Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Some bold statements you put out there for discussion. I find it ironic that you chose to pick on Honda, as opposed to any of the other automakers. Growing up in Detroit, I remember Honda flipping the bird to the other auto makers by not only meeting the infeasible new pollution control

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 16, 2015, at 2:25 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm not understanding why you have a problem with Honda developing their line based on consumer demand, or the most profit. Don't you understand that this is how all the automakers compete, not to mention companies

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Shifting between Drive DriveEco drives like a Leaf EV racer

2015-06-16 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Install a button on the shifter? The THINK CITY has a similar DRIVE and ECO mode but the very strong detents in the shifter mechanism make it difficult if not impossible to easily shifit between the modes without accidentally over-shifting into Neutral and even reverse (at speed!). So I found

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
I'm not understanding why you have a problem with Honda developing their line based on consumer demand, or the most profit. There is the problem. Our collective failure to understand that our maximum approach to GREED and CONSUMPTION is simply unsustainable. Maximizing Profit is pure greed

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I won't argue with your fundamental principle, but certainly, of all the automakers, Honda has been one of the most responsible, if not the most, of all the automakers. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2015, at 6:33 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm not understanding

Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled

2015-06-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 16, 2015, at 10:40 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: You do too. Yours is just manual. And that can work as long, as you're thoroughly knowledgable and attentive. That's the key point. _Every_ charger has a battery management system. The only question is the

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Sorry, didn't get a chance to finish. You may be correct about EVs, but give it time - there's no turning back. The cost delta is shrinking, and some great cars are being produced that raise the bar - Tesla comes to mind. High cost, and maybe not as Musk had promised, but no boxy car. And

Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled

2015-06-16 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 16 Jun 2015 at 5:52, Paul Dove via EV wrote: A battery monitor is fine battery management should be avoided. In the early days of the EVDL, we debated (sometimes pretty strongly) AC vs DC motors and flooded vs AGM batteries. IIRC, though, there weren't many of the AGM crew who said forget

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 16 Jun 2015 at 6:52, Ben Goren via EV wrote: Imagine if Ford made a ... 2017 electric Mustang ... The demand for *that* EV would be instant.. I guess that depends on how you define demand. You might indeed land some buyers. But you have to remember a salient characteristic of most

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 16, 2015, at 10:40 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Many of these guys actively LIKE -- deliberately PREFER -- the noise, stink, and grime that their ICEVs produce. That may even be more important to them than their actual performance. They really DO have

[EVDL] EVent: Free BenJerry's from their Tesla EV, now-6/27 Seattle-WA

2015-06-16 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://seattle.eater.com/2015/6/16/8785517/get-free-ben-jerrys-and-help-save-the-planet-through-the-end-of-june Get Free Ben Jerry's and Help Save the Planet Through June 27 by Sara Jones Jun 16, 2015 [image / Ben Jerry's

Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled

2015-06-16 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Ben Goren via EV wrote: _Every_ charger has a battery management system. Only if you define BMS as Bare Minimum System. A normal battery charger can only see the total pack voltage. It has to make all its determinations based on nothing but this voltage, and maybe the apparent total pack

[EVDL] EVLN: My 500th 2015 Ford Focus Electric mile I’m still blown away

2015-06-16 Thread brucedp5 via EV
% 6kW onboard L2 charging ability, still no L3 ability % http://www.torquenews.com/1/why-i-bought-ford-focus-electric-after-researching-all-electric-cars Why I Bought Ford Focus Electric After Researching All Electric Cars By Brian Lewis 2015-06-06 [image

[EVDL] EVLN: Shifting between Drive DriveEco drives like a Leaf EV racer

2015-06-16 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.torquenews.com/3618/increase-nissan-leaf-performance Increase Your Nissan LEAF's Performance with This Little Trick By Douglas Stansfield 2015-06-07 [image http://www.torquenews.com/sites/default/files/image-1/nissan_leaf_performance_increase.jpg Nissan LEAF Performance ] How many

[EVDL] EVLN: Buy A Used Leaf, Or a Different Plugin?

2015-06-16 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098554_should-i-buy-a-used-nissan-leaf-or-another-electric-car Should I Buy A Used Nissan Leaf (Or Another Electric Car)? By John Voelcker Jun 5, 2015 [images http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2011-nissan-leaf-4-door-hb-sl-dashboard_100345230_l.jpg

[EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread brucedp5 via EV
* Keep discussions EV related * Sieving through all the newswires on plugins, one can foresee see some coming trends, along with mis-information still being spend by automakers. With the slightly less pump price$ ($4gal), the public has relaxed its buying habits. One might make the mistake of