4 to 2.5 and I have no problems that I know of.(LinuxCNC that is) In sources.list I have deb http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid base linuxcnc2.5 deb-src http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid base linuxcnc2.5 but I do not have deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/lucid master-rt deb-src http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/lucid master-rt What would the later two give me? Thanks, Lars -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EDM Pete G
On 04.03.13 19:44, TJoseph Powderly wrote: At the time I got your email, I was writing oneshots for arduino, triggered by the beginning of current flow, an OnTimeShot runs, then a single OffTimeShot. This makes each tiny crater a uniform size, where a constant on/off/on/off will vary in diameter. Is that diameter variation with depth, and if it's due to constant mark/space ratio, are you adjusting the timing ratio of the one-shots to achieve compensation? Erik -- If you understand what you're doing, you're not learning anything. - A. L. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mar 3, 2013: LinuxCNC 2.5.2 released
I think more correctly: In science no new theory ever triumphs, but its opponents slowly die. - Max Planck - Original Message - From: Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Mar 3, 2013: LinuxCNC 2.5.2 released On 04.03.13 11:11, Pete Matos wrote: Ummm..rightwhatever he said. Peace LOL It's only my translation, but here goes: In science no new theory ever triumphs, but its opponents die by degrees. - Max Planck Erik On Monday, March 4, 2013, craig cr...@facework.com wrote: On 3/3/2013 5:05 PM, W. Martinjak wrote: In der Wissenschaft siegt nie eine neue Theorie, nur ihre Gegner sterben nach und nach Max Planck Great quote. thanks/ danke craig -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5646 - Release Date: 03/03/13 19:22:00 -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mar 3, 2013: LinuxCNC 2.5.2 released
On 05.03.13 10:39, Belli Button wrote: I think more correctly: In science no new theory ever triumphs, but its opponents slowly die. - Max Planck Cassell's German - English dictionary says: nach und nach = gradually, little by little, by degrees. I think you'll find that slowly is langsam. But perhaps you have a language reference which backs up your opinion? Erik -- Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent. -- Walt Kelly -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mar 3, 2013: LinuxCNC 2.5.2 released
On 5 March 2013 09:31, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote: Cassell's German - English dictionary says: nach und nach = gradually, little by little, by degrees. I think you'll find that slowly is langsam. But perhaps you have a language reference which backs up your opinion? I suspect that the intention is the sense gradually. Opponents dying langsam seems to suggest individual long, lingering deaths for individuals, whereas I think that the idea is that the process of them all dying takes a long time. Maybe Its opponents die one by one matches the sense best. Dying by degrees sounds odd given that Scientists tend to have at least two degrees each :-) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mar 3, 2013: LinuxCNC 2.5.2 released
the new theory and its opponents experience phase changes --- On Tue, 3/5/13, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote: From: Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Mar 3, 2013: LinuxCNC 2.5.2 released To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2013, 12:16 AM On 04.03.13 11:11, Pete Matos wrote: Ummm..rightwhatever he said. Peace LOL It's only my translation, but here goes: In science no new theory ever triumphs, but its opponents die by degrees. - Max Planck Erik On Monday, March 4, 2013, craig cr...@facework.com wrote: On 3/3/2013 5:05 PM, W. Martinjak wrote: In der Wissenschaft siegt nie eine neue Theorie, nur ihre Gegner sterben nach und nach Max Planck Great quote. thanks/ danke craig -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mar 3, 2013: LinuxCNC 2.5.2 released
On 05.03.13 09:44, andy pugh wrote: I suspect that the intention is the sense gradually. Yes, that was broadly my interpretation too, though nach und nach gives me the further sense of little by little, and old theories do die by degrees (i.e. stepwise over time), as they move through increasing levels of doubt, then increasing levels of confidence that they're in Phlogiston territory. ... Dying by degrees sounds odd given that Scientists tend to have at least two degrees each :-) That sounds a heck of a lot like the basis for a quantum theory of Theory Demise. ;-) Erik -- Corporation, n.: An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. - Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc-dev dependency problem
2013/3/5 Lars Andersson l...@larsandersson.com: Some education is needed please. I have upgraded from 2.4 to 2.5 and I have no problems that I know of.(LinuxCNC that is) In sources.list I have deb http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid base linuxcnc2.5 deb-src http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid base linuxcnc2.5 but I do not have deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/lucid master-rt deb-src http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/lucid master-rt What would the later two give me? I would say that there You can get buildbot packages of master branch. Master branch basically is next-to-be-released version, where all the development and testing takes place, which means that it is not recommended to use it on production machines as some things might be unstable etc. -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] BP VMC1000 Retrofit
I have a BP Discovery 308 with a Simodrive 611 drive and still run the old DX-32 controller. :( There are many variants of the 611 so do the search till you find your manuals. I can't wait to convert mine and ditch the 611 drive as the 611 doesn't like running on a phase converter at all but that is another story. When I get to that point I'll probably use a Mesa 5i20 7i33 7i37 setup like I used on my Hardinge CHNC 1 lathe or a 5i25 7i77 like I used on my BP Anilam conversion. John On 3/4/2013 10:33 AM, Shaffin Bhanji wrote: Hello, I have a BP VMC1000, 22 TC and Simodrive 611 controls on them. In order to upgrade the BP control software I have been told to upgrade to a new computer board, and the costs just keep adding on. I was thinking of an option to change the BP control software to EMC2. Has anyone ventured into it? If so, what hardware would be required to interface with the Simodrive 611 controls, and as well setup process experiences if any? Greatly appreciate any help. Thanks, Sam. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc-dev dependency problem
On 03/05/2013 12:57 AM, Lars Andersson wrote: Some education is needed please. I have upgraded from 2.4 to 2.5 and I have no problems that I know of.(LinuxCNC that is) Great! Always nice to hear a success story :-) In sources.list I have deb http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid base linuxcnc2.5 deb-src http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid base linuxcnc2.5 but I do not have deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/lucid master-rt deb-src http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/lucid master-rt What would the later two give me? The debian archive at www.linuxcnc.org has the official released versions of LinuxCNC, plus some extra packages that are needed to build and run newer versions of LinuxCNC on older platforms, plus some extra optional utilities like true-type-tracer. buildbot.linuxcnc.org is our Continuous Integration server - any time any developer makes any change to LinuxCNC, the buildbot compiles and tests it, and if it works, it packages the results up and makes it available in the buildbot debian archive. So you can think of the buildbot as a preview of what the next official versions of LinuxCNC will be, both for the master branch (what will become 2.6.0) and for the 2.5 branch (what just became 2.5.2, and will become 2.5.3 in time). Running buildbot debs is sometimes less stable than the official release debs from www.linuxcnc.org, especially in the un-released master (aka 2.6) branch. In the 2.5 branch, the buildbot debs should generally be about as stable as the official releases, and sometimes more stable (as bugfixes are committed to the 2.5 branch and built by the buildbot, but not officially released yet). Running buildbot debs and reporting bugs you find is a valuable way to provide feedback to the developers about the status of the software before release. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EDM Pete G
On 03/05/2013 02:48 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: Is that diameter variation with depth, and if it's due to constant mark/space ratio, are you adjusting the timing ratio of the one-shots to achieve compensation? Erik, hello, Basically, yes :) The depth and diameter is governed by the joules expended per discharge, A fixed on time does not account for the pulse to pulse variation in ionization time ( how long it takes current flow to begin after voltage is applied). So I do not decrement the desired on time value until the current begins to flow. This makes the joules per discharge equal, and in turn, makes the craters equal. Instead of a repetitive pulser or PWM, I use one shots triggered by a detector. Tomp tjtr33 -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EDM Pete G
Jeez tomp, that thing got a flux capacitor in it yet? Hell I'd just piss on the spark plug if I thought it would do any goodLOL that is some deep stuff you are playing with man glad and amazed that you are able to do it with linuxcnc. Keep on Merlin's on that is some very interesting work. Always liked EDM machines I have a neighbor who owns a shop with three or four wire EDM's and he does some cool stuff with those I think they were Mitsubishi models. They basically run night and day when he has work for them. None are retrofitted tho but he does have an index mill running on mach3 believe it or not...peace Pete On Tuesday, March 5, 2013, TJoseph Powderly tjt...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/05/2013 02:48 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: Is that diameter variation with depth, and if it's due to constant mark/space ratio, are you adjusting the timing ratio of the one-shots to achieve compensation? Erik, hello, Basically, yes :) The depth and diameter is governed by the joules expended per discharge, A fixed on time does not account for the pulse to pulse variation in ionization time ( how long it takes current flow to begin after voltage is applied). So I do not decrement the desired on time value until the current begins to flow. This makes the joules per discharge equal, and in turn, makes the craters equal. Instead of a repetitive pulser or PWM, I use one shots triggered by a detector. Tomp tjtr33 -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] G2, G3 Arc Feed with rotaty axis
On 5 March 2013 18:17, Leonardo Marsaglia leonardomarsagli...@gmail.com wrote: So what I need to do, is to use G2 or G3 to move the follower showed in the picture following the trajectory of the crankpins combining the two linear axis simultaneously with the rotary axis of the crankshaft. I could program some arcs and I understand the way it works, but the thing is I don't see any examples using this with a synchronized rotary axis. I tried it in sim/axis/9-axis and it works fine. The movements all finish at the same time, so are perfectly synched. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] G2, G3 Arc Feed with rotaty axis
Hello Andy. Now the machine is turned on and working but when I have a little time I will try with that configuration. The program line would be more or less like this right? (movement on X and Y, C is the rotary axis) G2 X0 Y0 C360 I10 J10 F10 P2 Would that give a two turn movement on the rotary axis? Because I need to do several turns, or do I need to offset the rotary axis to zero right after the G2 line and make a loop? Thanks! 2013/3/5 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com On 5 March 2013 18:17, Leonardo Marsaglia leonardomarsagli...@gmail.com wrote: So what I need to do, is to use G2 or G3 to move the follower showed in the picture following the trajectory of the crankpins combining the two linear axis simultaneously with the rotary axis of the crankshaft. I could program some arcs and I understand the way it works, but the thing is I don't see any examples using this with a synchronized rotary axis. I tried it in sim/axis/9-axis and it works fine. The movements all finish at the same time, so are perfectly synched. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- *Leonardo Marsaglia*. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] G2, G3 Arc Feed with rotaty axis
On 5 March 2013 19:16, Leonardo Marsaglia leonardomarsagli...@gmail.com wrote: G2 X0 Y0 C360 I10 J10 F10 P2 Would that give a two turn movement on the rotary axis? No, that would be 2 rotations in XY and only one in C. G2 X0 Y0 C720 I10 J10 F10 P2 Is what you would need. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] G2, G3 Arc Feed with rotaty axis
On 5 March 2013 19:34, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: G2 X0 Y0 C720 I10 J10 F10 P2 Is what you would need. I guess you are measuring crankpin roundness? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] G2, G3 Arc Feed with rotaty axis
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 04:16:28PM -0300, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: G2 X0 Y0 C360 I10 J10 F10 P2 Would that give a two turn movement on the rotary axis? Because I need to do several turns, or do I need to offset the rotary axis to zero right after the G2 line and make a loop? You've got the right idea. Some thoughts, looking here: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G2-G3-Arc You already found To program an arc that gives more than one full turn, use a P word specifying the number of full or partial turns of arc. and probably also If a line of code makes an arc and includes rotary axis motion, the rotary axes turn at a constant rate so that the rotary motion starts and finishes when the XYZ motion starts and finishes. Lines of this sort are hardly ever programmed. To do full circles, don't program X and Y words: No axis words and one or more offsets must be programmed for full circles. So, starting at X=0 Y=0 C=0 you could have 10 full turns like G2 C3600 J10 P10 No looping is required. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] G2, G3 Arc Feed with rotaty axis
Andy, from what I know from Leonardo, I druther guess that it's a case of zonal induction heating for hardening purposes. Peter Am 05.03.2013 20:35, schrieb andy pugh: On 5 March 2013 19:34, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: G2 X0 Y0 C720 I10 J10 F10 P2 Is what you would need. I guess you are measuring crankpin roundness? -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] G2, G3 Arc Feed with rotaty axis
Thanks a lot Andy and Chris! Very well explained, and it's easier than what I was thinking. Andy as Peter well said, this is to make a positioning system to do induction heating on crankshafts. Since all the journals need to be heated, and we're planning on making a production of at least 100 pieces per month initially, we're studying the possibility of heating the crankshaft like this so it can be automatic. The other way would be a split coil but this way is harder to automate, and we would like to make it fully automated. 2013/3/5 Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de Andy, from what I know from Leonardo, I druther guess that it's a case of zonal induction heating for hardening purposes. Peter Am 05.03.2013 20:35, schrieb andy pugh: On 5 March 2013 19:34, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: G2 X0 Y0 C720 I10 J10 F10 P2 Is what you would need. I guess you are measuring crankpin roundness? -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- *Leonardo Marsaglia*. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
