[EUG-LUG:3418] Re: Q:'s for BSD gurus

2001-10-25 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 10:34:31PM -0700, larry a price wrote: So in preparation for taking on a new OS (netbsd) I've been reading the docs and trying to make sure I have answered most of my questions about hw, things like PCMCIA support, and sound etc. 2 things: Thing the first: Is

[EUG-LUG:3419] Re: the windoze XP-erience

2001-10-25 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 11:24:10AM -0700, Justin Bengtson wrote: i also asked about sound editing programs and such, but no one has replied (or knows what i'm talking about, or just plain doesn't use them...) http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/ Pretty sure there's a .deb for snd (As

[EUG-LUG:3420] Re: Q:'s for BSD gurus

2001-10-25 Thread Bob Miller
larry a price wrote: The other: What are the main gotchas of switching from linux to bsd? What habits are going to get me in trouble? Cultural and technical differences not emphasised in the documentation? The OpenBSD web site has a FAQ chapter titled Migrating from Linux. It's only a

[EUG-LUG:3422] Good open source evangelism article

2001-10-25 Thread Bob Miller
It was on /. a couple of hours ago, so you've probably already seen it. If not, point your browser to: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1275-210-7632187-1.html The coming open monopoly in software The article explains, cogently, why World Domination is inevitable. -- Bob Miller

[EUG-LUG:3423] Re: the windoze XP-erience

2001-10-25 Thread Mr O
Well, the RedHat 7.2 ISO's are available to those wanting them and cider sound good, is it spiked? :-) That's all for now. Later, Mr O. On Thursday 25 October 2001 09:05 am, you wrote: so i figure i'll just stop by mr. o's tonight and nab some red hat cd's. what kind of beers y'all like?

[EUG-LUG:3424] Re: the windoze XP-erience

2001-10-25 Thread Mark Bigler
On Thursday 25 October 2001 09:05, Justin Bengtson wrote: hey, i don't have a usb joystick... actually, last night i said screw it and installed debian (as sole OS), but the installation messed up. then i found the freeBSD CD someone had secreted in my laptop case (while furiously tearing

[EUG-LUG:3425] Re: the windoze XP-erience

2001-10-25 Thread Justin Bengtson
i still can't find the CD. thanks, tho. -Original Message- From: Mark Bigler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 9:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EUG-LUG:3424] Re: the windoze XP-erience On Thursday 25 October 2001 09:05, Justin Bengtson wrote: hey, i

[EUG-LUG:3427] Re: the windoze XP-erience

2001-10-25 Thread Mark Bigler
On Thursday 25 October 2001 09:29, Justin Bengtson wrote: i still can't find the CD. thanks, tho. I hope you enjoy Red Hat. Boy, that cider sounds great! -Original Message- From: Mark Bigler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 9:28 AM To: [EMAIL

[EUG-LUG:3428] Re: i'll bring the beer...

2001-10-25 Thread Mr O
As long as the label doesn't say Lite I'll partake of some and/or cider too. Not everyone is into drinking but you never know once you mention it on the list. Me. On Thursday 25 October 2001 09:31 am, you wrote: yeah, the neighbor had it fermenting for a good month and a half. don't

[EUG-LUG:3429] Re: the windoze XP-erience

2001-10-25 Thread Mark Bigler
On Thursday 25 October 2001 09:40, Justin Bengtson wrote: (red hat users, PLEASE don't take offense to this...) chris showed me red carpet one night. i was highly impressed. i don't know if i'm going to get over my feeling that red hat is the AOL of linux, but i'm probably just jaded by my

[EUG-LUG:3430] Re: the windoze XP-erience

2001-10-25 Thread Justin Bengtson
*BSD is out because it doesn't recognize my hardware (at least freeBSD didn't). biding my time involves putting XP back on the system because i can't find my 2K CD either. that's an option i really don't like... my feeling is that 2K was the best OS micro$quish ever made (not saying much...)

[EUG-LUG:3431] Re: the windoze XP-erience

2001-10-25 Thread Bob Miller
Justin Bengtson wrote: the freeBSD CD someone had secreted in my laptop case furiously tearing apart the house looking for my Progeny CD i can't find my 2K CD either. It sounds like you don't need a new distribution, you need to get down to Staples and buy a CD case. (-: -- Bob Miller

[EUG-LUG:3432] Re: the windoze XP-erience

2001-10-25 Thread Justin Bengtson
the life of a bachelor... -Original Message- From: Bob Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EUG-LUG:3431] Re: the windoze XP-erience Justin Bengtson wrote: the freeBSD CD someone had secreted in my laptop case

[EUG-LUG:3433] BBC Ogg Broadcasts

2001-10-25 Thread Rob Hudson
Interesting bit of news for ogg-heads, found here: http://www.vorbis.com/ot/latest.html Ciaran Anscomb of the BBC (yes, that BBC) has announced that they are testing scheduled Ogg broadcasts with icecast 2.0. You can tune into these broadcasts at http://support.bbc.co.uk/oggstreams.shtml.

[EUG-LUG:3434] Re: i'll bring the beer...

2001-10-25 Thread Patrick R. Wade
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 09:31:24AM -0700, Justin Bengtson wrote: yeah, the neighbor had it fermenting for a good month and a half. don't question the methods, just drink it... it's pretty bitter, so non-purist cider drinkers may not like it. beer? suggestions should be mailed to [EMAIL

[EUG-LUG:3435] Guerilla Wireless

2001-10-25 Thread Jim Beard
Hola folks, A week or so back Ben and I got to talking about free wireless access points. I know this is a popular topic these days, but the issue that Ben and I were discussing was what a local users group could do to promote something like this. We were thinking that it could

[EUG-LUG:3436] Re: Guerilla Wireless

2001-10-25 Thread Seth Cohn
Can't talk about it yet, but I've got some ideas in the works that touch on some of of the wireless net stuff we've discussed in the past. 'Free' isn't really free, and it's important to make that clear. Someone will end up paying for it, and the question is who and when and how much. I just

[EUG-LUG:3437] Re: Guerilla Wireless

2001-10-25 Thread Bob Miller
Jim Beard wrote: We were thinking that it could be cool to provide a distro on a CD thats all set up to act as a dchp server for any 802.11 card that happens to be nearby. We could try to bundle a few different monitoring and logging tools with a pretty stable distro that had modules

[EUG-LUG:3438] Unlikely Door to Door sales

2001-10-25 Thread Seth Cohn
Strange but true: I just had a knock on the door. It was someone selling stuff. He said Do you use any beef, chicken, pork, etc here? Yes, you got it, he was selling _meat_ door to door. Talk about cold calling! Driving a refridgerated truck, he clearly was doing this for a living. Sorry,

[EUG-LUG:3439] Re: Guerilla Wireless

2001-10-25 Thread larry a price
On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Bob Miller wrote: snip removed=jim beard's wifi access distro idea I'll riff on your idea. I would like to see a package with the self-describing name, Debian Appliance Kit. It would be an easy way to build a debian-based subset distro for Linux appliances. Use the

[EUG-LUG:3440] RE: Unlikely Door to Door sales

2001-10-25 Thread Tim Howe
This used to happen back home all the time... It was always stolen meat. TimH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Seth Cohn Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 4:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EUG-LUG:3438] Unlikely Door to Door

[EUG-LUG:3441] Re: Unlikely Door to Door sales

2001-10-25 Thread larry a price
You should have told him, Why should I buy from you when I can just download from freshmeat.net, for free? http://www.efn.org/~laprice( Community, Cooperation, Consensus http://www.opn.org ( Openness to serendipity, make mistakes http://www.efn.org/~laprice/poems ( but

[EUG-LUG:3442] Re: Guerilla Wireless

2001-10-25 Thread Jim Beard
'Free' isn't really free, and it's important to make that clear. Someone will end up paying for it, and the question is who and when and how much. Sure, there's deffinatly no such thing as a free lunch, or bandwidth i guess, but by 'free' I meant free to the end user. The random roving

[EUG-LUG:3443] Re: Guerilla Wireless

2001-10-25 Thread Seth Cohn
--- Jim Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Free' isn't really free, and it's important to make that clear. Someone will end up paying for it, and the question is who and when and how much. Sure, there's deffinatly no such thing as a free lunch, or bandwidth i guess, but by 'free' I

[EUG-LUG:3444] Re: Guerilla Wireless

2001-10-25 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 03:45:07PM -0700, Bob Miller wrote: Jim Beard wrote: We were thinking that it could be cool to provide a distro on a CD thats all set up to act as a dchp server for any 802.11 card that happens to be nearby. We could try to bundle a few different monitoring

[EUG-LUG:3445] Re: Guerilla Wireless

2001-10-25 Thread Bob Miller
Seth Cohn wrote: I was discussing this today with KBob, in fact, and trying to figure out a good way to track/charge, since so many spoofing/sharing possiblities arise. I'm really interested how Starbucks plans on doing this, among others who plan on selling access. I'm still mulling it

[EUG-LUG:3446] OCF/Community Village

2001-10-25 Thread Edward Craig
Euglug participates in the Oregon Country Fair under the auspices of the Doors of Expression (formerly Communications) booth in the Community Village. The Community Village general meetings are scheduled for the second Wednesday of the month in November (on the 14th) and monthly

[EUG-LUG:3448] Re: Guerilla Wireless

2001-10-25 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 04:36:16PM -0700, larry a price wrote: you could start with the 'compact' installation set, the problem (if you think it's a problem) is that you are dealing with a field of vastly varying Hardware platforms and needs. It might pay off to set up some sort of

[EUG-LUG:3449] Re: Guerilla Wireless

2001-10-25 Thread Jim Beard
Seth wrote: Oh I understand. That was why I mentioned it. The problem (as we've run into before in discussions here on the list) is that the infrastructure costs are pretty high, and I truly wonder if a 'free' service can be done long term, or in any organized fashion. Are the infrastructure

[EUG-LUG:3450] Re: Guerilla Wireless

2001-10-25 Thread Ben Barrett
I would like to point out consume.net, which has guided a lot of my inspiration on the subject. I agree with many points made, and esp. with the attitude of trying all ideas on for size to help eliminate the rumples in the carpet, so to speak. My idea (I hope to share my connection by 2002,

[EUG-LUG:3451] Re: OCF/Community Village

2001-10-25 Thread Ben Barrett
I'd like to note for the record that even though it's unenforced, it REALLY DOES make a difference if you're trying to make a difference. Beyond making a difference, you're more likely to be allocated a pass if you show up!! Beyond getting a pass, the meetings are a great way to get to know

[EUG-LUG:3452] Re: Unlikely Door to Door sales

2001-10-25 Thread Jim Darrough
On Thu, 2001-10-25 at 16:27, Seth Cohn wrote: Strange but true: I just had a knock on the door. It was someone selling stuff. He said Do you use any beef, chicken, pork, etc here? Yes, you got it, he was selling _meat_ door to door. Talk about cold calling! Driving a refridgerated

[EUG-LUG:3453] MSN bans non M$ brosers

2001-10-25 Thread Dennis Soper
Hi all, It appears Micro$loth has banned non-IE (specifically Opera, Mozill, and Konqueror) from msn.com, saying that the browsers won't render the site properly. Of course, if you download the page in another browser and save it, it works fine, and lets you navigate the site. If you tell

[EUG-LUG:3454] SuSE Linux 7.3 is out

2001-10-25 Thread Mark Bigler
Description at: http://www.suse.com/us/products/suse_linux/i386/index.html No ISOs for awhile yet, but, with a bit of work, you can install using ftp.

[EUG-LUG:3455] Re: Guerilla Wireless

2001-10-25 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 08:13:46PM -0700, Ben Barrett wrote: The bandwidth allocation problem is one of the least familiar to me -- anyone have any ideas or good links? http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=altq.conf altq lets you control the bandwidth per interface -- [EMAIL

[EUG-LUG:3456] misc parts avail until Oct 30th

2001-10-25 Thread Rob Hudson
Getting rid of some older computer parts during our move. Free to anyone who wants them. (It's mostly junk, sorry :) 33.6 Cardinal internal modem 33.6 Hayes internal modem 270 MB Quantum IDE hard drive 261 MB Seagate IDE hard drive 130 MB Maxtor IDE hard drive 4x TEAC CD-Rom drive Canon