Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-29 Thread Dave
On 7/28/2012 8:52 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 29 July 2012 01:41, Jon Elsonel...@pico-systems.com wrote: I think one of the commercial units either shifts the projector or moves the image with a mirror to get higher resolution. I am really good at inventing stuff. One of these

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-29 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 7/28/2012 8:52 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 29 July 2012 01:41, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: I think one of the commercial units either shifts the projector or moves the image with a mirror to get higher resolution. I am really good at inventing stuff. One of these days I will

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill, a PS

2012-07-29 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 7/29/2012 2:52 PM, Kent A. Reed wrote: On 7/28/2012 8:52 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 29 July 2012 01:41, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: I think one of the commercial units either shifts the projector or moves the image with a mirror to get higher resolution. I am really good at

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-28 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Jon Elson wrote: Not to mention no need for support material. Not true. In fact, that is about the only drawback to the DLP system, is there is no way to make a model with a different (soluble) support material. There are certainly some models that have

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-28 Thread andy pugh
On 28 July 2012 22:59, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: I wonder about using 4 HD projectors or would optical distortion along the edges be a problem? You could move the build platform around above the single projector. (or the projector under the platform) -- atp If you can't fix it,

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-28 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:07 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 28 July 2012 22:59, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: I wonder about using 4 HD projectors or would optical distortion along the edges be a problem? You could move the build platform around above the single projector. (or the

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-28 Thread Jon Elson
Jeshua Lacock wrote: I guess i should have said that it requires less support material since the fluid is there to support the area as it is cured. In other words, each layer is buoyant - unlike the plastic extrusion printers. OK, in a sense, yes. The cured material will be about the

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-28 Thread andy pugh
On 29 July 2012 01:41, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: I think one of the commercial units either shifts the projector or moves the image with a mirror to get higher resolution. I am really good at inventing stuff. One of these days I will invent something for the first time :-)

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-27 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jul 26, 2012, at 10:35 PM, dave wrote: I like the inverted approach. More to the point what is the absorbtion max wavelength for the polymer? In more specific terms what wavelength gives the best polymerization? Curious minds want to know. ;-) To put in simpler terms what emission

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-27 Thread andy pugh
On 27 July 2012 05:09, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: Not to mention no need for support material. I think you do need support, or isolated islands of material will either not be lifted and/or wont get dragged and unstuck. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it.

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-27 Thread Jon Elson
Jeshua Lacock wrote: Yes, I am familiar with the project and DLP printing technology. I did not know about the patent work-around however. Yes, the guys on that group, especially Michael Joyce did a lot of work to deconstruct what the patents did, and didn't cover, so he could be sure to

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-27 Thread Jon Elson
dave wrote: I like the inverted approach. More to the point what is the absorbtion max wavelength for the polymer? In more specific terms what wavelength gives the best polymerization? Curious minds want to know. ;-) To put in simpler terms what emission source is likely to maximize

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-27 Thread a
Hi Jon i want to be sure about how any plastic introduce- ejected from head. Is this continues flow or this is drop by drop of plastic material? i think that when build the border of work-part where accuracy is needed to be drop of material and inside work-part possible continues flow to do

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-27 Thread andy pugh
On 27 July 2012 17:10, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: will have to develop custom electronics, probably using an FPGA, to modulate the laser to produce the raster. Maybe a HAL module? 1024x768x50kHz = 15 seconds per layer. (with scope for efficiences such as short scans) -- atp If

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-27 Thread Jon Elson
a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote: Hi Jon i want to be sure about how any plastic introduce- ejected from head. No, this DLP system works with a vat of liquid resin that is hardened by exposure to light from the projector. There are no drops, printing head or anything like that. The

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-27 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: On 27 July 2012 17:10, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: will have to develop custom electronics, probably using an FPGA, to modulate the laser to produce the raster. Maybe a HAL module? 1024x768x50kHz = 15 seconds per layer. (with scope for efficiences

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-27 Thread Ed Nisley
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 22:04 -0600, Jeshua Lacock wrote: deliver low cost more than anything There's a good reason why the commercial outfits charge what they do (other than that they can). But the resolution of DIY printers is now good enough that second-order stuff like rigidity and control

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-26 Thread Ed Nisley
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 22:19 -0600, Jeshua Lacock wrote: like what for instance? Stabilized build environments, extruders with flow-control valves, improved filament feeders, less rickety mechanics... Basically, all the obvious improvements. [grin] -- Ed http://softsolder.com

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-26 Thread Jon Elson
Jeshua Lacock wrote: I am just curious, like what for instance? I am monitoring a group working on curing liquid resin with light from a DLP computer projector. There are a number of machines working, and a guy has done a kickstarter project that accumulated over $500,000, now he has to

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-26 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jul 26, 2012, at 6:54 AM, Ed Nisley wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 22:19 -0600, Jeshua Lacock wrote: like what for instance? Stabilized build environments, extruders with flow-control valves, improved filament feeders, less rickety mechanics... Basically, all the obvious improvements.

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-26 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jul 26, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Jon Elson wrote: Jeshua Lacock wrote: I am just curious, like what for instance? I am monitoring a group working on curing liquid resin with light from a DLP computer projector. There are a number of machines working, and a guy has done a kickstarter

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-26 Thread dave
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 22:09 -0600, Jeshua Lacock wrote: On Jul 26, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Jon Elson wrote: Jeshua Lacock wrote: I am just curious, like what for instance? I am monitoring a group working on curing liquid resin with light from a DLP computer projector. There are a

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-25 Thread a
Hi I did ask about rapid prototype machine and got helpful directions. I check about reprap technology Those all was close but not what i ask for. I am looking for real - real- rapid prototype. What this means ? 1. rapid prototype should have 2 liquid materials-- main material and support

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-25 Thread andy pugh
On 25 July 2012 08:15, a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote: Those all was close but not what i ask for. I am looking for real - real- rapid prototype. What this means ? It probably means a visit from the Stratasys lawyers. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it.

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-25 Thread Ed Nisley
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 01:15 -0600, a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote: problem with reprap is that their main idea is to make cheap machine -under $ 1000- but not real rapid prototype machine. Although I don't have any inside information, I believe the reason DIY 3D printers have (or don't have)

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-25 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 7/25/2012 8:58 AM, Ed Nisley wrote: As one of my managers put it: You must first decide whether you're designing a waffle iron or a toaster. A man wise beyond his years :-) We seem more in the Saturday Night Live camp: New Shimmer is both a floor wax *and* a dessert topping. Regards, Kent

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 25 July 2012 12:02:11 Kent A. Reed did opine: On 7/25/2012 8:58 AM, Ed Nisley wrote: As one of my managers put it: You must first decide whether you're designing a waffle iron or a toaster. A man wise beyond his years :-) We seem more in the Saturday Night Live camp: New

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-25 Thread a
Although I don't have any inside information, I believe the reason DIY 3D printers have (or don't have) specific features is that most of the original patents remain in effect. Patent in US has only 15 years life. I have US patent personally on my name - not through any company etc. I

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-25 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jul 25, 2012, at 1:15 AM, a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote: Those all was close but not what i ask for. I am looking for real - real- rapid prototype. What this means ? 1. rapid prototype should have 2 liquid materials-- main material and support material. Hi Aram, Actually, the

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-25 Thread Ed Nisley
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 11:14 -0600, a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote: Patent in US has only 15 years life. That is, unfortunately, incorrect, but the right answer isn't easy to figure out: http://www.patentlens.net/daisy/patentlens/2973.html All those patent that you refer are too old and

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-25 Thread a
On 2012-07-25 18:19, Ed Nisley wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 11:14 -0600, a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote: Patent in US has only 15 years life. That is, unfortunately, incorrect, but the right answer isn't easy to figure out: http://www.patentlens.net/daisy/patentlens/2973.html All those

Re: [Emc-users] Rapid Prototype for CNC mill

2012-07-25 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jul 25, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Ed Nisley wrote: All those patent that you refer are too old and antiquated. The earliest 3D printing patents are, indeed, beginning to expire, so I expect to see a bunch of interesting developments in the DIY field. Hi Ed, I am just curious, like what for