Re: @home revisited
Given that they are scanning for standard servers, at standard ports, does this mean that you could set up services for personal use at alternative ports? For example, many people run httpd (www) at 8080 rather than the standard port 80 for some application they want to run as a normal user rather than root. I'm not an expert on port scanning, though ... do the port scanners just try normal "well-known" ports, or do they scan the port address space? --Michal I still wonder what they call a "server", though, but I guess they would call anything that runs the basic net service daemons (ftp, www, telnetd, mail, news) a "server". From the desktop market, that makes sense, but from the un*x world, it's a little silly. --Mike
Hello
Hi My name is Francis Conry. I'll be attending the U of O in thge fall and I'll be out there in about a week. I'm kind of a linux newbie so I'll be asking alot of obvious questions. I just thought I'd introduce myself! --Francis ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
Re: Hello
On Wed, Jul 26, 2000 at 11:54:40AM -0700, francis conry wrote: My name is Francis Conry. I'll be attending the U of O in thge fall and I'll be out there in about a week. I'm kind of a linux newbie so I'll be asking alot of obvious questions. I just thought I'd introduce myself! Well, welcome to our corner of the world :) -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA
Re: Welcome, newcomers!
We would all like to extend our welcome, as our support group grows. In "joining", please remember that you are a teacher as well -- I direct you to the "linux links" from our euglug.org site, where you can find: Online Help: Linux Documentation Project, HOWTO's, Hardware Database, Tips and Tricks, etc. (all HIGHLY recommended reading!!!) Linux "Guides": Newbie/Linux/Security/etc GOOD GUIDES Dot Org's: Free Software Foundation, Gimp, Kernel, ODP/dmoz, Open Source, Slashdot, XFree86, and X11 among others Distributions and Window Managers: read about your favorite, find out about alternatives ;-) also read man pages on your local system (type "man man" or ie "man chmod" at prompt) I spent a lot of time getting to know a bit of linux through the HOWTO's, although some are dated or don't apply to a specific distribution (SuSE, RedHat, Mandrake, etc)... it helped a lot, but there's a lot to wade through :-/ Well, you new folx may not see much of me, but I'm online plenty (although I'll be travelling a lot until Fall term starts), and will be lurking around... cheerio/cheers ben
what projects are you doing?
I thought it would be cool to find out what kind of unix-y projects we are all involved in. What have you been hacking on lately? What are you going to do next? I'll start. I'm more of a programmer than a hardware tinkerer so most of my projects reflect that. I love "collaborative creativity". A while ago I had a mailing list I ran that was a bunch of people working on creative writing projects together. After a while I stopped that in favor of a website and started programming for it while I learned new stuff. It turned into a site where lots of authors write "choose-your-own-adventure" type stories together. It's called StorySprawl, at http://www.storysprawl.com/ - that version is done with perl scripts and DBM files. After that I was able to get another version of it launched on my employer's equipment at http://www.talkcity.com/StorySprawl - it uses java servlets and oracle, but unfortunately no one uses the site since they don't market it. I think it's pretty cool - there's a core group of people on its mailing list that enjoy writing for it and watching the stories grow (you can also map out how they sprawl). I mostly write new utilities for it. The next project is something that will actually generate a pdf document of the books to read when they are done. The other thing I've been doing with a friend up in Portland is audio dramatizations of the chapters at http://www.mp3.com/StorySprawl . Kind of a cyoa audio-book, like an interactive radio drama (except we need more sound effects and background music). I don't really use Linux for this other than gimp to touch up some images, but it's all part of the same project. I've had plans to do a new version of it for a while - php scripts with membership, cookies, mass moderation and voting to keep the chaff out, kind of like slashdot but different... but so far I haven't felt comfortable about hosting the site on my home network, which keeps me from hyping the site too much, which keeps it from being too popular, which is less reason to upgrade it... heh. Most of my other side projects included hacking a java applet that can plays Zork-type text adventures so you can save and restore within your web browser, writing a perl-based ear training course that generates midi piano jazz chords - 7 chords and 9 chords - for chord identification (it helped my girlfriend out with her tests at UofO where she's getting a music composition degree), and a php-based "to-do list" that can do nested items, meaning it knows when you can't do certain tasks until you finish others, and keeps them out of your way. Also graphs out a bubble chart. You can see it at http://muse.clipper.net/todo/ for a sample (feel free to add or remove items). My next projects are probably to continue getting friends together to do character voices for these audio dramatizations, and finding a way to upgrade StorySprawl the rest of the way, I guess. If I could find something cooler to do, though, I probably would. anyone else? Curt
If Operating Systems were beers...
If Operating Systems were beer... AmigaDOS Beer: The company has gone out of business, but their recipe has been picked up by some weird German company, so now this beer will be an import. This beer never really sold very well because the original manufacturer didn't understand marketing. Like Unix Beer, AmigaDOS Beer fans are an extremely loyal and loud group. It originally came in a 16-oz. can, but now comes in 32-oz. cans too. When this can was originally introduced, it appeared flashy and colorful, but the design hasn't changed much over the years, so it appears dated now. Critics of this beer claim that it is only meant for watching TV anyway. DOS Beer: Requires you to use your own can opener, and requires you to read the directions carefully before opening the can. Originally only came in an 8-oz. can, but now comes in a 16-oz. can. However, the can is divided into 8 compartments of 2 oz. each, which have to be accessed separately. Soon to be discontinued, although a lot of people are going to keep drinking it after it's no longer available. Mac Beer: At first, came only a 16-oz. can, but now comes in a 32-oz. can. Considered by many to be a "light" beer. All the cans look identical. When you take one from the fridge, it opens itself. The ingredients list is not on the can. If you call to ask about the ingredients, you are told that "you don't need to know." A notice on the side reminds you to drag your empties to the trashcan. OS/2 Beer: Comes in a 32-oz can. Does allow you to drink several DOS Beers simultaneously. Allows you to drink Windows 3.1 Beer simultaneously too, but somewhat slower. Advertises that its cans won't explode when you open them, even if you shake them up. You never really see anyone drinking OS/2 Beer, but the manufacturer (International Beer Manufacturing) claims that 9 million six-packs have been sold. VMS Beer: Requires minimal user interaction, except for popping the top and sipping. However cans have been known on occasion to explode, or contain extremely un-beer-like contents. Windows 3.1 Beer: The world's most popular. Comes in a 16-oz. can that looks a lot like Mac Beer's. Requires that you already own a DOS Beer. Claims that it allows you to drink several DOS Beers simultaneously, but in reality you can only drink a few of them, very slowly, especially slowly if you are drinking the Windows Beer at the same time. Sometimes, for apparently no reason, a can of Windows Beer will explode when you open it. Windows 95 Beer: A lot of people have taste-tested it and claim it's wonderful. The can looks a lot like Mac Beer's can, but tastes more like Windows 3.1 Beer. It comes in 32-oz. cans, but when you look inside, the cans only have 16 oz. of beer in them. Most people will probably keep drinking Windows 3.1 Beer until their friends try Windows 95 Beer and say they like it. The ingredients list, when you look at the small print, has some of the same ingredients that come in DOS beer, even though the manufacturer claims that this is an entirely new brew. Windows NT Beer: Comes in 32-oz. cans, but you can only buy it by the truckload. This causes most people to have to go out and buy bigger refrigerators. The can looks just like Windows 3.1 Beer's, but the company promises to change the can to look just like Windows 95 Beer's -- after Windows 95 beer starts shipping. Touted as an "industrial strength" beer, and suggested only for use in bars. Unix Beer: Comes in several different brands, in cans ranging from 8 oz. to 64 oz. Drinkers of Unix Beer display fierce brand loyalty, even though they claim that all the different brands taste almost identical. Sometimes the pop-tops break off when you try to open them, so you have to have your own can opener around for those occasions, in which case you either need a complete set of instructions, or a friend who has been drinking Unix Beer for several years. * BSD stout: Deep, hearty, and an acquired taste. The official brewer has released the recipe, and a lot of home-brewers now use it. * Hurd beer: Long advertised by the popular and politically active GNU brewery, so far it has more head than body. The GNU brewery is mostly known for printing complete brewing instructions on every can, which contains hops, malt, barley, and yeast ... not yet fermented. * Linux brand: A recipe originally created by a drunken Finn in his basement, it has since become the home-brew of choice for impecunious brewers and Unix beer-lovers worldwide, many of whom change the recipe. * POSIX ales: Sweeter than lager, with the kick of a stout; the newer batches of a lot of beers seem to blend ale and stout or lager. * Sun brand: Long the most popular stout on the Unix market, it was discontinued in favor of a lager. * Solaris brand: A lager, intended to replace Sun brand stout. Unlike most lagers, this one has to be drunk more slowly than stout. * SysV lager: Clear and thirst-quenching, but lacking the body of
Re: If Operating Systems were beers...
This must be old I just added to it. (feel free to repost this, Rob, including wherever you found this, and on our webpages) Windows 95 Beer: A lot of people have taste-tested it and claim it's wonderful. Windows 98 Beer: Windows 95 Beer rebrewed and put into new cans, and remarketed. Only comes in a six pack: 1 can DOS beer, 1 Can Windows 3.1 beer, 2 Cans Windows 95 Beer, 1 Can Service Pack Beer, and 1 Can Internet Explorer beer. You must open the Internet Explorer beer to drink any of it. Windows 2000 beer: Looks like Windows NT beer, but doesn't turn your pee blue very often. You need a huge glass to drink it, even though it's just 32 oz. And if you want to drink with your friends, they must also all drink it, or else you can't drink with them. Plan 9 Beer: Been fermenting a long time, and isn't quite ready to drink yet still. BeOS beer: Looks really good on the outside, a flashy package, but it's mostly froth and bubbles still. Also, some Linux beers have major marketshare including: Red Hat Beer: As flat and tasteless as can be, but it's popular (The 3 penguins who belch "Red" "Hat" and "Beer" are very popular with the Super Bowl watching IT crowd) Caldera Beer: 2% beer, from the Utah crowd. No real punch, and you'll never see anyone important drinking it. Turbolinux Beer: Strong Japanese flavor, but light on substance. SuSE Beer: German brewing, it's dense and thick, and very heavy. Loaded with Yast, or is that Yeast? Slackware Beer: Doesn't come in a package, you have to bottle it yourself mostly. Debian Beer: Great beer, very filling. You never need to go buy more, it's always refilling your fridge by itself. Nobody sells it though, and you usually need some Debian beer drinker to turn you onto it. Bet you can't drink just one. Corel Beer: They built a factory around a Debian tap, and started marketing it to sell. They put it into glitzy packaging, but forgot to check the flavor. It's old, sour, and if you try to mix it with real Debian beer, it blows up. Mandrake Beer: From the Red Hat recipe, they've mixed so much stuff into this, that it's a new better flavor altogether. It's got good flavor but a poor shelf life, so replace it often. Seth
Re: what projects are you doing?
I shoot archery at a state level and am currently working on a program for choosing Arrow Shafts. This program will help archers select the right shaft for their application thus eliminating a lot of guess work. It is, of course, being developed on Mandrake 7.0 using G++ and Emacs Ron LeVine AKA Enchantir - Original Message - From: "Curt Siffert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 4:34 PM Subject: what projects are you doing? I thought it would be cool to find out what kind of unix-y projects we are all involved in. What have you been hacking on lately? What are you going to do next? I'll start. I'm more of a programmer than a hardware tinkerer so most of my projects reflect that. I love "collaborative creativity". A while ago I had a mailing list I ran that was a bunch of people working on creative writing projects together. After a while I stopped that in favor of a website and started programming for it while I learned new stuff. It turned into a site where lots of authors write "choose-your-own-adventure" type stories together. It's called StorySprawl, at http://www.storysprawl.com/ - that version is done with perl scripts and DBM files. After that I was able to get another version of it launched on my employer's equipment at http://www.talkcity.com/StorySprawl - it uses java servlets and oracle, but unfortunately no one uses the site since they don't market it. I think it's pretty cool - there's a core group of people on its mailing list that enjoy writing for it and watching the stories grow (you can also map out how they sprawl). I mostly write new utilities for it. The next project is something that will actually generate a pdf document of the books to read when they are done. The other thing I've been doing with a friend up in Portland is audio dramatizations of the chapters at http://www.mp3.com/StorySprawl . Kind of a cyoa audio-book, like an interactive radio drama (except we need more sound effects and background music). I don't really use Linux for this other than gimp to touch up some images, but it's all part of the same project. I've had plans to do a new version of it for a while - php scripts with membership, cookies, mass moderation and voting to keep the chaff out, kind of like slashdot but different... but so far I haven't felt comfortable about hosting the site on my home network, which keeps me from hyping the site too much, which keeps it from being too popular, which is less reason to upgrade it... heh. Most of my other side projects included hacking a java applet that can plays Zork-type text adventures so you can save and restore within your web browser, writing a perl-based ear training course that generates midi piano jazz chords - 7 chords and 9 chords - for chord identification (it helped my girlfriend out with her tests at UofO where she's getting a music composition degree), and a php-based "to-do list" that can do nested items, meaning it knows when you can't do certain tasks until you finish others, and keeps them out of your way. Also graphs out a bubble chart. You can see it at http://muse.clipper.net/todo/ for a sample (feel free to add or remove items). My next projects are probably to continue getting friends together to do character voices for these audio dramatizations, and finding a way to upgrade StorySprawl the rest of the way, I guess. If I could find something cooler to do, though, I probably would. anyone else? Curt
Re: If Operating Systems were beers...
Cheers to all from a Slackware homebrewer! Woody Seth Cohn wrote: This must be old I just added to it. (feel free to repost this, Rob, including wherever you found this, and on our webpages) Windows 95 Beer: A lot of people have taste-tested it and claim it's wonderful. Windows 98 Beer: Windows 95 Beer rebrewed and put into new cans, and remarketed. Only comes in a six pack: 1 can DOS beer, 1 Can Windows 3.1 beer, 2 Cans Windows 95 Beer, 1 Can Service Pack Beer, and 1 Can Internet Explorer beer. You must open the Internet Explorer beer to drink any of it. Windows 2000 beer: Looks like Windows NT beer, but doesn't turn your pee blue very often. You need a huge glass to drink it, even though it's just 32 oz. And if you want to drink with your friends, they must also all drink it, or else you can't drink with them. Plan 9 Beer: Been fermenting a long time, and isn't quite ready to drink yet still. BeOS beer: Looks really good on the outside, a flashy package, but it's mostly froth and bubbles still. Also, some Linux beers have major marketshare including: Red Hat Beer: As flat and tasteless as can be, but it's popular (The 3 penguins who belch "Red" "Hat" and "Beer" are very popular with the Super Bowl watching IT crowd) Caldera Beer: 2% beer, from the Utah crowd. No real punch, and you'll never see anyone important drinking it. Turbolinux Beer: Strong Japanese flavor, but light on substance. SuSE Beer: German brewing, it's dense and thick, and very heavy. Loaded with Yast, or is that Yeast? Slackware Beer: Doesn't come in a package, you have to bottle it yourself mostly. Debian Beer: Great beer, very filling. You never need to go buy more, it's always refilling your fridge by itself. Nobody sells it though, and you usually need some Debian beer drinker to turn you onto it. Bet you can't drink just one. Corel Beer: They built a factory around a Debian tap, and started marketing it to sell. They put it into glitzy packaging, but forgot to check the flavor. It's old, sour, and if you try to mix it with real Debian beer, it blows up. Mandrake Beer: From the Red Hat recipe, they've mixed so much stuff into this, that it's a new better flavor altogether. It's got good flavor but a poor shelf life, so replace it often. Seth
Re: If Operating Systems were beers...
I have to say.. I am a little let down by the RedHat description.. considering that I find RedHat to be pretty much all around useably enjoyable... well.. ok.. maybe no all by it's lonesome. but when you add the powertools CD it simply rocks... Seth Cohn wrote: This must be old I just added to it. (feel free to repost this, Rob, including wherever you found this, and on our webpages) Windows 95 Beer: A lot of people have taste-tested it and claim it's wonderful. Windows 98 Beer: Windows 95 Beer rebrewed and put into new cans, and remarketed. Only comes in a six pack: 1 can DOS beer, 1 Can Windows 3.1 beer, 2 Cans Windows 95 Beer, 1 Can Service Pack Beer, and 1 Can Internet Explorer beer. You must open the Internet Explorer beer to drink any of it. Windows 2000 beer: Looks like Windows NT beer, but doesn't turn your pee blue very often. You need a huge glass to drink it, even though it's just 32 oz. And if you want to drink with your friends, they must also all drink it, or else you can't drink with them. Plan 9 Beer: Been fermenting a long time, and isn't quite ready to drink yet still. BeOS beer: Looks really good on the outside, a flashy package, but it's mostly froth and bubbles still. Also, some Linux beers have major marketshare including: Red Hat Beer: As flat and tasteless as can be, but it's popular (The 3 penguins who belch "Red" "Hat" and "Beer" are very popular with the Super Bowl watching IT crowd) Caldera Beer: 2% beer, from the Utah crowd. No real punch, and you'll never see anyone important drinking it. Turbolinux Beer: Strong Japanese flavor, but light on substance. SuSE Beer: German brewing, it's dense and thick, and very heavy. Loaded with Yast, or is that Yeast? Slackware Beer: Doesn't come in a package, you have to bottle it yourself mostly. Debian Beer: Great beer, very filling. You never need to go buy more, it's always refilling your fridge by itself. Nobody sells it though, and you usually need some Debian beer drinker to turn you onto it. Bet you can't drink just one. Corel Beer: They built a factory around a Debian tap, and started marketing it to sell. They put it into glitzy packaging, but forgot to check the flavor. It's old, sour, and if you try to mix it with real Debian beer, it blows up. Mandrake Beer: From the Red Hat recipe, they've mixed so much stuff into this, that it's a new better flavor altogether. It's got good flavor but a poor shelf life, so replace it often. Seth
Re: If Operating Systems were beers...
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Magnus wrote: I have to say.. I am a little let down by the RedHat description.. considering that I find RedHat to be pretty much all around useably enjoyable... well.. ok.. maybe no all by it's lonesome. but when you add the powertools CD it simply rocks... and you probably drink Bud too... :) "Hey, it's cheap and filling" Seth
