Re: [eug-lug]gentoo install problems
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 03:49:00PM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote: I was going to go for a stage3 install just to try it out. But that leads me to another question... instead of syncing and having to compile all kinds of stuff as the install gets old, can I just grab the new stage3 packages, say, when 2004.1 comes out and untar it? Would that function like an easy upgrade or no? I looked for binary gentoo packages, but never found them. Apparently they are on the live cd, but not on obvious intenet servers. I basically want to surf the web and ssh to my workstation. I doubt I'll even keep personal files on there so come upgrade time, I could even scrap the whole thing if need be. Ah, but you'll find other needs. tcpdump, traceroute, strace, gaim, this and that wasn't installed. Ooh, new version of whatever Let's see, nothing on the system, no cdrom drive, no floppy drive only a pcmcia port. You aren't getting anything on that system unless the bios can boot off of pcmcia/usb. Alternatively, why don't you take out the mini-ide drive, get a mini-ide to ide converter and copy debian on it. If you have a running debian system, you can just copy it, run lilo and you are good to go. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to Your (858) 705-1655 Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]OT: Searching for good A+ Certification manual
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 04:37:17PM -0800, Jason Dommasch wrote: I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a good A+ Certification prep manual. Search on google for online a+ certification tests and tutorials. That's what I used to get mine. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to Your (858) 705-1655 Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Mouse scroll wheel stoped working after 2.6 kernel upgrade
I have the same situation with my laptop except it's kernel 2.6.0. The ZAxisMapping was missing from XF86Config and I added it back in. Still no joy. Keep us posted. I was just getting ready to upgrade the kernel on my desktop when I saw your message. Now I'm going to wait. Thanks jgw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Stats: - Fresh Slackware 9.1 install (w/ patches) - Kernel 2.6.4 with usb mouse support - ASUS A7V600 mobo - Dropline GNOME When I was using the 2.4.24 kernel, I added the ZAxisMapping option to my XF86Config and my usb mouse's (Microsoft optical mouse) scroll wheel worked fine in X/GNOME. I upgraded to 2.6.4 and now the scroll wheel doesn't work, although my mouse does. Googled, tried killing gpm, still a no go. Any ideas on what avenues to explore next? Are there any hidden scrollwheel options in the kernel config I'm missing? /jgw ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
RE: [eug-lug]HELLO!
I got this modem used and I really didn't use it so I've been playing with the modem to see if it is ok. I have been getting some intermittent login errors and normally these modems are rock solid. I have two other US Robotics Externals that I use regularly with no problems. I did test it with windows / Redhat 8.0 and was getting on at 50k. I say its o.k., but if you have some problems just remember this. Your going to need the transformer (9V at 1000 mA) and a serial to parallel cable (modem 25 pin com1 9 pin.) I will drop it off at EFN on Friday morning. Enjoy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of happy life skills foundation Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:35 PM To: The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group's mail list Subject: RE: [eug-lug]HELLO! YES that would be GREAT Stick my name on it and i'll come by and get it...thanks! ken On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, baggab wrote: I have a external US robotics 56K modem without the AC/DC adaptor (transformer) for you. These are relatively easy to come by (9 V 1000 mA output.) Maybe someone on the list has the other half. I will pass it along to EFN if you want it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of happy life skills foundation Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [eug-lug]HELLO! hi you guys it's ken silverman remember the guy you helped partition his drive and put lynux on last thursday? so i'm trying to get the modem to respond and get on line using lynux but i don't know how! can you help? the modem is configured and working on the other operating system side of the partition but i'd love to set up lynux so i can use it for online operations and DITCH the other operating system...thanks guys! ken ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]gentoo install problems
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 01:36:43PM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote: I tried to install Gentoo on my laptop last night but my CDROM is flaky... sometimes it can read from it but sometimes it fails. The bad part is when doing something like mke2fs and it fails, then something (bash?) remembers that and doesn't try to spin up the CD again. Kbob pointed out this set of instructions... Installation from a boot floppy HOWTO http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=8690 So now my task is to find a good floppy boot disk that has PCMCIA and network modules. Any recommendations? Should I build my own? I can make a kernel for generic x86 with pcmcia and build a rescue floppy, can't I? What's on the laptop right now? If it is any distribution of linux, just do a bootstrap install over the network. The gentoo install howto will tell you how to. ;) Also, I wouldn't recommend gentoo for a laptop. Long compiling times will heat up the laptop more than it was designed for. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to Your (858) 705-1655 Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]gentoo install problems
Cory Petkovsek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: SNIP Also, I wouldn't recommend gentoo for a laptop. Long compiling times will heat up the laptop more than it was designed for. Cory Folding makes it hot too. ; -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]gentoo install problems
On 20040324.1518, Cory Petkovsek said ... What's on the laptop right now? If it is any distribution of linux, just do a bootstrap install over the network. The gentoo install howto will tell you how to. ;) Well, I *used to* have Debian on it. It was in a bad state so I thought I'd try upgrading it with Gentoo. But I already changed the partitions and other things, so bootstrapping won't work anymore. Also, I wouldn't recommend gentoo for a laptop. Long compiling times will heat up the laptop more than it was designed for. I was going to go for a stage3 install just to try it out. But that leads me to another question... instead of syncing and having to compile all kinds of stuff as the install gets old, can I just grab the new stage3 packages, say, when 2004.1 comes out and untar it? Would that function like an easy upgrade or no? I basically want to surf the web and ssh to my workstation. I doubt I'll even keep personal files on there so come upgrade time, I could even scrap the whole thing if need be. -Rob ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]OT: Searching for good A+ Certification manual
Hey, come to think of it, I haven't seen my book in some time. I wonder if the guy who borrowed it is still around. If it counts.. I went for the red one. I don't remember exactly which publisher but I skimmed through it over a month's time and took my tests. The tests have gotten easier since they're adaptive. --- Jason Dommasch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a good A+ Certification prep manual. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]OT: Searching for good A+ Certification manual
Jason: It's been awhile (1998), but when I did it, the Exam Cram book was pretty helpful. Jason --- Jason Dommasch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a good A+ Certification prep manual. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Looking for a PCMCIA Ethernet card
I think we have a cardbus one at work for sale. You're welcome to bring your laptop by and try it. --- Bob Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have a Linux compatible PCMCIA Ethernet card they'd like to unload? 10 Mbit/sec is fine. Alternately, who in town sells them? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]gentoo install problems
HA!! Overclocking, folding, and compiling while playing a game keeps a CPU really warm ;-) --- Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cory Petkovsek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: SNIP Also, I wouldn't recommend gentoo for a laptop. Long compiling times will heat up the laptop more than it was designed for. Cory Folding makes it hot too. ; __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Mouse scroll wheel stoped working after 2.6 kernel upgrade
I still use this optical mouse on PS/2 and it has worked fine on every kernel so far. I haven't gone 2.6 on my Shuttle yet (w/Slack 9.1) because I use USB keyboard and mouse and the 2.6 USB boot stuff has changed to I don't know what. --- Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the same situation with my laptop except it's kernel 2.6.0. The ZAxisMapping was missing from XF86Config and I added it back in. Still no joy. Keep us posted. I was just getting ready to upgrade the kernel on my desktop when I saw your message. Now I'm going to wait. Thanks jgw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Stats: - Fresh Slackware 9.1 install (w/ patches) - Kernel 2.6.4 with usb mouse support - ASUS A7V600 mobo - Dropline GNOME __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Looking for a PCMCIA Ethernet card
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 10:20:11AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Anyone have a Linux compatible PCMCIA Ethernet card they'd like to unload? 10 Mbit/sec is fine. Alternately, who in town sells them? Staples does, though probably only Linksys and Netgear. I don't even think they sell them at the UO bookstore these days. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
RE: [eug-lug]HELLO!
I have a external US robotics 56K modem without the AC/DC adaptor (transformer) for you. These are relatively easy to come by (9 V 1000 mA output.) Maybe someone on the list has the other half. I will pass it along to EFN if you want it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of happy life skills foundation Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [eug-lug]HELLO! hi you guys it's ken silverman remember the guy you helped partition his drive and put lynux on last thursday? so i'm trying to get the modem to respond and get on line using lynux but i don't know how! can you help? the modem is configured and working on the other operating system side of the partition but i'd love to set up lynux so i can use it for online operations and DITCH the other operating system...thanks guys! ken ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
RE: [eug-lug]HELLO!
A universal adapter will work too. Just don't try finding what I need. DC 24V 1.2A! Nobody in town has that but Radio Hack, Norvac, WalMart, and others have the universals for as little as $10. --- baggab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a external US robotics 56K modem without the AC/DC adaptor (transformer) for you. These are relatively easy to come by (9 V 1000 mA output.) Maybe someone on the list has the other half. I will pass it along to EFN if you want it. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]HELLO!
Okay, if everybody is giving away external 56K modems, I'd like one. It'd be handy for emergencies (when the DSL goes out). Thanks. -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] Networking 2 UNIX variants : SAMBA on Mac X Linux?
Thanks for helping a Criminally End User use a OX (UNIX) with some power. Hal Crossover cable, ifconfig eth0 192.168.?.? up for each machine. Deciding how to move file between boxes leaves alot open for debate. I personally use NFS and Samba between my boxes. Yup, Mr O. --- Leo Rivers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Networking 2 UNIX variants : Mac OS X and Linux (S.u.S.E. 9.0) This is my situation: I have a Wintel Laptop running S.u.S.E. Linux 9.0 and a Apple Macintosh G-4 running Mac OS X (Panther) BOTh are running, therefore, UNIX variants. BOTh have EitherNet ports. (Big Phone Jacks) I want to connect them EitherNet PEER-to-PEER. How do I do it. In specific: 1.) How do I make them aware of each other? 2.) How do I assign DNS numbers and names - ( #.#.#.# : subgenius.com ) 3.) How do I find a GUI way to co-ordinate their Hellos and Good-Byes? 4.) Can they Be PEER to PEER? 5.) Is file transfer a 2 way street? Thank you very much for WHATEVER help and guidance you can give me. My local Mac Store was in the dark. Hal ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]CD Burning via IDE/ATAPI
On 20040322.1507, Jacob Meuser said ... On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 02:07:15PM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote: According to the 2.6.x kernels, using ide-scsi isn't the way to go anymore when burning discs. I've compiled my kernel so the burner is in IDE/ATAPI mode, but can't seem to burn images like I used to be able to. I can detect my drive ok[1]. But can't record to it for some reason[2]. cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus 0,1,0 1) '_NEC' 'NR-7900A' '1.23' Removable CD-ROM cdrecord -dev=ATAPI speed=16 -v -audio -dao *.wav cdrecord: Cannot do inquiry for CD/DVD-Recorder. have you tried dev=ATAPI:0,1,0 or dev=/dev/hdx ? That seems to work. Thanks. :) ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] Networking WHY is SSP NOT compatible with Panther?
Networking 2 UNIX variants : Mac OS X and Linux (S.u.S.E. 9.0) - WHY is SSP NOT compatible with Panther? Any work-arounds? Thanks Hal QUOTE : SSP is NOT compatible with Panther : UNQUOTE http://xamba.sourceforge.net/index.shtml Original Message: Networking 2 UNIX variants : Mac OS X and Linux (S.u.S.E. 9.0) This is my situation: I have a Wintel Laptop running S.u.S.E. Linux 9.0 and a Apple Macintosh G-4 running Mac OS X (Panther) BOTh are running, therefore, UNIX variants. BOTh have EitherNet ports. (Big Phone Jacks) I want to connect them EitherNet PEER-to-PEER. How do I do it. In specific: 1.) How do I make them aware of each other? 2.) How do I assign DNS numbers and names - ( #.#.#.# : subgenius.com ) 3.) How do I find a GUI way to co-ordinate their Hellos and Good-Byes? 4.) Can they Be PEER to PEER? 5.) Is file transfer a 2 way street? Thank you very much for WHATEVER help and guidance you can give me. The folks I talked to the last time I was in your Mac Store were somewhat in the dark. Hal ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
RE: [eug-lug]HELLO!
YES that would be GREAT Stick my name on it and i'll come by and get it...thanks! ken On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, baggab wrote: I have a external US robotics 56K modem without the AC/DC adaptor (transformer) for you. These are relatively easy to come by (9 V 1000 mA output.) Maybe someone on the list has the other half. I will pass it along to EFN if you want it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of happy life skills foundation Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [eug-lug]HELLO! hi you guys it's ken silverman remember the guy you helped partition his drive and put lynux on last thursday? so i'm trying to get the modem to respond and get on line using lynux but i don't know how! can you help? the modem is configured and working on the other operating system side of the partition but i'd love to set up lynux so i can use it for online operations and DITCH the other operating system...thanks guys! ken ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] Networking WHY is SSP NOT compatible with Panther?
Around Tue,Mar 23 2004, at 01:31, Harald Sundt, wrote: Networking 2 UNIX variants : Mac OS X and Linux (S.u.S.E. 9.0) - WHY is SSP NOT compatible with Panther? Any work-arounds? Did you ask the guy that used to spend his time developing why he chooses not to make it compatible? Apple seems to like to change it's networking stuff around with every .x revision example: http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=07594 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]HELLO!
hi again! i tried to look in my setups for the chipset. the whole thing is a CMOS setup, by Award software. i looked under chipset features but didnt' see a brand name or anything. if i need to get a modem what should i get? thanks! ken On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Mr O wrote: What kind of modem? What chipset? Conexant, Lucent, Agere, USR? Most likely a Win-modem. You might have to spring for a hardware modem for reliable use in linux. --- happy life skills foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi you guys it's ken silverman remember the guy you helped partition his drive and put lynux on last thursday? so i'm trying to get the modem to respond and get on line using lynux but i don't know how! can you help? the modem is configured and working on the other operating system side of the partition but i'd love to set up lynux so i can use it for online operations and DITCH the other operating system...thanks guys! ken __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]HELLO!
to help debug this you will probably need to supply the following info the output of dmesg (excerpt the line where it says something about your modem) the output of lsmod so that we know what kernel drivers are already loaded You should also make sure you can find thhe modem configurator (this will depend on your desktop/distro) in a pinch you can use pppconfig On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 12:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an Intel HaM Data Fax Voice modem. i'll check on the chipset and get back..thanks! Ken Quoting Mr O [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What kind of modem? What chipset? Conexant, Lucent, Agere, USR? Most likely a Win-modem. You might have to spring for a hardware modem for reliable use in linux. --- happy life skills foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi you guys it's ken silverman remember the guy you helped partition his drive and put lynux on last thursday? so i'm trying to get the modem to respond and get on line using lynux but i don't know how! can you help? the modem is configured and working on the other operating system side of the partition but i'd love to set up lynux so i can use it for online operations and DITCH the other operating system...thanks guys! ken __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Metaphors for system administration --- bailing the titanic with paper cups: or polishing the deck chairs thereof steering an iceberg with a broom: nonexciting challenges await you capturing runaway bulldozers:once is chance, twice coincidence, ... ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
RE: [eug-lug]HELLO!
hi again! i tried to look in my setups for the chipset. the whole thing is a CMOS setup, by Award software. i looked under chipset features but didnt' see a brand name or anything. If you go to the Other OS you can list the properties. That should tell you what model it is. if i need to get a modem what should i get? If you don't mind an extra box, an external modem is much easier to setup and troubleshoot. I have a number of USR 56k Externals that I have had nothing but good luck with. Of course now that I have broadband, I don't mess with modems anymore thanks! ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]CD Burning via IDE/ATAPI
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 02:07:15PM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote: According to the 2.6.x kernels, using ide-scsi isn't the way to go anymore when burning discs. I've compiled my kernel so the burner is in IDE/ATAPI mode, but can't seem to burn images like I used to be able to. I can detect my drive ok[1]. But can't record to it for some reason[2]. cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus 0,1,0 1) '_NEC' 'NR-7900A' '1.23' Removable CD-ROM cdrecord -dev=ATAPI speed=16 -v -audio -dao *.wav cdrecord: Cannot do inquiry for CD/DVD-Recorder. have you tried dev=ATAPI:0,1,0 or dev=/dev/hdx ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]HELLO!
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 01:24:08PM -0800, happy life skills foundation wrote: hi again! i tried to look in my setups for the chipset. the whole thing is a CMOS setup, by Award software. i looked under chipset features but didnt' see a brand name or anything. if i need to get a modem what should i get? If you need another modem, it should be the external serial variety. I had one of these, but I think last fall I gave it to someone or other. The external serial port modems are the ones that are essentially guaranteed to work. Non-winmodem ISA modems work, and with the right drivers about half of the PCI modems out there work. USB is hit and miss for modems. PCMCIA usually works, but not always. External serial is the safe bet. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] Networking 2 UNIX variants : Mac OS X and Linux (S.u.S.E. 9.0)
Crossover cable, ifconfig eth0 192.168.?.? up for each machine. Deciding how to move file between boxes leaves alot open for debate. I personally use NFS and Samba between my boxes. Yup, Mr O. --- Leo Rivers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Networking 2 UNIX variants : Mac OS X and Linux (S.u.S.E. 9.0) This is my situation: I have a Wintel Laptop running S.u.S.E. Linux 9.0 and a Apple Macintosh G-4 running Mac OS X (Panther) BOTh are running, therefore, UNIX variants. BOTh have EitherNet ports. (Big Phone Jacks) I want to connect them EitherNet PEER-to-PEER. How do I do it. In specific: 1.) How do I make them aware of each other? 2.) How do I assign DNS numbers and names - ( #.#.#.# : subgenius.com ) 3.) How do I find a GUI way to co-ordinate their Hellos and Good-Byes? 4.) Can they Be PEER to PEER? 5.) Is file transfer a 2 way street? Thank you very much for WHATEVER help and guidance you can give me. My local Mac Store was in the dark. Hal ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]stream limits? or algorithm help
Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 09:15:02AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: What is the limit on streams? I still would like to know the max stream count. Is it file descriptors? If so what is that, 65535? So I could use 'echo blah 65535' (didn't seem to work)? bash$ ulimit -a | grep open open files(-n) 1024 tcsh% limit | grep desc descriptors 1024 -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]stream limits? or algorithm help
Jacob Meuser wrote: #!/bin/sh TEMPDIR=`mktemp -d` while read addr junk do dom=`echo $addr | cut -d '@' -f 2` echo $addr OK $TEMPDIR/$dom done MYDIR=`pwd` cd $TEMPDIR for i in * do sort $i echo $i REJECT done cd $MYDIR rm -rf $TEMPDIR exit 0 Very good! (-: May I suggest one small improvement? Set up a trap handler to delete the temp dir. That way it'll be cleaned up even if the script is interrupted (e.g., you pipe the output through less and quit before reaching the end). #!/bin/sh TEMPDIR=`mktemp -d` trap 'rm -rf $TEMPDIR' EXIT # ... rest of script ... -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]stream limits? or algorithm help
On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 12:07:29AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: #!/bin/sh TEMPDIR=`mktemp -d` while read addr junk do dom=`echo $addr | cut -d '@' -f 2` echo $addr OK $TEMPDIR/$dom done MYDIR=`pwd` cd $TEMPDIR for i in * do sort $i echo $i REJECT done cd $MYDIR rm -rf $TEMPDIR exit 0 Very good! (-: Thanks :) May I suggest one small improvement? Set up a trap handler to delete the temp dir. That way it'll be cleaned up even if the script is interrupted (e.g., you pipe the output through less and quit before reaching the end). #!/bin/sh TEMPDIR=`mktemp -d` trap 'rm -rf $TEMPDIR' EXIT # ... rest of script ... Thanks for the pointer. I was actually just looking at such trap handlers in the XFree86 build scripts. Also, this part: MYDIR=`pwd` cd $TEMPDIR for i in * do sort $i echo $i REJECT done cd $MYDIR rm -rf $TEMPDIR could be replaced with: for i in $TEMPDIR/* do sort $i echo `basename $i` REJECT done -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]HELLO!
I have an external modem, it works wonders. Connects through a serial port, works with anything, plus I can use it for troubleshooting. I'd recommend springing for the extra dough if you are going to be forced to use dialup, as I also got better connection speeds with it, and used less resources on my computer. Chris On Mar 22, 2004, at 12:01 AM, Mr O wrote: What kind of modem? What chipset? Conexant, Lucent, Agere, USR? Most likely a Win-modem. You might have to spring for a hardware modem for reliable use in linux. --- happy life skills foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi you guys it's ken silverman remember the guy you helped partition his drive and put lynux on last thursday? so i'm trying to get the modem to respond and get on line using lynux but i don't know how! can you help? the modem is configured and working on the other operating system side of the partition but i'd love to set up lynux so i can use it for online operations and DITCH the other operating system...thanks guys! ken __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]freebsd mv symlink moves linked dir?!
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 09:46:41PM -0801, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 05:37:37PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: Here I figured out more specifics. linux client/solaris nfs: $ ls -l lrwxrwxrwx1 cory cory7 Mar 18 21:31 burn - ../burn drwxr-xr-x3 cory cory 512 Mar 19 2004 pub $ ls -ld ../burn drwxr-sr-x8 cory cory 512 Mar 19 2004 ../burn $ mv burn pub $ ls -l drwxr-xr-x3 cory cory 512 Mar 19 2004 pub $ ls -l pub lrwxrwxrwx1 cory cory7 Mar 18 21:31 burn - ../burn so, pub/burn ends up pointing to burn, which does not exist, correct? It continues to point to ../burn in this case. However on freebsd if I type mv burn/ pub it moves the target directory, not the symlink: $ ls -ld ../burn drwxr-sr-x 8 cory 10 512 Mar 19 17:21 ../burn/ $ ls -l lrwxrwxrwx 1 cory 10 7 Mar 19 17:22 burn@ - ../burn drwxr-xr-x 3 cory cory 512 Mar 19 17:30 pub/ $ mv burn/ pub $ ll lrwxrwxrwx 1 cory 10 7 Mar 19 17:22 burn@ - ../burn drwxr-xr-x 4 cory cory 512 Mar 19 17:30 pub/ $ ls -ld ../burn ls: ../burn: No such file or directory so burn (the directory) moved to pub/? Yes and burn@ remained, continuing to point to ../burn which is no longer there. What's most odd to me is that both scenarios end up with a symlink to nothing. Perhaps the lesson is to not mv a symlink because it's behaviour is undefined ... or at least varies by implementation. Only in these scenarios because the symlink is relative. If the symlink was absolute, it would have remained valid in both scenarios. Why would it be undefined? The freebsd symlink(7) page says symlinks are files that act as pointers to other files. What's wrong with moving a file from one place to another? The oddity to me is the subtle difference between mv burn pub and mv burn/ pub on freebsd produces quite different results, whereas there is no distinction on either linux or solaris. symlink(7) on OpenBSD says: If it is explicitly intended that the command operate on the symbolic link instead of following the symbolic link -- e.g., it is desired that ``chown owner slink'' change the ownership of ``slink'', not of what it points to -- the -h option should be used. In the above example, ``chown owner slink'' would change the owner of ``afile'' to ``owner'', while ``chown -h owner slink'' would change the ownership of ``slink''. This is good, having a mandatory option to act in a different manner. There are several exceptions to this rule. The mv(1) and rm(1) commands do not follow symbolic links named as arguments, but respectively attempt to rename and delete them. This is the crux. It is wrong in the case of 'burn/'. The above paragraphed is nearly verbatim what the freebsd symlink(7) man page says. I'm curious what openbsd's behavior is in this scenario. Please try it: cd /tmp ; mkdir a b a/c ; cd a ; ln -s ../b; mv b/ c; ls -l c On linux/solaris this shows me a link: lrwxrwxrwx 1 cory staff 4 Mar 20 00:38 b - ../b On freebsd this shows me a directory: drwxr-xr-x 2 cory wheel 512 Mar 20 00:45 b/ (Note that if the symbolic link references a file via a relative path, moving it to another directory may very well cause it to stop working, since the path may no longer be correct.) This is an obvious caveat on any system. The behaviour of you example is like on Linux. I'm not sure what this means. I have not been able to reproduce the freebsd results on linux or solaris. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to Your (858) 705-1655 Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] Unix/Linux Optimization- ProgramsNeed for?
I am not sure what you mean by optimization hdparm will allow you to control ATA/IDE disk parameters. Warning make a bootdisk before using. If you mean defragging Harald Sundt wrote: In Unix/Linux is there a need for Optimization and which are the best programs for this? I come from a traditional Mac Background. I run a Mac Household. There optimizing really helped. The work I've done for clients (I am a Home Health Aide), using Windoze has shown me that they can do their optimizing without going to a Boot-Up Disk, unlike a Mac that can't do optimizing of a drive you boot from. I VAGUELY recall a Linux maven saying Unix drive doesn't need optimizing they're swap disks are so efficient. Now I've just done a job optimizing my Mac OS X G-4 and it worked out so well I'm eye-balling my SuSE 9.1 Laptop. It is quivering in anticipation. My question is: Should I? And what program is best? Thanks Hal ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] Unix/Linux Optimization- ProgramsNeed for?
On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 11:53:47AM -0800, Harald Sundt wrote: In Unix/Linux is there a need for Optimization and which are the best programs for this? I come from a traditional Mac Background. I run a Mac Household. There optimizing really helped. The work I've done for clients (I am a Home Health Aide), using Windoze has shown me that they can do their optimizing without going to a Boot-Up Disk, unlike a Mac that can't do optimizing of a drive you boot from. I VAGUELY recall a Linux maven saying Unix drive doesn't need optimizing they're swap disks are so efficient. Windows' optimizing involves defragmenting the drive. MacOS X optimizing is simply updating the prebinding so that programs load a bit faster. Prebinding is available for Linux and some flavors do it. Most didn't, although the advantages are big enough I'll expect that to change more and more over time. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] I guess I mean Defragmentation- ProgramsNeed for?
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Re: [eug-lug]freebsd mv symlink moves linked dir?!
On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:44:22AM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote:
$ ls -l pub
lrwxrwxrwx1 cory cory7 Mar 18 21:31 burn - ../burn
so, pub/burn ends up pointing to burn, which does not exist, correct?
It continues to point to ../burn in this case.
pub/../burn or pub/../../burn ? It looks like it points to pub/../burn
to me (which doesn't exist), unless linux translates relative links.
What's most odd to me is that both scenarios end up with a symlink to
nothing. Perhaps the lesson is to not mv a symlink because it's behaviour
is undefined ... or at least varies by implementation.
Only in these scenarios because the symlink is relative. If the symlink was
absolute, it would have remained valid in both scenarios.
True, but that was not the example.
Why would it be
undefined? The freebsd symlink(7) page says symlinks are files that act as
pointers to other files.
Well, it is now pointing to nothing, rather than a file.
What's wrong with moving a file from one place to
another?
That's pretty general, I can think of lots of situations where it's not
good to move a file, but staying with the discussion, it's because moving
relative symlinks creates confusion.
The oddity to me is the subtle difference between mv burn pub and mv burn/
pub on freebsd produces quite different results, whereas there is no
distinction on either linux or solaris.
Well, 'something' and 'something/' are different on BSD.
symlink(7) on OpenBSD says:
If it is explicitly intended that the command operate on the symbolic
link instead of following the symbolic link -- e.g., it is desired that
``chown owner slink'' change the ownership of ``slink'', not of what it
points to -- the -h option should be used. In the above example, ``chown
owner slink'' would change the owner of ``afile'' to ``owner'', while
``chown -h owner slink'' would change the ownership of ``slink''.
This is good, having a mandatory option to act in a different manner.
There are several exceptions to this rule. The mv(1) and rm(1) commands
do not follow symbolic links named as arguments, but respectively attempt
to rename and delete them.
This is the crux. It is wrong in the case of 'burn/'. The above paragraphed
is nearly verbatim what the freebsd symlink(7) man page says. I'm curious what
openbsd's behavior is in this scenario. Please try it:
cd /tmp ; mkdir a b a/c ; cd a ; ln -s ../b; mv b/ c; ls -l c
On linux/solaris this shows me a link:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 cory staff 4 Mar 20 00:38 b - ../b
On freebsd this shows me a directory:
drwxr-xr-x 2 cory wheel 512 Mar 20 00:45 b/
On OpenBSD the same as FreeBSD. 's#mv b/ c#mv b c#' and it's the same
as Linux. something != something/
The behaviour of you example is like on Linux.
I'm not sure what this means.
That example behaved the same on OpenBSD as it did for Linux.
I have not been able to reproduce the freebsd
results on linux or solaris.
The difference is that in the case of symlinks pointing to directories
('something' as an example), 'something/' points to the directory
rooted in 'something' on BSD, and 'something/' is the same pointer
as 'something' on SysV. On both systems, 'something' has the same
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Re: [eug-lug] Unix/Linux Optimization- ProgramsNeed for?
On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:58:52PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: Windows' optimizing involves defragmenting the drive. It also involves cleaning out the continually accumulating crap from the registry. There are a few programs that do this, but the best method is reinstall. Unix systems don't have a centralized database that every action refers to, thus generally run at top speed. For disk access, I have not yet heard of disk defragmentation ever being an issue. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to Your (858) 705-1655 Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]stream limits? or algorithm help
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 09:15:02AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: What is the limit on streams? I still would like to know the max stream count. Is it file descriptors? If so what is that, 65535? So I could use 'echo blah 65535' (didn't seem to work)? This seems like a task that is simple in Python or Perl, but less simple as a shell script. Assuming you have the first file above as stdin, either of the attached scripts produces the second file. Thanks for the scripts. Of course a hash of arrays is the _obvious_ solution! Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to Your (858) 705-1655 Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]stream limits? or algorithm help
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 09:15:02AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote:
This seems like a task that is simple in Python or Perl, but less
simple as a shell script.
#!/usr/bin/env python
import fileinput
users = {}
for line in fileinput.input():
addr = line.strip()
domain = addr.split('@')[-1]
users.setdefault(domain, []).append(addr)
domains = users.keys()
domains.sort()# Sort domains so successive
# versions of this file can be
# diff'ed.
for domain in domains:
u = users[domain]
u.sort()# Sort users for the same reason.
for user in u:
print user, 'OK'
print domain, 'REJECT'
#!/bin/sh
TEMPDIR=`mktemp -d`
while read addr junk
do
dom=`echo $addr | cut -d '@' -f 2`
echo $addr OK $TEMPDIR/$dom
done
MYDIR=`pwd`
cd $TEMPDIR
for i in *
do
sort $i
echo $i REJECT
done
cd $MYDIR
rm -rf $TEMPDIR
exit 0
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Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
I'm having trouble getting Sendmail to understand I want it to talk to SpamassMilter. In poking around looking for an answer, I got to thinking that Procmail is already filtering the way I want. How do I have Procmail forward this filtered email to another box in the same domain? This section sends mail to a folder: :0: * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes $HOME/mail/caughtspam Can $HOME/mail/caughtspam be changed to: forwardto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dropping * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes of course. What's the correct syntax for: forwardto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Bob Larry Price ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: there is a milter to call spamassassin On Monday, March 8, 2004, at 07:44 AM, Bob Crandell wrote: It's amazing how great minds think alike. This is exactly what I'm trying to do. What I'm not sure of is the how to part. How to have this intermediate box filter mail without having to create users. Ok, I don't need Procmail. How do I call SpamAssassin directly from Sendmail? Thanks John Sechrest ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You can always use an intermediate spam filter on an intermediate machine. You first need to set up a linux/unix box with spam assasin on it as you want. Then you need to set the system up to deliver to the exchange server. Then you want to set the MX records for the domain of the exchange system to point at the linux/unix box. This is how we seperate the FrontEnd mail server from the BackEnd mail servers. The front end has the RBL code in it, and spam assassin and the Milter rules. You don't use procmail, because you are not delivering to a mail box. You use the initial spam filtering tools. If there are things in procmail, which you can't write in sendmail, then you can force it to process the messages. But almost everything that I would put into procmail is better put into the sendmail rules on the front end box. Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: % Hi, % % One of my clients is asking for a SPAM filter for his Exchange server. No % wise cracks. He's stuck and he knows it. % % What I was planning on putting in was Sendmail/Procmail/SpamAssassin store and % forward mail server. My question is can I and how do I do this without % creating users on the mail server? % % Thanks % Bob % % -- % Assured Computing, Inc. % When you need to be sure. % http://www.assuredcomp.com/ % P.O. Box 40814 % Eugene, OR 97404 % Voice - 541-868-0331 % FAX - 541-463-1627 % % % ___ % EuG-LUG mailing list % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug - John Sechrest . Helping people use . computers and the Internet .more effectively . . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug you capturing runaway bulldozers:once is chance, twice coincidence, ... ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]stream limits? or algorithm help
Cory Petkovsek wrote:
What is the limit on streams?
Here's what I'm intending to do and perhaps someone has a better solution:
I have a list of email addresses for a virtual email host:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I want to group by domain, append an ' OK' and insert a '$domain REJECT' after
each domain block. The output should look like this:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] OK
[EMAIL PROTECTED] OK
[EMAIL PROTECTED] OK
happy.com REJECT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] OK
blah.com REJECT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] OK
test.org REJECT
This seems like a task that is simple in Python or Perl, but less
simple as a shell script. Assuming you have the first file above as
stdin, either of the attached scripts produces the second file.
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#!/usr/bin/env python
import fileinput
users = {}
for line in fileinput.input():
addr = line.strip()
domain = addr.split('@')[-1]
users.setdefault(domain, []).append(addr)
domains = users.keys()
domains.sort() # Sort domains so successive
# versions of this file can be
# diff'ed.
for domain in domains:
u = users[domain]
u.sort()# Sort users for the same reason.
for user in u:
print user, 'OK'
print domain, 'REJECT'
cory.pl
Description: Perl program
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Re: [eug-lug]combining shell streams
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 08:07:24PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 03:13:09PM -0800, Jason wrote:
I am an awk user by habit and would usually do an:
$ awk -F: '{print $1}' /etc/passwd
for this, but cut saves some typing and seems more
logical for these cases where you don't need to do
selective (regex) printing.
What you typed is about the limit of my awk knowledge. Cut has the annoying
condition that delimeters are one character. So if there is some input:
happy.comOK
test.com REJECT
$ cut -f 2 -d \-- space after \
Will print a space, specifically the 2nd space after the com on each column.
$ awk '{print $2}'
will print the OK and REJECT column.
Well, the default delimiter for cut is a tab. Cut can also select
byte or character lists. So if your example always has the OK/REJECT
column at character 14, then `cut -c 14-` would work for you. If all
your characters are one byte, `cut -c 14` would work also.
I think cut was originally written to be able select entries out
of databases, which usually use a well defined delimiter or position,
not just any sequence of white space.
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Re: [eug-lug]freebsd mv symlink moves linked dir?!
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 09:16:59PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: Over a solaris nfs, in freebsd I told it to mv a symlink to another directory. However the linked directory was moved into the target dir instead of the symlink. What's up with that?! Hm, client$ uname OpenBSD client$ mount -t nfs ... server:/home/shared on /home/shared type nfs ... client$ ssh server server$ uname OpenBSD server$ cd /home/shared server$ ln -s stuff stuff-link server$ exit client$ mv /home/shared/stuff-link /home/shared/stuff-link2 client$ ls -ld /home/shared/* ... lrwxr-xr-x 1 someone somegroup 4 Mar 19 10:20 /home/shared/stuff-link2 - stuff ... Or were you doing something more complex, like moving a symlink across a filesystem? From local to nfs? Is that because I was over nfs, or is it because of freebsd mv? If it was purely across nfs, then it's probably in the way solaris handled the command from the freebsd client. Linux mv moves symlinks, although I'm not sure about nfs. did you try moving a symlink on a local FreeBSD filesystem? what about across local filesystems? Why do you assume it's something with the freebsd mv, and not even consider solaris's nfs? Did you try the exact same thing from a linux or solaris client? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 04:42:26PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: I'm having trouble getting Sendmail to understand I want it to talk to SpamassMilter. In poking around looking for an answer, I got to thinking that Procmail is already filtering the way I want. How do I have Procmail forward this filtered email to another box in the same domain? This section sends mail to a folder: :0: * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes $HOME/mail/caughtspam Can $HOME/mail/caughtspam be changed to: forwardto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dropping * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes of course. What's the correct syntax for: forwardto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dropping the X-Spam-Status header requires that you do a bunch of pipes. Just sending the message on would be :0--- no need to lock * ^X-Spam-Status:.*Yes--- technically you should have .* not [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- isn't that easy? =) ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book
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Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
T. Joseph Carter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 04:42:26PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: I'm having trouble getting Sendmail to understand I want it to talk to SpamassMilter. In poking around looking for an answer, I got to thinking that Procmail is already filtering the way I want. How do I have Procmail forward this filtered email to another box in the same domain? This section sends mail to a folder: :0: * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes $HOME/mail/caughtspam Can $HOME/mail/caughtspam be changed to: forwardto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dropping * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes of course. What's the correct syntax for: forwardto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dropping the X-Spam-Status header requires that you do a bunch of pipes. Just sending the message on would be :0--- no need to lock * ^X-Spam-Status:.*Yes--- technically you should have .* not [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- isn't that easy? =) ___ It looks easy. What's the catch? ;^ I'm dense. So * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes becomes * not There are no local users so 'other' needs to be a variable that I can attach to the front of @there.com so it will be delivered to the proper mailbox on the other server. Does Procmail have that stored? [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, the Milter is no longer incommunicado. It is happily fitering away. I would prefer doing it with Procmail because it will almost work out of the box. Thanks -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 08:53:02PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Dropping the X-Spam-Status header requires that you do a bunch of pipes. Just sending the message on would be :0--- no need to lock * ^X-Spam-Status:.*Yes--- technically you should have .* not [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- isn't that easy? =) ___ It looks easy. What's the catch? ;^ I'm dense. So * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes becomes * not X-Spam-Status:Yes X-Spam-Status: Yes etc Since you know the only program to define something as spam in this manner is spamassasin, you can probably leave it. However, it will only match if that space is there and there's only one. Safer to look for the header and for the word yes in it. This is a regex after all, though it is by default a case-insensitive one. There are no local users so 'other' needs to be a variable that I can attach to the front of @there.com so it will be delivered to the proper mailbox on the other server. Does Procmail have that stored? [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, the Milter is no longer incommunicado. It is happily fitering away. I would prefer doing it with Procmail because it will almost work out of the box. Why are you trying to forward all spam to users' accounts at another box? ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 05:49:02PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: Also, with procmail, I used ! to forward mail: Cory's right and I'm apparently on drugs today. ;) ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
T. Joseph Carter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 08:53:02PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Dropping the X-Spam-Status header requires that you do a bunch of pipes. Just sending the message on would be :0--- no need to lock * ^X-Spam-Status:.*Yes--- technically you should have .* not [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- isn't that easy? =) ___ It looks easy. What's the catch? ;^ I'm dense. So * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes becomes * not X-Spam-Status:Yes X-Spam-Status: Yes etc Since you know the only program to define something as spam in this manner is spamassasin, you can probably leave it. However, it will only match if that space is there and there's only one. Safer to look for the header and for the word yes in it. This is a regex after all, though it is by default a case-insensitive one. There are no local users so 'other' needs to be a variable that I can attach to the front of @there.com so it will be delivered to the proper mailbox on the other server. Does Procmail have that stored? [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, the Milter is no longer incommunicado. It is happily fitering away. I would prefer doing it with Procmail because it will almost work out of the box. Why are you trying to forward all spam to users' accounts at another box? ___ I'm marking spam and passing all mail on to their server where the users collect their mail, and sort it based on spam on the subject line. -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]freebsd mv symlink moves linked dir?!
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 05:37:37PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: Here I figured out more specifics. linux client/solaris nfs: $ ls -l lrwxrwxrwx1 cory cory7 Mar 18 21:31 burn - ../burn drwxr-xr-x3 cory cory 512 Mar 19 2004 pub $ ls -ld ../burn drwxr-sr-x8 cory cory 512 Mar 19 2004 ../burn $ mv burn pub $ ls -l drwxr-xr-x3 cory cory 512 Mar 19 2004 pub $ ls -l pub lrwxrwxrwx1 cory cory7 Mar 18 21:31 burn - ../burn so, pub/burn ends up pointing to burn, which does not exist, correct? However on freebsd if I type mv burn/ pub it moves the target directory, not the symlink: $ ls -ld ../burn drwxr-sr-x 8 cory 10 512 Mar 19 17:21 ../burn/ $ ls -l lrwxrwxrwx 1 cory 10 7 Mar 19 17:22 burn@ - ../burn drwxr-xr-x 3 cory cory 512 Mar 19 17:30 pub/ $ mv burn/ pub $ ll lrwxrwxrwx 1 cory 10 7 Mar 19 17:22 burn@ - ../burn drwxr-xr-x 4 cory cory 512 Mar 19 17:30 pub/ $ ls -ld ../burn ls: ../burn: No such file or directory so burn (the directory) moved to pub/? What's most odd to me is that both scenarios end up with a symlink to nothing. Perhaps the lesson is to not mv a symlink because it's behaviour is undefined ... or at least varies by implementation. symlink(7) on OpenBSD says: If it is explicitly intended that the command operate on the symbolic link instead of following the symbolic link -- e.g., it is desired that ``chown owner slink'' change the ownership of ``slink'', not of what it points to -- the -h option should be used. In the above example, ``chown owner slink'' would change the owner of ``afile'' to ``owner'', while ``chown -h owner slink'' would change the ownership of ``slink''. There are several exceptions to this rule. The mv(1) and rm(1) commands do not follow symbolic links named as arguments, but respectively attempt to rename and delete them. (Note that if the symbolic link references a file via a relative path, moving it to another directory may very well cause it to stop working, since the path may no longer be correct.) The behaviour of you example is like on Linux. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Notebook LAN
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Re: [eug-lug]Question: video email
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 12:04:07PM -0800, Ken Barber wrote: I suppose that my friend will make a small pile of money. I doubt that he'll make significant money over the long term, but I always seem to underestimate people's capacity for stupidity. Maybe, as he predicts, next year there really will be a million people paying $5 a month for the ability to send video emails. Whatever. I'd just like to hear everyone else's take on this. Well, people still pay for M$ products, because they think there is no alternative. Goes for a lot of things atually, people paying for what they can have for free. As far as RFCs on video email, there seem to be lots in the works, but I don't see too many implementations of these RFCs. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]combining shell streams
That's pretty sweet Cory. Thanks for the brief cut
tutorial as well:
- cut -f 1 -d : file, means print the first
column, delimited by :
I am an awk user by habit and would usually do an:
$ awk -F: '{print $1}' /etc/passwd
for this, but cut saves some typing and seems more
logical for these cases where you don't need to do
selective (regex) printing.
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On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 03:13:09PM -0800, Jason wrote:
I am an awk user by habit and would usually do an:
$ awk -F: '{print $1}' /etc/passwd
for this, but cut saves some typing and seems more
logical for these cases where you don't need to do
selective (regex) printing.
What you typed is about the limit of my awk knowledge. Cut has the annoying
condition that delimeters are one character. So if there is some input:
happy.comOK
test.com REJECT
$ cut -f 2 -d \-- space after \
Will print a space, specifically the 2nd space after the com on each column.
$ awk '{print $2}'
will print the OK and REJECT column.
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Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 03:37:39PM +, Bob Crandell wrote:
What does your Mon alert look like?
Pretty simple. Here is the alert sans comments:
---
#!/bin/sh
if [ $1 == ]; then
echo Usage: $0 service_name
echo Returns 0 if service found, 1 otherwise
echo Uses \`ps\` command
exit 1
fi
# A good regex will use ^ at least, ie ^/usr/bin/named
A=`ps -o cmd -e |egrep -q $1`
exit $?
---
Here's an alert to restart a service:
#!/usr/bin/perl
use Getopt::Std;
getopts (f:c:s:g:h:t:l:u);
my $file = $opt_f if defined $opt_f;
my $cmd = $opt_c || restart;
if (-x /etc/init.d/$file) {
system(/etc/init.d/$file $cmd);
}
Then you can use both in a service definition:
watch servers
service sshd
interval 10m
monitor service.monitor ^/usr/sbin/sshd
period wd {Sun-Sat}
alertevery 1h
alert restart_svc.alert -f sshd -c restart
alert mail.alert -S sshd is down, attempting restart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
upalert mail.alert -S sshd is back up [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [eug-lug] How does Netscape compare to Mozilla in Mac OS X and Linux/Unix?
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 11:11:37AM -0800, Harald Sundt wrote: How does Netscape compare to Mozilla in Mac OS X and Linux/Unix? In linux/unix, netscape 4.x sucks. Mozilla has finally gotten pretty cool and MozillaFirebird, now Firefox rocks. This is interms of speed and over all quality and functionality. The latest Netscape IS mozilla, it was based off of mozilla 1.0 or 1.2. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to Your (858) 705-1655 Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] How does NS and Safari compare to Moz in Mac OS X?
Have you looked at thunderbird? What about unison do you think is not quite there? Have you tried halime? (newsreader) Do you have xfree86/x11 installed? If so, have you tried pan? Exactly what features do you need in a mail client? (pop, imap, exchange, etc., etc.) What version of os x? Have you tried safari and apple mail? What mail clients have you tried? What features of those did you like? Chris On Mar 15, 2004, at 6:06 PM, Harald Sundt wrote: What criteria would you like to compare it on? I am red faced. Of course I should have said what I was looking at. I have e-mail (Eudora) and news-reading (Thoth Mac X - but discontinued - Unison not quite there..) covered but what I would like to know is Java stability, ability to move along children, please, and would like, not insist, and being able to resume download by clicking icons while connected. I don't experience size on the hard-drive or in RAM (I have 1 Gig) so Size and Skins and the like mean shit to me. Widgets ... do you mean screen-draw doo-dads or just Doo-dads? : ) Hal Size Performance Widgets? Versions? Features? ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
Cory Petkovsek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:28:48PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: 1) Postfix+amavisd-new+spamassassin on one server 2) default exchange 5.5 on another server 3) script that dumps ldap entries from exchange to a text file that postfix reads. Easy as one, two, three. Bob, I'm actually in the process of setting up this exact system for one of my clients in portland. I'm setting it up with the above plus software mirroring and service monitoring. I made my own Mon alert to restart services if they fail. Cory Another client with a Novell server is going to want this too. That's part of the reason I was hoping for a solution that didn't require user names on the filter. What does your Mon alert look like? Bob ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
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Have you configured spamass-milter? I've read through some of the docs and it makes me feel dense. Thanks Larry Price ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: there is a milter to call spamassassin On Monday, March 8, 2004, at 07:44 AM, Bob Crandell wrote: It's amazing how great minds think alike. This is exactly what I'm trying to do. What I'm not sure of is the how to part. How to have this intermediate box filter mail without having to create users. Ok, I don't need Procmail. How do I call SpamAssassin directly from Sendmail? Thanks John Sechrest ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You can always use an intermediate spam filter on an intermediate machine. You first need to set up a linux/unix box with spam assasin on it as you want. Then you need to set the system up to deliver to the exchange server. Then you want to set the MX records for the domain of the exchange system to point at the linux/unix box. This is how we seperate the FrontEnd mail server from the BackEnd mail servers. The front end has the RBL code in it, and spam assassin and the Milter rules. You don't use procmail, because you are not delivering to a mail box. You use the initial spam filtering tools. If there are things in procmail, which you can't write in sendmail, then you can force it to process the messages. But almost everything that I would put into procmail is better put into the sendmail rules on the front end box. Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: % Hi, % % One of my clients is asking for a SPAM filter for his Exchange server. No % wise cracks. He's stuck and he knows it. % % What I was planning on putting in was Sendmail/Procmail/SpamAssassin store and % forward mail server. My question is can I and how do I do this without % creating users on the mail server? % % Thanks % Bob % % -- % Assured Computing, Inc. % When you need to be sure. % http://www.assuredcomp.com/ % P.O. Box 40814 % Eugene, OR 97404 % Voice - 541-868-0331 % FAX - 541-463-1627 % % % ___ % EuG-LUG mailing list % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug - John Sechrest . Helping people use . computers and the Internet .more effectively . . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug you capturing runaway bulldozers:once is chance, twice coincidence, ... ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] How does Netscape compare to Mozilla in Mac OS X and Linux/Unix?
What criteria would you like to compare it on? Size Performance Widgets? Versions? Features? Harald Sundt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: % How does Netscape compare to Mozilla in Mac OS X and Linux/Unix? % ___ % EuG-LUG mailing list % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug - John Sechrest . Helping people use . computers and the Internet .more effectively . . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] How does Netscape compare to Mozilla in Mac OS X and Linux/Unix?
For performance, I would rate Mozilla as a bit faster. Safari is of course faster than both, the only reason I was using either Mozilla or Netscape on OS X was their compatibility with SOCKS v4 proxies and for general browser interoperability testing. Also, both Navigator and Mozilla have available mail clients, which are decent (though I prefer both Apple Mail and pine to these). Jason --- John Sechrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What criteria would you like to compare it on? Size Performance Widgets? Versions? Features? Harald Sundt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: % How does Netscape compare to Mozilla in Mac OS X and Linux/Unix? % ___ % EuG-LUG mailing list % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug - John Sechrest . Helping people use . computers and the Internet .more effectively . . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Corvallis Clinic
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Re: [eug-lug] How does NS and Safari compare to Moz in Mac OS X?
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Re: [eug-lug]solaris nfs/autofs/cachefs (was: second NIC for dedicated connection)
--- Cory Petkovsek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And finally, I also have the option of cachefs. What is that good for? cachefs can sit on top of/supplements nfs. In my experience, it's most useful for slow and/or unreliable links (similar situations web caches are good for), though I guess there's no reason it wouldn't work well on fast links (LAN). Jason __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Semi-interesting SPAM articles
On Friday 12 March 2004 21:27, T. Joseph Carter wrote: You realize that the reason I stopped signing mail was that NO VERSION of MS Outlook can handle any standard method of PGP signature correctly, right? No, I wasn't aware of that. I'm also a little puzzled by your news, since it worked perfectly the last time I used Outlook. I also know that PGP is working quite well in communucations between my elderly mother and me (we discuss many things that John Ashcroft doesn't need to know about). She's using some version of OE but I don't remember which one. But I haven't been a 'doze user for a couple of years now, and haven't kept up with what M$ is doing. Still, I'm a little puzzled by your news because it used to work well. Ken ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
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On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 08:44:47AM -0800, Ken Barber wrote: You realize that the reason I stopped signing mail was that NO VERSION of MS Outlook can handle any standard method of PGP signature correctly, right? No, I wasn't aware of that. I'm also a little puzzled by your news, since it worked perfectly the last time I used Outlook. I also know that PGP is working quite well in communucations between my elderly mother and me (we discuss many things that John Ashcroft doesn't need to know about). She's using some version of OE but I don't remember which one. If you don't have PGP installed, OE sees all messages as attachments which cannot be quoted for reply. The signature, being application/something is of the type that people fear may contain a virus. Most messages of mine were simply deleted. Those who did not simply delete always felt it necessary to explain to me why my email was broken. Not one of the idiots considered that it was their email client. But I haven't been a 'doze user for a couple of years now, and haven't kept up with what M$ is doing. Still, I'm a little puzzled by your news because it used to work well. And MS hasn't kept up with what the rest of the world was doing or bothered to implement RFC standards... ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]second NIC for dedicated connection
All is fine. I didn't have the interfaces line in my smb.conf. That, and samba was being stupid until I did /usr/bin/smbd. The interface works fine for NFS and SMB now with only one little bit of trouble. Haven't searched thoroughly to see if it's a client or server thing but I've seen posts on it. NFS likes to just drop it's connection even though it shows as still mounted. Seems to be a 2.6 thing. Anyone else experienced it yet? That be all, Mr O. --- Cory Petkovsek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If using samba v3, make sure these conf statements make sense: hosts allow = 192.168.1. 192.168.2. 127. interfaces = 192.168.12.2/24 192.168.13.2/24 route -an? Seems to not like that switch. ifconfig is proper because Because nothin.. It's not for you, its for us. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Semi-interesting SPAM articles
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 11:55:36PM -0800, Jason wrote: I think the most interesting point is that, while a good background of the problem and proposed solutions is given, it seems there really is no good answer currently. The author does make mention of Sender Permitted From (http://spf.pobox.com/), which was recently mentioned to me by a co-worker and is the solution I've been looking into most lately. SPF may work for cutting out spam spoofed from aol/yahoo/msn accounts. However a lot of domains don't even have valid ptr records. How are they going to figure out how to setup a ptr record? Even if they did, there are going to be a lot of sites that won't set this up. There are many legit boxes that spammers have broken in to to send spam. Any opinions from the list on where this field/problem is going? Will it continue (as in the rest of the field of security) to be an arms race? The article doesn't mention greylisting, which I think is a good temporary solution. It greatly increases the cost to spammers. I think it will continue to be an arms race until either the protocol or the infrastructure changes. I have not yet heard of a practical and secure replacement/extension to smtp. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to Your (858) 705-1655 Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Semi-interesting SPAM articles
Until there is some form of authentication for mail, this arms race will continue. Sender Permitted is an interesting step, since it is generally hard for DNS changes. However, it is not the end of the arms race. It makes the security flaws in DNS become a target. And if it is possible to create AI programs for real, we will end up seeing viruses that look at your email and craft a real message from a real person, to a real recipient, with a spam content. The end of this arms race is a long way away. Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: % Slashdot picked up a securityfocus link from Neil % Krawetz - a survey of the current spam/anti-spam % situation. % % Part 1: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1763 % Part 2: http://securityfocus.com/infocus/1766 % % Sorry if this has made the rounds earlier, but since % this list seems to have a good number of interested % parties, I figured I'd pass it along. % % I think the most interesting point is that, while a % good background of the problem and proposed solutions % is given, it seems there really is no good answer % currently. The author does make mention of Sender % Permitted From (http://spf.pobox.com/), which was % recently mentioned to me by a co-worker and is the % solution I've been looking into most lately. It's in % the reverse-lookup (e.g. from rather than to MX) % family of solutions and seems like it would solve some % (but not close to all) spam issues. % % Any opinions from the list on where this field/problem % is going? Will it continue (as in the rest of the % field of security) to be an arms race? Will the bad % guys continue to spend pennies to harass us while the % good guys dump buckets of cash on incomplete % solutions? % % Sorry, nothing practical here, just late night % blabbering. Anyhoo, I'll finally be in OR for a % Thursday so I should see you guys next week. % % Jason % % __ % Do you Yahoo!? % Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster % http://search.yahoo.com % ___ % EuG-LUG mailing list % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug - John Sechrest . Helping people use . computers and the Internet .more effectively . . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Last chance for old equipment
I might be interested in Assorted rack trays... Any sliding keyboard holders? Jim On Thursday, March 11, 2004, at 12:09 PM, Larry Price wrote: 7 foot Chatsworth racks Lucent Portmaster PM-3's Assorted rack trays, monitor enclosures and possibly a surly bofh or two No reasonable offers refused; unreasonable offers will be given serious consideration -- Metaphors for system administration --- bailing the titanic with paper cups: or polishing the deck chairs thereof steering an iceberg with a broom: nonexciting challenges await you capturing runaway bulldozers:once is chance, twice coincidence, ... ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug Jim Beard counterclaim.com, Inc http://www.counterclaim.com http://openefm.sourceforge.net (800) 264-8145 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Last chance for old equipment
The trays are steel and aluminum and attach to a standard 19 rack we don't have any standard rackmount pullout keyboard trays that aren't in current use. we do have this monster double wide shelf/cage thing that has 4 keyboard shelves that we might be willing to part with. (we need the space and the cash. On Friday, March 12, 2004, at 01:06 PM, Jim Beard wrote: I might be interested in Assorted rack trays... Any sliding keyboard holders? Jim On Thursday, March 11, 2004, at 12:09 PM, Larry Price wrote: 7 foot Chatsworth racks Lucent Portmaster PM-3's Assorted rack trays, monitor enclosures and possibly a surly bofh or two No reasonable offers refused; unreasonable offers will be given serious consideration -- Metaphors for system administration --- bailing the titanic with paper cups: or polishing the deck chairs thereof steering an iceberg with a broom: nonexciting challenges await you capturing runaway bulldozers:once is chance, twice coincidence, ... ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug Jim Beard counterclaim.com, Inc http://www.counterclaim.com http://openefm.sourceforge.net (800) 264-8145 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Metaphors for system administration --- bailing the titanic with paper cups: or polishing the deck chairs thereof steering an iceberg with a broom: nonexciting challenges await you capturing runaway bulldozers:once is chance, twice coincidence, ... ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Semi-interesting SPAM articles
On Friday 12 March 2004 06:46, John Sechrest wrote: Until there is some form of authentication for mail, this arms race will continue. You know, we could kill spam tomorrow if we could just convince people to set up use PGP, and then drop all non-PGP-encrypted stuff at the MX. It's a computational puzzle that I don't believe would be onerous to list servers. It's free (or, can be free if you want it to be) but would be a PITA for spammers to implement on a scale of millions. I'd ask John Sechrest to set up the MX at PEAK to reject all non-PGP mail coming to me tomorrow... ... IF I could only convince enough people out there to adopt this solution that already has RFCs in place. Ken ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 04:23:23PM -0800, Ken Barber wrote: I'd ask John Sechrest to set up the MX at PEAK to reject all non-PGP mail coming to me tomorrow... ... IF I could only convince enough people out there to adopt this solution that already has RFCs in place. You realize that the reason I stopped signing mail was that NO VERSION of MS Outlook can handle any standard method of PGP signature correctly, right? ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:28:48PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: 1) Postfix+amavisd-new+spamassassin on one server 2) default exchange 5.5 on another server 3) script that dumps ldap entries from exchange to a text file that postfix reads. Easy as one, two, three. Bob, I'm actually in the process of setting up this exact system for one of my clients in portland. I'm setting it up with the above plus software mirroring and service monitoring. I made my own Mon alert to restart services if they fail. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to Your (858) 705-1655 Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Corvallis Clinic
At 05:42 PM 3/3/04, Bob Miller wrote: John Sechrest wrote: The Mid-Willamette Valley Linux User's Group will be sponsoring an installfest/Clinic Saturday 13 March 2004. I'm planning to go to this event. Any Eugenians want a ride? -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug If there are still seats available, I'll hitch a ride. When were you planning on leaving? Jason Dommasch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:49:57AM -0600, Christopher Forsythe wrote: y correct. Active directory is based on ldap, and exchange 2000 is dependent on active directory. Exchange is also an active directory aware system. Now if this person were to be using exchange 5.5 or below, then the assumption that ldap is there would be incorrect. For the most part you are right though. :D Excuse me? When's the last time you've looked at an Exchange 5.5 server. It has a built in ldap server that ties in to all of the entries in the server. Try pointing an ldapsearch at it and see what comes out. Cory Last I checked, it can be turned off on exchange 5.5, but can't on exchange 2000, as it has to be on for active directory. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
What he said. Cory Petkovsek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 11:48:20AM -0800, Jason wrote: Maybe a dumb question, but why does the customer want a separate box vs. installing something like netiq's mailmarshal right on the Exchange box? The customer probably wants a solution, not necessarily a separate box. How much does mailmarshall cost? I tried to find out, but apparently it costs too much to put the price tag on the website. Is the Exchange box the mx? (I hope not) Is this solution being planned for the mx? This is what I'd tend to recommend (anti-spam on either the mx or the Exchange box), since I don't see a reason to add another box to the mix (unless they have a ton of mail traffic). Here we are, $630 for 100 email boxes $230 for a 1 year upgrade plan for same. $65 for 1 year of tech support That price isn't bad, but I'd choose a separate box for the same reasons: - Because of more control, I find it more convenient to work in a unix environment. A client isn't going to work on it either way, so it doesn't matter to them. - Extended licensing costs are dollars they can pay me. They are likely going to pay me the same either way, commercial or OSS, so why not save them some money. - OSS is open source, completely trouble-shootable, free, Free, etc - Upgrades are free. - Additional mailboxes are free. - I can easily and quickly make the box a secure webserver too, add webmail for another hour. Want bar graphs of your internet traffic? - I can set it up or troubleshoot it remotely and securely with the default setup over a slow internet connection. You can do most of that with windows, but not all four. Cory EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]second NIC for dedicated connection
Okay, NFS works fine now but I still have to tweak my smb.conf some more I guess. FS says samba is running, is 139 the default port? Because I don't see it listed though everything else is listening on all ports. route -an? Seems to not like that switch. ifconfig is proper because I assigned the IP on the fibre cards and they're direct connect. That's also how I knew I was logged in via SSH on the right card because I went through IP and not hostname. Thanks for all the help so far. Mr O. --- Larry Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: route -an fs:ifconfig -a gbox:ifconfig -a list routes on both boxes are you sure that ssh is in fact going over the dedicated connection? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
Hey: --- Cory Petkovsek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The customer probably wants a solution, not necessarily a separate box. How much does mailmarshall cost? I tried to find out, but apparently it costs too much to put the price tag on the website. No, my question was more to the separate box vs. separate app issue, just using mailmarshal as an example. There are other solutions and maybe oss anti-spam for windows (or not?). snip That price isn't bad, but I'd choose a separate box for the same reasons: Normally for a small customer I try to limit the # of devices/boxes, but Bob already mentioned that this box was not only the mx but also running sbs. In this case, I'd recommend either another box or that the customer move the mx to their isp. J __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]second NIC for dedicated connection
Mr O wrote: route -an? Seems to not like that switch. Try netstat -an . Better, netstat -antu . -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]second NIC for dedicated connection
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 09:30:43AM -0800, Mr O wrote: Okay, NFS works fine now but I still have to tweak my smb.conf some more I guess. FS says samba is running, is 139 the default port? Because I don't see it listed though everything else is listening on all ports. Where is the output to those commands? You know as well as we do, don't trust the user to their own interpretation. This is on my solaris box: $ grep NETBIOS /etc/services netbios-ns 137/tcp # NETBIOS Name Service netbios-ns 137/udp # NETBIOS Name Service netbios-dgm 138/tcp # NETBIOS Datagram Service netbios-dgm 138/udp # NETBIOS Datagram Service netbios-ssn 139/tcp # NETBIOS Session Service netbios-ssn 139/udp # NETBIOS Session Service $ netstat -na -P tcp |egrep 13[789] *.139*.*0 0 24576 0 LISTEN $ netstat -na -P udp |egrep 13[789] *.137 Idle *.138 Idle 192.168.1.5.137 Idle 192.168.1.5.138 Idle If using samba v3, make sure these conf statements make sense: hosts allow = 192.168.1. 192.168.2. 127. interfaces = 192.168.12.2/24 192.168.13.2/24 route -an? Seems to not like that switch. ifconfig is proper because Because nothin.. It's not for you, its for us. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to Your (858) 705-1655 Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 11:02:39PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Hi, One of my clients is asking for a SPAM filter for his Exchange server. No wise cracks. He's stuck and he knows it. What I was planning on putting in was Sendmail/Procmail/SpamAssassin store and forward mail server. My question is can I and how do I do this without creating users on the mail server? Bob, I've done it with exchange/postfix. With my setup, Postfix accepts email only for users found on the exchange server. New account? Add it in exchange. Postfix will use ldap, or one can have a script that dumps ldap to a hash file for postfix. LDAP is built in to exchange. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to Your (858) 705-1655 Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 11:02:39PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: LDAP is built in to exchange. Cory Not totally correct. Active directory is based on ldap, and exchange 2000 is dependent on active directory. Exchange is also an active directory aware system. Now if this person were to be using exchange 5.5 or below, then the assumption that ldap is there would be incorrect. For the most part you are right though. :D Chris ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
Cory Petkovsek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 11:02:39PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Hi, One of my clients is asking for a SPAM filter for his Exchange server. No wise cracks. He's stuck and he knows it. What I was planning on putting in was Sendmail/Procmail/SpamAssassin store and forward mail server. My question is can I and how do I do this without creating users on the mail server? Bob, I've done it with exchange/postfix. With my setup, Postfix accepts email only for users found on the exchange server. New account? Add it in exchange. Postfix will use ldap, or one can have a script that dumps ldap to a hash file for postfix. LDAP is built in to exchange. Cory EuG-LUG mailing list Hi, I don't have LDAP installed anywhere. So what you're saying is I need to install the users on the spam filter box in order for it to filter the mail that passes through it? Not a big deal but I was hoping against it. Thanks -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
Maybe a dumb question, but why does the customer want a separate box vs. installing something like netiq's mailmarshal right on the Exchange box? Is the Exchange box the mx? (I hope not) Is this solution being planned for the mx? This is what I'd tend to recommend (anti-spam on either the mx or the Exchange box), since I don't see a reason to add another box to the mix (unless they have a ton of mail traffic). J --- Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cory Petkovsek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 11:02:39PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Hi, One of my clients is asking for a SPAM filter for his Exchange server. No wise cracks. He's stuck and he knows it. What I was planning on putting in was Sendmail/Procmail/SpamAssassin store and forward mail server. My question is can I and how do I do this without creating users on the mail server? Bob, I've done it with exchange/postfix. With my setup, Postfix accepts email only for users found on the exchange server. New account? Add it in exchange. Postfix will use ldap, or one can have a script that dumps ldap to a hash file for postfix. LDAP is built in to exchange. Cory EuG-LUG mailing list Hi, I don't have LDAP installed anywhere. So what you're saying is I need to install the users on the spam filter box in order for it to filter the mail that passes through it? Not a big deal but I was hoping against it. Thanks -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 11:02:39PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Hi, One of my clients is asking for a SPAM filter for his Exchange server. No wise cracks. He's stuck and he knows it. What I was planning on putting in was Sendmail/Procmail/SpamAssassin store and forward mail server. My question is can I and how do I do this without creating users on the mail server? When I was running the network at NCC oh so many years ago, I solved this by putting what you might call a mail proxy server (at that time, Qmail on an OpenBSD box) in front of the Exchange server. Exchange sat safely inside the firewall, and only saw the stuff that made it through our Qmail filters. No users needed on the Qmail server; it just filtered stuff and passed it on in. Saved our butts numerous times. Ken -- An intellect does not function on the premise of its own impotence. -- Ayn Rand, Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
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I'm wanting a stand alone box more than he is. The Exchange server is SBS 2000 and is barely keeping up. My goal is to use them as a test bed to build a generic box that I can clone and plug into anybody's site and have it just work. The Exchange box is the mx. The spam filter is to become the mx. Thanks Jason ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Maybe a dumb question, but why does the customer want a separate box vs. installing something like netiq's mailmarshal right on the Exchange box? Is the Exchange box the mx? (I hope not) Is this solution being planned for the mx? This is what I'd tend to recommend (anti-spam on either the mx or the Exchange box), since I don't see a reason to add another box to the mix (unless they have a ton of mail traffic). J --- Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cory Petkovsek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 11:02:39PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Hi, One of my clients is asking for a SPAM filter for his Exchange server. No wise cracks. He's stuck and he knows it. What I was planning on putting in was Sendmail/Procmail/SpamAssassin store and forward mail server. My question is can I and how do I do this without creating users on the mail server? Bob, I've done it with exchange/postfix. With my setup, Postfix accepts email only for users found on the exchange server. New account? Add it in exchange. Postfix will use ldap, or one can have a script that dumps ldap to a hash file for postfix. LDAP is built in to exchange. Cory EuG-LUG mailing list Hi, I don't have LDAP installed anywhere. So what you're saying is I need to install the users on the spam filter box in order for it to filter the mail that passes through it? Not a big deal but I was hoping against it. Thanks -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
Ah, SBS and Exchange is the mx. Zoinks! or, alternately, Yikes! Good plan for the spam/mx box; keep us posted (sorry I don't have any other assistance). J --- Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wanting a stand alone box more than he is. The Exchange server is SBS 2000 and is barely keeping up. My goal is to use them as a test bed to build a generic box that I can clone and plug into anybody's site and have it just work. The Exchange box is the mx. The spam filter is to become the mx. Thanks Jason ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Maybe a dumb question, but why does the customer want a separate box vs. installing something like netiq's mailmarshal right on the Exchange box? Is the Exchange box the mx? (I hope not) Is this solution being planned for the mx? This is what I'd tend to recommend (anti-spam on either the mx or the Exchange box), since I don't see a reason to add another box to the mix (unless they have a ton of mail traffic). J --- Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cory Petkovsek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 11:02:39PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Hi, One of my clients is asking for a SPAM filter for his Exchange server. No wise cracks. He's stuck and he knows it. What I was planning on putting in was Sendmail/Procmail/SpamAssassin store and forward mail server. My question is can I and how do I do this without creating users on the mail server? Bob, I've done it with exchange/postfix. With my setup, Postfix accepts email only for users found on the exchange server. New account? Add it in exchange. Postfix will use ldap, or one can have a script that dumps ldap to a hash file for postfix. LDAP is built in to exchange. Cory EuG-LUG mailing list Hi, I don't have LDAP installed anywhere. So what you're saying is I need to install the users on the spam filter box in order for it to filter the mail that passes through it? Not a big deal but I was hoping against it. Thanks -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]second NIC for dedicated connection
Any chance you have ipchains or IPtables running?
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Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:49:57AM -0600, Christopher Forsythe wrote: On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 11:02:39PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: LDAP is built in to exchange. Cory Not totally correct. Active directory is based on ldap, and exchange 2000 is dependent on active directory. Exchange is also an active directory aware system. Now if this person were to be using exchange 5.5 or below, then the assumption that ldap is there would be incorrect. For the most part you are right though. :D Excuse me? When's the last time you've looked at an Exchange 5.5 server. It has a built in ldap server that ties in to all of the entries in the server. Try pointing an ldapsearch at it and see what comes out. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to Your (858) 705-1655 Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 11:48:20AM -0800, Jason wrote: Maybe a dumb question, but why does the customer want a separate box vs. installing something like netiq's mailmarshal right on the Exchange box? The customer probably wants a solution, not necessarily a separate box. How much does mailmarshall cost? I tried to find out, but apparently it costs too much to put the price tag on the website. Is the Exchange box the mx? (I hope not) Is this solution being planned for the mx? This is what I'd tend to recommend (anti-spam on either the mx or the Exchange box), since I don't see a reason to add another box to the mix (unless they have a ton of mail traffic). Here we are, $630 for 100 email boxes $230 for a 1 year upgrade plan for same. $65 for 1 year of tech support That price isn't bad, but I'd choose a separate box for the same reasons: - Because of more control, I find it more convenient to work in a unix environment. A client isn't going to work on it either way, so it doesn't matter to them. - Extended licensing costs are dollars they can pay me. They are likely going to pay me the same either way, commercial or OSS, so why not save them some money. - OSS is open source, completely trouble-shootable, free, Free, etc - Upgrades are free. - Additional mailboxes are free. - I can easily and quickly make the box a secure webserver too, add webmail for another hour. Want bar graphs of your internet traffic? - I can set it up or troubleshoot it remotely and securely with the default setup over a slow internet connection. You can do most of that with windows, but not all four. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to Your (858) 705-1655 Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]second NIC for dedicated connection
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 09:09:27PM -0800, Mr O wrote:
I've added a second NIC to my fileserver and gamebox for
dedicated connections. I can SSH into the fileserver over the
dedicated connection but I can't connect via samba or NFS. I've
already changed my /etc/hosts, hosts.allow, smb.conf, and
exports files. Am I missing something else? Should I reboot
{gasp} the fileserver?
Did you reboot when you put the card in? ;)
Running redhat? Check your firewall.
Are the servers listening on all the interfaces? netstat is your friend. You
should see:
0.0.0.0:139 for samba on all interfaces, or
10.0.0.5:139 for samba on one interface/ip.
Show output of netstat -nltup.
Cory
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Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 06:54:02PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Hi, I don't have LDAP installed anywhere. So what you're saying is I need to install the users on the spam filter box in order for it to filter the mail that passes through it? Not a big deal but I was hoping against it. Thanks No, this is what I have at one site: 1) Postfix+amavisd-new+spamassassin on one server 2) default exchange 5.5 on another server 3) script that dumps ldap entries from exchange to a text file that postfix reads. Easy as one, two, three. It provides these benefits over other solutions I've seen: - All users modification is done on the exchange server. #3 takes care of new/removed users. No user accounts on the postfix server - Postfix accepts mail _only_ for valid email accounts on the exchange server. Previous email filters I've worked with accepted all mail at the filter level. Then crap stayed in the filter for days on end because NDR reports to nonexistant.domain.com failed to go. - Postfix allows checking via perl compatible regular expressions. That is very cool. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to Your (858) 705-1655 Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]second NIC for dedicated connection
route -an
fs:ifconfig -a
gbox:ifconfig -a
list routes on both boxes
are you sure that ssh is in fact going over the dedicated connection?
On Wednesday, March 10, 2004, at 09:09 PM, Mr O wrote:
I've added a second NIC to my fileserver and gamebox for
dedicated connections. I can SSH into the fileserver over the
dedicated connection but I can't connect via samba or NFS. I've
already changed my /etc/hosts, hosts.allow, smb.conf, and
exports files. Am I missing something else? Should I reboot
{gasp} the fileserver?
TIA,
Mr O.
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Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
It's amazing how great minds think alike. This is exactly what I'm trying to do. What I'm not sure of is the how to part. How to have this intermediate box filter mail without having to create users. Ok, I don't need Procmail. How do I call SpamAssassin directly from Sendmail? Thanks John Sechrest ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You can always use an intermediate spam filter on an intermediate machine. You first need to set up a linux/unix box with spam assasin on it as you want. Then you need to set the system up to deliver to the exchange server. Then you want to set the MX records for the domain of the exchange system to point at the linux/unix box. This is how we seperate the FrontEnd mail server from the BackEnd mail servers. The front end has the RBL code in it, and spam assassin and the Milter rules. You don't use procmail, because you are not delivering to a mail box. You use the initial spam filtering tools. If there are things in procmail, which you can't write in sendmail, then you can force it to process the messages. But almost everything that I would put into procmail is better put into the sendmail rules on the front end box. Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: % Hi, % % One of my clients is asking for a SPAM filter for his Exchange server. No % wise cracks. He's stuck and he knows it. % % What I was planning on putting in was Sendmail/Procmail/SpamAssassin store and % forward mail server. My question is can I and how do I do this without % creating users on the mail server? % % Thanks % Bob % % -- % Assured Computing, Inc. % When you need to be sure. % http://www.assuredcomp.com/ % P.O. Box 40814 % Eugene, OR 97404 % Voice - 541-868-0331 % FAX - 541-463-1627 % % % ___ % EuG-LUG mailing list % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug - John Sechrest . Helping people use . computers and the Internet .more effectively . . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
There are spamassassin filters and packages that can be put straight into the config. I think it is all built around milter. There are some standard examples of how to do this floating around. I don't have my fingers on one, but I have read at least two discussions of how to do it. Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: % It's amazing how great minds think alike. This is exactly what I'm trying to % do. What I'm not sure of is the how to part. How to have this intermediate % box filter mail without having to create users. % % Ok, I don't need Procmail. How do I call SpamAssassin directly from Sendmail? % % Thanks % % % John Sechrest ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: % % % You can always use an intermediate spam filter on an intermediate machine. % % You first need to set up a linux/unix box with spam assasin on it as you want. % Then you need to set the system up to deliver to the exchange server. % Then you want to set the MX records for the domain of the exchange system % to point at the linux/unix box. % % This is how we seperate the FrontEnd mail server from the BackEnd mail servers. % % The front end has the RBL code in it, and spam assassin and the Milter rules. % % You don't use procmail, because you are not delivering to a mail box. You % use the initial spam filtering tools. % % If there are things in procmail, which you can't write in sendmail, % then you can force it to process the messages. But almost everything % that I would put into procmail is better put into the sendmail rules % on the front end box. % % % % % Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: % % % Hi, % % % % One of my clients is asking for a SPAM filter for his Exchange server. No % % wise cracks. He's stuck and he knows it. % % % % What I was planning on putting in was Sendmail/Procmail/SpamAssassin store and % % forward mail server. My question is can I and how do I do this without % % creating users on the mail server? % % % % Thanks % % Bob % % % % -- % % Assured Computing, Inc. % % When you need to be sure. % % http://www.assuredcomp.com/ % % P.O. Box 40814 % % Eugene, OR 97404 % % Voice - 541-868-0331 % % FAX - 541-463-1627 % % % % % % ___ % % EuG-LUG mailing list % % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug % % - % John Sechrest . Helping people use % . computers and the Internet %.more effectively % . % . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] %. %. http://www.peak.org/~sechrest % ___ % EuG-LUG mailing list % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug % % % -- % Assured Computing, Inc. % When you need to be sure. % http://www.assuredcomp.com/ % P.O. Box 40814 % Eugene, OR 97404 % Voice - 541-868-0331 % FAX - 541-463-1627 % % % ___ % EuG-LUG mailing list % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug - John Sechrest . Helping people use . computers and the Internet .more effectively . . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Store and Forward
there is a milter to call spamassassin On Monday, March 8, 2004, at 07:44 AM, Bob Crandell wrote: It's amazing how great minds think alike. This is exactly what I'm trying to do. What I'm not sure of is the how to part. How to have this intermediate box filter mail without having to create users. Ok, I don't need Procmail. How do I call SpamAssassin directly from Sendmail? Thanks John Sechrest ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You can always use an intermediate spam filter on an intermediate machine. You first need to set up a linux/unix box with spam assasin on it as you want. Then you need to set the system up to deliver to the exchange server. Then you want to set the MX records for the domain of the exchange system to point at the linux/unix box. This is how we seperate the FrontEnd mail server from the BackEnd mail servers. The front end has the RBL code in it, and spam assassin and the Milter rules. You don't use procmail, because you are not delivering to a mail box. You use the initial spam filtering tools. If there are things in procmail, which you can't write in sendmail, then you can force it to process the messages. But almost everything that I would put into procmail is better put into the sendmail rules on the front end box. Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: % Hi, % % One of my clients is asking for a SPAM filter for his Exchange server. No % wise cracks. He's stuck and he knows it. % % What I was planning on putting in was Sendmail/Procmail/SpamAssassin store and % forward mail server. My question is can I and how do I do this without % creating users on the mail server? % % Thanks % Bob % % -- % Assured Computing, Inc. % When you need to be sure. % http://www.assuredcomp.com/ % P.O. Box 40814 % Eugene, OR 97404 % Voice - 541-868-0331 % FAX - 541-463-1627 % % % ___ % EuG-LUG mailing list % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug - John Sechrest . Helping people use . computers and the Internet .more effectively . . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Metaphors for system administration --- bailing the titanic with paper cups: or polishing the deck chairs thereof steering an iceberg with a broom: nonexciting challenges await you capturing runaway bulldozers:once is chance, twice coincidence, ... ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]clearing out old gnomes
I'd like to know this too. My laptop says it can't find a Mozilla icon and I can't find it either nor can I find any reference to it in any of the Gnome config files I can find. Rob Hudson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Any gnome users here? Now that Debian has Gnome 2.4 I wanted to give it a try. But apparently I've got old gnome 1.4 stuff and also older gnome 2.4 stuff laying around. I tried rm -rf'ing my ~/.gnome* directories. But when I startx and launch gnome, it still remembers some of my old settings. I'd like to start fresh and see what the default is and tweak from there. Any clues on how to do that? Thanks, Rob ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
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you might want to check out GARNOME http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/ It's a set of build scripts used by (among others ) the gnome UI usability people the lnx-bbc people are quite fond of it. I've had my own adventures with gnome lately which showed up some limitations of the ports system at least when it comes to gnome (think of the worst hosage you can get with recursive make and unresolved dependencies and then throw in things like libintl.so.4 not being recognised :P ) On the other hand gnome has been my home desktop for a while now. On Monday, March 8, 2004, at 10:33 AM, Bob Crandell wrote: I'd like to know this too. My laptop says it can't find a Mozilla icon and I can't find it either nor can I find any reference to it in any of the Gnome config files I can find. Rob Hudson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Any gnome users here? Now that Debian has Gnome 2.4 I wanted to give it a try. But apparently I've got old gnome 1.4 stuff and also older gnome 2.4 stuff laying around. I tried rm -rf'ing my ~/.gnome* directories. But when I startx and launch gnome, it still remembers some of my old settings. I'd like to start fresh and see what the default is and tweak from there. Any clues on how to do that? Thanks, Rob ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing, Inc. When you need to be sure. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ P.O. Box 40814 Eugene, OR 97404 Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Metaphors for system administration --- bailing the titanic with paper cups: or polishing the deck chairs thereof steering an iceberg with a broom: nonexciting challenges await you capturing runaway bulldozers:once is chance, twice coincidence, ... ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
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Yep, I've tried garnome... that's why I have leftover cruft I want to get ride of. I was trying 2.4 before it made it into Debian testing. But now that Debian has it via apt-get, I want to clear the slate and start fresh. In fact, after trying some more, it still brings up my background and other setttings, and something about the panel is misconfigured and won't even launch. -Rob On 20040308.1103, Larry Price said ... you might want to check out GARNOME http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/ It's a set of build scripts used by (among others ) the gnome UI usability people the lnx-bbc people are quite fond of it. I've had my own adventures with gnome lately which showed up some limitations of the ports system at least when it comes to gnome (think of the worst hosage you can get with recursive make and unresolved dependencies and then throw in things like libintl.so.4 not being recognised :P ) On the other hand gnome has been my home desktop for a while now. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
