Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[R C]

I tried to post one of these "classic western signs"..  saying  ...   
"No scum allowed"   it needs moderator approval apprently.



but...    how about that?


Ron


On 7/18/21 10:54 PM, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote:

How about making it very simple, something like "Be excellent to each other."


 On Sunday, July 18, 2021, 1:58:54 PM MDT, R C  wrote:
  
  
On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:

Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
enforce it, no?

Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago
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Re: [Emc-users] Power Draw Bar

[Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users]

It would be simpler to use belleville washers and an air cylinder to apply 
pressure to release the tooling. 
https://hackaday.com/2020/01/11/stacks-of-spring-washers-power-the-drawbar-on-this-cnc-mill-conversion/


On Sunday, July 18, 2021, 5:39:23 PM MDT, John Dammeyer 
 wrote:  
 
 A long long time ago I read an article in Home Shop Machinist written by Rick 
Sparber on what he called a WUT. 
https://rick.sparber.org/Articles/drawbar/Drawbar.htm
Although I couldn't make mine exactly as his I was able to at least create a 
thick hex washer so that I could tighten the draw bar while holding the WUT 
with a wrench.  Testing with a torque wrench can actually reach the 20 inch 
pounds as the maximum suggested for the Tormach Tooling.  In reality I don't 
come close to that amount of torque and so far I haven't run into issues with 
anything slipping.  
 
I also paid for the instructions from homeshopaccessories for the power drawbar 
that uses a small butterfly air impact wrench.
http://home.insightbb.com/~joevicar3/cheap_drawbar.htm
 
In playing around with the power tapping project I also tried using the 
butterfly wrench to tighten and loosen the TT Tools.  First, the wrench has to 
work really hard to reach 20 inch lbs.  And it has to work really hard to 
loosen the drawbar if the torque wrench was used to bring it to 20 inch lbs.  
The more normal value is around 12 inch pounds which seems more than adequate.
 
However, and there's the issue.  Like any air impact wrench it chugs away until 
it breaks the nut loose and then spins up fast.  Fast enough to completely 
uncouple the draw bar from the R8 holder and the whole works drops out.  If it 
does that then there's no real point to the TT tools other than repeatability;  
which is an advantage..
 
My question is about controlling the reverse on the butterfly wrench to limit 
it to two turns.  I'm sure I could connect an encoder on the wrench shaft to 
count a number of edges per turn and after two turns shut off the air valve.  
But how fast does an air system react?  By the time you reach two turns is it 
already spinning so fast that it releases the R8 before the air pressure is 
gone?
 
Is there some sort of mechanical approach to allow it to turn two turns and 
then prevent further turns?  This can't be fixed in stone because there will be 
times where more than two turns are required for removing the R8 collet.
 
So I think LCNC with the MESA interface can count an encoder.  It can probably 
even switch off a valve within a few milli-seconds of N encoder counts.    So 
the HAL file would read in input for UnloadTool. Clear the encoder counter and 
assert an output to open the air valve.  On encoder_count = X close the air 
valve.
 
Actually I'd probably just program a separate micro-processor to do this and 
produce a done signal on the request input.  I either case though is there a 
way to limit the distance the butterfly turns?
 
John  
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 22:07 -0600, R C wrote:
> On 7/18/21 9:58 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:33 -0600, R C wrote:
> > > On 7/18/21 9:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:16 -0600, R C wrote:
> > > > > On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:
> > > > > > > I missed the beginning as well, but I think something
> > > > > > > happened
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
> > > > > > > Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I really have no idea.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
> > > > > > > important.   I
> > > > > > > asked more than once  and the response was
> > > > > > > "crickets".
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Personally, I don't see the need for it.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules
> > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > be explained.
> > > > > > > You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't
> > > > > > > pretty.   If
> > > > > > > someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a
> > > > > > > "cooperative
> > > > > > > effort"
> > > > > > > between a number of very intelligent folks.
> > > > > > I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big
> > > > > > deal
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the
> > > > > > malicious
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even
> > > > > > start.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > cases
> > > > > > intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an
> > > > > > objectively
> > > > > > tiny
> > > > > > set of additional rules for the common good.
> > > > > Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by
> > > > > someone
> > > > > for
> > > > > others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and
> > > > > therefor
> > > > > not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S'
> > > > > storm
> > > > > you
> > > > > see going on here, and rightfully so.
> > > > You are again misunderstanding my words: I didn't say that
> > > > rules
> > > > are
> > > > objective, I said it is an objectively tiny set of rules
> > > > (compared
> > > > to
> > > > some other CoC like the Sourceforge one and the W3C one).
> > > > And yes, who runs the project has admin rights and owns it in
> > > > practice,
> > > > and has the right to issue rules for others to follow.
> > > You need to meticulously read what you just sent, possibly more
> > > than
> > > just once,  but please use a dictionary when you do, too look up
> > > the
> > > meaning of words like "objective"..   I had to learn English
> > > too,  it
> > > is
> > > my second language,  I know it can be hard at times.
> > > 
> > > (although I  actually have the impression that you're just
> > > spewing
> > > nonsense, and when someone calls you on it, you claim them to be
> > > too
> > > dumb and not actually understand what it is you said. That is not
> > > how
> > > language works.).
> > I wrote exactly the thing I had in mind and it is absolutely the
> > right
> > thing, the meaning is the same in italian and in english:
> 
> So it's nonsense in both languages...glad you figured that out by
> now.


It is nonsense only for you, for me that means you are functional
illiterate.

Enought said, back to work. My 3D printer is waiting.



> 
> 
> > https://context.reverso.net/traduzione/italiano-inglese/Oggettivamente
> > 
> > "
> > Oggettivamente è giustificabile, è corretto. -> Objectively this is
> > justifiable, it is correct.
> > 
> > Oggettivamente parlando, - ha un aspetto più virile. -> Objectively
> > speaking, he does appear more virile.
> > "
> > 
> > 
> > > > > > > Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal
> > > > > > > decision.   It
> > > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and
> > > > > > > helpful!
> > > > > > > Tread lightly!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped
> > > > > > > humanity.
> > > > > > > Try and find something else you have done that has
> > > > > > > "helped
> > > > > > > humanity".
> > > > > > > That is BIG.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Lets not blow it.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have
> > > > > > > helped
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > others with LCNC.
> > > > > > > I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Dave
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > > > > WOW - I missed it all!
> > 

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users]

How about making it very simple, something like "Be excellent to each other."


On Sunday, July 18, 2021, 1:58:54 PM MDT, R C  wrote:  
 
 
On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
> enforce it, no?

Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago  
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[R C]

On 7/18/21 9:58 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:33 -0600, R C wrote:

On 7/18/21 9:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:16 -0600, R C wrote:

On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:

I missed the beginning as well, but I think something
happened
that
was
not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?

I really have no idea.

No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
important.   I
asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".

Personally, I don't see the need for it.

I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when
they
can't
be explained.
You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't
pretty.   If
someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.

Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a
"cooperative
effort"
between a number of very intelligent folks.

I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal
to
follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious
who
thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even
start.

Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some
cases
intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an
objectively
tiny
set of additional rules for the common good.

Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by
someone
for
others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and
therefor
not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S' storm
you
see going on here, and rightfully so.

You are again misunderstanding my words: I didn't say that rules
are
objective, I said it is an objectively tiny set of rules (compared
to
some other CoC like the Sourceforge one and the W3C one).
And yes, who runs the project has admin rights and owns it in
practice,
and has the right to issue rules for others to follow.

You need to meticulously read what you just sent, possibly more than
just once,  but please use a dictionary when you do, too look up the
meaning of words like "objective"..   I had to learn English too,  it
is
my second language,  I know it can be hard at times.

(although I  actually have the impression that you're just spewing
nonsense, and when someone calls you on it, you claim them to be too
dumb and not actually understand what it is you said. That is not
how
language works.).

I wrote exactly the thing I had in mind and it is absolutely the right
thing, the meaning is the same in italian and in english:


So it's nonsense in both languages...    glad you figured that out by now.




https://context.reverso.net/traduzione/italiano-inglese/Oggettivamente

"
Oggettivamente è giustificabile, è corretto. -> Objectively this is
justifiable, it is correct.

Oggettivamente parlando, - ha un aspetto più virile. -> Objectively
speaking, he does appear more virile.
"





Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal
decision.   It
doesn't
take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and
helpful!
Tread lightly!

I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped
humanity.
Try and find something else you have done that has "helped
humanity".
That is BIG.

Lets not blow it.

Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have
helped
me
and
others with LCNC.
I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)

Dave


On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

WOW - I missed it all!

My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
didn't
check
emails until we returned.

Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment
with
the
obligation to comment.

The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
list
has been
doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event",
is
appropriate.

I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the
work to
develop the
COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.

I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it
will be
a
thankless job. Even more thankless than general
development. :)

It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less
interesting
than the
maytag repairman job.

thank you Jeff for your attention and work

Stuart

I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a
project.
He is
thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his
thought
pattern.
:)

My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a
democratic
vote would
fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one
hundred
people
walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed
on
what
to eat
and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone
needs
to
eat. Not
pleasant.





On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt <
wendt.m...@gmail.com>
wrote:


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh <
bodge...@gmail.com
wrote:


On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark <
wendt.m...@gmail.com>
wrote:


Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to
create
political
division and strife

No, I think that we 

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[R C]

On 7/18/21 9:52 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:33 -0600, R C wrote:

On 7/18/21 9:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:16 -0600, R C wrote:

On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:

I missed the beginning as well, but I think something
happened
that
was
not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?

I really have no idea.

No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
important.   I
asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".

Personally, I don't see the need for it.

I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when
they
can't
be explained.
You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't
pretty.   If
someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.

Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a
"cooperative
effort"
between a number of very intelligent folks.

I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal
to
follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious
who
thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even
start.

Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some
cases
intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an
objectively
tiny
set of additional rules for the common good.

Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by
someone
for
others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and
therefor
not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S' storm
you
see going on here, and rightfully so.

You are again misunderstanding my words: I didn't say that rules
are
objective, I said it is an objectively tiny set of rules (compared
to
some other CoC like the Sourceforge one and the W3C one).
And yes, who runs the project has admin rights and owns it in
practice,
and has the right to issue rules for others to follow.

You need to meticulously read what you just sent, possibly more than
just once,  but please use a dictionary when you do, too look up the
meaning of words like "objective"..   I had to learn English too,  it
is
my second language,  I know it can be hard at times.

(although I  actually have the impression that you're just spewing
nonsense, and when someone calls you on it, you claim them to be too
dumb and not actually understand what it is you said. That is not
how
language works.).


The CoC is just an application of real world practices: it is like you
went visiting me at home, not only you have to follow the law, in
addition you have to follow my rules if you want to stay, and if you
start a flame against my rules it is sure that you cannot stay, because
I own the home and have the right to kick you out.


seriously,  you need to try  and read what it is you're trying to say,  
before you hit the send button, because again,  this is again just 
nonsense,  ...  word salad.








Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal
decision.   It
doesn't
take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and
helpful!
Tread lightly!

I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped
humanity.
Try and find something else you have done that has "helped
humanity".
That is BIG.

Lets not blow it.

Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have
helped
me
and
others with LCNC.
I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)

Dave


On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

WOW - I missed it all!

My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
didn't
check
emails until we returned.

Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment
with
the
obligation to comment.

The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
list
has been
doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event",
is
appropriate.

I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the
work to
develop the
COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.

I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it
will be
a
thankless job. Even more thankless than general
development. :)

It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less
interesting
than the
maytag repairman job.

thank you Jeff for your attention and work

Stuart

I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a
project.
He is
thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his
thought
pattern.
:)

My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a
democratic
vote would
fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one
hundred
people
walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed
on
what
to eat
and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone
needs
to
eat. Not
pleasant.





On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt <
wendt.m...@gmail.com>
wrote:


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh <
bodge...@gmail.com
wrote:


On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark <
wendt.m...@gmail.com>
wrote:


Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to
create
political
division and strife

No, 

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:33 -0600, R C wrote:
> On 7/18/21 9:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:16 -0600, R C wrote:
> > > On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:
> > > > > I missed the beginning as well, but I think something
> > > > > happened
> > > > > that
> > > > > was
> > > > > not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
> > > > > Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I really have no idea.
> > > > > 
> > > > > No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
> > > > > important.   I
> > > > > asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".
> > > > > 
> > > > > Personally, I don't see the need for it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when
> > > > > they
> > > > > can't
> > > > > be explained.
> > > > > You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't
> > > > > pretty.   If
> > > > > someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a
> > > > > "cooperative
> > > > > effort"
> > > > > between a number of very intelligent folks.
> > > > I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal
> > > > to
> > > > follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious
> > > > who
> > > > thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even
> > > > start.
> > > > 
> > > > Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some
> > > > cases
> > > > intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an
> > > > objectively
> > > > tiny
> > > > set of additional rules for the common good.
> > > Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by
> > > someone
> > > for
> > > others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and
> > > therefor
> > > not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S' storm
> > > you
> > > see going on here, and rightfully so.
> > You are again misunderstanding my words: I didn't say that rules
> > are
> > objective, I said it is an objectively tiny set of rules (compared
> > to
> > some other CoC like the Sourceforge one and the W3C one).
> > And yes, who runs the project has admin rights and owns it in
> > practice,
> > and has the right to issue rules for others to follow.
> 
> You need to meticulously read what you just sent, possibly more than 
> just once,  but please use a dictionary when you do, too look up the 
> meaning of words like "objective"..   I had to learn English too,  it
> is 
> my second language,  I know it can be hard at times.
> 
> (although I  actually have the impression that you're just spewing 
> nonsense, and when someone calls you on it, you claim them to be too 
> dumb and not actually understand what it is you said. That is not
> how 
> language works.).

I wrote exactly the thing I had in mind and it is absolutely the right
thing, the meaning is the same in italian and in english:

https://context.reverso.net/traduzione/italiano-inglese/Oggettivamente

"
Oggettivamente è giustificabile, è corretto. -> Objectively this is
justifiable, it is correct.

Oggettivamente parlando, - ha un aspetto più virile. -> Objectively
speaking, he does appear more virile. 
"


> 
> 
> > 
> > > > > Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal
> > > > > decision.   It
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > > take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and
> > > > > helpful!
> > > > > Tread lightly!
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped
> > > > > humanity.
> > > > > Try and find something else you have done that has "helped
> > > > > humanity".
> > > > > That is BIG.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Lets not blow it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have
> > > > > helped
> > > > > me
> > > > > and
> > > > > others with LCNC.
> > > > > I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dave
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > > WOW - I missed it all!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
> > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > check
> > > > > > emails until we returned.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > obligation to comment.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > > > > > list
> > > > > > has been
> > > > > > doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event",
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the
> > > > > > work to
> > > > > > develop the
> > > > > > COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it
> > > > > > will be
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > thankless job. Even more 

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:33 -0600, R C wrote:
> On 7/18/21 9:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:16 -0600, R C wrote:
> > > On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:
> > > > > I missed the beginning as well, but I think something
> > > > > happened
> > > > > that
> > > > > was
> > > > > not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
> > > > > Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I really have no idea.
> > > > > 
> > > > > No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
> > > > > important.   I
> > > > > asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".
> > > > > 
> > > > > Personally, I don't see the need for it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when
> > > > > they
> > > > > can't
> > > > > be explained.
> > > > > You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't
> > > > > pretty.   If
> > > > > someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a
> > > > > "cooperative
> > > > > effort"
> > > > > between a number of very intelligent folks.
> > > > I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal
> > > > to
> > > > follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious
> > > > who
> > > > thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even
> > > > start.
> > > > 
> > > > Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some
> > > > cases
> > > > intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an
> > > > objectively
> > > > tiny
> > > > set of additional rules for the common good.
> > > Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by
> > > someone
> > > for
> > > others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and
> > > therefor
> > > not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S' storm
> > > you
> > > see going on here, and rightfully so.
> > You are again misunderstanding my words: I didn't say that rules
> > are
> > objective, I said it is an objectively tiny set of rules (compared
> > to
> > some other CoC like the Sourceforge one and the W3C one).
> > And yes, who runs the project has admin rights and owns it in
> > practice,
> > and has the right to issue rules for others to follow.
> 
> You need to meticulously read what you just sent, possibly more than 
> just once,  but please use a dictionary when you do, too look up the 
> meaning of words like "objective"..   I had to learn English too,  it
> is 
> my second language,  I know it can be hard at times.
> 
> (although I  actually have the impression that you're just spewing 
> nonsense, and when someone calls you on it, you claim them to be too 
> dumb and not actually understand what it is you said. That is not
> how 
> language works.).


The CoC is just an application of real world practices: it is like you
went visiting me at home, not only you have to follow the law, in
addition you have to follow my rules if you want to stay, and if you
start a flame against my rules it is sure that you cannot stay, because
I own the home and have the right to kick you out.



> 
> > 
> > > > > Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal
> > > > > decision.   It
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > > take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and
> > > > > helpful!
> > > > > Tread lightly!
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped
> > > > > humanity.
> > > > > Try and find something else you have done that has "helped
> > > > > humanity".
> > > > > That is BIG.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Lets not blow it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have
> > > > > helped
> > > > > me
> > > > > and
> > > > > others with LCNC.
> > > > > I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dave
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > > WOW - I missed it all!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
> > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > check
> > > > > > emails until we returned.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > obligation to comment.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > > > > > list
> > > > > > has been
> > > > > > doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event",
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the
> > > > > > work to
> > > > > > develop the
> > > > > > COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it
> > > > > > will be
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > thankless job. Even more thankless than general
> > > > > > development. :)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It is my 

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[R C]

On 7/18/21 9:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:16 -0600, R C wrote:

On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:

I missed the beginning as well, but I think something happened
that
was
not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?

I really have no idea.

No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
important.   I
asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".

Personally, I don't see the need for it.

I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when
they
can't
be explained.
You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't pretty.   If
someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.

Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a "cooperative
effort"
between a number of very intelligent folks.

I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal to
follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious who
thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even start.

Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some cases
intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an objectively
tiny
set of additional rules for the common good.

Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by someone
for
others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and
therefor
not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S' storm
you
see going on here, and rightfully so.

You are again misunderstanding my words: I didn't say that rules are
objective, I said it is an objectively tiny set of rules (compared to
some other CoC like the Sourceforge one and the W3C one).
And yes, who runs the project has admin rights and owns it in practice,
and has the right to issue rules for others to follow.


You need to meticulously read what you just sent, possibly more than 
just once,  but please use a dictionary when you do, too look up the 
meaning of words like "objective"..   I had to learn English too,  it is 
my second language,  I know it can be hard at times.


(although I  actually have the impression that you're just spewing 
nonsense, and when someone calls you on it, you claim them to be too 
dumb and not actually understand what it is you said. That is not how 
language works.).









Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal decision.   It
doesn't
take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and helpful!
Tread lightly!

I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped
humanity.
Try and find something else you have done that has "helped
humanity".
That is BIG.

Lets not blow it.

Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have helped
me
and
others with LCNC.
I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)

Dave


On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

WOW - I missed it all!

My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
didn't
check
emails until we returned.

Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with
the
obligation to comment.

The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
list
has been
doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
appropriate.

I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the work to
develop the
COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.

I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it
will be
a
thankless job. Even more thankless than general development. :)

It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less
interesting
than the
maytag repairman job.

thank you Jeff for your attention and work

Stuart

I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a
project.
He is
thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his
thought
pattern.
:)

My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a democratic
vote would
fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one hundred
people
walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed on
what
to eat
and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone needs
to
eat. Not
pleasant.





On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt <
wendt.m...@gmail.com>
wrote:


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh 
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark 
wrote:


Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create
political
division and strife

No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never
Jeff's

intention.

--
atp


It may not have been his intention but it certainly has
turned
the group
into just that.

Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:16 -0600, R C wrote:
> On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:
> > > I missed the beginning as well, but I think something happened
> > > that
> > > was
> > > not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
> > > Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?
> > > 
> > > I really have no idea.
> > > 
> > > No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
> > > important.   I
> > > asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".
> > > 
> > > Personally, I don't see the need for it.
> > > 
> > > I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when
> > > they
> > > can't
> > > be explained.
> > > You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't pretty.   If
> > > someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a "cooperative
> > > effort"
> > > between a number of very intelligent folks.
> > I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal to
> > follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious who
> > thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even start.
> > 
> > Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some cases
> > intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an objectively
> > tiny
> > set of additional rules for the common good.
> 
> Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by someone
> for 
> others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and
> therefor 
> not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S' storm
> you 
> see going on here, and rightfully so.

You are again misunderstanding my words: I didn't say that rules are
objective, I said it is an objectively tiny set of rules (compared to
some other CoC like the Sourceforge one and the W3C one).
And yes, who runs the project has admin rights and owns it in practice,
and has the right to issue rules for others to follow.


> 
> 
> > 
> > > Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal decision.   It
> > > doesn't
> > > take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and helpful!
> > > Tread lightly!
> > > 
> > > I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped
> > > humanity.
> > > Try and find something else you have done that has "helped
> > > humanity".
> > > That is BIG.
> > > 
> > > Lets not blow it.
> > > 
> > > Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have helped
> > > me
> > > and
> > > others with LCNC.
> > > I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)
> > > 
> > > Dave
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > WOW - I missed it all!
> > > > 
> > > > My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
> > > > didn't
> > > > check
> > > > emails until we returned.
> > > > 
> > > > Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with
> > > > the
> > > > obligation to comment.
> > > > 
> > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > > > list
> > > > has been
> > > > doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > > > appropriate.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the work to
> > > > develop the
> > > > COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it
> > > > will be
> > > > a
> > > > thankless job. Even more thankless than general development. :)
> > > > 
> > > > It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less
> > > > interesting
> > > > than the
> > > > maytag repairman job.
> > > > 
> > > > thank you Jeff for your attention and work
> > > > 
> > > > Stuart
> > > > 
> > > > I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a
> > > > project.
> > > > He is
> > > > thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his
> > > > thought
> > > > pattern.
> > > > :)
> > > > 
> > > > My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a democratic
> > > > vote would
> > > > fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one hundred
> > > > people
> > > > walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed on
> > > > what
> > > > to eat
> > > > and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone needs
> > > > to
> > > > eat. Not
> > > > pleasant.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt <
> > > > wendt.m...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh  > > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create
> > > > > > > political
> > > > > > > division and strife
> > > > > > No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never
> > > > > > Jeff's
> > > > > intention.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > atp
> > > > > > 
> > > > > It may not have been his intention but it certainly has
> > > 

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[R C]

On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:

I missed the beginning as well, but I think something happened that
was
not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?

I really have no idea.

No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
important.   I
asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".

Personally, I don't see the need for it.

I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when they
can't
be explained.
You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't pretty.   If
someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.

Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a "cooperative
effort"
between a number of very intelligent folks.

I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal to
follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious who
thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even start.

Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some cases
intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an objectively tiny
set of additional rules for the common good.


Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by someone for 
others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and therefor 
not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S' storm you 
see going on here, and rightfully so.







Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal decision.   It
doesn't
take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and helpful!
Tread lightly!

I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped humanity.
Try and find something else you have done that has "helped humanity".
That is BIG.

Lets not blow it.

Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have helped me
and
others with LCNC.
I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)

Dave


On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

WOW - I missed it all!

My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't
check
emails until we returned.

Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
obligation to comment.

The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list
has been
doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
appropriate.

I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the work to
develop the
COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.

I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it will be
a
thankless job. Even more thankless than general development. :)

It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less interesting
than the
maytag repairman job.

thank you Jeff for your attention and work

Stuart

I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a project.
He is
thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his thought
pattern.
:)

My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a democratic
vote would
fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one hundred
people
walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed on what
to eat
and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone needs to
eat. Not
pleasant.





On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt 
wrote:


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh 
wrote:


On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark 
wrote:


Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create
political
division and strife

No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's

intention.

--
atp


It may not have been his intention but it certainly has turned
the group
into just that.

Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:
> I missed the beginning as well, but I think something happened that
> was 
> not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
> Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?
> 
> I really have no idea.
> 
> No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
> important.   I 
> asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".
> 
> Personally, I don't see the need for it.
> 
> I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when they
> can't 
> be explained.
> You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't pretty.   If 
> someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.
> 
> Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a "cooperative
> effort" 
> between a number of very intelligent folks.

I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal to
follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious who
thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even start.

Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some cases
intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an objectively tiny
set of additional rules for the common good.


> Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal decision.   It
> doesn't 
> take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and helpful!
> Tread lightly!
> 
> I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped humanity.
> Try and find something else you have done that has "helped humanity".
> That is BIG.
> 
> Lets not blow it.
> 
> Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have helped me
> and 
> others with LCNC.
> I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > WOW - I missed it all!
> > 
> > My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't
> > check
> > emails until we returned.
> > 
> > Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> > obligation to comment.
> > 
> > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list
> > has been
> > doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > appropriate.
> > 
> > I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the work to
> > develop the
> > COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.
> > 
> > I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it will be
> > a
> > thankless job. Even more thankless than general development. :)
> > 
> > It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less interesting
> > than the
> > maytag repairman job.
> > 
> > thank you Jeff for your attention and work
> > 
> > Stuart
> > 
> > I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a project.
> > He is
> > thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his thought
> > pattern.
> > :)
> > 
> > My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a democratic
> > vote would
> > fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one hundred
> > people
> > walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed on what
> > to eat
> > and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone needs to
> > eat. Not
> > pleasant.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create
> > > > > political
> > > > > division and strife
> > > > No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's
> > > intention.
> > > > --
> > > > atp
> > > > 
> > > It may not have been his intention but it certainly has turned
> > > the group
> > > into just that.
> > > 
> > > Mark
> > > 
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Re: [Emc-users] Emc-users Digest, Vol 183, Issue 95

[Alan Condit]

Gene, Chris, Milosz and everybody who has tried to help,

I took the power supply out of the controller cabinet and set it up on the 
bench. I used a small screw driver to turn the fan a few times, then I turned 
it on and the fan ran. Like Milosz said it was loud. I turned it off and turned 
it back on again and the fan ran, Great problem fixed (yeah, right). I put it 
back in the cabinet and turned it on (silence). So I will take it back out of 
the cabinet and see if I can get it to run and start reliably after a period of 
rest. Otherwise it looks like replacing the fan is the answer.

Thanks all,
Alan

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>   1. Re: Meanwell SE600-48 Power Supply (Gene Heskett)
>   2. Re: Power Draw Bar (Andy Pugh)
>   3. Re: Power Draw Bar (John Dammeyer)
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> From: Gene Heskett 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Meanwell SE600-48 Power Supply
> Date: July 18, 2021 at 6:59:05 PM CDT
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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> 
> On Friday 16 July 2021 15:33:23 Alan Condit wrote:
> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> The unit doesn’t seem to be warm.
>> I adjusted the voltage down to 42 volts, to provide some headroom. I
>> am using KL5056 stepper drivers and they say max 50 volts. There is
>> definitely power to the fan because if I try to turn it it snaps back
>> to the fixed position. The voltage is rock steady at 42 volts.
>> 
>> I wonder if it is just the fan or fan controller that is bad.
>> 
>> I bought the power supply a year or so ago but this is the first time
>> I have applied power to it. Maybe I will have to open it up and see if
>> I could replace the fan.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
> That rather sounds like a good idea, Alan. From your description it 
> sounds like the motors own hal effect commutation circuit has died. That 
> is typically buried someplace in the motor, so if it has voltage, but is 
> not running, and the motor itself may be hot, its probably time for a 
> new fan.  Call it infant mortality.
> 
>>> From: Chris Albertson 
>>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Meanwell SE600-48 Power Supply
>>> Date: July 15, 2021 at 12:21:10 PM CDT
>>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you place your hand on the power supply and feel no heat, then
>>> I'd expect the fan to be off.
>>> 
>>> I some a good size power resistors mounted to a heat sink with a fan
>>> that I used for testing power supplies.  Testing with no dummy load
>>> is not very meaningful.   The load is set up so it can be quickly
>>> rewired with resistors in series or parallel in different ways using
>>> a terminal block.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 9:19 AM Alan Condit  
> wrote:
 I am building a new controller cabinet. I installed a Meanwell
 SE600-48 power supply. When I turn on the power supply the fan
 doesn’t turn on. If I leave the power supply on for a little while
 I hear an intermittent clicking (like a relay) but no fan. Does it
 have some kind of temperature control on the fan? Is it not turning
 on because I currently have virtually no load on the power supply?
 
 Thanks,
 Alan
 
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> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Andy Pugh 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Power Draw Bar
> Date: July 18, 2021 at 7:00:27 PM CDT
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 19 Jul 2021, at 00:39, John Dammeyer  wrote:
>> 
>> case though is there a way to limit the distance the butterfly turns?
> 
> Have you considered a disc spring setup instead?  The one on my mill has 
> worked well. 
> 
> Otherwise: maybe you could have a plain section above the thread for the nut 
> to run in to, and then a cap to stop it all disassembling. 
> You might want a spring to 

Re: [Emc-users] Power Draw Bar

[John Dammeyer]

Hi Andy,
> From: Andy Pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com]
The disk spring setup would be great if the only thing I used was TT Tooling.  
But if I remove the R8 3/4" flat top collet and insert my 3/4" R8 drill chuck 
the springs seem like they'd be an issue. The air cylinder to push on the 
spring washers now has to be moved out of the way. How tight is tight?
  
I had thought of using a stepper motor and 100:1 planetary drive which are 
available for about $60.  Pretty easy to engage air cylinder to push socket 
onto draw bar.  Then turn 200 turns to unwind draw bar two turns.  To tighten 
turn two rotations.   The torque multiplier is more than enough to create the 
12 to 18 inch lbs required.
 
If I want to remove the collet then run it 12 rotations.   I think even a 50:1 
with 150 oz-in motor will work.
 
And I have an extra stepgen available on the MESA.  
 
But I already have the butterfly wrench, air cylinder, electric valves, 
regulators etc.  All but the mechanical hardware.  For that I'm busy changing 
the 2D drawings into 3D Parametric so I can use LCNC to make them.
 

 
> 
> > On 19 Jul 2021, at 00:39, John Dammeyer <  
> > jo...@autoartisans.com> wrote:
> >
> > case though is there a way to limit the distance the butterfly turns?
> 
> Have you considered a disc spring setup instead?  The one on my mill has 
> worked well.
> 
> Otherwise: maybe you could have a plain section above the thread for the nut 
> to run in to, and then a cap to stop it all
> disassembling.
> You might want a spring to re-engage the nut with the thread.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Power Draw Bar

[Andy Pugh]

> On 19 Jul 2021, at 00:39, John Dammeyer  wrote:
> 
> case though is there a way to limit the distance the butterfly turns?

Have you considered a disc spring setup instead?  The one on my mill has worked 
well. 

Otherwise: maybe you could have a plain section above the thread for the nut to 
run in to, and then a cap to stop it all disassembling. 
You might want a spring to re-engage the nut with the thread. 





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Re: [Emc-users] Meanwell SE600-48 Power Supply

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 16 July 2021 15:33:23 Alan Condit wrote:

> Chris,
>
> The unit doesn’t seem to be warm.
> I adjusted the voltage down to 42 volts, to provide some headroom. I
> am using KL5056 stepper drivers and they say max 50 volts. There is
> definitely power to the fan because if I try to turn it it snaps back
> to the fixed position. The voltage is rock steady at 42 volts.
>
> I wonder if it is just the fan or fan controller that is bad.
>
> I bought the power supply a year or so ago but this is the first time
> I have applied power to it. Maybe I will have to open it up and see if
> I could replace the fan.
>
> Alan
>
That rather sounds like a good idea, Alan. From your description it 
sounds like the motors own hal effect commutation circuit has died. That 
is typically buried someplace in the motor, so if it has voltage, but is 
not running, and the motor itself may be hot, its probably time for a 
new fan.  Call it infant mortality.

> > From: Chris Albertson 
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Meanwell SE600-48 Power Supply
> > Date: July 15, 2021 at 12:21:10 PM CDT
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> > 
> >
> >
> > If you place your hand on the power supply and feel no heat, then
> > I'd expect the fan to be off.
> >
> > I some a good size power resistors mounted to a heat sink with a fan
> > that I used for testing power supplies.  Testing with no dummy load
> > is not very meaningful.   The load is set up so it can be quickly
> > rewired with resistors in series or parallel in different ways using
> > a terminal block.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 9:19 AM Alan Condit  
wrote:
> >> I am building a new controller cabinet. I installed a Meanwell
> >> SE600-48 power supply. When I turn on the power supply the fan
> >> doesn’t turn on. If I leave the power supply on for a little while
> >> I hear an intermittent clicking (like a relay) but no fan. Does it
> >> have some kind of temperature control on the fan? Is it not turning
> >> on because I currently have virtually no load on the power supply?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Alan
> >>
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Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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[Emc-users] Power Draw Bar

[John Dammeyer]

A long long time ago I read an article in Home Shop Machinist written by Rick 
Sparber on what he called a WUT. 
https://rick.sparber.org/Articles/drawbar/Drawbar.htm
Although I couldn't make mine exactly as his I was able to at least create a 
thick hex washer so that I could tighten the draw bar while holding the WUT 
with a wrench.  Testing with a torque wrench can actually reach the 20 inch 
pounds as the maximum suggested for the Tormach Tooling.  In reality I don't 
come close to that amount of torque and so far I haven't run into issues with 
anything slipping.  
 
I also paid for the instructions from homeshopaccessories for the power drawbar 
that uses a small butterfly air impact wrench.
http://home.insightbb.com/~joevicar3/cheap_drawbar.htm
 
In playing around with the power tapping project I also tried using the 
butterfly wrench to tighten and loosen the TT Tools.  First, the wrench has to 
work really hard to reach 20 inch lbs.  And it has to work really hard to 
loosen the drawbar if the torque wrench was used to bring it to 20 inch lbs.   
The more normal value is around 12 inch pounds which seems more than adequate.
 
However, and there's the issue.  Like any air impact wrench it chugs away until 
it breaks the nut loose and then spins up fast.  Fast enough to completely 
uncouple the draw bar from the R8 holder and the whole works drops out.   If it 
does that then there's no real point to the TT tools other than repeatability;  
which is an advantage..
 
My question is about controlling the reverse on the butterfly wrench to limit 
it to two turns.  I'm sure I could connect an encoder on the wrench shaft to 
count a number of edges per turn and after two turns shut off the air valve.  
But how fast does an air system react?  By the time you reach two turns is it 
already spinning so fast that it releases the R8 before the air pressure is 
gone?
 
Is there some sort of mechanical approach to allow it to turn two turns and 
then prevent further turns?  This can't be fixed in stone because there will be 
times where more than two turns are required for removing the R8 collet.
 
So I think LCNC with the MESA interface can count an encoder.  It can probably 
even switch off a valve within a few milli-seconds of N encoder counts.So 
the HAL file would read in input for UnloadTool. Clear the encoder counter and 
assert an output to open the air valve.  On encoder_count = X close the air 
valve.
 
Actually I'd probably just program a separate micro-processor to do this and 
produce a done signal on the request input.  I either case though is there a 
way to limit the distance the butterfly turns?
 
John
 
 
"ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe"
Automation Artisans Inc.
www dot autoartisans dot com 
 

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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Phill Carter]

> On 19 Jul 2021, at 7:13 am, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> 
> On Sunday 18 July 2021 16:17:31 Mark Wendt wrote:
> 
>> It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
>> everything included in the Code?
>> 
>> Mark
> 
> No Mark, I don't, and the reason has been discussed to death. I am a CET, 
> and when I read of someone violating a basic electrical assembly rule 
> because they are mechanical, not electronicly minded, I feel obligated 
> to try and enlighten, which could be construed as offering too much 
> help. And that is against the CoC as it exists. Remove that, and the 
> rest becomes a non-issue, so why have it in the list at all. Quite 
> simply, we don't need it, any of it.

I thought that had been removed.


> 
> I've been here for 18 years under 2 or 3 names, and my only entanglment 
> has been with Seb, who doesn't like a jpeg image sharp enough to show 
> the problem.  Sure, I run everything I post thru gimp, smunchng it until 
> I start to see jpeg artifacts. But that limit means they must be below 
> 200k raw because the base64 used for images in email expands it. I can 
> make any image good at half a meg base64'd, but the jpeg artifacts get 
> pretty obvious below 200k. So I don't post where one pix is better than 
> 1000 words.
> [...]
> 
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> - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Feral Engineer]

Honestly, i do. Read it again. I think it's been changed because it's not
really that bad. It literally just says don't be a d-bag. I didn't
sidestep, I just don't see why I should get deeper into it. I don't let
petty matters bother me. It's just an email list for a free piece of
software. Don't let it spoil your whole day.

Phil T.
The Feral Engineer

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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 6:20 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:

> And you sidestepped my question yet again.
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 17:21 Feral Engineer 
> wrote:
>
> > I honestly just think you're reading into it way too deeply. Way bigger
> > fish to fry in the world these days.
> >
> > Phil T.
> > The Feral Engineer
> >
> > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> >
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> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 5:14 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
> >
> > > I didn't ask if it was commonplace. I asked if you agreed with
> everything
> > > in it. Just because something may be commonplace doesn't necessarily
> mean
> > > its good.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 16:34 Feral Engineer  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of
> the
> > > > admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be
> > > handled
> > > > by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop feeding
> > into
> > > > it negatively.
> > > >
> > > > Phil T.
> > > > The Feral Engineer
> > > >
> > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > > >
> > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
> > > > > everything included in the Code?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer <
> > theferalengin...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of
> discussion.
> > > > > Simply
> > > > > > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Back to vinyl siding for me...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Phil T.
> > > > > > The Feral Engineer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics
> at
> > > > > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > > > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the
> > vast
> > > > > > majority
> > > > > > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering
> > > everybody
> > > > > > makes
> > > > > > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so
> > than
> > > > it
> > > > > > > already is?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mark
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson <
> stus...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gentlemen,
> > > > > > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be
> > > > > grandfathered
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed
> to
> > > work
> > > > > > under
> > > > > > > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement
> to
> > be
> > > > > bound
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new
> > > > > participants.
> > > > > > > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary
> > > participant
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > > participant basis.
> > > > > > > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report
> offenders.
> > > > > > > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences
> > > > hiding
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > weeds. :)
> > > > > > > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> > > > > > > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think
> > > and I
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > > > > > > > regards
> > > > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett <
> > > ghesk...@shentel.net
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know
> > if
> > > > > there
> > > > > > > is a
> 

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[fxkl47BF via Emc-users]

On Sunday, July 18th, 2021 at 4:18 PM, Feral Engineer 
 wrote:

> I honestly just think you're reading into it way too deeply. Way bigger
> fish to fry in the world these days.
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer

exactly, it's not like we were given a choice, so why bother


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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Mark Wendt]

Because this topic is pretty darned important to a good number of people on
this list, has yet to be resolved and we've heard no answers or reasons why
it was initiated in the first place with no discussion with long time list
members.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 17:25 Feral Engineer 
wrote:

> Agreed, Gene but my goodness, this topic is being beaten to death. All I
> want to do is build machines and help others so the same.
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
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> www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 5:20 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> > On Sunday 18 July 2021 16:58:02 Feral Engineer wrote:
> >
> > > The only control I'm worried about on this email list is CNC control
> > >
> > > Phil T.
> > > The Feral Engineer
> >
> > Exactly Phil, although I don't mind  a side detour that lets me know how
> > others think.
> >
> > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:34 PM R C  wrote:
> > > > On 7/18/21 2:18 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > > > > Snort. That works so well.
> > > >
> > > > It working well  was never the intention,  it's the "control" part
> > > > that was of interest.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C  wrote:
> > > > >> On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > > > >>> Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone
> > > > >>> needs to enforce it, no?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Mark
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson 
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >  Who is the sheriff?
> > > > 
> > > >  On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > > 
> > > >  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> > > > >
> > > > > stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> WOW - I missed it all!
> > > > >> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
> > > > >> didn't
> > > > >>
> > > > >> check
> > > > >>
> > > > >> emails until we returned.
> > > > >> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with
> > > > >> the obligation to comment.
> > > > >> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > > > >> list has
> > > > 
> > > >  been
> > > > 
> > > > >> doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > > > >
> > > > > appropriate.
> > > > >
> > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Mark Wendt]

And you sidestepped my question yet again.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 17:21 Feral Engineer 
wrote:

> I honestly just think you're reading into it way too deeply. Way bigger
> fish to fry in the world these days.
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
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>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 5:14 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
>
> > I didn't ask if it was commonplace. I asked if you agreed with everything
> > in it. Just because something may be commonplace doesn't necessarily mean
> > its good.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 16:34 Feral Engineer 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of the
> > > admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be
> > handled
> > > by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop feeding
> into
> > > it negatively.
> > >
> > > Phil T.
> > > The Feral Engineer
> > >
> > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
> > > > everything included in the Code?
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer <
> theferalengin...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion.
> > > > Simply
> > > > > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.
> > > > >
> > > > > Back to vinyl siding for me...
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil T.
> > > > > The Feral Engineer
> > > > >
> > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > > > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > > > >
> > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the
> vast
> > > > > majority
> > > > > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering
> > everybody
> > > > > makes
> > > > > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so
> than
> > > it
> > > > > > already is?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gentlemen,
> > > > > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be
> > > > grandfathered
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to
> > work
> > > > > under
> > > > > > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to
> be
> > > > bound
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new
> > > > participants.
> > > > > > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary
> > participant
> > > > by
> > > > > > > participant basis.
> > > > > > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> > > > > > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences
> > > hiding
> > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > weeds. :)
> > > > > > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> > > > > > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think
> > and I
> > > > can
> > > > > > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > > > > > > regards
> > > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett <
> > ghesk...@shentel.net
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know
> if
> > > > there
> > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > designated sheriff.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on
> > the
> > > > > list
> > > > > > > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > > > > > > > > non-event", is
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > > > > > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > > > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > > > > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > > > > > respectable.
> > > > > > > >  - Louis D. Brandeis
> 

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[ken.strauss]

Indeed! Two (or even many wrongs don't make a right.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Wendt  
Sent: July 18, 2021 5:12 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

I didn't ask if it was commonplace. I asked if you agreed with everything in
it. Just because something may be commonplace doesn't necessarily mean its
good.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 16:34 Feral Engineer 
wrote:

> i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of the 
> admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be 
> handled by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop 
> feeding into it negatively.
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at 
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
> Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
>
> > It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with 
> > everything included in the Code?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion.
> > Simply
> > > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.
> > >
> > > Back to vinyl siding for me...
> > >
> > > Phil T.
> > > The Feral Engineer
> > >
> > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics 
> > > at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the 
> > > > vast
> > > majority
> > > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering 
> > > > everybody
> > > makes
> > > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so 
> > > > than
> it
> > > > already is?
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Gentlemen,
> > > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be
> > grandfathered
> > > in
> > > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to 
> > > > > work
> > > under
> > > > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to 
> > > > > be
> > bound
> > > > by
> > > > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new
> > participants.
> > > > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary 
> > > > > participant
> > by
> > > > > participant basis.
> > > > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> > > > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences
> hiding
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > weeds. :)
> > > > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing) You cannot 
> > > > > imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I
> > can
> > > > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > > > > regards
> > > > > Stuart
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett 
> > > > >  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know 
> > > > > > if
> > there
> > > > is a
> > > > > > designated sheriff.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone 
> > > > > > > > > on the
> > > list
> > > > > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, 
> > > > > > > > > "a non-event", is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > > > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > > > respectable.
> > > > > >  - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > > > > Genes Web page 
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Addressee is the intended audience.
> > > > > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for 
> > > > > you
> to
> > > read
> > > > > this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this 
> > > > > without
> > > saving
> > > > or
> > > > > reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my 
> > > > > private correspondence.
> > > > > Thank you for honoring my wish.
> > > > >
> > > > > ___
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> > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > 

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Bari]

On 7/18/21 4:22 PM, Feral Engineer wrote:


this topic is being beaten to death

It would not happen here if the the squeaky wheel didn't get the grease.


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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Feral Engineer]

Agreed, Gene but my goodness, this topic is being beaten to death. All I
want to do is build machines and help others so the same.

Phil T.
The Feral Engineer

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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 5:20 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Sunday 18 July 2021 16:58:02 Feral Engineer wrote:
>
> > The only control I'm worried about on this email list is CNC control
> >
> > Phil T.
> > The Feral Engineer
>
> Exactly Phil, although I don't mind  a side detour that lets me know how
> others think.
>
> > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> >
> > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:34 PM R C  wrote:
> > > On 7/18/21 2:18 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > > > Snort. That works so well.
> > >
> > > It working well  was never the intention,  it's the "control" part
> > > that was of interest.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C  wrote:
> > > >> On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > > >>> Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone
> > > >>> needs to enforce it, no?
> > > >>
> > > >> Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago
> > > >>
> > > >>> Mark
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson 
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >  Who is the sheriff?
> > > 
> > >  On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > 
> > >  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> > > >
> > > > stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> WOW - I missed it all!
> > > >> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
> > > >> didn't
> > > >>
> > > >> check
> > > >>
> > > >> emails until we returned.
> > > >> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with
> > > >> the obligation to comment.
> > > >> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > > >> list has
> > > 
> > >  been
> > > 
> > > >> doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > > >
> > > > appropriate.
> > > >
> > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ___
> > > > Emc-users mailing list
> > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> > > 
> > >  ___
> > >  Emc-users mailing list
> > >  Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >  https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ___
> > > >>> Emc-users mailing list
> > > >>> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> > > >>
> > > >> ___
> > > >> Emc-users mailing list
> > > >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> > > >
> > > > ___
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> > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> > >
> > > ___
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> > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> >
> > ___
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> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
>
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Feral Engineer]

I honestly just think you're reading into it way too deeply. Way bigger
fish to fry in the world these days.

Phil T.
The Feral Engineer

Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 5:14 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:

> I didn't ask if it was commonplace. I asked if you agreed with everything
> in it. Just because something may be commonplace doesn't necessarily mean
> its good.
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 16:34 Feral Engineer 
> wrote:
>
> > i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of the
> > admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be
> handled
> > by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop feeding into
> > it negatively.
> >
> > Phil T.
> > The Feral Engineer
> >
> > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> >
> > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
> >
> > > It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
> > > everything included in the Code?
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion.
> > > Simply
> > > > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.
> > > >
> > > > Back to vinyl siding for me...
> > > >
> > > > Phil T.
> > > > The Feral Engineer
> > > >
> > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > > >
> > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast
> > > > majority
> > > > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering
> everybody
> > > > makes
> > > > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than
> > it
> > > > > already is?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Gentlemen,
> > > > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be
> > > grandfathered
> > > > in
> > > > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to
> work
> > > > under
> > > > > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be
> > > bound
> > > > > by
> > > > > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new
> > > participants.
> > > > > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary
> participant
> > > by
> > > > > > participant basis.
> > > > > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> > > > > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences
> > hiding
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > weeds. :)
> > > > > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> > > > > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think
> and I
> > > can
> > > > > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > > > > > regards
> > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett <
> ghesk...@shentel.net
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if
> > > there
> > > > > is a
> > > > > > > designated sheriff.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on
> the
> > > > list
> > > > > > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > > > > > > > non-event", is
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > > > > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > > > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > > > > respectable.
> > > > > > >  - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > > > > > Genes Web page 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Addressee is the intended audience.
> > > > > > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you
> > to
> > > > read
> > > > > > this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without
> > > > saving
> > > > > or
> > > > > > reading, and cease and desist from 

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 18 July 2021 16:58:02 Feral Engineer wrote:

> The only control I'm worried about on this email list is CNC control
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer

Exactly Phil, although I don't mind  a side detour that lets me know how 
others think.

> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
> Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:34 PM R C  wrote:
> > On 7/18/21 2:18 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > > Snort. That works so well.
> >
> > It working well  was never the intention,  it's the "control" part
> > that was of interest.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C  wrote:
> > >> On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > >>> Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone
> > >>> needs to enforce it, no?
> > >>
> > >> Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago
> > >>
> > >>> Mark
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson 
> >
> > wrote:
> >  Who is the sheriff?
> > 
> >  On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > 
> >  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> > >
> > > stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> WOW - I missed it all!
> > >> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
> > >> didn't
> > >>
> > >> check
> > >>
> > >> emails until we returned.
> > >> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with
> > >> the obligation to comment.
> > >> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > >> list has
> > 
> >  been
> > 
> > >> doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > >
> > > appropriate.
> > >
> > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ___
> > > Emc-users mailing list
> > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> > 
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> > >>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 18 July 2021 16:17:31 Mark Wendt wrote:

> It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
> everything included in the Code?
>
> Mark

No Mark, I don't, and the reason has been discussed to death. I am a CET, 
and when I read of someone violating a basic electrical assembly rule 
because they are mechanical, not electronicly minded, I feel obligated 
to try and enlighten, which could be construed as offering too much 
help. And that is against the CoC as it exists. Remove that, and the 
rest becomes a non-issue, so why have it in the list at all. Quite 
simply, we don't need it, any of it.

I've been here for 18 years under 2 or 3 names, and my only entanglment 
has been with Seb, who doesn't like a jpeg image sharp enough to show 
the problem.  Sure, I run everything I post thru gimp, smunchng it until 
I start to see jpeg artifacts. But that limit means they must be below 
200k raw because the base64 used for images in email expands it. I can 
make any image good at half a meg base64'd, but the jpeg artifacts get 
pretty obvious below 200k. So I don't post where one pix is better than 
1000 words.
[...]

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-- 
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Mark Wendt]

Prezackly.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 16:34 R C  wrote:

>
> On 7/18/21 2:18 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > Snort. That works so well.
>
> It working well  was never the intention,  it's the "control" part that
> was of interest.
>
> Ron
>
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C  wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> >>> Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
> >>> enforce it, no?
> >> Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago
> >>
> >>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  Who is the sheriff?
> 
>  On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
>  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> > stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> WOW - I missed it all!
> >> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't
> >> check
> >> emails until we returned.
> >> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> >> obligation to comment.
> >> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has
>  been
> >> doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > appropriate.
> >
> > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> >
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Mark Wendt]

I didn't ask if it was commonplace. I asked if you agreed with everything
in it. Just because something may be commonplace doesn't necessarily mean
its good.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 16:34 Feral Engineer 
wrote:

> i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of the
> admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be handled
> by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop feeding into
> it negatively.
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
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> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
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>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
>
> > It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
> > everything included in the Code?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion.
> > Simply
> > > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.
> > >
> > > Back to vinyl siding for me...
> > >
> > > Phil T.
> > > The Feral Engineer
> > >
> > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast
> > > majority
> > > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering everybody
> > > makes
> > > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than
> it
> > > > already is?
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Gentlemen,
> > > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be
> > grandfathered
> > > in
> > > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to work
> > > under
> > > > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be
> > bound
> > > > by
> > > > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new
> > participants.
> > > > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary participant
> > by
> > > > > participant basis.
> > > > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> > > > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences
> hiding
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > weeds. :)
> > > > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> > > > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I
> > can
> > > > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > > > > regards
> > > > > Stuart
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if
> > there
> > > > is a
> > > > > > designated sheriff.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > > list
> > > > > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > > > > > > non-event", is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > > > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > > > respectable.
> > > > > >  - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > > > > Genes Web page 
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Addressee is the intended audience.
> > > > > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you
> to
> > > read
> > > > > this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without
> > > saving
> > > > or
> > > > > reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private
> > > > > correspondence.
> > > > > Thank you for honoring my wish.
> > > > >
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Feral Engineer]

The only control I'm worried about on this email list is CNC control

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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:34 PM R C  wrote:

>
> On 7/18/21 2:18 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > Snort. That works so well.
>
> It working well  was never the intention,  it's the "control" part that
> was of interest.
>
> Ron
>
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C  wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> >>> Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
> >>> enforce it, no?
> >> Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago
> >>
> >>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  Who is the sheriff?
> 
>  On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
>  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> > stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> WOW - I missed it all!
> >> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't
> >> check
> >> emails until we returned.
> >> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> >> obligation to comment.
> >> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has
>  been
> >> doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > appropriate.
> >
> > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> >
> >
> >
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[Emc-users] Features setting in ini

[Feral Engineer]

Anyone have a list of what the values in the features ini setting pertain
to? Anytime I include features, i just set it to features=30, like verser
"work with probe" uses. It would be nice to know what I'm doing rather than
just blindly setting a value.

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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[R C]

for what it is worth:


I have been on and off this list for a good long whle, mostly lurking (I 
first signed up probably a decade ago, probably different email addr)



What I never saw happen, accept on rare occassions, is getting a 
"personal" email from another member.


Now I am get half a dozen to a dozen a day. So that CoC has two side 
effects, already, it seems.



1] Directly emailing each other about things that could be on the list, 
but also not really  BUT also


2] The amount of "social interaction", things that don't necessarily 
have to do with CNC. I must say, I got to know several people quite a 
bit better, so that is good



:)


Hey what about an ethics list of something?   let's see what that does.


Ron


On 7/18/21 2:23 PM, Bari wrote:

On 7/18/21 1:08 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:


Who is the sheriff?

Whomever has admin, Op, kick, ban, etc. etc. status for the mail list, 
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[R C]

On 7/18/21 2:18 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:

Snort. That works so well.


It working well  was never the intention,  it's the "control" part that 
was of interest.


Ron



On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C  wrote:


On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:

Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
enforce it, no?

Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago



Mark

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson  wrote:


Who is the sheriff?

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:


On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
stus...@gmail.com> wrote:


WOW - I missed it all!
My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't

check

emails until we returned.
Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
obligation to comment.
The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has

been

doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is

appropriate.

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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Feral Engineer]

i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of the
admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be handled
by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop feeding into
it negatively.

Phil T.
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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:

> It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
> everything included in the Code?
>
> Mark
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer 
> wrote:
>
> > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion.
> Simply
> > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.
> >
> > Back to vinyl siding for me...
> >
> > Phil T.
> > The Feral Engineer
> >
> > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> >
> > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
> >
> > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast
> > majority
> > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering everybody
> > makes
> > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than it
> > > already is?
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gentlemen,
> > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be
> grandfathered
> > in
> > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to work
> > under
> > > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be
> bound
> > > by
> > > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new
> participants.
> > > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary participant
> by
> > > > participant basis.
> > > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> > > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences hiding
> in
> > > the
> > > > weeds. :)
> > > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> > > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I
> can
> > > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > > > regards
> > > > Stuart
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > > > >
> > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if
> there
> > > is a
> > > > > designated sheriff.
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > list
> > > > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > > > > > non-event", is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > > >
> > > > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > > > --
> > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > > respectable.
> > > > >  - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > > > Genes Web page 
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Addressee is the intended audience.
> > > > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to
> > read
> > > > this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without
> > saving
> > > or
> > > > reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private
> > > > correspondence.
> > > > Thank you for honoring my wish.
> > > >
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Bari]

On 7/18/21 1:08 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:


Who is the sheriff?

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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Mark Wendt]

Snort. That works so well.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C  wrote:

>
> On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
> > enforce it, no?
>
> Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago
>
>
> > Mark
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson  wrote:
> >
> >> Who is the sheriff?
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> >> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> >>> stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  WOW - I missed it all!
>  My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't
> check
>  emails until we returned.
>  Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
>  obligation to comment.
>  The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has
> >> been
>  doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> >>> appropriate.
> >>>
> >>> it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Mark Wendt]

It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
everything included in the Code?

Mark

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer 
wrote:

> I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion. Simply
> put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.
>
> Back to vinyl siding for me...
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
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> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
>
> > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast
> majority
> > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering everybody
> makes
> > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than it
> > already is?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson  wrote:
> >
> > > Gentlemen,
> > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be grandfathered
> in
> > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to work
> under
> > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be bound
> > by
> > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new participants.
> > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary participant by
> > > participant basis.
> > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences hiding in
> > the
> > > weeds. :)
> > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I can
> > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > > regards
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > > >
> > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if there
> > is a
> > > > designated sheriff.
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > > [...]
> > > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> list
> > > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > > > > non-event", is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > >
> > > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > > --
> > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > respectable.
> > > >  - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > > Genes Web page 
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[R C]

On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:

Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
enforce it, no?


Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago



Mark

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson  wrote:


Who is the sheriff?

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:


On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
stus...@gmail.com> wrote:


WOW - I missed it all!
My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
emails until we returned.
Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
obligation to comment.
The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has

been

doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is

appropriate.

it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you



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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Feral Engineer]

I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion. Simply
put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.

Back to vinyl siding for me...

Phil T.
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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:

> Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast majority
> of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering everybody makes
> the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than it
> already is?
>
> Mark
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson  wrote:
>
> > Gentlemen,
> > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be grandfathered in
> > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to work under
> > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be bound
> by
> > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new participants.
> > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary participant by
> > participant basis.
> > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences hiding in
> the
> > weeds. :)
> > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I can
> > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > regards
> > Stuart
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > >
> > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if there
> is a
> > > designated sheriff.
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > [...]
> > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list
> > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > > > non-event", is
> > > > >
> > > > > appropriate.
> > > > >
> > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > >
> > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > --
> > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> respectable.
> > >  - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > Genes Web page 
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Addressee is the intended audience.
> > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read
> > this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Mark Wendt]

Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast majority
of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering everybody makes
the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than it
already is?

Mark

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson  wrote:

> Gentlemen,
> Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be grandfathered in
> with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to work under
> any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be bound by
> the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new participants.
> Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary participant by
> participant basis.
> I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences hiding in the
> weeds. :)
> Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I can
> type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> regards
> Stuart
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> >
> > > Who is the sheriff?
> > >
> > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if there is a
> > designated sheriff.
> >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > [...]
> > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list
> > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > > non-event", is
> > > >
> > > > appropriate.
> > > >
> > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> >
> > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
> >  - Louis D. Brandeis
> > Genes Web page 
> >
>
>
> --
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> If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read
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> Thank you for honoring my wish.
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Mark Wendt]

Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
enforce it, no?

Mark

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson  wrote:

> Who is the sheriff?
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> > stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > WOW - I missed it all!
> > > My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
> > > emails until we returned.
> > > Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> > > obligation to comment.
> > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has
> been
> > > doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > appropriate.
> >
> > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> >
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] AXIS UI Jog Button

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:11:40 nkp wrote:

> sorry for the brevity - language barrier

I wish I could read yours.

However tagging the below onto /usr/bin/axis at the end, returns this 
(attached) when I try to run linuxcnc -l. .axisrc has been chmod +x. Is 
that the problem?

flag = 0

And line 22 is
 print "except flag = ", flag

And I'm lost, removing the chmod made no difference.

Thank you for the prompt response.

> this line should be added to the file  /usr/bin/axis (if RIP version -
> bin/axis )
>
> =
>
>  > it?  What does it do?  Does it work with external jog buttons?
>
> yes, all this code is exactly for this (including code  .axisrc and
> axis)
>
>
> loadrt jogaxisget
> addf jogaxisget.0   servo-thread
>
> netactiveX jogaxisget.0.activeX   axisui.user.activeX
> netactiveY jogaxisget.0.activeY   axisui.user.activeY
> netactiveZ jogaxisget.0.activeZ   axisui.user.activeZ
>
> netaxis:0:kb   jogaxisget.0.Xin0   axis.0.kb-jog-active
> netaxis:1:kb   jogaxisget.0.Yin0   axis.1.kb-jog-active
> netaxis:2:kb   jogaxisget.0.Zin0   axis.2.kb-jog-active
>
> netXisactive jogaxisget.0.Xverify  axisui.user.Xisactive
> netYisactive jogaxisget.0.Yverify  axisui.user.Yisactive
> netZisactive jogaxisget.0.Zverify  axisui.user.Zisactive
>
> netXin1   jogaxisget.0.Xin1   pin_your_external_button_X
> netYin1   jogaxisget.0.Yin1   pin_your_external_button_Y
> netZin1   jogaxisget.0.Zin1   pin_your_external_button_Z
>
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

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Gentlemen,
Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be grandfathered in
with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to work under
any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be bound by
the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new participants.
Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary participant by
participant basis.
I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences hiding in the
weeds. :)
Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I can
type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
regards
Stuart

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
>
> > Who is the sheriff?
> >
> I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if there is a
> designated sheriff.
>
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> [...]
> > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list
> > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > non-event", is
> > >
> > > appropriate.
> > >
> > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
>
> No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
>


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Re: [Emc-users] AXIS UI Jog Button

[nkp216]

 https://youtu.be/Lj0fYeOYWqU

2021-07-18 21:11 GMT+03:00, nkp :
> sorry for the brevity - language barrier
>
>
>
>  > > axis
>  > >
>  > > flag = 0
>
> And what do these two lines do?
>
>
> line flag = 0
>
> this line should be added to the file  /usr/bin/axis (if RIP version -
> bin/axis )
>
> =
>  > it?  What does it do?  Does it work with external jog buttons?
>
> yes, all this code is exactly for this (including code  .axisrc and axis)
>
>
> loadrt jogaxisget
> addf jogaxisget.0   servo-thread
>
> netactiveX jogaxisget.0.activeX   axisui.user.activeX
> netactiveY jogaxisget.0.activeY   axisui.user.activeY
> netactiveZ jogaxisget.0.activeZ   axisui.user.activeZ
>
> netaxis:0:kb   jogaxisget.0.Xin0   axis.0.kb-jog-active
> netaxis:1:kb   jogaxisget.0.Yin0   axis.1.kb-jog-active
> netaxis:2:kb   jogaxisget.0.Zin0   axis.2.kb-jog-active
>
> netXisactive jogaxisget.0.Xverify  axisui.user.Xisactive
> netYisactive jogaxisget.0.Yverify  axisui.user.Yisactive
> netZisactive jogaxisget.0.Zverify  axisui.user.Zisactive
>
> netXin1   jogaxisget.0.Xin1   pin_your_external_button_X
> netYin1   jogaxisget.0.Yin1   pin_your_external_button_Y
> netZin1   jogaxisget.0.Zin1   pin_your_external_button_Z
>
> 
>
>
>


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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:

> Who is the sheriff?
>
I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if there is a 
designated sheriff. 

> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
[...]
> > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list
> > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > non-event", is
> >
> > appropriate.
> >
> > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you

No Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 


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Re: [Emc-users] AXIS UI Jog Button

[nkp]

sorry for the brevity - language barrier



> > axis
> >
> > flag = 0

And what do these two lines do?


line flag = 0

this line should be added to the file  /usr/bin/axis (if RIP version - 
bin/axis )


=
> it?  What does it do?  Does it work with external jog buttons?

yes, all this code is exactly for this (including code  .axisrc and axis)


loadrt jogaxisget
addf jogaxisget.0   servo-thread

netactiveX jogaxisget.0.activeX   axisui.user.activeX
netactiveY jogaxisget.0.activeY   axisui.user.activeY
netactiveZ jogaxisget.0.activeZ   axisui.user.activeZ

netaxis:0:kb   jogaxisget.0.Xin0   axis.0.kb-jog-active
netaxis:1:kb   jogaxisget.0.Yin0   axis.1.kb-jog-active
netaxis:2:kb   jogaxisget.0.Zin0   axis.2.kb-jog-active

netXisactive jogaxisget.0.Xverify  axisui.user.Xisactive
netYisactive jogaxisget.0.Yverify  axisui.user.Yisactive
netZisactive jogaxisget.0.Zverify  axisui.user.Zisactive

netXin1   jogaxisget.0.Xin1   pin_your_external_button_X
netYin1   jogaxisget.0.Yin1   pin_your_external_button_Y
netZin1   jogaxisget.0.Zin1   pin_your_external_button_Z






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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Stuart Stevenson]

Who is the sheriff?

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > WOW - I missed it all!
> > My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
> > emails until we returned.
> > Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> > obligation to comment.
> > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has been
> > doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> appropriate.
>
> it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[fxkl47BF via Emc-users]

On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson  
wrote:

> WOW - I missed it all!
> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
> emails until we returned.
> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> obligation to comment.
> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has been
> doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is appropriate.

it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you



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Re: [Emc-users] AXIS UI Jog Button

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 17 July 2021 01:18:45 nkp wrote:

And left out the howto, so can you clarify please?

> jogaxisget.comp:
> // sudo halcompile --install jogaxisget.comp
> component jogaxisget "determines which axis jogging";
>
> pin in bit Xin0 "axis.0.kb-jog-active";
> pin in bit Xin1;
>
> pin in bit Yin0 "axis.1.kb-jog-active";
> pin in bit Yin1;
>
> pin in bit Zin0 "axis.2.kb-jog-active";
> pin in bit Zin1;
>
> pin out bit Xtrigger  ;
> pin out bit Ytrigger  ;
> pin out bit Ztrigger  ;
>
> pin out bit activeX ;
> pin out bit activeY ;
> pin out bit activeZ ;
>
>
> pin in bit Xverify =FALSE "axisui.Xisactive";
> pin in bit Yverify =FALSE "axisui.Yisactive";
> pin in bit Zverify =FALSE "axisui.Zisactive";
>
>
> variable hal_bit_t  prev_Xtrigger = FALSE;
> variable hal_bit_t  prev_Ytrigger = FALSE;
> variable hal_bit_t  prev_Ztrigger = FALSE;
>
> license "GPL";
> function _;
> ;;
> FUNCTION(_) {
>
>  if (( Xin0 && !Xin1 ) || ( Xin1 && !Xin0 )) {/* XOR2 axisX */
>  Xtrigger = 1;
>  } else {
>  Xtrigger = 0;
>  }
>
>  if (( Yin0 && !Yin1 ) || ( Yin1 && !Yin0 )) {/* XOR2 axisY */
>  Ytrigger = 1;
>  } else {
>  Ytrigger = 0;
>  }
>
>
>  if (( Zin0 && !Zin1 ) || ( Zin1 && !Zin0 )) {/* XOR2 axisZ */
>  Ztrigger = 1;
>  } else {
>  Ztrigger = 0;
>  }
>
>
>  if(!!Xtrigger != !!prev_Xtrigger) /* Xtrigger has changed */
>  {
>  activeX = 1;
>  if(!!Xverify) {prev_Xtrigger = Xtrigger; activeX = 0;}
>  }
>
>
>  if(!!Ytrigger != !!prev_Ytrigger) /* Ytrigger has changed */
>  {
>  activeY = 1;
>  if(!!Yverify) {prev_Ytrigger = Ytrigger; activeY = 0;}
>  }
>
>
>  if(!!Ztrigger != !!prev_Ztrigger) /* Ztrigger has changed */
>  {
>  activeZ = 1;
>  if(!!Zverify) {prev_Ztrigger = Ztrigger; activeZ = 0;}
>  }
>
> }
> ##
>
>
Where does this go, and how do we call it?
>
> .axisrc
>
>
> if hal_present == 1 :
>  ucomp = hal.component("axisui.user")
>
>  ucomp.newpin("activeX",hal.HAL_BIT,hal.HAL_IN)
>  ucomp.newpin("activeY",hal.HAL_BIT,hal.HAL_IN)
>  ucomp.newpin("activeZ",hal.HAL_BIT,hal.HAL_IN)
>
>  ucomp.newpin("Xisactive",hal.HAL_BIT,hal.HAL_IN)
>  ucomp.newpin("Yisactive",hal.HAL_BIT,hal.HAL_IN)
>  ucomp.newpin("Zisactive",hal.HAL_BIT,hal.HAL_IN)
>
>  ucomp.ready()
>
> def fun(pin,act):
>  global flag
>  if pin:
>  if flag :
>  flag = 0
>  try:
>  act()
>  except:
>  print "except flag = ", flag
>  else:
>  flag = 1
>
>
>
> def activate_axisX():
>  print "activate_axisX"
>  activate_axis(0)
>
>
> def activate_axisY():
>  print "activate_axisY"
>  activate_axis(1)
>
>
> def activate_axisZ():
>  print "activate_axisZ"
>  activate_axis(2)
>
>
> def user_live_update():
>
>  if "xyzabcuvw".index(vars.current_axis.get())!=0:
>  fun(ucomp["activeX"],activate_axisX)
>  if "xyzabcuvw".index(vars.current_axis.get())!=1:
>  fun(ucomp["activeY"],activate_axisY)
>  if "xyzabcuvw".index(vars.current_axis.get())!=2:
>  fun(ucomp["activeZ"],activate_axisZ)
>
>
>  if "xyzabcuvw".index(vars.current_axis.get())==0:
>  ucomp["Xisactive"] = 1
>  ucomp["Yisactive"] = 0
>  ucomp["Zisactive"] = 0
>  if "xyzabcuvw".index(vars.current_axis.get())==1:
>  ucomp["Xisactive"] = 0
>  ucomp["Yisactive"] = 1
>  ucomp["Zisactive"] = 0
>  if "xyzabcuvw".index(vars.current_axis.get())==2:
>  ucomp["Xisactive"] = 0
>  ucomp["Yisactive"] = 0
>  ucomp["Zisactive"] = 1
>
>
> #
> postgui.hal
>
>
> loadrt jogaxisget
works
> addf jogaxisget.0   servo-thread
works added to job thread, a slower thread than servo
but without the .axisrc, these below aren't found and are all # out>
> netactiveX jogaxisget.0.activeX   axisui.user.activeX
> netactiveY jogaxisget.0.activeY   axisui.user.activeY
> netactiveZ jogaxisget.0.activeZ   axisui.user.activeZ
>
> netaxis:0:kb   jogaxisget.0.Xin0   axis.0.kb-jog-active
> netaxis:1:kb   jogaxisget.0.Yin0   axis.1.kb-jog-active
> netaxis:2:kb   jogaxisget.0.Zin0   axis.2.kb-jog-active
>
> netXisactive jogaxisget.0.Xverify  axisui.user.Xisactive
> netYisactive jogaxisget.0.Yverify  axisui.user.Yisactive
> netZisactive jogaxisget.0.Zverify  axisui.user.Zisactive
>
>
>
> 
> axis
>
> flag = 0

Do these last two lines above belong in postgui.hal?

> 17.07.2021 02:59, John Dammeyer пишет:
>  Yes.  Keyboard and click on radio button both change so the Tool
>  buttons refer to the correct axis.  But Pendants don't seem to
>  have that feature. John
> >>>
> >>> If a USB (or in this case a Ps/2) keyboard can do it, then
> >>> somewhere in 

Re: [Emc-users] AXIS UI Jog Button

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 17 July 2021 03:04:30 John Dammeyer wrote:

> nkp216,
> Could you perhaps write up a short description of what the
> jogaxisget.com all means?   Does this already exist?  Did you write
> it?  What does it do?  Does it work with external jog buttons?
>
> Thanks
> John
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: nkp [mailto:nkp...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: July-16-21 10:19 PM
> > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] AXIS UI Jog Button
> >
> > jogaxisget.comp:
> > // sudo halcompile --install jogaxisget.comp
> > component jogaxisget "determines which axis jogging";
> >
Good question John.  I have this incorporated in my postgui.hal
where it is loadrt'd and addf'd to jog-thread, see below

> > pin in bit Xin0 "axis.0.kb-jog-active";
> > pin in bit Xin1;
> >
> > pin in bit Yin0 "axis.1.kb-jog-active";
> > pin in bit Yin1;
> >
> > pin in bit Zin0 "axis.2.kb-jog-active";
> > pin in bit Zin1;
> >
> > pin out bit Xtrigger  ;
> > pin out bit Ytrigger  ;
> > pin out bit Ztrigger  ;
> >
> > pin out bit activeX ;
> > pin out bit activeY ;
> > pin out bit activeZ ;
> >
> >
> > pin in bit Xverify =FALSE "axisui.Xisactive";
> > pin in bit Yverify =FALSE "axisui.Yisactive";
> > pin in bit Zverify =FALSE "axisui.Zisactive";
> >
> >
> > variable hal_bit_t  prev_Xtrigger = FALSE;
> > variable hal_bit_t  prev_Ytrigger = FALSE;
> > variable hal_bit_t  prev_Ztrigger = FALSE;
> >
> > license "GPL";
> > function _;
> > ;;
> > FUNCTION(_) {
> >
> >  if (( Xin0 && !Xin1 ) || ( Xin1 && !Xin0 )) {/* XOR2 axisX */
> >  Xtrigger = 1;
> >  } else {
> >  Xtrigger = 0;
> >  }
> >
> >  if (( Yin0 && !Yin1 ) || ( Yin1 && !Yin0 )) {/* XOR2 axisY */
> >  Ytrigger = 1;
> >  } else {
> >  Ytrigger = 0;
> >  }
> >
> >
> >  if (( Zin0 && !Zin1 ) || ( Zin1 && !Zin0 )) {/* XOR2 axisZ */
> >  Ztrigger = 1;
> >  } else {
> >  Ztrigger = 0;
> >  }
> >
> >
> >  if(!!Xtrigger != !!prev_Xtrigger) /* Xtrigger has changed */
> >  {
> >  activeX = 1;
> >  if(!!Xverify) {prev_Xtrigger = Xtrigger; activeX = 0;}
> >  }
> >
> >
> >  if(!!Ytrigger != !!prev_Ytrigger) /* Ytrigger has changed */
> >  {
> >  activeY = 1;
> >  if(!!Yverify) {prev_Ytrigger = Ytrigger; activeY = 0;}
> >  }
> >
> >
> >  if(!!Ztrigger != !!prev_Ztrigger) /* Ztrigger has changed */
> >  {
> >  activeZ = 1;
> >  if(!!Zverify) {prev_Ztrigger = Ztrigger; activeZ = 0;}
> >  }
> >
> > }
> > ##
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .axisrc
> >
> >
> > if hal_present == 1 :
> >  ucomp = hal.component("axisui.user")
> >
> >  ucomp.newpin("activeX",hal.HAL_BIT,hal.HAL_IN)
> >  ucomp.newpin("activeY",hal.HAL_BIT,hal.HAL_IN)
> >  ucomp.newpin("activeZ",hal.HAL_BIT,hal.HAL_IN)
> >
> >  ucomp.newpin("Xisactive",hal.HAL_BIT,hal.HAL_IN)
> >  ucomp.newpin("Yisactive",hal.HAL_BIT,hal.HAL_IN)
> >  ucomp.newpin("Zisactive",hal.HAL_BIT,hal.HAL_IN)
> >
> >  ucomp.ready()
> >
> > def fun(pin,act):
> >  global flag
> >  if pin:
> >  if flag :
> >  flag = 0
> >  try:
> >  act()
> >  except:
> >  print "except flag = ", flag
> >  else:
> >  flag = 1
> >
> >
> >
> > def activate_axisX():
> >  print "activate_axisX"
> >  activate_axis(0)
> >
> >
> > def activate_axisY():
> >  print "activate_axisY"
> >  activate_axis(1)
> >
> >
> > def activate_axisZ():
> >  print "activate_axisZ"
> >  activate_axis(2)
> >
> >
> > def user_live_update():
> >
> >  if "xyzabcuvw".index(vars.current_axis.get())!=0:
> >  fun(ucomp["activeX"],activate_axisX)
> >  if "xyzabcuvw".index(vars.current_axis.get())!=1:
> >  fun(ucomp["activeY"],activate_axisY)
> >  if "xyzabcuvw".index(vars.current_axis.get())!=2:
> >  fun(ucomp["activeZ"],activate_axisZ)
> >
> >
> >  if "xyzabcuvw".index(vars.current_axis.get())==0:
> >  ucomp["Xisactive"] = 1
> >  ucomp["Yisactive"] = 0
> >  ucomp["Zisactive"] = 0
> >  if "xyzabcuvw".index(vars.current_axis.get())==1:
> >  ucomp["Xisactive"] = 0
> >  ucomp["Yisactive"] = 1
> >  ucomp["Zisactive"] = 0
> >  if "xyzabcuvw".index(vars.current_axis.get())==2:
> >  ucomp["Xisactive"] = 0
> >  ucomp["Yisactive"] = 0
> >  ucomp["Zisactive"] = 1
> >
> >
> > #
> > postgui.hal
> >
> >
> > loadrt jogaxisget
> > addf jogaxisget.0   servo-thread
> >
but all this below is commented out, I think because .axisrc is not being 
used, and an strace to locate where it might be looking for it, comes up 
without a hit, so these pins are never created. So, how do I go about 
bringing .axisrc into the picture?

> > netactiveX jogaxisget.0.activeX   axisui.user.activeX
> > netactiveY 

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Mark]

So, everything is just wonderful and comes up roses if you like and 
agree with everything that was included in this CoC.  And if anyone 
disagrees with some of the inclusions, they're just being stupid.  Yeah, 
that's one way to run a listserv.



Mark

On 7/17/21 2:04 PM, Chris Albertson wrote:

Yes, I just stumbled on this too.   What pointless junk.  Whoever maintains
a list can have whatever rules he likes.  Mostly the rules are "don't be
stupid"  Then some guy complains "But I LIKE being stupid." and others seem
to agree.   Can't they all find a back channel to argue on?

Block the topic on your mail reader, and you will never see it again.   (If
your mail reader can't block topics and senders, get a different mail
reader.)



On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:31 AM Stuart Stevenson  wrote:


WOW - I missed it all!

My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
emails until we returned.

Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
obligation to comment.




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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 18 July 2021 05:38:22 Peter Blodow wrote:

> Nikolaus:
>
> Aurea prima sata est aetas,
> quae vindice nullo,
> sponte sua,
> sine lege
> fidem rectumque colebat.
>
> (Publius Ovidius Naso, Metamorphoses)
>
> *This was the Golden Age that, **
> **without coercion, **
> **without laws, **
> **spontaneously nurtured **
> **the good and the true.*
>
>
> Let's try to get back to the Golden Age!
> Peter

+100 Peter.

> Am 18.07.2021 um 10:07 schrieb Dr. Nikolaus Klepp:
> > Oh yes ... and to not disturb the policemen any more I asked for my
> > forum account to be deleted (which thankfully was done) and
> > unsubscribe from the lists. Let the policemen guide your steps, the
> > community will definitly prosper!
> >
> > Nik
> >
> > Anno domini 2021 Sat, 17 Jul 22:43:30 -0600
> >   R C scripsit:
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 17 July 2021 13:28:33 Stuart Stevenson wrote:

> WOW - I missed it all!
>
Stuart , PM incuded because the list seems to be abandoned by the major 
responders.

You missed what should have been a tempest in a teapot. That CoC was 
apparently done without a prior annuncement, by Jeff Epler. It generated 
quite a bit of blowback as you've read by now.

And now the exodus has begub with the leaving of Dr Klepp.

> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't
> check emails until we returned.
>
> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> obligation to comment.
>
> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has
> been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> appropriate.
>
> I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the work to
> develop the COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.

> I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it will be a
> thankless job. Even more thankless than general development. :)
>
> It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less interesting than
> the maytag repairman job.

So do I, but Jeff has since posted that rule is not that important for 
this list.

"I see a number of reasonable folks here concerned about how this rule
would be interpreted and applied, and I don't mind seeing it removed."

I /think/ he was refering to one specific rule.

> thank you Jeff for your attention and work
>
> Stuart
>
> I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a project. He
> is thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his thought
> pattern.
>
> :)
>
> My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a democratic vote
> would fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one hundred
> people walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed on
> what to eat and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone
> needs to eat. Not pleasant.

All too true.

> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt  
wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh  wrote:
> > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark  wrote:
> > > > Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
> > > > division and strife
> > >
> > > No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's
> >
> > intention.
> >
> > > --
> > > atp
> >
> > It may not have been his intention but it certainly has turned the
> > group into just that.
> >
> > Mark

No Cheers today, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Peter Blodow]

Nikolaus:

Aurea prima sata est aetas,
quae vindice nullo,
sponte sua,
sine lege
fidem rectumque colebat.

(Publius Ovidius Naso, Metamorphoses)

*This was the Golden Age that, **
**without coercion, **
**without laws, **
**spontaneously nurtured **
**the good and the true.*


Let's try to get back to the Golden Age!
Peter


Am 18.07.2021 um 10:07 schrieb Dr. Nikolaus Klepp:

Oh yes ... and to not disturb the policemen any more I asked for my forum 
account to be deleted (which thankfully was done) and unsubscribe from the 
lists. Let the policemen guide your steps, the community will definitly prosper!

Nik

Anno domini 2021 Sat, 17 Jul 22:43:30 -0600
  R C scripsit:




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[Dr. Nikolaus Klepp]

Oh yes ... and to not disturb the policemen any more I asked for my forum 
account to be deleted (which thankfully was done) and unsubscribe from the 
lists. Let the policemen guide your steps, the community will definitly prosper!

Nik

Anno domini 2021 Sat, 17 Jul 22:43:30 -0600
 R C scripsit:
> Oh come on, don't be so negative, this CoC thing is not really a bad 
> thing,  that is what I think by now ..   it is starting to look like it 
> is working after a few weeks.
> 
> 
> I have been included in some "spin of's" from threads that die out on 
> the list itself, or didn't even make it there, and some EMC users 
> amongst themselves keep chatting outside the list, in sort of a EMC sub 
> CC-list, directly.
> 
> 
> Maybe that is just the noise the CoC wants to get rid of to begin with, 
> right?  who wants that?  right? the general 
> CNC/maching/tips/ovrbearing-help  I even was included in a few threads 
> in EMC topics, I didn't even see on the mailing list. as in "hey did you 
> see this?"  "check this out",   etc...
> 
> That is a good thing,  that way no one gets offended by seeing a mailing 
> list topic they didn't expect,  without a trigger warning,  or sees 
> unexpected CNC topics they are not interested in. It is really cool to 
> see how considerate a bunch of people have become in no time,  by not to 
> just include everybody on new cool stuff for no apparent reason.
> 
> I think it's a good thing, it looks it is very considerate, that some 
> responsible list members send email to others with subjects starting 
> with "[Emc-user]" (see it?) first  than actual immediately to 
> [Emc-users] list,  that way no one gets offende or so by unexpected 
> Linux-CNC topics. etc ...
> 
> 
> I think this CoC thing might actually really be on to something,   
> something more.. "refined" more considerate,  more thoughtful ...   ... 
> something I never thought of really ...     like, for example, one 
> should not just include everyone, in some CNC or linuxcnc topic,  
> blattantently assuming they might like it. Since this is a technical, 
> CNC, linuxcnc group,  one should be aware that not everyone in the 
> "linuxcnc" mailing list is interested in every linuxcnc topic...   that 
> would be assumptious, offensive and wrong.   keep it up guys,   I think 
> it is great and really going somewhere!!
> 
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> So yeah   *lolo*   god job
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/17/21 9:31 PM, Scott Harwell via Emc-users wrote:
> >   I prefer the term "Special" to stupid.
> >
> > I'm not "Special" enough to believe that the "COC" will help anything or 
> > anyone.
> > Scott
> >
> >  On Saturday, July 17, 2021, 1:05:37 PM CDT, Chris Albertson 
> >  wrote:
> >   
> >   Yes, I just stumbled on this too.  What pointless junk.  Whoever maintains
> > a list can have whatever rules he likes.  Mostly the rules are "don't be
> > stupid"  Then some guy complains "But I LIKE being stupid." and others seem
> > to agree.  Can't they all find a back channel to argue on?
> >
> > Block the topic on your mail reader, and you will never see it again.  (If
> > your mail reader can't block topics and senders, get a different mail
> > reader.)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:31 AM Stuart Stevenson  wrote:
> >
> >> WOW - I missed it all!
> >>
> >> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
> >> emails until we returned.
> >>
> >> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> >> obligation to comment.
> >>
> 
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