Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-05 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
I ... put up... PV to max out the... tax credits. If I am lucky it will return 7% to 9%, but Duke [utility]doesn't see it the way I do... [their] rate is 9.7cents a kWh You have to abhor cracked atoms, heavy water out the yingyang and arsenic laced coal ash ponds to find much justification

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant (battery backup thinking)

2015-05-05 Thread len moskowitz via EV
Here in northern NJ, we lose power a few days a year. Some years we'll have a storm that knocks out power for two or three days. After Hurricane Sandy we lost power for ten or eleven days. Obviously the cost of the lost power is negligible, even at PSEG's 17.5 cents per kWhr. That doesn't

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant (waiting for better...)

2015-05-05 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
:* Michael Ross [mailto:michael.e.r...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 9:54 AM *To:* Robert Bruninga; Electric Vehicle Discussion List *Subject:* Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant Even at 3% per year, by the end of 20 years, that 9.7 cents will be 18 cents. ​​ Yes, that is a personal

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-05 Thread Michael Ross via EV
Even at 3% per year, by the end of 20 years, that 9.7 cents will be 18 cents. ​​ Yes, that is a personal justification for the financial investment. In 20 years at 3% a kWh will be less here than it is in Connecticut today. Much as I want to whine about Duke Progress, one result of their

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant (battery backup thinking)

2015-05-05 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Of len moskowitz via EV Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 8:26 PM To: Cor van de Water Cc: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant Cor wrote: that is why - next week, someone will come to inspect my home to establish whether he wants to make a bid on delivering me

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant (battery backup thinking)

2015-05-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 5, 2015, at 7:34 AM, Cruisin via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Why not buy a Volt 16.5kwh battery and add your own inverter for a backup. That's what my customers are doing. Where does one actually buy a Volt battery? I've looked a couple times without much success. I suspect it might

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant (waiting for better...)

2015-05-05 Thread Michael Ross via EV
, 2015 9:54 AM *To:* Robert Bruninga; Electric Vehicle Discussion List *Subject:* Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant Even at 3% per year, by the end of 20 years, that 9.7 cents will be 18 cents. ​​ Yes, that is a personal justification for the financial investment. In 20 years at 3% a kWh

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-05 Thread len moskowitz via EV
In northern NJ we're paying more than 18 cents per kWhr. Len Moskowitz ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-05 Thread Michael Ross via EV
RIght my Sunpower array is insured and bonded for complete parts and labor for 20 years. The Sunpower PV is guaranteed for efficiency. In 20 years my PV should be still more efficient than any of the lower cost systems are new. Nothing matches quality manufacture for long use durable goods.

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-05 Thread len moskowitz via EV
Mark wrote: Did they both offer similar warranties? SunPower offers a better loss-of-efficiency-over-time warranty. Len Moskowitz ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant (battery backup thinking)

2015-05-05 Thread Cruisin via EV
Why not buy a Volt 16.5kwh battery and add your own inverter for a backup. That's what my customers are doing. That's what Tesla is selling for a whole lot more. Be careful connecting anything between your solar inverter and the grid, as it is protecting the grid from power during a power failure.

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-05 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
On May 5, 2015, at 7:50 AM, len moskowitz lenmoskow...@optonline.net wrote: Mark wrote: Did they both offer similar warranties? SunPower offers a better loss-of-efficiency-over-time warranty. Len Moskowitz Thank you. SC folks claim they have the best warranty in the space, but

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant (battery backup thinking)

2015-05-05 Thread Cruisin via EV
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Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-05 Thread Michael Ross via EV
SC are newly manufacturers. SC bought SIlevo and plans a highly automated facility in Ohio I believe. They may intend to honor a warranty that is beyond what the current panels should be. But since the mostly own the panels and the electrons they make for the installations, it is not worth

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 4, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Mark Abramowitz ma...@enviropolicy.com wrote: They won't be pro-rating the warranty? There's no mention of any proration on their Web site. It'd be a pretty bad PR move to omit a detail like that on the publicity page only to slip it in on the fine print, so I

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-04 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
On May 4, 2015, at 5:25 PM, len moskowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: They both came in at $4/watt installed, with SunPower offering a higher capacity system for our limited roof size. That was the main difference between them. Did they both offer similar warranties?

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-04 Thread len moskowitz via EV
Cor wrote: that is why - next week, someone will come to inspect my home  to establish whether he wants to make a bid on delivering me a system and I have already received a bid from SolarCity. I've had SolarCity and SunPower quote grid-tie PV systems for our home. Provided you have

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-04 Thread Michael Ross via EV
Historically, the US markets have gained ~10% a year for 100 years. In total market index fund is a very good in this context - not PV or storage. But compared to safe dividend paying stocks it is a good deal, and you don't want to be all in with the market. I was happy to put up enough PV to

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-04 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
On May 4, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I don't think that's a valid assumption in this case. Tesla is including a ten-year warranty, meaning they're going to have to typically be nearly as good after 9 years and 364 days as they are new (presumably within some

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 4, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I mean 8 Amps at around 400V is not an EV power level, it is actually rather underwhelming - I wonder why Tesla with a profile of high-power application is releasing such a low power spec. A nominal 5.8A @ 400V is

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-04 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
, May 04, 2015 4:26 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant On May 4, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Again, the most optimal case would be that you can shift the full 10kWh each day, which would yield

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-04 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: Ben Goren [mailto:b...@trumpetpower.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 2:58 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] virtual

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 4, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Again, the most optimal case would be that you can shift the full 10kWh each day, which would yield $2.60 per day or $950 per year. In 10 years that would give you $9,500 which is about the money you invested in a

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-04 Thread Roland via EV
@lists.evdl.org Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant On May 4, 2015, at 4:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.orgmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: After 10 years of daily full-cycling, I am presuming that the value of the pack and the 10-year old