Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot

2015-02-18 Thread Andreas Pettersson
Well in respect for John that i have a dialog with i think i toned it down quite a bit and did not engage in a full on flame war - which i could have. ;) One could be alot of more aggressive in this regard and contact a couple of organisations that goes after companies that does this in the

Re: [Emc-users] PRU programming on the Beagle Bone Black.

2015-02-18 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 2/17/2015 7:12 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Well, the program compiles easily on Linux, or I could just give you an executable. But, if you don't have a photoplotter to run it on, the program is pretty useless. This is a 1000 x 1000 DPI raster photoplotter, and it is great for making circuit

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)

2015-02-18 Thread Belli Button
I'm more curious about the hardware, do you think they are using 5i25 from Mesa or is it something of their own? -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)

2015-02-18 Thread Andreas Pettersson
That should PCW be able to answer.. If there been a buyup of MESA cards, that would be big buisness i imagine. ;) // A Belli Button skrev den 2015-02-18 11:34: I'm more curious about the hardware, do you think they are using 5i25 from Mesa or is it something of their own?

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)

2015-02-18 Thread andy pugh
On 18 February 2015 at 10:50, Andrew pkm...@gmail.com wrote: It's MESA. Look at http://www.tormach.com/document_direct_download.html?doc_id=893 , Figure 6 LinuxCNC _and_ hardware stepping. The customers won't know what has hit them :-) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it.

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)

2015-02-18 Thread Andrew
2015-02-18 12:34 GMT+02:00 Belli Button be...@iafrica.com: I'm more curious about the hardware, do you think they are using 5i25 from Mesa or is it something of their own? It's MESA. Look at http://www.tormach.com/document_direct_download.html?doc_id=893 , Figure 6 -- Andrew

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)

2015-02-18 Thread Belli Button
Ah, 5i25, kewl! Does this mean we can 'borrow' their software for our own machines?? -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:pkm...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 February 2015 12:51 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?) 2015-02-18 12:34

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread Andreas Pettersson
Regarding plastic connectors, neutriks work well really well. And are dead simple to connect. But they arent as cheap as the aluminium cast ones with brass connectors. And i have had plastic neutrik connectors that basicly melted when exposed to coolant and Dexron 3 oil (as i use for lubricant

Re: [Emc-users] PRU programming on the Beagle Bone Black.

2015-02-18 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/18/2015 02:18 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: Sounds like it would also work well for making screens for screen printing on paper and fabric. Sure, anything that needs a high-contrast artwork will work. I have a board that can be swapped in to generate gray-scale output, but that would need

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:52:04 AM Andreas Pettersson wrote: Regarding plastic connectors, neutriks work well really well. And are dead simple to connect. And as the CE at a tv station for the last 18 years I worked, I have plenty of experience with the neutriks XLR style connector in

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)

2015-02-18 Thread Bruce Layne
Hi Erik, You, and at least one other person, are definitely missing my point. I'll take the blame for not expressing myself properly. I'll try again. I am not disparaging Tormach. At all. As I've said, I believe their switch to LinuxCNC will be good for them and for their customers. In

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot

2015-02-18 Thread Andrew
2015-02-18 2:24 GMT+02:00 Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cmfs=1tf=1to=s...@highlab.com: Well, the new trajectory planner is huge. And it was done quietly, without Tormach publicly taking credit for it, which has left people not realizing the

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread Greg Bentzinger
I use a DB9 with shielded cable on pin 5 and the 4 drive lines each using an upper and lower pin in parallel as redundant connections and less current density. Cheap enough, readily available on short notice. Might try a DB15 with dual wires for motor + encoder signals. (That would be a {2 row}

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread Andy Pugh
On 18 Feb 2015, at 18:48, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I have plenty of experience with the neutriks XLR style connector in 3 and 4 pin varieties. I was suggesting Speakon which has a bayonet latch. Very solid and breaks contact before withdrawal.

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread andy pugh
On 19 February 2015 at 04:01, richsh...@comcast.net wrote: Avoid those Molex connectors! Read the data sheet! Not guaranteed to work after 25 mate/demate cycles! If I am that indecisive about where my motors connect I deserve to fail :-) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it.

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread rayj
I have used regular heat shrink and shaved small chips, almost filings, of hot melt glue into them. I shrink 1 end, fill with fine shavings, then work my way along and end up with a little melted glue being squeezed the other end when closes. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN The things we

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:15:03 PM andy pugh wrote: On 19 February 2015 at 02:56, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Neat stuff Andy. But I don't recall seeing it locally, like at Radio Shack. Looks like I'll have to order it online. Does it keep well unused? As far as I

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)

2015-02-18 Thread Bruce Layne
The way the upgrades were described, the hardware sounded very MESA-ish, so I wasn't surprised to see that it was. However, Tormach does seem to be interested in conveying the impression that the software and hardware were created by Tormach. http://www.tormach.com/blog/pathpilot-beta-testing

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)

2015-02-18 Thread Dave Cole
On 2/18/2015 6:44 AM, Bruce Layne wrote: Does anyone know if they created their nice looking graphical front end, or did they subcontract that as well? It's fine by me either way, but I am curious. There really is no difference between the two. I subcontract to other companies who sell the

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 08:58:20 AM kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: For those who build your own controls, what connectors do you use to connect the motors to the control panel? I am talking steppers = 3 amps. The store bought ones I have looked at use a DIN connector. Richard I've tried

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread Andreas Pettersson
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-GX-16mm-8-Pin-Aviation-Male-Female-Plug-Panel-Power-Chassis-Metal-Connector-/261504110088?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3ce2dc0e08 works quite well .. There is several other variations as well. kqt4a...@gmail.com skrev den 2015-02-18 14:58: For those who build your

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)

2015-02-18 Thread sam sokolik
I had/have been doing a lot of testing of the new trajectory planner of Robs. (I didn't know or was told that he was working for Tormach - I was upset for about 2 seconds.. :) ) I don't know how they found Rob but wow - they sure picked the right guy to do it. The TP re-write was huge and

[Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread kqt4at5v
For those who build your own controls, what connectors do you use to connect the motors to the control panel? I am talking steppers = 3 amps. The store bought ones I have looked at use a DIN connector. Richard --

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread Dave Cole
Those connectors are cheap! But I would be hesitant to use them for stepper connections on a machine that you need to trust. If you get a bad connection it can take out your stepper driver. Amphenol and others sells round plastic connectors for not that much. Check out Digikey, Allied, etc

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread andy pugh
On 18 February 2015 at 13:58, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: For those who build your own controls, what connectors do you use to connect the motors to the control panel? I am talking steppers = 3 amps. I have used the connectors suggested by Andreas, but my preferred conectors are

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot

2015-02-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 03:00:31 AM Andreas Pettersson wrote: Well in respect for John that i have a dialog with i think i toned it down quite a bit and did not engage in a full on flame war - which i could have. ;) One could be alot of more aggressive in this regard and contact a

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)

2015-02-18 Thread Todd Zuercher
If their company is anything like most, the person who wrote the add you were quoting, had nothing to do with putting together the controller package (and probably knows little about it) and through miscommunications, and creative license, some half truths, crept in. I am sure the errors in

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)

2015-02-18 Thread Dave Cole
Sam... Remember the email list conversations that Rob and you had with the Mach3 crew a while back? That now puts those conversations in an entirely different light. If you want a great discount on a slant back lathe or small mill, now might be the right time to speak up! :-) Dave On

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)

2015-02-18 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 18.02.15 06:44, Bruce Layne wrote: They do admit that LinuxCNC is the underlying software, but claim they made substantial improvements, when they apparently paid for open source code to be developed by someone else. No, it makes no difference whether a contractor works on-site or off -

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 09:29:13 AM Dave Cole wrote: Those connectors are cheap! As I was paying north of a $8 bill for the mating pair, I did not think cheap, although one could call their construction less than Tiffany. OTOH, they have been dead utterly dependable for me. But I

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread andy pugh
On 18 February 2015 at 21:46, Greg Bentzinger skullwo...@yahoo.com wrote: I use a DB9 with shielded cable on pin 5 and the 4 drive lines each using an upper and lower pin in parallel as redundant connections and less current density. DB9 actually has a surprising current carrying capacity

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)

2015-02-18 Thread andy pugh
On 18 February 2015 at 19:35, Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.com wrote: If someone in the LinuxCNC community develops a case of PathPilot envy, someone will write an open source version. http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26550-lathe-macros :-) -- atp If you

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot

2015-02-18 Thread andy pugh
On 18 February 2015 at 21:56, Andrew pkm...@gmail.com wrote: The new TP wasn't so nesessary for a lathe, right? Looks like Tormach is going to use LinuxCNC for their mills too. The Tormach web-page and the video are both clearly showing mill configs. I think that the lathe has been on

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot

2015-02-18 Thread Andreas Pettersson
The lathe was linuxcnc from day one, it was shipped with it even. andy pugh skrev den 2015-02-19 00:03: On 18 February 2015 at 21:56, Andrew pkm...@gmail.com wrote: The new TP wasn't so nesessary for a lathe, right? Looks like Tormach is going to use LinuxCNC for their mills too. The

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread andy pugh
On 19 February 2015 at 02:32, Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.com wrote: If I needed the soldered connections to survive coolant, I'd slide the heat shrink over uncured five minute epoxy and shrink the tubing to squeeze out the epoxy and accelerate the epoxy cure, Why not use

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread Bruce Layne
Using acid free caulk I hope? If it smells like vinegar, it has acetic acid in it that will corrode electronics. The acetic acid in RTV silicone cures by evaporation, typically in a few hours. Afterward, it's fairly inert. I don't use it for electronics, but the only time I've seen it

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 09:15:43 PM Gregg Eshelman wrote: On 2/18/2015 7:48 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 08:58:20 AM kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: For those who build your own controls, what connectors do you use to connect the motors to the control panel? I

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot

2015-02-18 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 2/18/2015 7:07 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: In any event, I still think you paint them (Tormach) with much too black a brush. The company that deserves that is Makerbot. Another one is RAMBUS, where when Intel, Micron and some other companies went together to create a new computer memory

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot

2015-02-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 08:50:21 PM Gregg Eshelman wrote: On 2/18/2015 7:07 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: In any event, I still think you paint them (Tormach) with much too black a brush. The company that deserves that is Makerbot. Another one is RAMBUS, where when Intel, Micron and

[Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread richshoop
Avoid those Molex connectors! Read the data sheet! Not guaranteed to work after 25 mate/demate cycles! The AMP CPC family of connectors have something of a chance of surviving, and have contact sets that can handle the loads expected. - Original Message - From:

Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)

2015-02-18 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/18/2015 07:38 AM, sam sokolik wrote: I had/have been doing a lot of testing of the new trajectory planner of Robs. (I didn't know or was told that he was working for Tormach - I was upset for about 2 seconds.. :) ) I don't know how they found Rob but wow - they sure picked the right

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 2/18/2015 7:48 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 08:58:20 AM kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: For those who build your own controls, what connectors do you use to connect the motors to the control panel? I am talking steppers = 3 amps. The store bought ones I have looked at

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 09:38:34 PM andy pugh wrote: On 19 February 2015 at 02:32, Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.com wrote: If I needed the soldered connections to survive coolant, I'd slide the heat shrink over uncured five minute epoxy and shrink the tubing to squeeze

Re: [Emc-users] motor connections

2015-02-18 Thread andy pugh
On 19 February 2015 at 02:56, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Neat stuff Andy. But I don't recall seeing it locally, like at Radio Shack. Looks like I'll have to order it online. Does it keep well unused? As far as I know it keeps indefinitely, and I can buy it at a choice of 3 Maplin