Re: [e-users] From gadgets to settings (WAS: can't make new launchers in IBAR)

[Larry Wyble]

On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:37:59 +0200
"R. W. Reese" <agua...@openmailbox.org> wrote:

> El 2016-06-05 21:53, Larry Wyble escribió:
> > I understand there are "lots of ways", EXCEPT using the menu system
> > that is built into the desktop. I also have been using E for many
> > years but I wonder why one would have to jump through so many
> > undocumented hoops to get proper basic setup and usability for the
> > piece of software one is trying to use. If the Ibar setup menu
> > choices were not actually meant to act as one would presume, then
> > why add those choices? Why not document all these hoops somewhere
> > where they can be easily found? Don't get me wrong I love
> > Enlightenment, always have. but the desktop seems to be nothing but
> > a testbed for EFL. If Enlightenment desktop is meant to be used by
> > the masses then it should perform as expected when using it's own
> > menu and configuration system. But it doesn't. There are problems
> > all over the desktop that need to be taken care of.
> > 
> > The point was not whether one could get E desktop to do what one
> > wanted, the point was that one couldn't get E desktop to perform
> > these actions through it's own desktop menu/interface system. And
> > many times there is just no way that one can, unless the SECRETS of
> > how to accomplish these feats are known.
> > 
> >   
> 
> I think at least part of the answer lies in the poll some months ago 
> asking for priorities for E21 and E22:
> 
> https://phab.enlightenment.org/V14
> 
> The decision was to focus on fixing gadgets for E21 and cleaning up
> the settings for E22. With E21 soon to be released, the developers
> will turn, or have already turned, to cleaning up the settings.
> 
> I have been a E user for only 2 years, but I understand the
> frustrations that can arise. One of the beauties of E is that it can
> be so completely customized, at times one (from the masses, like me)
> has no idea what changes result from some settings -- or how they may
> interact. I think we will see some improvement with E22 and perhaps
> the production of more complete user documentation. That is something
> in which many of us can and should contribute.

I have in fact, voted in that pole and I will tell you it was a tough
decision.  lol  


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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Larry Wyble]

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:02:57 +1000
Daniel Kasak <d.j.kasak...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To be fair, I think you've subtly changed "the point" from "Can't make
> new launchers in IBAR" to "won't make new launchers in IBAR without
> complaining about it". 

Actually the subject changed through the natural flow of conversation.
And as far as the comment "won't make new launchers in IBAR without
complaining about it". That's a fallacy, as I never once said that in
this conversation.

>You *say* you can't use the "menu system" to
> add an icon to an ibar. But you can alt-right-click ( or right-click
> the title bar of ) any open window and use the "menu system" to add
> the current app to your ibar. There is also a menu item that appears
> in my build titled "+ Contents". That's *TWO* methods which involve
> menu items which do what you want.

I am trying to make an ICON/launcher for a bash script file. Try that
with your methods. And if you can PLEASE let me know how.

> As for documenting this, a) I found this pretty easily by clicking
> around - which is how I assume most Linux users figure out their
> desktop environment ( as opposed to reading some documentation - it's
> really that that hard ), so I'm not totally convinced it needs
> documenting, and b) please document it.
> 
> Further, chill. Hissy fit upon hissy fit, from a non-paying user to a
> mailing list full of volunteers is extremely unbecoming.

> Dan

Dan, I have come on this list over the years with many compliments to
the developers and volunteers for the work they do, in fact I have been
a member of this list since it's inception I believe. I have been a
user of Enlightenment since the early days of E-16. In fact I
expressed my appreciation to the maintainer of E-16 as well as
Terminology not more than 1 or 2 weeks ago on this list. No one is as
appreciative of the work that's done to Enlightenment as I am. There
has been NO "hissy fit upon hissy fit" from me in this list. This is
the first and only negative comment that I have ever made about
enlightenment. It has turned into a longer conversation than I had
expected, I will admit. I have tried to be as gentle as possible in
my expressions as I could because I do understand that this is a lot
of work and is given free to the users, I am no fool. But at the same
time it is very possible to be appreciative and at the same time point
out things that are absolutely frustrating. I admit I shouldn't have
waited til frustration to point out some flaws, I could have been
more subdued I admit. But now that's water under the bridge.

Anyway, Have a nice day.
Larry

 
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Larry Wyble <llwy...@suddenlink.net>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 13:25:53 +1000
> > Daniel Kasak <d.j.kasak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  
> >> Yikes. I just finished telling my 7-year-old that dummy-spits are
> >> not the best way to get people to do what you'd like them to do.
> >>
> >> Anyway ... what you've done is create a .desktop file in
> >> ~/.local/share/applications ... as noted in this thread. Next, you
> >> need to add this to your launcher bar ( ibar ). Hit ALT + ESC
> >> together, then type either the name you gave the app, or the path
> >> to the app. If you don't see your app appear in the filtered list,
> >> your .desktop file has issues. Locate it and figure out what the
> >> issue is. If you *do* see the app, launch it, then CTRL +
> >> right-click it, and select:
> >>
> >> [app name] ( first item in menu ) ==> Add to IBar ==> default ( or
> >> whatever IBar )
> >>
> >> It should now be in your launcher.
> >>
> >> I see now, looking at the right-click menu for IBar, that there is
> >> a "+ Contents" item. Clicking this allows me to browse existing
> >> icons and add them to the IBar.
> >>
> >> Users that have been with E for a while will also know that in
> >> ~/.e/e/applications/bar/default there is a ".order" file that you
> >> can add .desktop file names to. This was the very old way of
> >> adding icons to the IBar.
> >>
> >> There are lots of ways.
> >>
> >> As for the rest of the comments, I've been using various versions
> >> of E for the past 15 years or so. It's always been usable for me -
> >> actually it's always been the *most* usable for me. I also
> >> appreciate the mammoth effort in porting to Wayland - this will
> >> certainly pay off in the long term.
> >>
> >> Dan  
> >
> > I understand there are "lots of ways", EXCEPT using the me

Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Larry Wyble]

On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 13:25:53 +1000
Daniel Kasak <d.j.kasak...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yikes. I just finished telling my 7-year-old that dummy-spits are not
> the best way to get people to do what you'd like them to do.
> 
> Anyway ... what you've done is create a .desktop file in
> ~/.local/share/applications ... as noted in this thread. Next, you
> need to add this to your launcher bar ( ibar ). Hit ALT + ESC
> together, then type either the name you gave the app, or the path to
> the app. If you don't see your app appear in the filtered list, your
> .desktop file has issues. Locate it and figure out what the issue is.
> If you *do* see the app, launch it, then CTRL + right-click it, and
> select:
> 
> [app name] ( first item in menu ) ==> Add to IBar ==> default ( or
> whatever IBar )
> 
> It should now be in your launcher.
> 
> I see now, looking at the right-click menu for IBar, that there is a
> "+ Contents" item. Clicking this allows me to browse existing icons
> and add them to the IBar.
> 
> Users that have been with E for a while will also know that in
> ~/.e/e/applications/bar/default there is a ".order" file that you can
> add .desktop file names to. This was the very old way of adding icons
> to the IBar.
> 
> There are lots of ways.
> 
> As for the rest of the comments, I've been using various versions of E
> for the past 15 years or so. It's always been usable for me - actually
> it's always been the *most* usable for me. I also appreciate the
> mammoth effort in porting to Wayland - this will certainly pay off in
> the long term.
> 
> Dan

I understand there are "lots of ways", EXCEPT using the menu system
that is built into the desktop. I also have been using E for many years
but I wonder why one would have to jump through so many undocumented
hoops to get proper basic setup and usability for the piece of
software one is trying to use. If the Ibar setup menu choices were not
actually meant to act as one would presume, then why add those
choices? Why not document all these hoops somewhere where they can be
easily found? Don't get me wrong I love Enlightenment, always have. but
the desktop seems to be nothing but a testbed for EFL. If Enlightenment
desktop is meant to be used by the masses then it should perform as
expected when using it's own menu and configuration system. But it
doesn't. There are problems all over the desktop that need to be taken
care of. 

The point was not whether one could get E desktop to do what one
wanted, the point was that one couldn't get E desktop to perform these
actions through it's own desktop menu/interface system. And many times
there is just no way that one can, unless the SECRETS of how to
accomplish these feats are known. 


> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Larry Wyble <llwy...@suddenlink.net>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:32:05 -0700
> > Eric <eri...@cox.net> wrote:
> >  
> >> On 06/03/2016 04:03 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:  
> >> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
> >> > Eric <eri...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >  
> >>  
> >> >>
> >> >> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create
> >> >> the launcher, what application you are trying to launch and
> >> >> what errors you are receiving?
> >> >>
> >> >> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Eric  
> >> >
> >> > Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new
> >> > icon > then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name,
> >> > application, then click icon and enter the icon name, them click
> >> > apply and close and nothing happens. It's like typing into
> >> > nothing and hoping that nothing actually does something for you.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for replying
> >> >
> >> >  
> >> That way is not working for me also but it does create a desktop
> >> file in the ~/.local/share/applications directory.
> >>
> >> Can you see if the entry is located there?  If it is, try and drag
> >> it from the file manager to the ibar between some of the other
> >> application icons that are already there.
> >>
> >> I hope this works for you,
> >>
> >> kind regards,
> >>
> >> Eric  
> >
> > Thanks Eric, but I think Jerry rigging is not the way this is
> > supposed to work. This should be working properly by using the
> > menus and apps built into Enlightenment, not by working around the

Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Larry Wyble]

On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:32:05 -0700
Eric <eri...@cox.net> wrote:

> On 06/03/2016 04:03 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
> > Eric <eri...@cox.net> wrote:
> >  
> 
> >>
> >> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create the
> >> launcher, what application you are trying to launch and what errors
> >> you are receiving?
> >>
> >> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Eric  
> >
> > Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new icon >
> > then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name, application,
> > then click icon and enter the icon name, them click apply and close
> > and nothing happens. It's like typing into nothing and hoping that
> > nothing actually does something for you.
> >
> > Thanks for replying
> >
> >  
> That way is not working for me also but it does create a desktop file
> in the ~/.local/share/applications directory.
> 
> Can you see if the entry is located there?  If it is, try and drag it 
> from the file manager to the ibar between some of the other
> application icons that are already there.
> 
> I hope this works for you,
> 
> kind regards,
> 
> Eric

Thanks Eric, but I think Jerry rigging is not the way this is supposed
to work. This should be working properly by using the menus and apps
built into Enlightenment, not by working around the designed
operation. This is supposed to be Basic usability and it's not. It's
ignored for the sake of NON-usability, IOW; Wayland.  Wayland is much
more important than being able to use the desktop. 

Appreciate your replying to this.
Larry  


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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Larry Wyble]

On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
Eric <eri...@cox.net> wrote:

> On 06/03/2016 03:27 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
> >
> > No matter what I do in the ibar I can't make new application
> > launchers/icons in the ibar. I put in the name, the icon name,
> > the executable name, hit apply and then exit and nothing
> > happens.  What do I have to do to make new app launchers on
> > the ibar??  This shouldn't be this hard. This has been this way for
> > multiple versions and never fixed or EXPLAINED  in this
> > mailing list. Why? What the hell does it take to get this so a
> > regular user can set up a proper desktop the way they want it? What
> > use is the menu items "ibar > create new icon"?
> > I have even made my own .desktop files to try to get the launchers
> > on the ibar but enlightenment won't pick them up out of the
> > directory.
> >
> > Also I have tried for the last 3 versions to get help with my volume
> > keys on the keyboard but so far no one has bothered to answer my
> > questions on that.
> >
> > This is supposed to be the enlightenment mailing list where help is
> > supposed to be available but so far, even with the developer being
> > on this list, I have yet to get any help with this desktop. I just
> > continue to upgrade with each version that comes out hoping that
> > something changes and improves but nothing changes or improves,
> > just the same old problems, same old bugs, same old crap. This
> > would be a great desktop if it worked properly but it seems the
> > only things that are important is getting Wayland working. Yeah
> > buddy let's work on wayland and screw the rest of the desktop.
> >
> > Here's what we got for the last upgrade announcement:
> >
> > HIGHLIGHTS
> >* Greatly improved Wayland support
> >* New gadget infrastructure
> >* Wizard improvements
> >* Video backgrounds
> >
> > CHANGES SINCE BETA
> >* Wayland DMA buffer support
> >* Wayland session recovery
> >* New DRM subsystem
> >* Various crash fixes/additions
> >
> > 50%  Wayland announcements, which really doesn't make a tinkers
> > damn in the usability of the Enlightenment desktop. 50% Wayland and
> > the rest of the upgrades don't make another tinker's damn, DRM
> > subsystem, no help, Gadgets improvements, no help, Wizard
> > improvements, what's that? Video backgrounds, no help.
> > Let's fix the basic usability of the desktop.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I know, I'm an asshole. But after years and years of trying to
> > use something that is a major fail and trying and trying to get help
> > and seeing another fail, I'm at the point where I'm truly
> > frustrated. Yeah, I know, it's free and so do you and since this
> > has been distributed free for so long I come to the conclusion that
> > you may want to know what a normal, loyal user's impression is of
> > the desktop. I have been using Enlightenment since before E17 and I
> > have upgraded every version since and I have always ended up going
> > back to e16, But I'm at the point where I have to leave E16 because
> > Terminology doesn't work properly with E16 now because of
> > terminology looking for some crap that E16 doesn't have. I get
> > errors and can't start it in full screen mode.
> >
> > Well, you can kick me off the mailing list and scream profanities at
> > me now and tell me what an asshole I am for expressing my opinions.
> > But that's life in the slow lane.
> > Thanks
> >  
> 
> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create the 
> launcher, what application you are trying to launch and what errors
> you are receiving?
> 
> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Eric

Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new icon >
then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name, application, then
click icon and enter the icon name, them click apply and close and
nothing happens. It's like typing into nothing and hoping that nothing
actually does something for you.

Thanks for replying




 
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[e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Larry Wyble]

No matter what I do in the ibar I can't make new application
launchers/icons in the ibar. I put in the name, the icon name,
the executable name, hit apply and then exit and nothing
happens.  What do I have to do to make new app launchers on 
the ibar??  This shouldn't be this hard. This has been this way for
multiple versions and never fixed or EXPLAINED  in this mailing
list. Why? What the hell does it take to get this so a regular user can
set up a proper desktop the way they want it? What use is the menu
items "ibar > create new icon"?
I have even made my own .desktop files to try to get the launchers on
the ibar but enlightenment won't pick them up out of the directory.

Also I have tried for the last 3 versions to get help with my volume
keys on the keyboard but so far no one has bothered to answer my
questions on that. 

This is supposed to be the enlightenment mailing list where help is
supposed to be available but so far, even with the developer being on
this list, I have yet to get any help with this desktop. I just continue
to upgrade with each version that comes out hoping that something
changes and improves but nothing changes or improves, just the same old
problems, same old bugs, same old crap. This would be a great desktop
if it worked properly but it seems the only things that are important
is getting Wayland working. Yeah buddy let's work on wayland and screw
the rest of the desktop. 

Here's what we got for the last upgrade announcement:

HIGHLIGHTS
  * Greatly improved Wayland support
  * New gadget infrastructure
  * Wizard improvements
  * Video backgrounds

CHANGES SINCE BETA
  * Wayland DMA buffer support
  * Wayland session recovery
  * New DRM subsystem
  * Various crash fixes/additions

50%  Wayland announcements, which really doesn't make a tinkers damn in
the usability of the Enlightenment desktop. 50% Wayland and the rest
of the upgrades don't make another tinker's damn, DRM subsystem, no
help, Gadgets improvements, no help, Wizard improvements, what's that?
Video backgrounds, no help. 
Let's fix the basic usability of the desktop.


Yeah, I know, I'm an asshole. But after years and years of trying to
use something that is a major fail and trying and trying to get help
and seeing another fail, I'm at the point where I'm truly frustrated.
Yeah, I know, it's free and so do you and since this has been
distributed free for so long I come to the conclusion that you may want
to know what a normal, loyal user's impression is of the desktop.
I have been using Enlightenment since before E17 and I have upgraded
every version since and I have always ended up going back to e16, But
I'm at the point where I have to leave E16 because Terminology doesn't
work properly with E16 now because of terminology looking for some
crap that E16 doesn't have. I get errors and can't start it in full
screen mode.

Well, you can kick me off the mailing list and scream profanities at
me now and tell me what an asshole I am for expressing my opinions.
But that's life in the slow lane.
Thanks
 

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[e-users] Still having the same problem with sound

[Larry Wyble]

In Enlightenment-0.21.0-rc

I'm still having the same problem with the keyboard volume keys on the
keyboard operating all the mixer controls ie:
 < Master >Headphon   PCM Front   Front Mi Front Mi Surround Center 
etc
instead of just the Master Volume. Is there no way to solve this?

Thanks


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[e-users] got an oops with terminology

[Larry Wyble]

What's this error all about? And how to fix it?

ERR<15515>:elementary elm_sys_notify_dbus.c:342 _name_owner_get_cb()
Eldbus Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner Could not get
owner of name 'org.freedesktop.Notifications': no such name


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Re: [e-users] Key control - VOLUME

[Larry Wyble]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 22:38:11 +0100
Mick <michaelkintz...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday 15 May 2016 15:24:40 Larry Wyble wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 May 2016 19:21:39 +0100
> > 
> > Mick <michaelkintz...@gmail.com> wrote:  
> > > On Sunday 15 May 2016 10:05:32 Larry Wyble wrote:  
> > > > I find that when I use the volume keys to increase or decrease
> > > > volume the action not only changes volume but everything across
> > > > the board:
> > > > 
> > > > Master  Headphon<  PCM   > Front   Front Mi Front Mi Surround
> > > > CenterLFE  Side Line
> > > > 
> > > > all those are controlled by the volume key on my keyboard. Is
> > > > there some place that I can change this??
> > > > 
> > > > I tried making a new keyboard shortcut with
> > > > amixer -- sset Master Playback 2+  
> > > 
> > > Use pulse or the audio mixer module provided by e20.  Click on
> > > Mixer tab and while the sound source is playing adjust Playback
> > > and/or the corresponding Output.  
> > 
> > So what you're saying is I can't use the keyboard volume control
> > with E-20, is that right?  
> 
> No, sorry, I'm not saying that.  I don't know how your keyboard
> volume control can be configured, only suggested that instead of the
> amixer ncurses you should/could use the e20 mixer widget.  I hope
> someone else can offer advice on keyboard control.
> 

So, no remedy for this???

Thanks

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Re: [e-users] Key control - VOLUME

[Larry Wyble]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 19:21:39 +0100
Mick <michaelkintz...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday 15 May 2016 10:05:32 Larry Wyble wrote:
> > I find that when I use the volume keys to increase or decrease
> > volume the action not only changes volume but everything across the
> > board:
> > 
> > Master  Headphon<  PCM   > Front   Front Mi Front Mi Surround
> > CenterLFE  Side Line
> > 
> > all those are controlled by the volume key on my keyboard. Is there
> > some place that I can change this??
> > 
> > I tried making a new keyboard shortcut with
> > amixer -- sset Master Playback 2+  
> 
> Use pulse or the audio mixer module provided by e20.  Click on Mixer
> tab and while the sound source is playing adjust Playback and/or the
> corresponding Output.

So what you're saying is I can't use the keyboard volume control with
E-20, is that right?


> 
> > But it made no difference at all. I can't find where this is
> > controlled from.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
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Re: [e-users] Key control - VOLUME

[Larry Wyble]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 10:05:32 -0500
Larry Wyble <llwy...@suddenlink.net> wrote:

> Key control  - VOLUME

Sorry that last email was for E-20  :)

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[e-users] Key control - VOLUME

[Larry Wyble]

I find that when I use the volume keys to increase or decrease volume
the action not only changes volume but everything across the board:

Master  Headphon<  PCM   > Front   Front Mi Front Mi Surround
CenterLFE  Side Line

all those are controlled by the volume key on my keyboard. Is there
some place that I can change this??

I tried making a new keyboard shortcut with 
amixer -- sset Master Playback 2+

But it made no difference at all. I can't find where this is controlled
from.

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[e-users] E-16

[Larry Wyble]

Whoever is maintaining E-16, THANKS.
I have been using this for about 2 years now and it is solid as a rock.
I used some other window manager for years but it got to where no one
took care of it any more and I finally had to move on. I tried E17,
E-18, E-19 and whatever the last one is E-20 or 21, I don't know, but I
always install the newest efl and Enlightenment and try it out but
nothing is as solid as E-16. I guess I don't really need all the fancy
stuff.  :)
Anyway whoever maintains E-16 Thanks again. Oh and Terminology too,
it's the best.

Larry

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[e-users] Volume control - keyboard

[Larry Wyble]

Where can I adjust the steps of the keyboard volume controls. I use the
Built in XF86AudioRaiseVolume but I can't find where it calls the
actual steps to increase volume. The way it is set, it is too course.
Like one press of the volume up key increases the volume way too high,
I would like to have a finer control of the volume.

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Re: [e-users] E, xscreensaver, and memory issues

[Larry Wyble]

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 10:42:35 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)  wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 08:10:45 -0500 Conrad Knight
>  said:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I wrote a while back about an apparent memory leak while running
> > Enlightenment, but only have time to look into it every few weeks.
> > Here is something I've found...
> > 
> > The run-away memory usage only occurs while xscreensaver is running,
> > and then not every time. I figured it might have to do with specific
> > modes of the screensaver (i have it set to cycle through them
> > randomly). A few quick tests found one that reliably causes memory
> > usage to spike, "zoom", the last hack (in xscreensaver parlance) in
> > the list for the random selections.
> > 
> > These "hacks" can also be run manually without the xscreensaver
> > executable, and i was able to verify that "zoom" run by itself in a
> > window very quickly caused the memory problem. I had to switch to a
> > text virtual terminal to kill the process. Even after this, "ps"
> > shows that enlightenment continues to use over 40% of my system's
> > memory.  
> 
> so THAT is useful info. it's caused by xscreensaver.
> 
> first advice - stop using it. i haven't used it for like 15 years. its
> pointless chewing up your cpu (and gpu) while you are NOT THERE. it
> just eats power, damages our environment (by causing more energy use
> and thus attendant fossil fuel usage to generate it - in general. yes
> we can get into "but my power mostly comes from renewables" but then
> it'd help unload that and lower investment costs) ... and it costs
> money.


ROFLMAO  ..  My thoughts exactly.  (;


> screensavers are a hold-over from the days where monitors couldn't
> shut off - if you displayed the same thing for a long time it'd burn
> the image in. then monitors were able to actually power down later
> saving power. a black screen still used power. it hasnt needed to use
> power for like 2 decades now.
> 
> so stop using screensavers. you're not there.
> 
> now i'm done with that rant ... the issue is one of events.
> 
> http://devs.enlightenment.org/~raster/massif-out.txt
> 
> put that through massif visualizer and see. the issue is partly that
> xlib itself uses huge amounts of ram to buffer incoming event info -
> specifically region info then ecore puts this region info on its own
> event queue and uses yet more ram.
> 
> so let's look at this in more detail. zoom actually uses really low
> level draws
> - like drawing individual points or tiny regions. every one of these
> draws causes an update (damage) event from x and we store the tine
> region - i haven't looked but i think they are on the magnitude of
> 1x1 pixel or so. and its generating millions and millions of these
> every second. just to remember that little rect consumes somewhere
> like ~16 bytes of memory or more. so imagine like 10, 20, 30 million
> bytes.. or 10-30mb per second are easily being eaten up to store all
> of these.
> 
> at least what i see under valgrind and just running plain.. e can't
> keep up with the MASSIVE flood of incoming tiny damage regions and is
> basically spending all it's time dealing with this, never going idle.
> it's a horrible situation that basically never happens normally
> except for these patholigical apps that want to draw pixel-by-pixel
> with "old school 2d x11 draw primitves".
> 
> so ok - this is a nasty client when it comes to compositing in the
> way it draws. xorg doesnt seem to try and do any damage region
> "merging" inside, so the compositor has to deal with it all and
> that's just a tough thing to do. 
> 
> but this does seem to point out a few little issues that wouldn't
> normally turn up. i'll poke into some of them. but for now - just
> stop using xscreensaver. this os likely one of those things that will
> go away as we eventually move to wayland .. as it just wont exist
> anymore. :)
> 
> > I can kind of see why the memory usage of a badly behaving program
> > (or is it my video driver?) would show up as being used by
> > enlightenment instead -- enlightenment has to actually display the
> > pretty graphics on the screen. But why, after the process has been
> > killed, is this memory not freed? And is there perhaps a compile
> > option for E (or xscreensaver, for that matter) that would prevent
> > all of this in the first place?
> > 
> > Side note: "enlightenment_remote -restart" does free up the memory,
> > but often this times out before the restart occurs. Also, the
> > restart triggers the not-remembering-size-or-location problem with
> > the clock module, a separate issue that has persisted into e20.  
> 
> 


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Re: [e-users] Eflete v0.6.0 release

[Larry Wyble]

What's eflete ?

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:23:18 +0200
Viacheslav Reutskiy  wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> Today I'm glad to announce a new version of Eflete.
> 
> This release is very hard for Eflete team, because we
> remade almost all UX behavior.
> 
> We are remade the navigation by groups, switch between the part
> state made more easier. Each group open in the separately tab, so
> now you can edit several groups at one time. In the demo mode
> possible set the differential content to swallow: rectangle, image
> or Elementary widget.
> Also removed the warning and error popups - now if action not
> available the widget disabled, or highlighted to red.
> 
> And many another changes. So download, install - enjoy it!
> 
> Package Download:
> https://download.enlightenment.org/rel/apps/eflete/eflete-0.6.0.tar.gz
> https://download.enlightenment.org/rel/apps/eflete/eflete-0.6.0.tar.bz2
> 
> Source Repository:
> https://git.enlightenment.org/tools/eflete.git
> 
> More info:
> https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/projects/eflete/#
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[e-users] Can't add anything to ibar

[Larry Wyble]

When I click on the ibar then contents and the ibar applications menu
comes up I can't add anything to the Ibar. I can click on any app and
nothing lights up in order to add it to the bar.

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Re: [e-users] Gstreamer-1.0

[Larry Wyble]

On 01/20/2016 10:51 AM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> Hello
>
> On 20/01/16 17:35, Larry Wyble wrote:
>> I'm sorry I looked again and I have gstreamer 0.10.36 installed but the
>> question remains. I have upgraded gstreamer in the past and broken
>> everything else on my computer that depends on it. Am I goin to have to
>> upgrade gstreamer and all the other programs that depend on it?
>> As I recall from past episodes (which I admit were a while back) this
>> turned out to be a major pain in the butt.
> You can still disable gstreamer 1.x and use 0.1x
>
> [stefan@workmachine efl]$ ./configure --help | grep gstreamer
> --enable-gstreamer  enable gstreamer 0.10 support. [default=disabled]
> --disable-gstreamer1disable gstreamer 1.0 support. [default=enabled]
>
> Not sure how many people are still testing this so. Just as a warning.
>
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt
I don't know how I missed this, I read through configure --help and 
somehow I missed this. Oh well I installed gstreamer-1.0 in parallel 
with 0.10 and got past that point now I'm up to error: pkg-config 
missing libpulse. Yes I live in dependency hell with Slackware but after 
having a hard drive crash and living in dependency hell for over 20 
years with Slackware I decided to try a lot of the easy package install 
distos like ubunto and arch and debian and some others I'm right back 
where I started with Slackware.  :)  The others were way too confining. 
You had to take a broadaxe to the gui desktop to get them loose from the 
termials, Arch didn't support all my memory, me having 32 bit system, 
then there's that grub, another piece of software that requires a 
chainsaw to remove it from your drive..  Slackware is dependency but 
we've been lovers a long time and I just can't give her up.   LOL

Thanks guys


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Re: [e-users] Gstreamer-1.0

[Larry Wyble]

I'm sorry I looked again and I have gstreamer 0.10.36 installed but the 
question remains. I have upgraded gstreamer in the past and broken 
everything else on my computer that depends on it. Am I goin to have to 
upgrade gstreamer and all the other programs that depend on it?
As I recall from past episodes (which I admit were a while back) this 
turned out to be a major pain in the butt.

Thanks

On 01/20/2016 10:27 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
> efl configure dies at: configure: error: Package requirements
> (gstreamer-1.0) were not met:
> Although I have gstreamer installed there is no 1.0. I have run into
> this error in other programs in the past, is gstreamer-1.0 some other
> package than gstreamer? the reason I ask is that gsteamer is up to
> version 4. Why use an old version of this or am I missing something?
> Thanks
>
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Re: [e-users] EFL

[Larry Wyble]

On 01/20/2016 01:27 AM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> Hello.
>
> On 20/01/16 00:44, Larry Wyble wrote:
>> I just downloaded all the new EFL and new Enlightenment and I noticed in
>> the configuration of EFL that Wayland is by default not enabled, should
>> I leave it that way?
> Just leave it off.
>
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt

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Re: [e-users] Gstreamer-1.0

[Larry Wyble]

Ok from reading the web site I understand that gstreamer 1.63 can be 
installed in parallel with 0.10 so if I install 1.63 is it going to kick 
out an error because it's not gstreamer-1.0?I may have my question 
answered for myself before long eh?  lol

On 01/20/2016 10:35 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
> I'm sorry I looked again and I have gstreamer 0.10.36 installed but the
> question remains. I have upgraded gstreamer in the past and broken
> everything else on my computer that depends on it. Am I goin to have to
> upgrade gstreamer and all the other programs that depend on it?
> As I recall from past episodes (which I admit were a while back) this
> turned out to be a major pain in the butt.
>
> Thanks
>
> On 01/20/2016 10:27 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
>> efl configure dies at: configure: error: Package requirements
>> (gstreamer-1.0) were not met:
>> Although I have gstreamer installed there is no 1.0. I have run into
>> this error in other programs in the past, is gstreamer-1.0 some other
>> package than gstreamer? the reason I ask is that gsteamer is up to
>> version 4. Why use an old version of this or am I missing something?
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: [e-users] Gstreamer-1.0

[Larry Wyble]

Yeah nevermind.  LOL
I finally answered my own question.

But to answer your question, Slackware

On 01/20/2016 10:40 AM, Chris stoni wrote:
> What distro are you using?
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Larry Wyble <llwy...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry I looked again and I have gstreamer 0.10.36 installed but the
>> question remains. I have upgraded gstreamer in the past and broken
>> everything else on my computer that depends on it. Am I goin to have to
>> upgrade gstreamer and all the other programs that depend on it?
>> As I recall from past episodes (which I admit were a while back) this
>> turned out to be a major pain in the butt.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On 01/20/2016 10:27 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
>>> efl configure dies at: configure: error: Package requirements
>>> (gstreamer-1.0) were not met:
>>> Although I have gstreamer installed there is no 1.0. I have run into
>>> this error in other programs in the past, is gstreamer-1.0 some other
>>> package than gstreamer? the reason I ask is that gsteamer is up to
>>> version 4. Why use an old version of this or am I missing something?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[e-users] EFL

[Larry Wyble]

I just downloaded all the new EFL and new Enlightenment and I noticed in 
the configuration of EFL that Wayland is by default not enabled, should 
I leave it that way? I guess since I really don't know what Wayland is 
except a it's a Baptist girls college here in the Panhandle ( The 
Wayland Flying Queens) I should just leave it off? I know there has been 
a lot of effort trying to move to Wayland in the EFL and Enlightenment, 
I never payed much attention to the discussion.  :)  So if you want to 
fill me in I'll listen now, but if not, well that's what I get eh? lol

Thanks

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Re: [e-users] E-20 cannot create Ibar Icon

[Larry Wyble]

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:51:51 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:29:40 + Peter Flynn <pe...@silmaril.ie>
> said:
> 
> > On 14/01/16 21:10, Larry Wyble wrote:  
> > > 
> > > When I right click Ibar and then "new Icon" and go through the
> > > motions of creating a new icon, it never appears on the Ibar.
> > > When I click apply and then close it there's nothing. I'v tried
> > > it several times and nothing.  
> > 
> > I always get error messages about not having write access to
> > /usr/share/icons and /usr/share/enlightenment/icons when I add an
> > icon to an Ibar application (several of them are defective as they
> > have no icon).
> > 
> > Of course, I never remember this bug, so the first time this
> > happens on a new install, I just chown myself those directories for
> > a few minutes while I fix the missing icons. And of course the
> > first one I fix has to be re-done, because the error message
> > appears *after* e17 tried to write the icon (and failed :-)
> > 
> > Something is wrong in the assumptions somewhere, as end-users would
> > not normally have write access to those directories, so it's
> > invalid that e17 would expect to be able to write into them.  
> 
> the problem is youa re editing a SYSTEM SUPPLIED desktop file. e is
> expecting that to edit..l you edit one that belongs to you (that you
> created). thus it is trying to mess with system paths not in $HOME.
> yes - it likely should duplicate the desktop file into $HOME THEN
> edit. but it doesn't.

So, dude.. (yes I said dude, I'm 66 years old and I said dude, lol)
dude, is there a work around?  :)


> 
> > Why are so many apps missing icons? Terminal is the most
> > obvious...  
> 
> you havent selected an icon theme? the one selected is invalid or not
> there? configure an icon theme.
> 
> > This is under Ubuntu 15.04 and 15.10, but it does htis under 14* as
> > well.
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Re: [e-users] E-20 cannot create Ibar Icon

[Larry Wyble]

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:51:21 +
Mick <michaelkintz...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday 15 Jan 2016 09:41:06 Larry Wyble wrote:
> > On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:51:51 +0900
> > 
> > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:  
> 
> > > the problem is youa re editing a SYSTEM SUPPLIED desktop file. e
> > > is expecting that to edit..l you edit one that belongs to you
> > > (that you created). thus it is trying to mess with system paths
> > > not in $HOME. yes - it likely should duplicate the desktop file
> > > into $HOME THEN edit. but it doesn't.  
> > 
> > So, dude.. (yes I said dude, I'm 66 years old and I said dude, lol)
> > dude, is there a work around?  :)  
> 
> As already suggested, the workaround is to:
> 
> a) define a theme for icons:
> 
> Settings/Look/Application Theme/Icons
> 
> Select different themes from there until you find something that
> provides icons to your liking.

Oh, OK. I'll give that a shot. Thanks EVERYBODY  for the help. I
greatly appreciate it.  



> > > > Why are so many apps missing icons? Terminal is the most
> > > > obvious...  
> > > 
> > > you havent selected an icon theme? the one selected is invalid or
> > > not there? configure an icon theme.
> > >   
> > > > This is under Ubuntu 15.04 and 15.10, but it does htis under
> > > > 14* as well.
> > > > 
> > > > ///Peter  
> 
> b) If a particular application does not have an icon, you can define
> your own.
> 
> Create a file under ~/.local/share/applications/.desktop with
> your preferred icon and path to the application, or point to your
> icon of choice under /usr/share/icons/
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Re: [e-users] E-20 cannot create Ibar Icon

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On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:29:40 +
Peter Flynn <pe...@silmaril.ie> wrote:

> On 14/01/16 21:10, Larry Wyble wrote:
> > 
> > When I right click Ibar and then "new Icon" and go through the
> > motions of creating a new icon, it never appears on the Ibar. When
> > I click apply and then close it there's nothing. I'v tried it
> > several times and nothing.  
> 
> I always get error messages about not having write access to
> /usr/share/icons and /usr/share/enlightenment/icons when I add an icon
> to an Ibar application (several of them are defective as they have no
> icon).
> 
> Of course, I never remember this bug, so the first time this happens
> on a new install, I just chown myself those directories for a few
> minutes while I fix the missing icons. And of course the first one I
> fix has to be re-done, because the error message appears *after* e17
> tried to write the icon (and failed :-)

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[e-users] Conky in Enlightenment .20

[larry Wyble]

This is probaly an old question and if so, sorry.  :)

Is there a way to get transparency to work in conky? I have used
own_window_argb_visual = 'true'and
own_window_argb_value = '0'

and so far no joy. 

I've also tried own_window_type = 'all the versions', again no joy.

Any ideas?

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Re: [e-users] How to map the key bindings on e-16

[Larry Wyble]

On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 00:45:41 -0500
Larry Wyble <llwy...@suddenlink.net> wrote:

> 
> I found the key bindings.cfg but can't figure out how to bind the
> volume controls. I would like to bind something like c/a/up for vol up
> and so forth but can't figure out the volume naming part. Any help
> would be appreciated.
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Nevermind I figured it out. Just in case someone else needs the info:

In the bindings.cfg I put: 
"KeyDown  CA Up exec /home/larrywyb/.e16/volup"
And in the script "volup"  I put:
amixer sset Master 10+

And the opposite for down volume.  :) 

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[e-users] How to map the key bindings on e-16

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I found the key bindings.cfg but can't figure out how to bind the
volume controls. I would like to bind something like c/a/up for vol up
and so forth but can't figure out the volume naming part. Any help
would be appreciated.

Thanks, 
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[e-users] e16 question

[Larry Wyble]

I am planning on installing e16 on a chromebook with ubuntu installed
which has 16 gigs drive space (actually about 11.5 gigs now) and since
I am so limited with space I would like to know the bare essentials
needed for the e16 install. I am pretty sure I need the EFL, I say
pretty sure because I have always had the EFL installed on my main
computers and never really had to know what e16 requirements are, if I
installed e16 it just worked.  :)
But is there any other requirement for e16? And since there is a .deb
package for efl 1.7.9 would this be good enough for e16 newest version
Or should I build from source and package for .deb? 

Sorry this is so wordy.

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Re: [e-users] I just installed Enlightenment

[Larry Wyble]

Here's what epymc got:


:~$ epymc
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/epymc", line 5, in 
from epymc.main import start_epymc
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/epymc/main.py", line 23, in
 from efl import evas, ecore, edje, elementary, emotion
  File "efl.evas.pyx", line 1, in init efl.evas
(efl/evas/efl.evas.c:104986)
ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/efl/eo.so: undefined
symbol: EO_BASE_BASE_ID





On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 20:45:02 +0200
Davide Andreoli <d...@gurumeditation.it> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> to see what is happening run the media center from the console, the
> command is "epymc", you should see some kind of error.
> 
> btw epymc has nothing to do with enlightenment itself,
> I cannot understand how this is related with the e install :/
> 
> 
> 2015-10-09 18:25 GMT+02:00 Larry Wyble <llwy...@suddenlink.net>:
> 
> > I just installed Enlightenment From the git repository and it works
> > except for one thing. When I click on
> > 'Applications/Multimedia/Emotion Media Center' I get "Emotion Media
> > Center stopped running unexpectedly" "There was no error message"
> >
> > What's up wid dat?  :)
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[e-users] I just installed Enlightenment

[Larry Wyble]

I just installed Enlightenment From the git repository and it works
except for one thing. When I click on 'Applications/Multimedia/Emotion
Media Center' I get "Emotion Media Center stopped running unexpectedly"
"There was no error message"

What's up wid dat?  :)

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Re: [e-users] e16-1.0.16

[Larry Wyble]

I use it also although I have e-19 installed I still end up back at
e16.   :)




On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:29:08 +0100
Kim Woelders k...@woelders.dk wrote:

 Pierre Neyron wrote:
  Hey Christian, Kim,
 
  +1 ;-)
 
  Thanks again Kim, for fixing the problem I reported last december.
  e16 rocks.
 
  Best regards,
  Pierre
 
  On 26/02/15 22:02, Christian Klein wrote:
  Hi Kim,
 
  keep up the good work!
 
  Just wanted to let you know that there's still at least one e16
  user out there.  It's fast, nice, and does what I want it to!
 
  Thanks for still working on this old but great piece of software!
 
  Christian.
 
 Thanks - it's nice to know there still are a couple of happy users
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Re: [e-users] Terminology

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On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 00:53:38 +0100
Thomas Gstädtner tho...@gstaedtner.net wrote:

 On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:53:19 -0600
 Larry Wyble llwy...@suddenlink.net wrote:
 
  
  Where can I read about themeing for Terminology? It has several
  themes that come with it but the colors on the black background are
  not bright enough for me I would like to change the colors and/or
  intensity.
  
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 Theming is done in EDC, and for terminology is rather straight
 forward. Look in the sources in data/themes, there are a bunch of edc
 files. I suggest you just take a look at mustang.edc, it has only a
 few lines and shows pretty well how it's done.
 
 After that you have to build the theme with edje_cc (to make this
 easier, just enhance Makefile.am) and drop it in the theme dir.

Ok I figured it out and read the edje data collection web page but
what I can't figure out is where is the color_class being called from?

In other words I have this in my me.edc:
color_classes {

color_class { name: c0;   color: 170 170 170 255; } // COL_DEF
color_class { name: c1;   color:   0   0   0 255; } // COL_BLACK
color_class { name: c2;   color: 255   0   0 255; } // COL_RED 

and so on. Where is the name of the color_class {name: c0...cn;
being referenced from, that's what I can't figure out.

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[e-users] Terminology

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Where can I read about themeing for Terminology? It has several themes
that come with it but the colors on the black background are not bright
enough for me I would like to change the colors and/or intensity.

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[e-users] E16 ??

[Larry Wyble]

Is this the place to ask questions about e16 or is there another
mailing list for it?

Anyway, just in case. Is there a way to set seperate/different
backgrounds on the different desktops? I HAVE looked all over and
failed to find this info, maybe I was asking the question wrong.   :)


SO, thanks in advance.
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[e-users] Phabricator

[Larry Wyble]

I read the following in the Phabricator:

after all, your desktop configurator tool can translate .png or .jpg
images to .edj for you to use them as backgrounds.


Where is this magical tool? I've been building my own .edj files for
this purpose. Not that it's that hard but it would be nice to know
where these types of things are instead of just reading that they exist
somewhere.

BTW I'm using E19. If that makes any difference.

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Re: [e-users] Phabricator

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On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 10:36:35 +0930
Simon si...@simotek.net wrote:

 On 09/06/2014 04:17 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
 
  I read the following in the Phabricator:
 
  after all, your desktop configurator tool can translate .png or .jpg
  images to .edj for you to use them as backgrounds.
 
 
  Where is this magical tool? I've been building my own .edj files for
  this purpose. Not that it's that hard but it would be nice to know
  where these types of things are instead of just reading that they
  exist somewhere.
 
  BTW I'm using E19. If that makes any difference.
 
  Thanks
 
 
 The wallpaper dialog will do this if you select a image

Nope tried it, comes back at ya' with unable to import image, are you
sure this is a valid image?  Tried .png and .jpg both. Doesn't work,of
course as I mentioned I'm using E19 so it could be that, I don't know.
Doesn't matter that much I guess, at 65 I am now learning edje.  :)
I think if I sit at this computer much longer the ol' gal is gonna run
me off though.  lol

I found the edje data collection reference and I'm getting a pretty
good idea about how this is supposed to work, I'm just trying to figure
out how to put the parts together. I'm having a hell of a time figuring
out the group and part naming system though,  It says The name that
will be used by the application to load the resulting Edje object and
to identify the group to swallow in a GROUP part. I don't get what
they're saying here. My cypherin' box (brain) ain't what it used to
be.  Lol

Anyway Some day I will get a theme written and the world will be a
better place.   Lol

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Re: [e-users] Phabricator

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On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 11:57:38 +0930
Simon si...@simotek.net wrote:

 On 09/06/2014 11:14 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
  On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 10:36:35 +0930
  Simon si...@simotek.net wrote:
 
  On 09/06/2014 04:17 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
  I read the following in the Phabricator:
 
  after all, your desktop configurator tool can translate .png
  or .jpg images to .edj for you to use them as backgrounds.
 
 
  Where is this magical tool? I've been building my own .edj files
  for this purpose. Not that it's that hard but it would be nice to
  know where these types of things are instead of just reading that
  they exist somewhere.
 
  BTW I'm using E19. If that makes any difference.
 
  Thanks
 
 
  The wallpaper dialog will do this if you select a image
  Nope tried it, comes back at ya' with unable to import image, are
  you sure this is a valid image?  Tried .png and .jpg both. Doesn't
  work,of course as I mentioned I'm using E19 so it could be that, I
  don't know. Doesn't matter that much I guess, at 65 I am now
  learning edje.  :) I think if I sit at this computer much longer
  the ol' gal is gonna run me off though.  lol
 
  I found the edje data collection reference and I'm getting a pretty
  good idea about how this is supposed to work, I'm just trying to
  figure out how to put the parts together. I'm having a hell of a
  time figuring out the group and part naming system though,  It says
  The name that will be used by the application to load the
  resulting Edje object and to identify the group to swallow in a
  GROUP part. I don't get what they're saying here. My cypherin' box
  (brain) ain't what it used to be.  Lol
 
  Anyway Some day I will get a theme written and the world will be a
  better place.   Lol
 
  Thanks for answering my question though.
 
 It works for me with e19 rc3 and efl 1.11.1 if its not working for
 you, you should raise a bug ticket. I need to raise a bug because
 there was a svg that wouldn't load for me the other day, be sure to
 include the images in the bug report. Also do you have evas generic
 loaders installed? I'm slowly working on a theme as well.
 
 Cheers
 Simon


Yeah rc3 is what I installed along with all the new libs including the
generic loaders. I built this yesterday after having E18.8 fail on
start up complaining about svg's and jpg's. it said I didn't have them
enabled in the generic loaders so I went back and made sure the loaders
had everything enabled rebuilt reinstalled and rebuilt and reinstalled
E118 and still got the same error. So I got E19 and built it and
everything worked. Except econnman it crashes without error. But I
think there is a problem with connman itself, I had to add -lncurses
to the Makefile to get it to build. That shouldn't be.

Well, later. And good luck with the themeing I know I need as much
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Re: [e-users] EFL 1.11 is Out

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After Deleting everything and rebuilding Mine seems to be working now.
No chop and all the menus are working. So hhmmm.



On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 23:39:19 -0500
Larry Wyble llwy...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 20:21:55 -0700
 Noah Rømer baron...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Upgraded efl (1.10.2 - 1.11.0), elementary (1.10.2 - 1.11.0) and
  evas_generic_loaders (1.10.0 - 1.11.0) on a 64-bit Arch Linux
  install yesterday. After the upgrade, window effects
  (resizing/moving) menus (open/close) and video (Xine, using opengl)
  were all choppy. Downgraded those 3 packages, and everything
  smoothed back out.
  
  Anyone else seeing this? I'm using the official Arch packages, as
  opposed to compiling from source.
  
  
 
 I have the choppiness plus none of my menus work. Still haven't
 figured it out. I guess I will go back to the older version also. I
 upgraded to E18, was using E17 and it was perfect, wish I'd a stuck
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[e-users] While building terminology

[Larry Wyble]

I get the error 

/usr/local/lib/libpulse.so.0: undefined reference to
`json_object_array_length' 
/usr/local/lib/libpulse.so.0: undefined
reference to `json_object_new_int' 
/usr/local/lib/libpulse.so.0:
undefined reference to
`json_object_object_add' 
/usr/local/lib/libpulse.so.0: undefined
reference to `json_object_to_json_string'

I have json installed. Any ideas?

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[e-users] building enlightenment 0.18.8

[Larry Wyble]

on make install

Making install in modules
make[2]: Entering directory
`/usr/local/src/enlightenment-0.18.8/src/modules' make[3]: Entering
directory `/usr/local/src/enlightenment-0.18.8/src/modules' make[3]:
*** No rule to make target `tiling/e-module-tiling.edj', needed by
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[e-users] Backgrounds

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Is there a tutorial somewhere that shows how to make e18 - 19
backgrounds?

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Re: [e-users] Backgrounds

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Never mind I figured it out. Also found phabricator.
Thanks

On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 17:24:49 -0500
Larry Wyble llwy...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 
 Is there a tutorial somewhere that shows how to make e18 - 19
 backgrounds?
 
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Re: [e-users] EFL 1.11 is Out

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On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 20:21:55 -0700
Noah Rømer baron...@gmail.com wrote:

 Upgraded efl (1.10.2 - 1.11.0), elementary (1.10.2 - 1.11.0) and
 evas_generic_loaders (1.10.0 - 1.11.0) on a 64-bit Arch Linux install
 yesterday. After the upgrade, window effects (resizing/moving) menus
 (open/close) and video (Xine, using opengl) were all choppy.
 Downgraded those 3 packages, and everything smoothed back out.
 
 Anyone else seeing this? I'm using the official Arch packages, as
 opposed to compiling from source.
 
 

I have the choppiness plus none of my menus work. Still haven't figured
it out. I guess I will go back to the older version also. I upgraded to
E18, was using E17 and it was perfect, wish I'd a stuck with it now.  :)

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[e-users] E18

[Larry Wyble]

I have installed E18 and everything went well except when I click on
the desktop and bring up the menu nothing on the menu works. IOW when I
click on anything on the menu nothing happens, the menu just goes away.
I had E17 installed up until now and it worked without a hitch, kinda
wish I had just stayed with it now. Anyway could there be something in
my .e configuration files that would be causing this? I really hate to
delete them but I will if it's a problem.

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Re: [e-users] E18

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Didn't work, in fact things got worse, before I could click on app
icons and they would work now neither the menus work nor the desktop
icons. Bummer.   :)

Thanks



On Mon, 1 Sep 2014 21:07:41 +0300
Alex-P. Natsios apnats...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 
 Just like you said try backing your profile up and moving it ( i.e. mv
 .e/ _old_e ).
 Then see if you can reproduce with the default profile and settings.
 


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Re: [e-users] Newer efl with older enlightenment

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 22:01:25 +0200
Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr wrote:

 Hello,
 
 On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Larry Wyble llwy...@suddenlink.net
 wrote:
  To try out the newest model of rage I need to upgrade the efl from
  1.7.10 to 1.11.0.  Do I have to upgrade enlightenment to the newest
  model too?   it is currently 0.17.6   Probably need to upgrade it
  all since I am doing the EFL right?
 
 No, you should not need to. EFL is a stable toolkit that has its own
 release cycle and should always provide backward compatibility. If
 something is broken, it's a bug that should be fixed.

Ok thanks, good to know.

 
  Also I have been seeing mention of E-18 and E-19 on this list. How
  do you tell the difference? I mean I haven't seen anything that
  says E-18 or E-19??  Unless I just missed it somewhere.  :)
 
 If you check the download page of our website, you will find E18:
 https://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=download . As for E19, it is the
 current git master, not released yet.

Yep, sure enough there it is.  :)
So what's the difference?

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[e-users] Newer efl with older enlightenment

[Larry Wyble]

To try out the newest model of rage I need to upgrade the efl from
1.7.10 to 1.11.0.  Do I have to upgrade enlightenment to the newest
model too?   it is currently 0.17.6   Probably need to upgrade it all
since I am doing the EFL right?


Also I have been seeing mention of E-18 and E-19 on this list. How do
you tell the difference? I mean I haven't seen anything that says E-18
or E-19??  Unless I just missed it somewhere.  :)

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[e-users] Audacious music player screwed up

[Larry Wyble]

I have installed E-17.3 in Slackware and am having major problems with
audacious music player. When I double click on it to roll it up or roll it
down to show the equalizer nothing happens. All other windows work with the
roll up and down. Also none of the graphics on the Audacious window are
working. such as the visual volume adjust lines. None of the graphics
change as they are aupposed to. Audacious works perfectly under ICE Window
manager.


 Also when I start Enlightenment there is an error:


ERRecore_timer.c:564 safety check failed: timer-delete_me is true
ERRecore_timer.c:564 safety check failed: timer-delete_me is true
ERRecore_timer.c:564 safety check failed: timer-delete_me is true
ERRecore_timer.c:564 safety check failed: timer-delete_me is true
ERRecore_timer.c:564 safety check failed: timer-delete_me is true
ERRecore_timer.c:564 safety check failed: timer-delete_me is true
ERRecore_timer.c:564 safety check failed: timer-delete_me is true
ERRecore_timer.c:564 safety check failed: timer-delete_me is true
ERRecore_timer.c:564 safety check failed: timer-delete_me is true
ERRecore_timer.c:564 safety check failed: timer-delete_me is true
ERRecore_timer.c:564 safety check failed: timer-delete_me is true
ERRecore_timer.c:564 safety check failed: timer-delete_me is true

and so on...

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Re: [e-users] e17 default theme ... polishing

[Larry Wyble]

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Barton bar...@bcdesignswell.com wrote:


 On 01/29/2013 10:33 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  i'd like to put this out there.
 
  now e17 is out - i'm looking at POLISHING the default theme. over time
 that is.




Sorry to be a dumbass, but which one's the default, I forgot? :)
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Re: [e-users] Icons Grid

[Larry Wyble]

Thanks I'll check this out.
On Jan 28, 2013 6:01 AM, Massimo Maiurana maiur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Larry Wyble, il 28/01/2013 04:30, ha scritto:

  Whenever I click on the home icon on the desktop the file manager opens
 up
  but it is blank.

 are you using the default theme or a different one?
 some months ago there was a change in how e handles this, so at that time
 only
 the default theme was showing contents in fileman. some themes were patched
 some days after that, including the one I use (efenniht), but many others
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Re: [e-users] Icons Grid

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OK, thanks. But what I was wondering is, there IS a set to grid setting
where the desktop lines up the icons all in a pretty row. The only problem
I found was when setting this they lined up horizontally across the top
instead of vertically down the side. Maybe I'm confused about this but that
was my experience.

Anyway, one more question if you don't mind.
Whenever I click on the home icon on the desktop the file manager opens up
but it is blank. It has a nice pretty blue background but there is nothing
there. Same with the temp icon and the root. In fact anytime I open the e
file manager it is blank.  'Sup wid dat?  :-)

Thanks again
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 On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:10:13 -0600 Larry Wyble widget...@gmail.com said:

  I looked all over the preferences and setup and couldn't find this, is it
  possible to set the icons to a vertical grid instead of horizontal?
  I hate that the grid puts the desktop icons across the top of the screen.
 
  Also on restart of E17 the Icons are not in the grid but scattered all
 over
  the place. Is there a way to make E remember the desktop setup?

 by DEFAULT the desktop layout is custom. this means you can dnd and move
 them
 anywhere you like - they are not in a grid. if you DON'T provide a
 position...
 then they get arranged row by row, top left to bottom-right. efm saves the
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[e-users] Icons Grid

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I looked all over the preferences and setup and couldn't find this, is it
possible to set the icons to a vertical grid instead of horizontal?
I hate that the grid puts the desktop icons across the top of the screen.

Also on restart of E17 the Icons are not in the grid but scattered all over
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[e-users] e17setroot

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Where do I find e17setroot? I googled but never came across it. And I 
don't find it on the E17 web site.

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Re: [e-users] e17setroot

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On 09/23/2011 08:58 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com wrote:


 fake transparency stuff. nothing you'll use unless you want to make a
 real retro setup :p

So how do I get gkrellm's invisible theme to work in e17??

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[e-users] Works pretty good

[Larry Wyble]

I downloaded the SVN today 10-09-10 at 11:00 CDT.   Just so we all
know what e version I'm using.   :)

I built packages using pkgtool in Slackware. Everything built and
installed like a charm. Woohoo

I built and installed in this order:

eina eet evas ecore embryo edje e_dbus efreet eeze e

When I ran it it came up and told me there was a module missing:

conf_exe/linux-gnu-i686-ver-pre-svn-07/module.so

and do I want to delete that module, and I clicked yeah since it
was not actually there.  woof woof..

There was no wallpapers and there were none in the configuration menu
thingy, although the theme names were in there, there was not actually
anything to pick and choose from. Just the names and no
graphical type stuff.

So I downloaded the themes from here:
http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/THEMES
But they won' build. So what should I do??



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[e-users] Can't build themes

[Larry Wyble]

Whenever I try to build themes from the THEMES directory of the cvn I
get the following error.

edje_cc  theme.edc b_and_w.edj
ERR6972:edje_cc edje_cc_parse.c:115 new_object() edje_cc: Error.
stdin:46   handled keyword spectrum make: *** [b_and_w.edj] Error
255

Can someone tell me what's going wrong??

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[e-users] Locking icons

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Is there any way to lock the icons in place? Every time I kill X and
restart the icons are all mixed up from where I left them. I would
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[e-users] Slackware packages

[Larry Wyble]

I have all the enlightenment libraries and enlightenment itself built
into Slackware installable packages. 

These are built for Slackware 12.2 and installed and run fine on my
system.

e_dbus-0.5.0.060-i486-1_SBo.tgz  
eina-0.0.2.060-i486-1_SBo.tgz
ecore-0.9.9.060-i486-1_SBo.tgz   
embryo-0.9.9.060-i486-1_SBo.tgz
edje-0.9.92.060-i486-1_SBo.tgz
enlightenment-0.16.999.060-i486-1_SBo.tgz
eet-1.2.0-i486-1_SBo.tgz 
evas-0.9.9.060-i486-1_SBo.tgz
efreet-0.5.0.060-i486-1_SBo.tgz



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Re: [e-users] Need help with elementary

[Larry Wyble]

I've been trying to get compile help here for weeks. I don't think
this is the place for actual help with the build of E. No answers
ever come. No one pays attention to this mail list.


On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
j runtt runt...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 I am tring to compile elementary and I have run into a problem
 during :  make:
 
 els_icon.c: In function '_smart_add':
 els_icon.c:359: error: 'EVAS_IMAGE_SCALE_HINT_STATIC' undeclared
 (first use in this function) els_icon.c:359: error: (Each
 undeclared identifier is reported only once els_icon.c:359: error:
 for each function it appears in.) make[3]: ***
 [libelementary_la-els_icon.lo] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory
 `/root/elementary/src/lib' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
 make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/elementary/src'
 make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/elementary'
 make: *** [all] Error 2
 
 This is where thr error happens:
 {
Smart_Data *sd;

sd = calloc(1, sizeof(Smart_Data));
if (!sd) return;
sd-obj = evas_object_image_add(evas_object_evas_get(obj));
evas_object_image_scale_hint_set(sd-obj,
 EVAS_IMAGE_SCALE_HINT_STATIC); sd-x = 0;
sd-y = 0;
sd-w = 0;
sd-h = 0;
sd-fill_inside = 1;
sd-scale_up = 1;
sd-scale_down = 1;
sd-size = 64;
sd-scale = 1.0;
evas_object_smart_member_add(sd-obj, obj);
evas_object_smart_data_set(obj, sd);
 
 Could someone tell me how to fix this? Thank you very , very
 much !!! 
 
 
   
 
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[e-users] problem making e_dbus

[Larry Wyble]

I have gone through my system and rebuilt eina, eet, evas and ecore
from the newest versions and installed them and made sure there were
no old versions lying around but when I try to build e_dbus I get the
following errors.


libtool: compile:  gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../..
-I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include
-I/usr/include/eina-0 -I/usr/include/eina-0/eina
-I/usr/include/eina-0 -I/usr/include/eina-0/eina -g -O2 -MT e_dbus.lo
-MD -MP -MF .deps/e_dbus.Tpo -c e_dbus.c  -fPIC -DPIC
-o .libs/e_dbus.o 
In file included from e_dbus.c:2: e_dbus_private.h:16: 
error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'Eina_List' e_dbus.c:
In function 'e_dbus_fd_handler_add': e_dbus.c:103: 
error: 'E_DBus_Connection' has no member named 'fd_handlers'
e_dbus.c:103: 
error: 'E_DBus_Connection' has no member named 'fd_handlers'
e_dbus.c: In function 'e_dbus_handler_data_free':

All the paths above are correct. What could the problem be?

I have an old version of e_dbus I haven't removed yet could this be
causing the problem?? I wouldn't think an old version would be used
to build a newer.

Thanks for any help. 

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Re: [e-users] problem making e_dbus

[Larry Wyble]

Yes:

$ locate Eina.h
/usr/include/eina-0/Eina.h


 It can't find Eina.h.
 
 Is it in any of those directories after the -I in the output?
 
 On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 13:46 -0500, Larry Wyble wrote:  
  I have gone through my system and rebuilt eina, eet, evas and
  ecore from the newest versions and installed them and made sure
  there were no old versions lying around but when I try to build
  e_dbus I get the following errors.
  
  
  libtool: compile:  gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../..
  -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include
  -I/usr/include/eina-0 -I/usr/include/eina-0/eina
  -I/usr/include/eina-0 -I/usr/include/eina-0/eina -g -O2 -MT
  e_dbus.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/e_dbus.Tpo -c e_dbus.c  -fPIC -DPIC
  -o .libs/e_dbus.o 
  In file included from e_dbus.c:2: e_dbus_private.h:16: 
  error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'Eina_List'
  e_dbus.c: In function 'e_dbus_fd_handler_add': e_dbus.c:103: 
  error: 'E_DBus_Connection' has no member named 'fd_handlers'
  e_dbus.c:103: 
  error: 'E_DBus_Connection' has no member named 'fd_handlers'
  e_dbus.c: In function 'e_dbus_handler_data_free':
  
  All the paths above are correct. What could the problem be?
  
  I have an old version of e_dbus I haven't removed yet could this
  be causing the problem?? I wouldn't think an old version would be
  used to build a newer.
  
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[e-users] Any help anywhere??

[Larry Wyble]

Is there another mailing list where we can get help with E?
I've posted a couple of problems on this one and no one seems to
have any suggestions to the problems I have run into or there just
isn't enough traffic on this one.

Is there some place where we can get help??

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[e-users] Ecore make fails

[Larry Wyble]

While trying to build Ecore I get the following error;

libtool: compile:  gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../..
-I../../../src/lib/ecore -I../../../src/lib/ecore_evas
-I../../../src/lib/ecore_input -I../../../src/lib/ecore
-I../../../src/lib/ecore_evas -I../../../src/lib/ecore_input
-I../../../src/lib/ecore_x -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include
-I/usr/local/include/eina-0 -I/usr/local/include/eina-0/eina -g -O2
-MT ecore_evas.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/ecore_evas.Tpo -c ecore_evas.c
-fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/ecore_evas.o In file included from
ecore_evas.c:12: ../../../src/lib/ecore_input/Ecore_Input.h:61:error: 
expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before
'Ecore_Window' ../../../src/lib/ecore_input/Ecore_Input.h:70: error:
expected specifier-qualifier-list before
'Ecore_Window' ../../../src/lib/ecore_input/Ecore_Input.h:83: error:
expected specifier-qualifier-list before
'Ecore_Window' ../../../src/lib/ecore_input/Ecore_Input.h:106: error:
expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'Ecore_Window'

And so on...

Any help would be appreciated.

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[e-users] enlightenment build error

[Larry Wyble]

I am currently running dr17 0.16.999.043 So I have built it in the
past. When trying to build .050 I get the following error:

In file included from e_includes.h:14,
 from e.h:181,
 from e_main.c:4:
e_border.h:356: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before
'Ecore_X_Virtual_Keyboard_State'


And stops. The configure script makes it through without a problem.
Can someone tell me what the problem may be??

Thanks

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[e-users] enlightenment-0.16.999.050 build error

[Larry Wyble]

I am currently running dr17 0.16.999.043 So I have built it in the
past. When trying to build .050 I get the following error:

In file included from e_includes.h:14,
 from e.h:181,
 from e_main.c:4:
e_border.h:356: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before
'Ecore_X_Virtual_Keyboard_State'


And stops. The configure script makes it through without a problem.
Can someone tell me what the problem may be??

Thanks

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