Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Li liked the Rimac EV so much, he's buying the company 0-100kph:2.8s

[David Nelson via EV]

Good for Mate Rimac! He has been working on this for a long time. I
watched his progress he used to post on DIY.
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Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price & how do they compare?

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

I don't know if your metric is the right one to use, but for the Tesla, I think 
that using the 85 kWh battery as a more robust solution is what I would use.

Using your method of calculation, it also compares favorably.

~356 ($94390/265)

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> On Jul 7, 2014, at 9:53 AM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:
> 
> With a little help from my friends, I am corrected: according to
> http://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/leaf/charging-range/range/
> "The Nissan LEAF® can get you 84 miles on a single charge. [*] Speed,
> topography, load, and accessory use can significantly affect the estimated
> range."
> 
> So, recalculating the list using 84 miles @ $3200 for the Leaf EV: 
> 
> Leaf: ~381 (=32000/84)
> 
> i3: ~511 (=43000/81)
> 
> Tesla-S: ~337 (=7/208)
> 
> The Tesla Model-S is still the overall better deal using my funny-numbers
> above, and the Leaf is still the better lower-purchase-cost deal.
> 
> I hope everyone realizes that range figures are a moving target (everyone's
> range will vary). The  mynissanleaf.com  forum had a chart that showed some
> speed to range ratios that some might find interesting:
> http://www.smidgeindustriesltd.com/leafrangewithtesla.gif
> 
> But I stuck with using the EPA numbers for each EV, not because I believe
> the EPA range is fact, but to compare apples with apples.
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014, at 09:21 AM, Jamie K via EV wrote:
>> Note that the LEAF is currently rated at 84 mile EPA range, not 75. 
>> Taking that into account, and if you look at the actual price people are 
>> likely to pay post tax incentives, the LEAF currently has the lowest 
>> cost per range mile of those three EVs.
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Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price & how do they compare?

[Jamie K via EV]

On 7/7/14 6:47 PM, Ben Apollonio via EV wrote:

I know it's not a 'true' EV, but definitely don't forget the noble
Chevy Volt.  At just $34k before tax credit, it provides decent EV
range (unlike the other PIH), decent performance, a coddled battery
that will last forever, actual back seat and trunk space (unlike the
puny Leaf), and versatility that only the Tesla can rival (at 3x the
price).  I think its the perfect car for someone who wants to go EV,
needs more than the 70 miles the automakers have settled on (or lives
in harsh climates), and can't/won't throw down a fortune for a
Tesla.


The Volt is worth considering for anyone who needs one car that can do 
some electric and some gas. It's not the best at either, but it does it 
all in one car.


To be accurate though, I don't think the Volt has any significant back 
seat or trunk advantage over the LEAF. I'd expect the Volt to have less 
space since it's classified as a compact whereas the LEAF is classified 
as a mid-sized vehicle. The LEAF can seat 5 people, vs. 4 in the Volt.


From one comparison:
(http://www.autotrader.com/research/article/car-reviews/224415/2014-nissan-leaf-vs-2014-chevrolet-volt-which-is-better.jsp)
"We're also not sold on the Volt's cargo capacity: Seats up or down, it 
only has about half the cargo volume of the Leaf."


For less money the LEAF also gives you at least double the EV range, 
double the 240 volt level two charging speed, and a 440 volt fast charge 
port that's not available on the Volt. Plus a simpler mechanical design 
with no complex gas engine or exhaust system to repair, ever. On the 
flip side, the Volt can burn gas for longer range needs. While it's not 
as efficient as a Prius for long trips, if you want it all in one car 
the Volt can do it.


So it just depends on what your driving needs are. There's no ultimate 
winner, just different options to fit different needs.


One of each might be a nice combination for two car families with a mix 
of driving needs.


Cheers,
 -Jamie



That said, if you have the money, the Tesla is definitely the
superior car for 99% of your driving needs.

-Ben

On Jul 7, 2014, at 5:41 AM, brucedp5 via EV 
wrote:




After seeing many misinformed newswires on that topic, that did not
state where EVs are available and at what price so the public can
compare, I thought I would put together this post.

I encourage comments and evdl members to post similarly of what EVs
are available and their prices in their location.

I searched for new non-compliance-car EVs in the SF Bay area. I
think it would be interesting to compare with other regions. My
local Mitsubishi dealership web pages did not list the iMiev so, I
left the iMiev out. Here is what I found:


$32k 2015 Nissan Leaf S Trim r:75mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:CHAdeMO
http://www.stevenscreeknissan.com/new-inventory/index.htm?year=2015&&&sortBy=internetPrice+asc&model=LEAF&;



Stevens Creek Nissan


http://www.nissansunnyvale.com/new-inventory/index.htm?model=LEAFyear=2015&;



Nissan Sunnyvale



$43k 2014 BMW i3 (EV-only) r:81mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:Combo css
http://www.stevenscreekbmw.com/new-inventory/index.htm?model=i3&sortBy=internetPrice%20asc&;



Stevens Creek BMW


http://westmont.laurelbmw.com/Westmont/For-Sale/New/?ModelId=2432&Model=i3



BMW of Fremont


http://www.peterpanbmw.com/inventory.aspx?_new=true&_model=i3&_sort=priceasc



Peter Pan BMW


http://www.eastbaybmw.com/inventory.aspx?_new=true&_makef=BMW&_model=i3



East Bay BMW



$70k Tesla Model S 60kWh r:208mi-EPA, Level-3
charging:Supercharger http://www.teslamotors.com/models/design


All these USD prices are before any rebates and will vary
(dealerships mark up the price wildly to get as much as they can).
These prices were the lowest ones I found on the above dealership
websites.

In the following 3 different EVs, they each have level-3 quick
charging and multiple driving modes. These Automakers seem to have
made much more of an EV commitment than all the others. I am using
a price to mileage ratio to roughly compare the EVs'
bang-for-the-buck (the lower the number, the better the deal):

Leaf: ~427 (=32000/75)

i3: ~511 (=43000/81)

Tesla-S: ~337 (=7/208)


The Tesla-S has the best overall deal, and the Leaf is the better
lower-purchase-cost deal.

But besides not being a better cost/range deal, there is another
problem with the i3. There is nil Combo css level-3 quick charging
in the Americas. Therefore the i3 only has a 6kW level-2 charging
capability in the Americas. For some, level-2 is all they need but
not having Level-3 quick charging that is a game-killer for many
buyers. They may hardly use it, but it it there if they want to use
it, and it adds to the EV's resale value.


I suppose we could do a similar comparison with the compliance-car
EVs, but why?

Besides being hard to get, harder to get support, they do not have
level-3 charging. Also those Automakers could pull a Toyota and
abandon their compliance-car EVs to go fcv just 

[EVDL] A cheap used Volt pih for Michael

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-Chevrolet-Volt-Raleigh-d2012_L25152
2012 Volt Base
Good Deal $841 BELOW
Instant Market Value of $16,629
Price: $15,788 $229/mo
Mileage: 86,250
Location: Sanford, NC

Also see
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-Chevrolet-Volt-Charlotte-d2012_L25416

{brucedp.150m.com}



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> I have seen 2 Volt [pih] in my life, one yesterday.  I must say it is a
> pretty
> nice looking car. At $34K it costs about double what I am willing to put
> into a car.  Cars don't deserve that much IMO.  But there you have it, I
> am
> a cheapskate.  Waiting for used.
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Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price & how do they compare?

[Michael Ross via EV]

or the same dismemberment of the
> > CARB mandate that happened under GW's reign).
> >
> > The newswires talk of more production EVs coming next year, but I say why
> > wait? If you know what your EV driving needs are, and one of the above
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Re: [EVDL] Sources for Miles EV Parts?

[Cruisin via EV]

I have a lot of new and used parts for the Miles cars and trucks. email me at
crui...@live.com with a specific list of what you need and I will provide
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Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price & how do they compare?

[Ben Apollonio via EV]

I know it's not a 'true' EV, but definitely don't forget the noble Chevy Volt.  
At just $34k before tax credit, it provides decent EV range (unlike the other 
PIH), decent performance, a coddled battery that will last forever, actual back 
seat and trunk space (unlike the puny Leaf), and versatility that only the 
Tesla can rival (at 3x the price).  I think its the perfect car for someone who 
wants to go EV, needs more than the 70 miles the automakers have settled on (or 
lives in harsh climates), and can't/won't throw down a fortune for a Tesla.

That said, if you have the money, the Tesla is definitely the superior car for 
99% of your driving needs.

-Ben

On Jul 7, 2014, at 5:41 AM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:

> 
> 
> After seeing many misinformed newswires on that topic, that did not state
> where EVs are available and at what price so the public can compare, I
> thought I would put together this post.
> 
> I encourage comments and evdl members to post similarly of what EVs are
> available and their prices in their location.
> 
> I searched for new non-compliance-car EVs in the SF Bay area. I think it
> would be interesting to compare with other regions. My local Mitsubishi
> dealership web pages did not list the iMiev so, I left the iMiev out. Here
> is what I found:
> 
> 
> $32k 2015 Nissan Leaf S Trim r:75mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:CHAdeMO
> http://www.stevenscreeknissan.com/new-inventory/index.htm?year=2015&&&sortBy=internetPrice+asc&model=LEAF&;
> Stevens Creek Nissan
> 
> http://www.nissansunnyvale.com/new-inventory/index.htm?model=LEAFyear=2015&;
> Nissan Sunnyvale
> 
> 
> $43k 2014 BMW i3 (EV-only) r:81mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:Combo css
> http://www.stevenscreekbmw.com/new-inventory/index.htm?model=i3&sortBy=internetPrice%20asc&;
> Stevens Creek BMW
> 
> http://westmont.laurelbmw.com/Westmont/For-Sale/New/?ModelId=2432&Model=i3
> BMW of Fremont
> 
> http://www.peterpanbmw.com/inventory.aspx?_new=true&_model=i3&_sort=priceasc
> Peter Pan BMW
> 
> http://www.eastbaybmw.com/inventory.aspx?_new=true&_makef=BMW&_model=i3
> East Bay BMW
> 
> 
> $70k Tesla Model S 60kWh r:208mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:Supercharger
> http://www.teslamotors.com/models/design
> 
> 
> All these USD prices are before any rebates and will vary (dealerships mark
> up the price wildly to get as much as they can). These prices were the
> lowest ones I found on the above dealership websites. 
> 
> In the following 3 different EVs, they each have level-3 quick charging and
> multiple driving modes. These Automakers seem to have made much more of an
> EV commitment than all the others. I am using a price to mileage ratio to
> roughly compare the EVs' bang-for-the-buck (the lower the number, the better
> the deal):
> 
> Leaf: ~427 (=32000/75)
> 
> i3: ~511 (=43000/81)
> 
> Tesla-S: ~337 (=7/208)
> 
> 
> The Tesla-S has the best overall deal, and the Leaf is the better
> lower-purchase-cost deal.
> 
> But besides not being a better cost/range deal, there is another problem
> with the i3. There is nil Combo css level-3 quick charging in the Americas.
> Therefore the i3 only has a 6kW level-2 charging capability in the Americas.
> For some, level-2 is all they need but not having Level-3 quick charging
> that is a game-killer for many buyers. They may hardly use it, but it it
> there if they want to use it, and it adds to the EV's resale value.
> 
> 
> I suppose we could do a similar comparison with the compliance-car EVs, but
> why? 
> 
> Besides being hard to get, harder to get support, they do not have level-3
> charging. Also those Automakers could pull a Toyota and abandon their
> compliance-car EVs to go fcv just to garner more ice-selling credits. And we
> know Automakers and Oil companies are vying for a change when it is time for
> the next U.S. Presidential vote (hoping for the same dismemberment of the
> CARB mandate that happened under GW's reign).
> 
> The newswires talk of more production EVs coming next year, but I say why
> wait? If you know what your EV driving needs are, and one of the above fit
> them, go for it. 
> 
> 
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Re: [EVDL] Sources for Miles EV Parts?

[brucedp5 via EV]

I'll assume you have already tried using the contact info on their web site
http://www.milesev.com/
To Order Parts:
Login to EPC to order online
OR
Email: parts @milesev.com
For Service & Technical Support:
Click on Service for a list of service providers
OR
Call   (800) 377 - 8979
For General Information:
Email: info @milesev.com
(818) 879 - 1721


http://www.milesev.com/services.html
Provider Direct Contact Address Phone Email Areas Served

J. C. Electric Service Corp. Jim Greene 2 Tinker Lane E. Setaucket, NY 11733
631-786-6229 jigreene @optonline.net NY, NJ, PA, New England

Allan Vigil Ford 6790 Mt Zion Blvd Morrow, GA 30260 678-364-3328 GA

Bleeker Auto Group Jason or Danny 5207 Raeford Rd Fayetteveille, NC 28304
910-843-2141 jrister @nc.rr.com NC

Carolina Industrial Equipment Steve Gnewuch 4315 Taggart Creek Rd.
Charlotte, NC 28208 704-502-6694 NC, SC, TN, VA, GA

UGA Automotive Center David Coyle 205 River Bend Rd Athens, GA 30602
706-540-0594 dcoyle @uga.edu GA

Rich Cregar 180 Korat Lane Creighton, NC 304-276-2417 rccregar @wilsoncc.edu
NC

Gerald Fritz 305-393-3091 gdfritz @aol.com FL - South

Henry's Auto Repair Henry 5750 Highway 90, Unit 2 Conway, SC 29526
843-458-1403 SC

Redon's Garage  Wilma Stevens 5764 Commerce Lane S Miami, FL 33143
305-284-0215 wilmarb2002 @yahoo.com FL - Miami Area

Dyno Dave Dave 419-875-6807 dynodave @dynodave.com OH - North, MI - South

Golf Cars of Iowa Dave Henry 5181 Maple Dr. Pleasant Hill, IA 50327
515-526-4653 golfcarsofiowa @hotmail.comIA

North Central Zenn Vic Stanley 419-606-3140 OH, IA

The Foriegn Service Stew 1746 Terrace Dr. Roseville, MN 55113 651-635-0395
www.theforeignservicemn.com MN - Tri Cities

EV Autos Texas  Ken See 208 S Haskell Ave Dallas, TX 75226 214-707-0078 ksee
@evautotexas.com TX, OK

Mark Kline 800-377-8979 mkline @milesev.com Western US

FMI Truck Sales and Service Sean Wright 8351 NE Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd
Portland, OR 97211 800-927-8750 seanw @fmitrucks.com OR

Mac & Mac Electric Eddie Pankow 1410 Iowa St Bellingham, WA 98229
360-734-6530 info @macandmac.com WA

Mobile-E Conley Olson 4050 S Howick St Salt Lake City, UT 84107 801-205-5440
conleyolsen @mobile-e-slc.com UT

Solar Wind of Alaska Gerry Herbrandson 720 Sandy Beach Rd PO Box1374
Petersburg, AK 99833 907-518-1237 solarwind @aptalaska.net AK

Electric Vehicle Technologies Sterling Higashi 99-1374 Koaha Pl Honolulu, HI
96801 sterling @evtechhawaii.com HI



According to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Electric_Vehicles
"Miles Electric Vehicles was a manufacturer and distributor of all-electric
vehicles manufactured by FAW Tianjin in China ..."

A search gave
http://tractors.wikia.com/wiki/FAW_Tianjin
" ... FAW Tianjin also produces the Miles ZX40, an electric version of the
Daihatsu Move which became the first Chinese-built vehicle sold in the
United States when it was offered in mid-2006 by Miles Automotive Group."

It is possible they may have manufactured or sourced other Miles parts:
http://en.tjfaw.com.cn/AboutUs/contact
Sales E-mail: tjfaw_overseas @163.com
Services E-mail: tjfaw_service @163.com


Lastly, a search
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=miles+electric+forum
gave possible discussion forum areas to explore.


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On Mon, Jul 7, 2014, at 03:28 PM, lektwik via EV wrote: ...
> Miles cars is now out of business and the only source of new parts has
> gone away.
> 
> Possibly someone on this list knows of cross-reference info. Particularly
> for brake parts.
> 
> Info I can find says they are a Chinese copy of the Daihatsu "Move", a
> low-speed vehicle never imported into the US. Rumor has it that some
> brake parts interchange with Honda, yet no one has a year, make, or model
> for
> that.
> 
> Rear wheel cylinders appear to be made of unobtaineum. I work on these
> cars for folks and these are most needed. Every rear wheel cylinder I come
> across is a non-rebuildable frozen solid rust bucket.
> 
> I went to the professional brake supply place and they went through all
> their books looking at pictures and came up with nothing. I even brought
> the shoes and other parts hoping to cross-reference. No Luck.
> 
> I can get them re-sleeved with stainless steel at about $65 a pop.
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[EVDL] Miles EV Parts Available?

[lektwik via EV]

Hi Folks

Miles cars is now out of business and the only source of new parts has gone
away.

Possibly someone on this list knows of cross-reference info. Particularly
for brake parts.

Info I can find says they are a Chinese copy of the Daihatsu "Move", a
low-speed vehicle never imported into the US. Rumor has it that some brake
parts interchange with Honda, yet no one has a year, make, or model for
that.

Rear wheel cylinders appear to be made of unobtaineum. I work on these cars
for folks and these are most needed. Every rear wheel cylinder I come
across is a non-rebuildable frozen solid rust bucket.

I went to the professional brake supply place and they went through all
their books looking at pictures and came up with nothing. I even brought
the shoes and other parts hoping to cross-reference. No Luck.

I can get them re-sleeved with stainless steel at about $65 a pop.

Any clues would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price & how do they compare?

[Jamie K via EV]

Good points, and no arguments here on using EPA range for the sake of 
camparison even though YMMV.


However the actual consumer cost of each EV is post tax incentive, 
which, to make an accurate comparison, cannot be ignored. Purchase cost 
per mile range is a useful metric for comparison when actual post 
incentive pricing is taken into account.


Subtract just the USA Federal tax incentive from the price of each and 
the LEAF beats the Tesla in the formula below. Subtract Fed, state and 
local tax incentives, depending on location, and the LEAF lead widens.


This is simply because the tax incentives are a bigger percentage of the 
purchase price for the LEAF than the Tesla.


It will be interesting to see how the expected longer range LEAF and 
lower priced Tesla line up in a few years.


Cheers,
 -Jamie


On 7/7/14 10:53 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

With a little help from my friends, I am corrected: according to
http://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/leaf/charging-range/range/
"The Nissan LEAF® can get you 84 miles on a single charge. [*] Speed,
topography, load, and accessory use can significantly affect the estimated
range."

So, recalculating the list using 84 miles @ $3200 for the Leaf EV:

Leaf: ~381 (=32000/84)

i3: ~511 (=43000/81)

Tesla-S: ~337 (=7/208)

The Tesla Model-S is still the overall better deal using my funny-numbers
above, and the Leaf is still the better lower-purchase-cost deal.

I hope everyone realizes that range figures are a moving target (everyone's
range will vary). The  mynissanleaf.com  forum had a chart that showed some
speed to range ratios that some might find interesting:
http://www.smidgeindustriesltd.com/leafrangewithtesla.gif

But I stuck with using the EPA numbers for each EV, not because I believe
the EPA range is fact, but to compare apples with apples.


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On Mon, Jul 7, 2014, at 09:21 AM, Jamie K via EV wrote:

Note that the LEAF is currently rated at 84 mile EPA range, not 75.
Taking that into account, and if you look at the actual price people are
likely to pay post tax incentives, the LEAF currently has the lowest
cost per range mile of those three EVs.

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Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price & how do they compare?

[brucedp5 via EV]

With a little help from my friends, I am corrected: according to
http://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/leaf/charging-range/range/
"The Nissan LEAF® can get you 84 miles on a single charge. [*] Speed,
topography, load, and accessory use can significantly affect the estimated
range."

So, recalculating the list using 84 miles @ $3200 for the Leaf EV: 

Leaf: ~381 (=32000/84)

i3: ~511 (=43000/81)

Tesla-S: ~337 (=7/208)

The Tesla Model-S is still the overall better deal using my funny-numbers
above, and the Leaf is still the better lower-purchase-cost deal.

I hope everyone realizes that range figures are a moving target (everyone's
range will vary). The  mynissanleaf.com  forum had a chart that showed some
speed to range ratios that some might find interesting:
http://www.smidgeindustriesltd.com/leafrangewithtesla.gif

But I stuck with using the EPA numbers for each EV, not because I believe
the EPA range is fact, but to compare apples with apples.


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> Note that the LEAF is currently rated at 84 mile EPA range, not 75. 
> Taking that into account, and if you look at the actual price people are 
> likely to pay post tax incentives, the LEAF currently has the lowest 
> cost per range mile of those three EVs.
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[EVDL] EVLN: Palmdale Tesla Crash driver OK, ice>3killed+2injured (video)

[brucedp5 via EV]

The Media's Tesla Fear Mongering For Headlines Must Stop

% 2nd holiday Tesla crash, Palmdale is north of LA, this time it was the ice
that split in two and caught fire %

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Family-Members-Dead-After-Tesla-Honda-Crash-in-Palmdale-265890521.html
One Adult, Two Children Dead After Crash in Palmdale
Two others were pulled from the wreckage by good Samaritans
By Samia Khan and Oleevia Woo  Jul 6, 2014 

[video  flash
Two others were pulled from the wreckage by good Samaritans - By Samia Khan
and Oleevia Woo - One adult and two children were killed in a fiery car
crash in Palmdale Friday night. A Toyota Corolla burst into flames when a
Tesla collided into it. Two people were saved from the Corolla and the
driver of the Tesla suffered minor injuries. Reggie Kumar reports live from
Palmdale for Today in LA on Saturday, July 5, 2014.
]

Three people were killed and two others were badly injured when a 2013 Tesla
collided with a 2004 Toyota Corolla in Palmdale Friday night.

The crash occurred around 10:30 p.m. on the southbound lanes of the 14
Freeway near Avenue S when the Tesla rear-ended the Toyota. When the
California Highway Patrol arrived on scene, the Toyota was on fire.

Three people in the Toyota, believed to be family members, were entrapped
and pronounced dead on arrival. Two others, believed to be an adult and a
child, were extricated and taken to nearby hospitals.

A 40-year-old male driver, a 13-year-old boy and an 8-year-old boy in the
back seat were killed. All three were residents of Los Angeles. Tyree Lavon
Nash, a 31-year-old resident of Lancaster, was transported to Antelope
Valley Hospital with major injuries. A 6-year-old was taken to Children's
Hospital L.A. in critical condition. 

All passengers in the Toyota were wearing seatbelts.

Multiple innocent bystanders assisted with removing the survivors from the
burning vehicle, CHP Officer Jordan Richards said.

The driver of the Tesla, identified as 58-year-old Ric Garrison of Newhall,
suffered minor injuries.

There is no immediate indication that drugs or alcohol played a factor. It
is unclear whether charges will be pressed against Garrison.

All southbound lanes of the 14 Freeway were shut down around 10:45 p.m.
Friday. They reopened around 4 a.m. Saturday morning.

The crash comes almost 24 hours after a person stole a Tesla from a store
and collided with multiple cars and caused a fiery scene in West Hollywood
early Friday morning. The driver was left in critical condition, two
officers were hospitalized and three others were also injured. 
[© 2014 NBCUniversal Media]
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Palmdale crash: 2 children, 1 adult killed after car bursts into flames
July 05, 2014
...
http://ktla.com/2014/07/05/3-dead-child-airlifted-after-palmdale-crash-highway-14-in-both-directions/
2 Children, 1 Adult Killed in Fiery Palmdale Crash; 2 Others Hospitalized
July 5, 2014



[* 1st holiday T-crash in LA, CA]
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Jul. 7, 2014
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http://www.nbclosangeles.com/video/#!/on-air/as-seen-on/Half-of-Tesla-Wedged-in-Synagogue/265842121
Half of Tesla Wedged in Synagogue - The other half of the vehicle, stolen
from a Tesla store, was on fire in the street after the pursuit crash in
West Hollywood ...
Jul 4, 2014
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Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price & how do they compare?

[Jamie K via EV]

Note that the LEAF is currently rated at 84 mile EPA range, not 75. 
Taking that into account, and if you look at the actual price people are 
likely to pay post tax incentives, the LEAF currently has the lowest 
cost per range mile of those three EVs.


Cheers,
 -Jamie


> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 5:41 AM, brucedp5 via EV  
wrote:

>

>> Leaf: ~427 (=32000/75)
>>
>> i3: ~511 (=43000/81)
>>
>> Tesla-S: ~337 (=7/208)
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[EVDL] Gas Rewards - No!, EV's yes!

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

Hearing the Grocery Store ads for their “Gas Rewards” programs just hit me
this weekend as being a perfect example of how WRONG-HEADED we are.



If you feel similarly offended by “gas reward programs” that encourage just
more burning of fossil fuel, you might want to WRITE to them and register
your OPPOSITION to such fossil-fuel-rewards programs plus a recommendation
that we would all be better off if they instead rewarded zero emission
vehicles.  A few simple $500 L2 charge cords in their parking lots would go
a long way towards showing the way towards our environmental future.



Since grocery stores are less than an hour stops, the vehicle turnover rate
is high, and with 3 kW charge cords, their cost is less than 50 cents per
customer.  A BARGAIN in the world of customer attraction.  No need for
expensive internet linked metering of the cords which increases the price
by an order of magnitude…



Wrte your letters today! (or go to their CONTACT-US web pages)…



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Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price & how do they compare?

[Peri Hartman via EV]

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Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price & how do they compare?

[Michael Ross via EV]

pile of junk.
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Re: [EVDL] Man power EV (lesson learned)

[Michael Ross via EV]

ism?
>
>
> You'd be surprised.  Any crank mechanism is rather limited in efficiency.
>  At the top and bottom of the stroke it doesn't matter how hard you push -
> all the force goes into compressing/stretching the crank components
> (minimally) and none goes into moving the vehicle.  You only get full
> efficiency at 90°.  (What's the area under a sine curve, 60-some percent
> of a constant function?  That's about the best you can hope for with
> linear input force.)  Yes, a cyclist can apply rotary forces to the crank,
> and experienced cyclists do, but the human body just isn't
> kinesthesiologically configured to do this well.  The leverage is all
> wrong.
>
> A rower gets much better efficiency in terms of the mechanism that puts
> power into motion, but that has its limitations too.  (For example, it's
> one-way only.)  Years ago I did preliminary development on an HPV to
> compete for the duPont prize (http://www.ihpva.org/land.htm) that ditched
> the traditional crank mechanism, and should be better than a rower.  But
> then I detoured and went to college instead.  That concept might make a
> killer recumbent bike.  I've always wanted to follow through on that.
>  Maybe in retirement
>
> Chris
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[EVDL] Webinar - What Has Happened To The Electric Vehicle Market? July 15th

[Len Moskowitz via EV]

http://electronics360.globalspec.com/calendar
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Re: [EVDL] Man power EV (lesson learned)

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

Speaking of maneuverability.  Here is my $1000 lesson learned:

I bought a recumbent trike with the idea of riding the ideal commute 12
mile rail-to-trail to and from work.  NOT.

The thing is comfortable, smooth, powerful easy to ride.  The ideal
commuting machine But I only did it once.

Reason is, the vulnerability and lack of maneuverability of sitting with
my but 12" off the ground, my head no higher than the top of the adjacent
behemoth car wheels, and a turning radius no better than my prius.  That
plus the inability of escape during impending crashes, to jump-off,
jump-clear, or roll-over-the-hood.  The lack of visibility (eye level at
48" or so, and so on and so on.

The 1 mile getting to the trail on normal neighborhood roads was
terrifying.  The same route on a normal bike I do all the time and never
thought twice.  But doing it without any maneuverability, while being
trapped, with no physical escape actions, and 3 feet wide and very low
visibility was not something I'd do routinely.

So, now I ride it once a year in parades.  Oh, and anothr thing.  With 3
wheels (none-in-line) you hit every single bump and pot hole GUARANTEED!

Conclusion.   Nothing like a normal bike experience.

Oh, and yes, it does have an electric boost motor, hence, on-topic.

Bob, WB4APR

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Cor van de Water
via EV
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:51 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Man power EV

This vehicle is an interesting way to transport up to 4 people in a
slightly awkward (2 backwards facing) way, if it is legal in your
jurisdiction. Also - do not expect to go 60 MPH for long, not just because
you can't create the power to sustain that speed, but also because you are
sitting in not much more than a go-kart: no protectoin from wind and at 60
MPH you would be surprised how uncomfortable that gets real quick.
Another thing is that this is an ultra-light vehicle with moped wheels, so
I am concerned about the safety of doing 60 on those tires.
My e-Bike has pretty sturdy 1.95" tires on a solid rim and a *very* ridgid
frame, but when I did a fast decent and approached about 40-45 MPH, I was
not comfortable going any faster. Since that was also the posted max
speed, no cars needed to go any faster or indeed dared to pass me on the
way down.
This car, where you are essentially sitting in a skiff on wheels with no
protection, is comparable to a bicycle on 4 wheels (which is probably how
it will be seen legally and if necessary, registered as such) The winnd
resistance alone will likely be comparable to a bicycle for each
passenger, so even if there are 4 in the car, the sustained speed will
likely be bicycling speed (around 15 MPH if you are doing well) and only
using the battery for hill climbing and acceleration.
Interesting idea but since there is the same weather protection as on a
bicycle (none), why not simply ride an e-Bike?

Cor van de Water
Chief Scientist
Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
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EV
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 7:46 AM
To: Peri Hartman; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Man power EV

On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Peri Hartman via EV 
wrote:

> Really, as creative as it is, can it be more effective than a bicycle
> mechanism?


You'd be surprised.  Any crank mechanism is rather limited in efficiency.
 At the top and bottom of the stroke it doesn't matter how hard you push -
all the force goes into compressing/stretching the crank components
(minimally) and none goes into moving the vehicle.  You only get full
efficiency at 90°.  (What's the area under a sine curve, 60-some percent
of a constant function?  That's about the best you can hope for with
linear input force.)  Yes, a cyclist can apply rotary forces to the crank,
and experienced cyclists do, but the human body just isn't
kinesthesiologically configured to do this well.  The leverage is all
wrong.

A rower gets much better efficiency in terms of the mechanism that puts
power into motion, but that has its limitations too.  (For example, it's
one-way only.)  Years ago I did preliminary development on an HPV to
compete for the duPont prize (http://www.ihpva.org/land.htm) that ditched
the traditional crank mechanism, and should be better than a rower.  But
then I detoured and went to college instead.  That concept might make a
killer recumbent bike.  I've always wanted to follow through on that.
 Maybe in retirement

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Re: [EVDL] Vibration

[Roland via EV]

Hello Dennis, 

To balance a assembly, it is best to have each unit balance separately and then 
again as a assembly.  Some electric motor shops can do balancing for engines 
assemblies and electric motors. 

About every 10 years,  I pull my motor for maintenance and install another 
motor and transmission that went into maintenance 10 years ago.  I got it down 
to where I can do this exchange in two hours. 

The electric motor shop I go to, first balances the motor rotor after its been 
recondition, assembles armature in the motor, installs the taper lock coupler 
and then balance again those two units together.  Sometimes  the taper lock 
bushing may have to be rotated in the taper lock housing to reduce the 
vibration.  When they fine the best position of the bushing, then they punch 
mark it, so the user assembles assembles the components in the correct 
position.  

Then they balance the flywheel separately, install the flywheel on the coupler 
and test run the balance again.  And again they may have to rotate the flywheel 
on the motor coupler to get the best balance point.  It is also punch mark so 
the user installs it in the correct position. 

This balance method is done for all rotating components.  It may that the 
flywheel you have is design to balance the engine that it was on.  This type of 
flywheel is call a external balance flywheel.  A internal balance flywheel is 
design for a balance engine or its best for a balance electric motor.

Purchasing balance flywheel assembly, which includes the flywheel and pressure 
plate, are normally mark with a indicator so user bolts these two unit together 
in the correct position.  It is also importance that the motor coupler has a 
pin hole install by the coupler manufacture.  A crankshaft flange has this pin 
hole, so the flywheel pin press fits into the pin hole.  

Use only flywheel shoulder mounting bolts. Standard bolts allow the bolt 
threads to touch and wear the flywheel holes.  Using standard bolts could allow 
up to 0.003 inch clearance,  it is best to not to go over 0.001 inch in 
clearance. 

You will also notice, than when a flywheel is assembly on a engine crank, there 
is a raise center where the flywheel pressure fits over this center raise.  I 
had the manufacture that made my taper lock coupling, machine this pressure fit 
center raise and also install a pin hole so the flywheel pin will also press 
fit into this hole. 

You may get by with the standard installation, with no center raise and pin up 
to 5000 rpm for awhile.  I had my assembly balance for 1 rpm for a increase 
safety factor. 

Roland 




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  Subject: Re: [EVDL] Vibration


  Wanted to give everyone an update on the vibration problem.
  Took it to a local mechanic and put it on a lift.
  He raised the rear end and had me rev the motor while he was underneath. I 
tried 3rd and 4th gears and both were the same.
  Vibration became very noticeable at ~ 1500 rpm.  When I drive it I don’t 
really notice it until ~ 3000 rpm.
  Looks like the problem is somewhere in my motor assembly. Motor, flywheel, 
pressure plate, coupler, ?.
  I suspect it needs to be balanced. I’ll pull it this winter for a full 
inspection, and then try to find someone that can balance it.


  Thanks for all the responses;
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Re: [EVDL] Vibration

[Pestka, Dennis J via EV]

Wanted to give everyone an update on the vibration problem.
Took it to a local mechanic and put it on a lift.
He raised the rear end and had me rev the motor while he was underneath. I 
tried 3rd and 4th gears and both were the same.
Vibration became very noticeable at ~ 1500 rpm.  When I drive it I don’t really 
notice it until ~ 3000 rpm.
Looks like the problem is somewhere in my motor assembly. Motor, flywheel, 
pressure plate, coupler, ?.
I suspect it needs to be balanced. I’ll pull it this winter for a full 
inspection, and then try to find someone that can balance it.


Thanks for all the responses;
Dennis
Elsberry, MO
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: AAA sez hot weather reduces EV range by a 33%

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rs to keep warm.
>
> USA TODAY was unable to reach the carmakers for comment.
> [(c) usatoday.com]
> ...
>
> http://www.theridgefieldpress.com/32499/summer-heat-takes-toll-on-electric-vehicle-mileage/
> Summer heat takes toll on electric vehicle mileage
> By Fran Mayko, AAA  July 6, 2014
>
> Drivers of gas-powered vehicles may experience variations in miles per
> gallon, but a gas station is likely within easy reach. The recharging
> network for electric vehicles is less developed, making it critical for EV
> drivers to understand the impact of extreme temperatures on driving range.
>
> "Electric vehicles are growing in popularity because motorists enjoy the
> reduced fuel costs," said John Paul, AAA Southern New England's traffic
> safety manager. "However, EV drivers need to carefully monitor driving
> range
> in hot weather to be better prepared to alter plans if an additional charge
> is needed."
>
> Electric vehicles are environmentally-friendly and have the added benefit
> of
> reducing dependence on imported oil because they use domestically produced
> energy. Recent evaluations by AAA, however, found that electric vehicle
> range can be reduced by an average of 33% when temperatures rise to 95
> degrees.
>
> The study tested EVs on a dynamometer using the Environmental Protection
> Agency's City Driving cycle which simulates stop-and-go traffic, consistent
> with EPA ratings listed on the window sticker. The average EV battery range
> in AAA's test was 105 miles at 75 degrees, but dropped to 69 miles per full
> charge at 95 degrees. The AAA research was conducted with the Auto Club of
> Southern California's Automotive Research Center.
>
> "Proper tire pressure can benefit EV mileage just as it does for gas
> vehicles," said Paul. "Motorists also can keep their EV in the garage or
> the
> shade to reduce the internal temperature, and cool the interior while the
> vehicle is plugged in to reduce the drain on the battery." ...
> [(c) Hersam Acorn]
>
>
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> http://www.loughboroughecho.net/lifestyle/motoring/kia-soul-ev-in-uk-7310152
> Kia Soul EV volume production will hit UK streets before 2015
> 6/26/2014
>
> http://evobsession.com/nissan-wants-expand-carwings-services/
> Nissan Expanding/Updating Carwings Services
> June 26th, 2014
>
>
> http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/rally-by-electric-car-owners/article6158388.ece
> Bangalore EV'rs stream by on 'drive for a better tomorrow' 5km rally
>
>
> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1093001_nissans-dc-quick-charging-stations-630-chademo-sites-live-today
> 630 L3/T3 CHAdeMO DC Quick-Charging Stations Are Live Today
> Jun 29, 2014
> +
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: AAA sez hot weather reduces EV range by a 33%

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On 07/07/2014 03:53 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:


http://foxct.com/2014/07/03/july-4th-travel-tips/
July 4th Travel Tips
by Samantha Schoenfeld  [2014/07/03]

If you are taking a road trip this holiday weekend make sure to plan ahead
...


Temperature can greatly impact how far cars—especially electric ones—can
travel. AAA research shows that an electric car that can drive 105 miles in
75 degree weather can only drive 69 miles in 95 degree—a 33 percent
reduction. To protect your car ensure proper tire pressure, keep your car in


MORE anit-EV FUD?  I've never seen anything like that reduction.
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[EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price & how do they compare?

[brucedp5 via EV]

After seeing many misinformed newswires on that topic, that did not state
where EVs are available and at what price so the public can compare, I
thought I would put together this post.

I encourage comments and evdl members to post similarly of what EVs are
available and their prices in their location.

I searched for new non-compliance-car EVs in the SF Bay area. I think it
would be interesting to compare with other regions. My local Mitsubishi
dealership web pages did not list the iMiev so, I left the iMiev out. Here
is what I found:


$32k 2015 Nissan Leaf S Trim r:75mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:CHAdeMO
http://www.stevenscreeknissan.com/new-inventory/index.htm?year=2015&&&sortBy=internetPrice+asc&model=LEAF&;
Stevens Creek Nissan

http://www.nissansunnyvale.com/new-inventory/index.htm?model=LEAFyear=2015&;
Nissan Sunnyvale


$43k 2014 BMW i3 (EV-only) r:81mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:Combo css
http://www.stevenscreekbmw.com/new-inventory/index.htm?model=i3&sortBy=internetPrice%20asc&;
Stevens Creek BMW

http://westmont.laurelbmw.com/Westmont/For-Sale/New/?ModelId=2432&Model=i3
BMW of Fremont

http://www.peterpanbmw.com/inventory.aspx?_new=true&_model=i3&_sort=priceasc
Peter Pan BMW

http://www.eastbaybmw.com/inventory.aspx?_new=true&_makef=BMW&_model=i3
East Bay BMW


$70k Tesla Model S 60kWh r:208mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:Supercharger
http://www.teslamotors.com/models/design


All these USD prices are before any rebates and will vary (dealerships mark
up the price wildly to get as much as they can). These prices were the
lowest ones I found on the above dealership websites. 

In the following 3 different EVs, they each have level-3 quick charging and
multiple driving modes. These Automakers seem to have made much more of an
EV commitment than all the others. I am using a price to mileage ratio to
roughly compare the EVs' bang-for-the-buck (the lower the number, the better
the deal):

Leaf: ~427 (=32000/75)

i3: ~511 (=43000/81)

Tesla-S: ~337 (=7/208)


The Tesla-S has the best overall deal, and the Leaf is the better
lower-purchase-cost deal.

But besides not being a better cost/range deal, there is another problem
with the i3. There is nil Combo css level-3 quick charging in the Americas.
Therefore the i3 only has a 6kW level-2 charging capability in the Americas.
For some, level-2 is all they need but not having Level-3 quick charging
that is a game-killer for many buyers. They may hardly use it, but it it
there if they want to use it, and it adds to the EV's resale value.


I suppose we could do a similar comparison with the compliance-car EVs, but
why? 

Besides being hard to get, harder to get support, they do not have level-3
charging. Also those Automakers could pull a Toyota and abandon their
compliance-car EVs to go fcv just to garner more ice-selling credits. And we
know Automakers and Oil companies are vying for a change when it is time for
the next U.S. Presidential vote (hoping for the same dismemberment of the
CARB mandate that happened under GW's reign).

The newswires talk of more production EVs coming next year, but I say why
wait? If you know what your EV driving needs are, and one of the above fit
them, go for it. 


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[EVDL] EVLN: Li liked the Rimac EV so much, he's buying the company 0-100kph:2.8s

[brucedp5 via EV]

% Partner China-Dynamics in Beijing would produce Rimac EVs %

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?we_cat=21&art_id=147015&sid=42563991&con_type=1&d_str=20140704&fc=7
Dream drives closer for Richard Li
July 04, 2014

[image]
Every man has his dream car. Richard Li Tzar-kai, pictured, is no exception
- but that no longer satisfies him.

The second son of "superman" Li Ka- shing is said to be partnering electric
vehicle maker China Dynamics to acquire Croatia-based Rimac Automobili.

Li has spent US$1 million (HK$7.8 million) to order Rimac's electric sports
car Concept One, which is touted as the world's first electric super car
with the fastest acceleration - from 0 to 100 kilometers per hour in 2.8
seconds. Reports say Li has met Rimac chief executive Mate Rimac, who hopes
to find a strategic shareholder for his company. If the acquisition
succeeds, Li and China Dynamics can make use of the car manufacturing base
in Beijing to produce Rimac's cars.

China Dynamics bought shares of Rimac last year but chairman Cheung Ngan
would not comment.

Martin Lee Ka-shing, younger son of Henderson Land boss Lee Shau-kee, is
said to own the super car too.
[© thestandard.com.hk]
...
http://www.rimac-automobili.com/
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Li
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Kiam#Biography
" ... so much, I bought the company"




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http://www.loughboroughecho.net/lifestyle/motoring/kia-soul-ev-in-uk-7310152
Kia Soul EV volume production will hit UK streets before 2015
6/26/2014

http://evobsession.com/nissan-wants-expand-carwings-services/
Nissan Expanding/Updating Carwings Services
June 26th, 2014

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/rally-by-electric-car-owners/article6158388.ece
Bangalore EV'rs stream by on ‘drive for a better tomorrow’ 5km rally

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1093001_nissans-dc-quick-charging-stations-630-chademo-sites-live-today
630 L3/T3 CHAdeMO DC Quick-Charging Stations Are Live Today
Jun 29, 2014
+
EVLN: AAA sez hot weather reduces EV range by 33%


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[EVDL] EVLN: AAA sez hot weather reduces EV range by a 33%

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://foxct.com/2014/07/03/july-4th-travel-tips/
July 4th Travel Tips
by Samantha Schoenfeld  [2014/07/03]

If you are taking a road trip this holiday weekend make sure to plan ahead
...


Temperature can greatly impact how far cars—especially electric ones—can
travel. AAA research shows that an electric car that can drive 105 miles in
75 degree weather can only drive 69 miles in 95 degree—a 33 percent
reduction. To protect your car ensure proper tire pressure, keep your car in
a garage or in the shade, and cool the interior while the vehicle is plugged
in to reduce the drain on the battery.


Here is a map of electric vehicle charging stations throughout Connecticut
and the surrounding area to plan your route accordingly:
https://data.ct.gov/Transportation/Map-of-Electric-Vehicle-Charging-Stations/d2yg-9hwe
 ...
[© foxct.com]
...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/03/20/cold-sharply-cuts-range-of-electric-vehicles/6622979/
AAA: Range of electric cars cut in cold, hot weather
Larry Copeland, USA TODAY  March 20, 2014

The range of electric vehiclescan be greatly reduced, by up to 57% ,
depending on the temperature outside, auto club AAA says.

The AAA Automotive Research Center in Southern California found that the
average range of an electric car dropped 57% in very cold weather – at 20
degrees Fahrenheit – and by 33% in extreme heat, a temperature of 95
degrees.

"We expected degradation in the range of vehicles in both cold and hot
climates, but we did not expect the degradation we saw," said Greg Brannon,
AAA's director of automotive engineering.

AAA conducted a simulation to measure the driving range of three
fully-electric vehicles – a 2013 Nissan Leaf, a 2012 Mitsubishi iMIEV and a
2014 Ford Focus Electric Vehicle – in cold, moderate and hot weather. It
tested the vehicles for city driving to mimic stop-and-go traffic between
December and January, fully charging each EV, and then "driving" each on a
dynamometer in a climate-controlled room until the battery was fully
exhausted.

Brannon said two of the vehicles, the Mitsubishi and the Ford, were equipped
with dedicated management of the battery temperature. "We were expecting
that difference would yield differences in the optimal range of the vehicles
in extreme temperatures," he said. "It did not."

The likely reason: There's only once source of power in an electric vehicle
– the battery. If battery power is being used to heat or cool the battery,
it takes power away from the vehicle's range, he said.

The average electric vehicle battery range for each full charge in AAA's
test was 105 miles at 75 degrees Fahrenheit. That dropped 57% to 43 miles
when the temperature was held steady at 20 degrees. Warm temperatures were
not as stressful but still delivered a lower average of 69 miles per full
charge at 95 degrees, AAA said.

The three vehicles chosen were selected because they're the most widely
available electric cars in the USA, Brannon said. "For most Americans, where
a round-trip commute is less than 40 miles, the range of the vehicle will
not be a problem," he said. "However, if the temperature dips down and you
want to take a drive to grandma's house, you might want to think about a
charging station along the way."

Among AAA's recommendations: storing the electric car in a garage;
monitoring recharge times in colder weather; preheating or cooling the car
while it's plugged in to reduce battery drain, and using electric seat
heaters to keep warm.

USA TODAY was unable to reach the carmakers for comment.
[© usatoday.com]
...
http://www.theridgefieldpress.com/32499/summer-heat-takes-toll-on-electric-vehicle-mileage/
Summer heat takes toll on electric vehicle mileage
By Fran Mayko, AAA  July 6, 2014

Drivers of gas-powered vehicles may experience variations in miles per
gallon, but a gas station is likely within easy reach. The recharging
network for electric vehicles is less developed, making it critical for EV
drivers to understand the impact of extreme temperatures on driving range.

“Electric vehicles are growing in popularity because motorists enjoy the
reduced fuel costs,” said John Paul, AAA Southern New England’s traffic
safety manager. “However, EV drivers need to carefully monitor driving range
in hot weather to be better prepared to alter plans if an additional charge
is needed.”

Electric vehicles are environmentally-friendly and have the added benefit of
reducing dependence on imported oil because they use domestically produced
energy. Recent evaluations by AAA, however, found that electric vehicle
range can be reduced by an average of 33% when temperatures rise to 95
degrees.

The study tested EVs on a dynamometer using the Environmental Protection
Agency’s City Driving cycle which simulates stop-and-go traffic, consistent
with EPA ratings listed on the window sticker. The average EV battery range
in AAA’s test was 105 miles at 75 degrees, but dropped to 69 miles per full
charge at 95 degrees. The AAA research was co