Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-31 Thread Tanstaafl
On 3/30/2021, 10:59:49 PM, Paul Kosinski via Enterprise wrote: > On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:54:13 -0400 > Tanstaafl wrote: >> That said - chromium is in no way 'Google', other than, yes, some >> google engineers contribute to the codebase. > Then why does Chromium's default home page have a Gmail

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-30 Thread Paul Kosinski via Enterprise
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:54:13 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > Ummm... yeah, well, Brave is open source too... but it does use the > Chromium engine. You're right. I guess I was missed that after seeing the ad & payment stuff. (Why can't software stick to it's main purpose?) > That said - chromium is

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-30 Thread Tanstaafl
Ummm... yeah, well, Brave is open source too... but it does use the Chromium engine. That said - chromium is in no way 'Google', other than, yes, some google engineers contribute to the codebase. Mozilla has become so politicized (and badly via Identity politics BS), that apparently quality is

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-30 Thread Paul Kosinski via Enterprise
One of the crucial reasons I still use Firefox is because it is Open Source, so I doubt I would switch to Brave (or Opera, or anything...). Thus I hope that FF stabilizes before it becomes unusable. And there are two ways it can become unusable: one is by crippling or removing long-standing

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-30 Thread Andrew C Aitchison
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, Tanstaafl wrote: On 3/30/2021 10:50 AM, Tanstaafl wrote Most importantly, like Thane said, I won't be coming back... unless Mozilla does something spectacular to make me give it another look - like, opening up the UI to Addons at the same or similar level that XUL allowed.

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-30 Thread Tanstaafl
On 3/30/2021 10:50 AM, Tanstaafl wrote > Most importantly, like Thane said, I won't be coming back... unless > Mozilla does something spectacular to make me give it another look - > like, opening up the UI to Addons at the same or similar level that > XUL allowed. Oh - and only if Mozilla puts an

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-30 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2/28/2021 1:29 PM, Thane K. Sherrington wrote > Mike, my complaint (and the complaint I get from my clients) is the > lack of Simplify Printing.    I get that it's "coming soon" but that's > not the way to roll out a brand new printing system.  Finish it, then > roll it out.  The regular

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-01 Thread Andrew J. Buehler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2021-03-01 at 14:10, Paul Kosinski via Enterprise wrote: > Thane's posting gives voice to my recent dissatisfaction with > Firefox. > > I have used Firefox since when it was still Netscape. And when it > became Open Source I decided it was by

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-01 Thread Andrew J. Buehler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2021-03-01 at 12:05, Mike Kaply wrote: > I appreciate your feedback and understand. > > For situations like this, we recommend the Firefox ESR to avoid > getting changes like this as they are being implemented. That doesn't help if the change

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-01 Thread Paul Kosinski via Enterprise
How depressing. Not only is Firefox now less pleasant to use compared to pre-Quantum, it's becoming less useful, due to Web designers going back to the modern equivalent of the old Internet Explorer-only mindset. On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 11:14:33 -0600 Mike Kaply wrote: > On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-01 Thread Paul Kosinski via Enterprise
Comments inline. On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 11:05:27 -0600 Mike Kaply wrote: > I appreciate your feedback and understand. > > For situations like this, we recommend the Firefox ESR to avoid getting > changes like this as they are being implemented. But eventually the changes -- whether good or bad --

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-01 Thread Paul Kosinski via Enterprise
Thane's posting gives voice to my recent dissatisfaction with Firefox. I have used Firefox since when it was still Netscape. And when it became Open Source I decided it was by far the most trustworthy browser around (especially given the existence of NoScript and the like). Starting even

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-01 Thread Klaus Hartnegg
People abandon Firefox because it is incompatible with more and more web pages, not because the way it looks. -- Message sent from a mobile device, please excuse brevity and typos ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-01 Thread Mike Kaply
On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 11:12 AM Klaus Hartnegg wrote: > People abandon Firefox because it is incompatible with more and more web > pages, not because the way it looks. > Well to be more precise, websites are writing sites specifically for Chrome and not using web standards and not testing on

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-01 Thread Mike Kaply
I appreciate your feedback and understand. For situations like this, we recommend the Firefox ESR to avoid getting changes like this as they are being implemented. But yeah, we are making changes for change sake to make Firefox better and more modern. There's a major reorganization of all the

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-01 Thread Robert Marcano via Enterprise
On 3/1/21 9:39 AM, Robert Marcano wrote: On 2/28/21 2:19 PM, Thane K. Sherrington wrote: There used to be a "Simplify page" that really improved printing websites.  I can't find that in the new system. Also, I can't find a way to print specific pages such as 1,3, and 10 or 5 to 15. "print

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-03-01 Thread Robert Marcano via Enterprise
On 2/28/21 2:19 PM, Thane K. Sherrington wrote: There used to be a "Simplify page" that really improved printing websites.  I can't find that in the new system. Also, I can't find a way to print specific pages such as 1,3, and 10 or 5 to 15. "print specific pages" can be reached with the

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-02-28 Thread Thane K. Sherrington
Mike, my complaint (and the complaint I get from my clients) is the lack of Simplify Printing.    I get that it's "coming soon" but that's not the way to roll out a brand new printing system.  Finish it, then roll it out.  The regular complaints I get about Firefox changes is "too many changes

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-02-28 Thread Thane K. Sherrington
There used to be a "Simplify page" that really improved printing websites.  I can't find that in the new system. Also, I can't find a way to print specific pages such as 1,3, and 10 or 5 to 15. Thane K. Sherrington Computer Connection, Ltd. ...taking the mystery out of computers since 1982.

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-02-26 Thread Mike Kaply
There's more information about it in our release notes: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/86.0/releasenotes/ There is a preference to turn it off right now (print.tab_modal.enabled), but that preference will be going away in the near future. That preference can be managed via policy.

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-02-25 Thread Mike Kaply
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 7:13 PM Paul Kosinski via Enterprise < enterprise@mozilla.org> wrote: > FTA: "Also the new Print Preview UI *lacks* a few features which were > present in classic dialog box." > > So typical! Make it "better" by removing features. > > I wish people would stop designing

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-02-25 Thread Paul Kosinski via Enterprise
FTA: "Also the new Print Preview UI *lacks* a few features which were present in classic dialog box." So typical! Make it "better" by removing features. I wish people would stop designing systems that cater *only* to novices: it reduces expertise in the long run. On Thu, 25 Feb 2021

[Mozilla Enterprise] WG: Restore Classic Print Preview Dialog Box UI in Mozilla Firefox

2021-02-25 Thread Martin Feuerstein
Mike Kaply, can you tell us something about this change? Is there a group policy to keep the classic print dialogue? Thank you very much! Viele Grüße, Martin Feuerstein [umwelt]Bitte denken Sie über Ihre Verantwortung gegenüber der Umwelt nach, bevor Sie diese E-Mail ausdrucken. Feed: AskVG