Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-25 Thread Simon TRENY
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:21:33 +0100, Laurent Ghigonis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:10:33 +0100, > Simon TRENY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > > There is something I'd like to discuss here although I'm not sure > > it's really the right place to do so.. Since Etk and Ewl have b

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-23 Thread Laurent Ghigonis
Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:10:33 +0100, Simon TRENY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > There is something I'd like to discuss here although I'm not sure it's > really the right place to do so.. Since Etk and Ewl have begun to be > usable enough, there has been a lot of new apps using one of these > too. The t

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-23 Thread Simon TRENY
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:21:40 GMT, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > > > It'd be good to see a real example of this combined use > > > of toolkit-widgets + custom-edje-widgets in an app like "rage" > > > or "entrance" or "elicit" or whatever. > > > > src/bin/ewl_embed_test.

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > It'd be good to see a real example of this combined use > > of toolkit-widgets + custom-edje-widgets in an app like "rage" > > or "entrance" or "elicit" or whatever. > > src/bin/ewl_embed_test.c shows how to do this. It's a simple > application, but it does show how the interaction can w

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-22 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On 3/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now that would be good indeed... What exactly would one need > from ewl or etk for this? > One'd also need to come up with a format for decribing such > gui-interfaces, one that would have the concepts of toolkit widget >

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Simon wrote: > Actually, one thing that could be really cool would be a tool > like Glade, but that would allow us to build interfaces made of > Edje objects and Etk (or Ewl) widgets. For example, for Entrance, > we could have the main interface still be an Edje object but we > could repl

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brian wrote: > I think the sentiment he's trying to get across, which is one > I share, is that there is little point in rewriting a gtk/kde > app in an e widget set if it looks and functions exactly the > same. E.g. using emphasis (or whatever the glade lib is) with > a gnome app's glade

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-22 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On 3/22/07, Peter Parkanyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Which one should one use when they want it to embed the widgets into an edje > interface? Etk or Ewl? Now you're leaving the pseudo-technical discussion and delving into politics. I would advocate EWL and Simon would advocate ETK, this is g

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-22 Thread Peter Parkanyi
On Thursday 22 March 2007 16:36:46 Simon TRENY wrote: > On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:59:02 -0500, > > Brian Mattern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 02:31:57PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Simon writes: > > > > Actually, I see no real point in coding with Etk/Ewl an apli

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-22 Thread Simon TRENY
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:59:02 -0500, Brian Mattern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 02:31:57PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Simon writes: > > > > > Actually, I see no real point in coding with Etk/Ewl an aplication > > > that already exists with Gtk or Qt. It w

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-22 Thread Brian Mattern
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 02:31:57PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Simon writes: > > > Actually, I see no real point in coding with Etk/Ewl an aplication > > that already exists with Gtk or Qt. It would "only" offer more > > consistency with an E desktop, and some eye-candy effects but

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Simon writes: > Yes, you can have additionnal widgets (clocks, rss, whatever, ...) > in loadable libraries. In fact, you can build external widgets > because you have access to all the methods for this in the Etk > headers. Sure. But the questions is really more of wether the too

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-22 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:00:59 +0100 Simon TRENY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:13:35 GMT, > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > > Simon writes: > > > > > > In a slightly different vein.. Is there something like > > > > the equivalent of e17's modul

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-22 Thread Simon TRENY
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:13:35 GMT, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > From Nathan's, Simon's, and Dan's replies, it seems that > both ewl and etk do have mechanisms for allowing app-specific > theme overriding of the toolkit widgets, and in fairly general > ways. Wow. >

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-22 Thread Simon TRENY
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:41:28 -0400, dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > On 21-Mar-07, at 7:10 PM, Simon TRENY wrote: > > In Etk, as in Ewl I think, you can change the theme of a specific > > widget or change globally the theme used by all the widgets. > > About custom widgets, it's indee

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From Nathan's, Simon's, and Dan's replies, it seems that both ewl and etk do have mechanisms for allowing app-specific theme overriding of the toolkit widgets, and in fairly general ways. Wow. So, one could write an app, to start with, that uses only the toolkit themes, and if desi

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-21 Thread dan sinclair
On 21-Mar-07, at 7:10 PM, Simon TRENY wrote: > In Etk, as in Ewl I think, you can change the theme of a specific > widget or change globally the theme used by all the widgets. > About custom widgets, it's indeed possible to build your own widget > directly in the app's code, the only difficulty he

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-21 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:10:33 +0100 Simon TRENY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:37:12 GMT, > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > > There are of course many other aspects of interest, not > > necessarily related to theming, and I wonder if the toolkit > > dev

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-21 Thread Simon TRENY
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:37:12 GMT, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > I'd like to bring up some things about 'e' and gui-toolkits. > I know this has been a source of some friction here before, but > I'd like to be able to discuss various aspects in a serious and > rational w

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-21 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On 3/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd like to bring up some things about 'e' and gui-toolkits. > I know this has been a source of some friction here before, but > I'd like to be able to discuss various aspects in a serious and > rational way.. Hopefully, the toolk

Re: [E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-21 Thread dan sinclair
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I wonder though if one can write apps with e's toolkits > that would allow for 'overriding' the toolkit's theme (with an > app-provided edje goup say), for a given toolkit widget? Also, is it > possible to build 'custom widgets' that can be given app-specific > the

[E-devel] E and gui-toolkits.

2007-03-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd like to bring up some things about 'e' and gui-toolkits. I know this has been a source of some friction here before, but I'd like to be able to discuss various aspects in a serious and rational way.. Hopefully, the toolkit devs themselves will be able to help in this and see areas of i